Re: RAW software
On Apr 3, 2009, at 20:11 , William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Joseph McAllister" Subject: Re: RAW software Oh. Sorry. That's "Shuffle off to Buffalo" Never Mind... I am totally clueless. William Robb A song from the 1933 Broadway play "42nd Street". Bert: Now that we have had the rice and flowers, The knot is tied; Annie: I can visu'lize such happy hours, Close by your side. The honeymoon in store Is one that you'll adore, I'm gonna take you for a ride. Annie, Bert, Maggie and Girls: I'll (You'll) go home and get my panties, You (I'll) go home and get your scanties, And away we'll go. Mm mm mm... Off we're gonna shuffle, Shuffle off to Buffalo. To Niag'ra in a sleeper, There's no honeymoon that's cheaper, And the train goes slow. Ooh ooh ooh! Off, we're gonna shuffle, Shuffle off to Buffalo. Someday, the stork may pay a visit And leave a little souvenir. Just a little cute "what is it," But we'll discuss that later, dear. For a little silver quarter, We can have the pull man porter Turn the lights down low. Ooh! Off we're gonna shuffle, Shuffle off to Buffalo. You'll go home and get your purses, I'll go get my niece and nurses, And away we'll go. Mm mm mm... Off we're gonna shuffle, Shuffle off to Buffalo. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2009 - 043, 044 - GDG
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on Fri, 03 Apr 2009 15:37:51 -0700 Some color ... http://homepage.mac.com/godders/043-connections.jpg "Connections" - Sunnyvale 2009 Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40mm f/1.4 ISO 200 @ f/2 @ 1/320 sec http://homepage.mac.com/godders/044-raw.jpg "Raw" - San Francisco 2009 Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40mm f/1.4 ISO 100 @ f/2 @ 1/800 sec The first image is an interesting concept but it doesn't ring my bell like the second one does. I LOVE the second image - the balance of the contrasting colors is just great, and the bicycle unifies the composition. A a prizewinner IMO - great work, Godfrey. Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PP question, sharp and unsharp.
On Apr 3, 2009, at 7:46 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: One thing that I haven't been able to find yet is a good description of the mechanism of sharpening, unsharp mask and what all the various knobs, dials and variables do. in general, your PP shouldn't be sharp. If it is, urine trouble. Do all threads eventually go down the toilet like this one? ;;) Seems to be that way. They get to a point where I just flush them. Sewer back to toilet humor? It's a bit potty, I agree. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
- Original Message - From: "Joseph McAllister" Subject: Re: RAW software Oh. Sorry. That's "Shuffle off to Buffalo" Never Mind... I am totally clueless. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso water the grass
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3409895891/ Now i just have to figure out what neighbour has my seed. Shame on you. You should remember things like that. Really! Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “If I could tell the story in words, I wouldn’t need to lug a camera.” –Lewis Hine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
Oh. Sorry. That's "Shuffle off to Buffalo" Never Mind... On Apr 3, 2009, at 17:18 , David Savage wrote: 2009/4/4 Tim Bray : Good lord, I go away for a week and PDML is sucked into a vortex of software religion, baby-burning, and (worst of all) erroneous statements about screwdrivers. So, someone will send me a canoe if I join in? I can get you a canoe, but if you want to navigate shit creek you'll need to supply your own paddle. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PP question, sharp and unsharp.
On 4/3/09, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > On Apr 3, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Nick Wright wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:49 PM, John Celio wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing that I haven't been able to find yet is a good description > > > > > of the mechanism of sharpening, unsharp mask and what all the > various > > > > > knobs, dials and variables do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > in general, your PP shouldn't be sharp. > > > > > > > > > > If it is, urine trouble. > > > > > Do all threads eventually go down the toilet like this one? ;;) > > > Seems to be that way. They get to a point where I just flush them. > Sewer back to toilet humor? -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Sentinels
- Original Message - From: "Dan Matyola" Subject: The Sentinels I found these two standing guard near the US Capitol on a foggy morning in March: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8778960 Clean yer sensor!! I like the shot, but I'd render it differently, I think. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Arg, one more LR ??
Oh Oh! Did you RTFM? On Apr 3, 2009, at 16:53 , David J Brooks wrote: About a week ago, i upgraded to LR 2.3. Mac laptop OS 10 All went well. However since doing so, when ever i import files via click and drag, LR opens funny. So don't do that again. I get the import window, and when i start typing in keywords, the spinning ball of hell start, That's known as the Beach Ball from Hell, thank you. the window shuts down, LR starts and then blam, black screen with a photo. Sounds like a full screen presentation has been selected. Find out what the key command for that is and reverse it. Today, one of the 10 pictures showed up, on a completly black screen. no LR window etc. Clicking on the screen in various places near the out side edges got me the menu, but still only 1 photo, no menus. I must have clicked on something correctly and got the lr window, but when i clicked on crop, i got a crazy crop window with 45 degree lines in the window., Horizon correction window? Perplexed Me too. If it doesn’t excite you, This thing that you see, Why in the world, Would it excite me? —Jay Maisel Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
Joseph McAllister wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 16:24 , Bob W wrote: copradormition No hits in Webster's, Wikipedia or Google. Def. please. (We can guess, but need to know for future reference) copra = feces... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Bird of Paradise
Very nice Dan!Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Dan Matyola wrote: > From the National Botanical Garden: > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8779007 > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
Something to do with dried coconut & the Virgin Mary's assent to heaven? :-) DS 2009/4/4 Joseph McAllister : > On Apr 3, 2009, at 16:24 , Bob W wrote: > >> copradormition > > > No hits in Webster's, Wikipedia or Google. > > Def. please. (We can guess, but need to know for future reference) > > > Joseph McAllister -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Apr 3, 2009, at 16:37 , William Robb wrote: Your canoe is in the mail. I have no idea what that means, but it's funny, so I'm going to steal it. The original line was "Give that man a canoe". I have no idea what it means either. Paddle off to Buffalo? Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Apr 3, 2009, at 16:24 , Bob W wrote: copradormition No hits in Webster's, Wikipedia or Google. Def. please. (We can guess, but need to know for future reference) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
The Sentinels
I found these two standing guard near the US Capitol on a foggy morning in March: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8778960 Dan M -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Building H
Here's one from tonight's ride around town. http://www.nickdavidwright.com/2009/04/building-h.html -- ~Nick David Wright http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Bird of Paradise
Nice, colorful flower pic. Well composed. Paul - "Dan Matyola" wrote: > From the National Botanical Garden: > > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8779007 > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PP question, sharp and unsharp.
Seems to be that way. They get to a point where I just flush them. Godfrey - www.gdgphoto.com On Apr 3, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Nick Wright wrote: Do all threads eventually go down the toilet like this one? ;;) On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:49 PM, John Celio wrote: One thing that I haven't been able to find yet is a good description of the mechanism of sharpening, unsharp mask and what all the various knobs, dials and variables do. in general, your PP shouldn't be sharp. If it is, urine trouble. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/calemp http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ~Nick David Wright http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PP question, sharp and unsh
Sometimes. Although they shouldn't. Most digital images require a certain amount of sharpening. Unsharp Mask is a good tool. It provides some edge contrast to give the apearance of more sharpness. You should apply it to images while viewing at 100%. If you see too much edginess and sparkle in highlights, you may have gone too far. If you see halos, you definitely went too far. Later versions of PhotoShop also offer Smart Sharpen. This tool allows you to correct sharpness in different ways. It recognizes that lens blur, our of focus, and motion blur are different situations, and sharpening is applied in different ways. Experimentation is your friend here. Paul - "Nick Wright" wrote: > Do all threads eventually go down the toilet like this one? ;;) > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:49 PM, John Celio > wrote: > >>> One thing that I haven't been able to find yet is a good > description > >>> of the mechanism of sharpening, unsharp mask and what all the > various > >>> knobs, dials and variables do. > >> > >> in general, your PP shouldn't be sharp. > > > > If it is, urine trouble. > > > > John > > > > -- > > http://www.neovenator.com > > http://www.cafepress.com/calemp > > http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and > > follow the directions. > > > > > > -- > ~Nick David Wright > http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PP question, sharp and unsharp.
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Nick Wright wrote: > Do all threads eventually go down the toilet like this one? ;;) It would seam sew. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PP question, sharp and unsharp.
Do all threads eventually go down the toilet like this one? ;;) On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:49 PM, John Celio wrote: >>> One thing that I haven't been able to find yet is a good description >>> of the mechanism of sharpening, unsharp mask and what all the various >>> knobs, dials and variables do. >> >> in general, your PP shouldn't be sharp. > > If it is, urine trouble. > > John > > -- > http://www.neovenator.com > http://www.cafepress.com/calemp > http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- ~Nick David Wright http://www.nickdavidwright.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Bird of Paradise
From the National Botanical Garden: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=8779007 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso water the grass
In a message dated 4/3/2009 5:06:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pentko...@gmail.com writes: Thursday was, b-e-a utiful. Plus 14 C and lots of sun. The weather channel called for a bit of rain today, so i decided Thursday would be a good day to lay down some grass seed, have it get some moisture and get a good start to hide all the bare spots. http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3409895891/ Now i just have to figure out what neighbour has my seed. K10D DAF 50-2.8 LR2 when i got it to work correctly Dave == Oh, my goodness. Heh. Have you got a lot of yard work to do. Marnie :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0003) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test
Dan Matyola wrote: I am having a strange problem. I am able to reply to posts on this list from my office computer using my gmail account, but I have not been able to start a new thread. I tried twice this morning; one post never showed up at all; the other seemed to show up, but there were no replies (which may just mean no one wants to talk to me). OTOH, I have no trouble starting thread from this a separate account, which I opened recently using my laptop and home email address. Those posts always show up and someone always replies to them (perhaps not knowing it is me). Yesterday I updated my office account on the server, to see if that made a difference. This morning, however, my posts still seem not to be getting through. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why this is happening? TIA, Dan M make certain your gmail composition settings are set on Plain Text. I believe it will reply in the format in which it was received, which is why your replies are getting through, but you have to make certain your thread-starting posts are in plain text. Doug -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Test
I am having a strange problem. I am able to reply to posts on this list from my office computer using my gmail account, but I have not been able to start a new thread. I tried twice this morning; one post never showed up at all; the other seemed to show up, but there were no replies (which may just mean no one wants to talk to me). OTOH, I have no trouble starting thread from this a separate account, which I opened recently using my laptop and home email address. Those posts always show up and someone always replies to them (perhaps not knowing it is me). Yesterday I updated my office account on the server, to see if that made a difference. This morning, however, my posts still seem not to be getting through. Does anyone have any suggestions as to why this is happening? TIA, Dan M -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax at GFM
2009/4/4 frank theriault : > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Cotty wrote: > >> I'll give you that ten bucks next time. > > Will that be in Canadian or US funds? There are deer on the mountain... DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: LR sizing question
2009/4/4 David J Brooks : > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:27 PM, William Robb wrote: >> >>> Thats actually a very good question. >>> How does Lightroom do with resizing keywords? >> >> Just fine. To pick an example appropriate for David, if you have the >> keyword "horse" and downsize the image, the keyword changes to "pony". >> Simiarly, if you convert it to black and white, it becomes "zebra". > > Oh Oh. Its a shot of a mountain. I'm a bit confused, was it originally a shot of a mountain or a mole hill? DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "Tim Bray" Subject: Re: RAW software Good lord, I go away for a week and PDML is sucked into a vortex of software religion, baby-burning, and (worst of all) erroneous statements about screwdrivers. So, someone will send me a canoe if I join in? But I think you have to sleep in feces first. -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso water the grass
Looks like a rice paddy might be a better choice ! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: "David J Brooks" Subject: Peso water the grass Thursday was, b-e-a utiful. Plus 14 C and lots of sun. The weather channel called for a bit of rain today, so i decided Thursday would be a good day to lay down some grass seed, have it get some moisture and get a good start to hide all the bare spots. http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3409895891/ Now i just have to figure out what neighbour has my seed. K10D DAF 50-2.8 LR2 when i got it to work correctly Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:37 -0600, "William Robb" wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Bob W" > Subject: RE: RAW software > > > > >> > >> Your canoe is in the mail. > >> > > > > I have no idea what that means, but it's funny, so I'm going to steal it. > > > > The original line was "Give that man a canoe". > I have no idea what it means either. > > William Robb Well, I thought I'd Google "Give that man a canoe" to find out what it means. Turns out the only "hit' was from someone called Wheatfield. Now who could that be?.. http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/general-pentax-photography/32131-lens-filters.html (and I still don't know what it means) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GFM numbers?
2009/4/4 frank theriault : > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: > > >> >> let's see... Mark Roberts, Scott Loveless, John Sessoms, Christine, you, me, >> Cory maybe, Nico Lurker, Don DeLurker, Mat M., Stenquist maybe, Bob S >> maybe... > > You guys are killing me here... > > ;-( You & me both. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
2009/4/4 Tim Bray : > Good lord, I go away for a week and PDML is sucked into a vortex of > software religion, baby-burning, and (worst of all) erroneous > statements about screwdrivers. > > So, someone will send me a canoe if I join in? I can get you a canoe, but if you want to navigate shit creek you'll need to supply your own paddle. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso water the grass
Dave That looks like a rice paddy! Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:06 PM, David J Brooks wrote: > Thursday was, b-e-a utiful. Plus 14 C and lots of sun. > The weather channel called for a bit of rain today, so i decided > Thursday would be a good day to lay down some grass seed, have it get > some moisture and get a good start to hide all the bare spots. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/3409895891/ > > Now i just have to figure out what neighbour has my seed. > > K10D DAF 50-2.8 LR2 when i got it to work correctly > > Dave > -- > Equine Photography > www.caughtinmotion.com > http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ > Ontario Canada > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
Good lord, I go away for a week and PDML is sucked into a vortex of software religion, baby-burning, and (worst of all) erroneous statements about screwdrivers. So, someone will send me a canoe if I join in? -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:01 PM, David Savage wrote: > > But all this talk of keywording & file management ignores LR's other > major feature. Non-destructive editing. The shot I posted of the > pretty girl in Dario's "ping" thread the other day. 95% of the editing > was done in LR & I could have done it all in LR, but decided a curves > adjustment layer mask would be quicker (given how poorly my computer > was performing at the time). > > DS > Note ACR, Capture One, CaptureNX and PS (using layers) all support non-destructive editing. It's pretty much a prerequisite for a good editing solution these days. I do much of my editing non-destructively, usually in ACR or CaptureNX (which is a decent general-purpose editor in addition to its RAW conversion capabilities). Really only dust-spotting ends up being done destructively. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
2009/4/4 Godfrey DiGiorgi : > Keywords save massive amounts of time later when putting together groups of > images for sale, exhibits, when locating a particular photo that some editor > saw your web rez page on, when the family would like all the pictures of mom > you might have after she's passed away, etc etc etc. That's about 80% of my > image management workflow need and proves a huge time saving. Here is my real world example of the benefits of keywording in LR (I used to do it in Bridge too)... A friend of mine a few months ago was having a combined birthday/farewell party (she was leaving to do volunteer work in a Nepalese infectious diseases hospital). I decided to print up a 1.2x1.2m square poster of photos of her. The centrepiece being a particularly unflattering shot I'd taken with the 10-17mm. Thanks to keywording I just had to search for her name. Similarly one of the overseas relatives asked for some recent photos or Mum & Dad. Keywords make these kinds or requests easy It requires discipline to add keywords to files, but it can save a lot of effort down the track. But all this talk of keywording & file management ignores LR's other major feature. Non-destructive editing. The shot I posted of the pretty girl in Dario's "ping" thread the other day. 95% of the editing was done in LR & I could have done it all in LR, but decided a curves adjustment layer mask would be quicker (given how poorly my computer was performing at the time). DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Arg, one more LR ??
About a week ago, i upgraded to LR 2.3. Mac laptop OS 10 All went well. However since doing so, when ever i import files via click and drag, LR opens funny. I get the import window, and when i start typing in keywords, the spinning ball of hell start, the window shuts down, LR starts and then blam, black screen with a photo. Today, one of the 10 pictures showed up, on a completly black screen. no LR window etc. Clicking on the screen in various places near the out side edges got me the menu, but still only 1 photo, no menus. I must have clicked on something correctly and got the lr window, but when i clicked on crop, i got a crazy crop window with 45 degree lines in the window., Perplexed Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PP question, sharp and unsharp.
One thing that I haven't been able to find yet is a good description of the mechanism of sharpening, unsharp mask and what all the various knobs, dials and variables do. in general, your PP shouldn't be sharp. If it is, urine trouble. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/calemp http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
- Original Message - From: "Bob W" Subject: RE: RAW software Your canoe is in the mail. I have no idea what that means, but it's funny, so I'm going to steal it. The original line was "Give that man a canoe". I have no idea what it means either. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: LR sizing question
>> > Thats actually a very good question. > >> > How does Lightroom do with resizing keywords? > >> > >> Just fine. To pick an example appropriate for David, if > you have the > >> keyword "horse" and downsize the image, the keyword > changes to "pony". > >> Simiarly, if you convert it to black and white, it > becomes "zebra". > >> > > > > Wow! They thought of everything! > > I just tried upsizing a keyword of my last girlfriend and > Lightroom changed > it from Wendy to Narwhale. > > William Robb sounds like a horny little seacow. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: RAW software
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Joseph McAllister > wrote: > > > Sleep in your own feces... > > I've been reading this thread, and I'm sorry, but I see absolutely no > good reason to to this. I mean I understand ~how~ to do this (large > quantities of alcohol or drugs help), but for me it just isn't the > most efficient way to accomplish my tasks. > Depends on your tasks. If your task involves copradormition then this has to be efficient. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:29 PM, William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: RAW > software > > >> >> On Apr 3, 2009, at 12:35 PM, William Robb wrote: >> >>> ... stubborn, sanctimonious jerk ... >>> >>> William Robb >> >> "Pot, meet Kettle." >> "Are you black?" > > I'll have you know that I'm an asshole, not a jerk. > > William Robb > Of course. You look nothing like Steve Martin -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO 2009 - 043, 044 - GDG
Some color ... http://homepage.mac.com/godders/043-connections.jpg "Connections" - Sunnyvale 2009 Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40mm f/1.4 ISO 200 @ f/2 @ 1/320 sec http://homepage.mac.com/godders/044-raw.jpg "Raw" - San Francisco 2009 Panasonic G1 + Olympus G.Zuiko 40mm f/1.4 ISO 100 @ f/2 @ 1/800 sec Comments always appreciated. enjoy Godfrey -- www.gdgphoto.com www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets twitter.com/godfreydigiorgi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: RAW software On Apr 3, 2009, at 12:35 PM, William Robb wrote: ... stubborn, sanctimonious jerk ... William Robb "Pot, meet Kettle." "Are you black?" I'll have you know that I'm an asshole, not a jerk. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On 3/4/09, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: >Cotty, you are the pepperoni pizza of non-sequiturs. Mark! (On this occasion I'll forego the modesty...) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GFM numbers?
I am signed up and do plan to be there. Camping. On the ground. Unless I can find a spare camper bed... stan On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Anyone besides me curious how many members got GFM tickets? Just wondering how many and who from the list are going/camping. Email me off list and I will do a count for anyone interested. I am going on a weekend photo shoot at a nearby state park this weekend ( Devil's Den State Park, Arkansas), so might be a few days before I could post results. Ted Beilby let's see... Mark Roberts, Scott Loveless, John Sessoms, Christine, you, me, Cory maybe, Nico Lurker, Don DeLurker, Mat M., Stenquist maybe, Bob S maybe... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 10:49:05PM +0100, Cotty wrote: > On 3/4/09, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >Hmm, I say they're not a panacea then you correct me and say they're > >not a panacea. And I'm the one not speaking English? > > > I like panaceas with maple syrup. Cotty, you are the pepperoni pizza of non-sequitors. -- The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post the wrong answer. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax at GFM
In a message dated 4/3/2009 2:44:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cotty...@mac.com writes: On 3/4/09, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: >Will that be in Canadian or US funds? Zimbabwean -- Cheers, Cotty === Wise. It's probably more stable. Marnie ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0003) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On 3/4/09, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: >Hmm, I say they're not a panacea then you correct me and say they're >not a panacea. And I'm the one not speaking English? I like panaceas with maple syrup. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax at GFM
On 3/4/09, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: >Will that be in Canadian or US funds? Zimbabwean -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ritz Photo closing over 300 stores
On Apr 3, 2009, at 15:01, Mark Roberts wrote: http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-article/19647/need-some-photo-gear-ritz-camera-is-closing-over-300-stores I can't say I'm optimistic about the survival of their remaining stores. I can't envision any business plan they might come up with that will work in place of their current minilab-driven model (which is clearly not going to fly in this day and age). :( http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/02/a-bit-more-on-ritz--the-basic-commodity-that-kept-most-us-camera-stores-alive-in-the-1980s-and--1990s-was-the-3x5-inch.html The one-and-only Ritz in DT St. Paul, MN just closed last week. So much for "pick up your prints" convenience! There are two of them in the Mall of America - I wonder if either of them will stick around? -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
I love it when you guys get all sweet and sentimental! Paul On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 12:35 PM, William Robb wrote: ... stubborn, sanctimonious jerk ... William Robb "Pot, meet Kettle." "Are you black?" G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
Welcome to the club, Larry. Remember all those USP drives I mentioned a few hundred msgs ago today? Well, I didn't count the ten IDE and SCSI drives I have in the two G4 towers, the G3 tower, the G3 laptop, and the MacBook, nor the nine internal drives that were removed from previous G4 & G3 computers. None of which can be scrapped because I know I KNOW there are some files on those 2 GB, 4.5 GB, 6 GB, 10 GB, 40 GB, and 300 GB drives that I will be looking for someday, soon SOON. I did throw out the 340 MB to 830 MB drives I had held on to for so many years. I imagine these will go that route eventually. As soon as I scrounge the data off them! As far as the internal drives on the aluminum framed iMacs — from what I've been told, they are only accessible by using suction cups to remove the front lucite (glass) cover, then the LCD screen. Perhaps someone on list knows a better way. On Apr 3, 2009, at 14:01 , Larry Colen wrote: On a related note, I've been told by various people that swapping harddrives in the flat panel iMacs is significantly less trivial than doing so in their laptops. I haven't researched it any more than that, so I just throw external drives at the problem. Just like my solution to running out of space on my Linux desktop box is to just throw another SATA drive at it, rather than doing something sensible like delete unused and obsolete files. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > Thanks to the folks who pointed out the simple solutions to some of my > issues with moving things around in lightroom. > > Due to many other crunches going on in my life, a lot of basic > computer set up and organization has been seriously deferred. > Cobblers kids, bare feet and all of that. > > On a related note, I've been told by various people that swapping > harddrives in the flat panel iMacs is significantly less trivial than > doing so in their laptops. I haven't researched it any more than that, > so I just throw external drives at the problem. Just like my solution > to running out of space on my Linux desktop box is to just throw > another SATA drive at it, rather than doing something sensible like > delete unused and obsolete files. > Swapping drives in any desktop Mac is less trivial than doing so on the current Macbooks (which are 1 screw and pull). Hell is swapping a drive in a white iBook. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 12:49:52AM +0800, David Savage wrote: > And I'll add... > > Quit circle jerking each other about who has the right workflow. Go > outside and takes some photos for f#$ks sake. This thread is an amazingly frustrating mixture of vitally useful information and flamebait wankage. There's enough useful stuff interspersed that I can't just skip the thread. Unfortunately with LR, I can't just RTFM because it doesn't ship with one. > > If what you do works for you, it's the right workflow. > > I'm turning in for the night, this whole thread is better than a > sleeping pill. Tomorrow I plan to shoot drift "racing". Doing doughnuts in the parking lot elevated to olympian competition. It's a tremendously entertaining misapplication of automotive technology. I bet Doug's baby grand would be great for dorifto. -- The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post the wrong answer. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ritz Photo closing over 300 stores
Mark, Perhaps this is part of the reason for the changes in the Pentax sales network. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-article/19647/need-some-photo-gear-ritz-camera-is-closing-over-300-stores > > I can't say I'm optimistic about the survival of their remaining stores. I > can't envision any business plan they might come up with that will work in > place of their current minilab-driven model (which is clearly not going to > fly in this day and age). :( > > http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/02/a-bit-more-on-ritz--the-basic-commodity-that-kept-most-us-camera-stores-alive-in-the-1980s-and--1990s-was-the-3x5-inch.html > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:02:17AM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: > Bob W wrote: > Find me a person who actually wants to put petrol in a pram and you'll > convince me it's not a false analogy. I have a sudden urge to build a pram powered with a Keith Black 440. -- The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post the wrong answer. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
Thanks to the folks who pointed out the simple solutions to some of my issues with moving things around in lightroom. Due to many other crunches going on in my life, a lot of basic computer set up and organization has been seriously deferred. Cobblers kids, bare feet and all of that. On a related note, I've been told by various people that swapping harddrives in the flat panel iMacs is significantly less trivial than doing so in their laptops. I haven't researched it any more than that, so I just throw external drives at the problem. Just like my solution to running out of space on my Linux desktop box is to just throw another SATA drive at it, rather than doing something sensible like delete unused and obsolete files. -- The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post the wrong answer. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Three Tracks
In a message dated 4/3/2009 1:52:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pasv...@boonmark.net writes: Marnie, For this set, I prefer the first one. -Pasvorn === Thanks for the input, Pasvorn. Marnie :-) On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:47 AM,wrote: > > I am unsure of which of these two I like best. > > http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/tracks.htm > > Or > > http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/tracksb.htm > > If either one works for you more than the other, I'd like to know. Or even > if neither works. :-) Thanks. > > Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0003) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Three Tracks
It was modified into a deep sea oil drilling rig, so they say... On Apr 3, 2009, at 13:46 , eactiv...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/3/2009 1:27:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, l...@red4est.com writes: I'm not sure where Hunter's point came in. The Glomar was parked in the Mothball fleet for many years, until it was scrapped. The Glomar, in itself is an interesting story. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “If I could tell the story in words, I wouldn’t need to lug a camera.” –Lewis Hine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Three Tracks
Marnie, For this set, I prefer the first one. -Pasvorn On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:47 AM, wrote: > > I am unsure of which of these two I like best. > > http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/tracks.htm > > Or > > http://www.mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/tracksb.htm > > If either one works for you more than the other, I'd like to know. Or even > if neither works. :-) Thanks. > > Marnie aka Doe ;-) > above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Apr 3, 2009, at 12:35 PM, William Robb wrote: ... stubborn, sanctimonious jerk ... William Robb "Pot, meet Kettle." "Are you black?" G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Three Tracks
In a message dated 4/3/2009 1:27:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, l...@red4est.com writes: I'm not sure where Hunter's point came in. The Glomar was parked in the Mothball fleet for many years, until it was scrapped. The Glomar, in itself is an interesting story. My friend, Charlie Stross, wrote a book called "The Jennifer Morgue" that the Glomar plays a part in. I hadn't realized where the name came from until I read that article about "Project Jennifer". = Okay, rerread article, well rescanned. It was taken to Hunter's Point for modifications. That's where I got that from. You're right it was mothballed with the others. According to article the mothball fleet is the Naval Reserve Fleet in Suisun Bay (i.e. not a shipyard per se). Reserve, heh. Very, very, very reserve. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0003) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Code for analyzing Pentax RAW files
There has been some discussion lately about PEF files, how the K100 handles ISO >800 and so forth. What follows is an email that I got from Gordon Goodsman on the topic. Immediately below is the link on my website where I stored the program he wrote. There's a zip file, and also the unzipped files from it. http://www.red4est.com/lrc/rawconverter/ - Forwarded message from Gordon Goodsman - From: Gordon Goodsman To: l...@red4est.com Subject: RE: Pentax Raw files Hi Larry, Yes, my name does come up from time to time in the DPReview forums due to some treatices and proofs that I have written. ;) As to your questions, no I've never written a blog about my experiences and observations on raw decoding other than my contributions to the above forums. As to the K200D bit shifting to get an effective ISO 3200, Marc Sabatella may have determined that from some Java software I wrote some time ago that shows the RGB raw histograms. As to just bit clipping "just clipping highlights", if you think about it that way all higher ISO sensitivities can be though of as "just clipping highlights" as you can pretty well always get about the same effect as shooting underexposed at a low ISO with raw and boosting the exposures in post processing. The only exception is when the Analog to Digital Convertor (ADC) contributes a significant percentage of the noise at lower ISO sensitivities where as it generally doesn't at higher sensitivities (the ADC noise stays constant as the amplified higher ISO sensor noise goes up). From a image quality point of view, other than as noted, the image quality is pretty much exactly the same whether higher ISO's are produced using a higher gain on the pre ADC amplifier or by bit shifting due to the minimum noise always being more than the missing banding codes as the gaps between codes are less than the minimum noise and raw conversion will generally tend to fill in these gaps anyway. In fact, all Pentax pre-K10D cameras for ISO's of 800 and up achieve the elevated ISO's by bit shifting, so you are dealing with it now and haven't noticed anything. As to determining that the pre K10D cameras do in fact shift WB slightly for the extreme WB settings, I did this using the above mentioned Java raw RGB histogram generator, which I have here attached as a '.txt' file to get past any attachment filters that will object to the included '.cmd' file. Just rename the downloaded file to '.zip' to extract and use it. It was originally written by a Russian guy named Anton Malyck and I have somewhat modified it to handle all currently known Pentax PEF files (haven't tested it with Km/K2000D files yet though, but I assume that they should work like K200D files). The instructions for use are embedded in the root directory of the extracted file. The raw WB is somewhat changed, especially for tungsten WB, but the difference isn't huge and not something that you have to worry a lot about. What is more important is that you can show why there is more highlight "headroom" for ISO's above 200 for the pre-K10D cameras in that the actual gain is changed so that there is indeed an extra approximately half a stop of highlight "headroom". For the Pentax K100D Super and earlier Pentax cameras (pre-K10D), raw decoding is quite easy because the raw data is not loss-lessly compressed and therefore does not need to be decompressed other that for un-"byte packing" which extracts two 12 bit readings from every three bytes (24 bits packed). Since your background is technical and somewhat related to programming, you can likely find everything you want to know about Pentax image file tags (including raw) using a free program called PhotoMe from Jens Duttke available at www.photome.de. With this, the specification for EXIF, the TIFF6 specification, and a WinHex file hexadecimal editor, all available for free download by doing an Internet search, you are well on the way to being able to write a raw convertor or at least a raw analyzer in the computer language of your choice. I have included the Java source code for the raw histogram generator in the attachment and although this is quite a primitive implementation able to just extract enough tags and the raw data in order to be able to plot the raw histogram, you will see what is involved. I hope this helps. Regards, Gordon Goodsman (AKA GordonBGood)> From: l...@red4est.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 00:26:00 -0800> To: gordon_...@hotmail.com> Subject: Pentax Raw files > > Gordon, > > Your name keeps coming up in reference to Pentax raw file formats. It> > > also seems that you've written your own raw file processing software. > > Do you have any sort of documentation posted on the things that you've> > > learned? Since I have a K100Dsuper I'm most interested in info about> it. > > I think it was Marc Sabatella that said something about ISO 3200 doing> a > > shift left on the data over ISO 1600
Re: PESO - Three Tracks
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 01:31:53PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: > They weren't all WWII era, the Glomar Explorer was parked there for > many years. > == > Yeah, I figured a few were added later, but didn't know that much about it. > > Interesting, I didn't realize it was "Project Jennifer", that explains > Charlie naming the book "The Jennifer Morgue" > http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/jennifer.htm > > == > Huh, except it's not Hunter's Point. Okay, let me look it up. I can't come > up with the name, it MIGHT be the Port Chicago Shipyard. It's in the > Carquinez > Straight, near Martinez/Benicia. It's not, as far as I know, a working > shipyard, just a storage place. I'm not sure where Hunter's point came in. The Glomar was parked in the Mothball fleet for many years, until it was scrapped. The Glomar, in itself is an interesting story. My friend, Charlie Stross, wrote a book called "The Jennifer Morgue" that the Glomar plays a part in. I hadn't realized where the name came from until I read that article about "Project Jennifer". -- The fastest way to get your question answered on the net is to post the wrong answer. Larry Colen l...@red4est.comhttp://www.red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
Touche. With my last breath I will press "enter" to run that a script right before I die ;-) On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: > Okay, I will ask my grandson to contact you 50 years from now if he does not > get his grandfathers files open! > Greetz Jos > > Fernando wrote: >> >> Hi Jos, >> >> You have that with Pentax converter, and probably some other from >> Adobe. You will probably always have some piece of software available >> from Pentax to do this. >> >> My problem with DNG is that my prefered raw converter (Capture One) >> doesn't work with it, DNG files are larger, I don't care for Adobe's >> converter, and all converters that I like (Capture One and Silkypix) >> work with PEF, particularly for me all that outweights the benefits of >> storing files in DNG in prevention for the hypothetical case of a >> future were you cannot open Pentax raw format. >> >> I take that risk, I guess worst case scenario in twenty years I'll be >> running a script to convert all my images while you are using them >> directly ;-) >> >> Cheers >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Jos from Holland >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Fernando, >>> Don't you need then SW that understands PEF (of the specific camera)???' >>> >>> Fernando wrote: >>> You can convert PEF to DNG after the fact, if that ever happens. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: > > Bran Everseeking wrote: > > >> >> what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? >> >> > > Every camera brand and often every camera model has its own type of RAW > --> > 20 years from now all software can open DNG but probably not all RAW, > certainly not of brands that existed in the past..) > Greetz, Jos > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
Okay, I will ask my grandson to contact you 50 years from now if he does not get his grandfathers files open! Greetz Jos Fernando wrote: Hi Jos, You have that with Pentax converter, and probably some other from Adobe. You will probably always have some piece of software available from Pentax to do this. My problem with DNG is that my prefered raw converter (Capture One) doesn't work with it, DNG files are larger, I don't care for Adobe's converter, and all converters that I like (Capture One and Silkypix) work with PEF, particularly for me all that outweights the benefits of storing files in DNG in prevention for the hypothetical case of a future were you cannot open Pentax raw format. I take that risk, I guess worst case scenario in twenty years I'll be running a script to convert all my images while you are using them directly ;-) Cheers On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: Hi Fernando, Don't you need then SW that understands PEF (of the specific camera)???' Fernando wrote: You can convert PEF to DNG after the fact, if that ever happens. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: Bran Everseeking wrote: what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? Every camera brand and often every camera model has its own type of RAW --> 20 years from now all software can open DNG but probably not all RAW, certainly not of brands that existed in the past..) Greetz, Jos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Ritz Photo closing over 300 stores
In a message dated 4/3/2009 1:01:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, msrobert...@ysu.edu writes: http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-article/19647/need-some-photo-gear-ritz-cam era-is-closing-over-300-stores I can't say I'm optimistic about the survival of their remaining stores. I can't envision any business plan they might come up with that will work in place of their current minilab-driven model (which is clearly not going to fly in this day and age). :( == Reminds me of Circuit City, actually. First they started with closing about 1/2 their stores, thinking they could keep going... Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0003) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO and GESO, K100Ds performance
In a message dated 4/3/2009 12:34:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, l...@red4est.com writes: When I left work yesterday, I stopped to shoot a field that has been catching my eye for a couple of years: I think that this may be the best of the lot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3408989436 == Like the PESO, that's very nice, and this shot... http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/3408986844/in/photostream/ Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0003) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Ritz Photo closing over 300 stores
http://news.digitaltrends.com/news-article/19647/need-some-photo-gear-ritz-camera-is-closing-over-300-stores I can't say I'm optimistic about the survival of their remaining stores. I can't envision any business plan they might come up with that will work in place of their current minilab-driven model (which is clearly not going to fly in this day and age). :( http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/02/a-bit-more-on-ritz--the-basic-commodity-that-kept-most-us-camera-stores-alive-in-the-1980s-and--1990s-was-the-3x5-inch.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Fernando wrote: > My problem with DNG is that my prefered raw converter (Capture One) > doesn't work with it Also, for the record, Bibble doesn't either. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
Hi Jos, You have that with Pentax converter, and probably some other from Adobe. You will probably always have some piece of software available from Pentax to do this. My problem with DNG is that my prefered raw converter (Capture One) doesn't work with it, DNG files are larger, I don't care for Adobe's converter, and all converters that I like (Capture One and Silkypix) work with PEF, particularly for me all that outweights the benefits of storing files in DNG in prevention for the hypothetical case of a future were you cannot open Pentax raw format. I take that risk, I guess worst case scenario in twenty years I'll be running a script to convert all my images while you are using them directly ;-) Cheers On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: > Hi Fernando, > Don't you need then SW that understands PEF (of the specific camera)???' > > Fernando wrote: >> >> You can convert PEF to DNG after the fact, if that ever happens. >> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Jos from Holland >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Bran Everseeking wrote: >>> what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? >>> >>> Every camera brand and often every camera model has its own type of RAW >>> --> >>> 20 years from now all software can open DNG but probably not all RAW, >>> certainly not of brands that existed in the past..) >>> Greetz, Jos >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: New K20D? was: When was the *ist D released in the UK?
Hi John, > I'd like to increase my lens collection. I think that's fair enough > after a break of 5 years from buying! > > I agree, the first thing I went looking for was something for the wide > end, I can thoroghly recommend the DA 16-45/4 very good lens and not > too expensive. Most of my kit is legacy FA primes from my film days, so > covering the wide end below 24mm seemed like the best place to start. Prime lens I'm fine for. I still have a nice collection which see (admittedly rare) service with my LX. I really ought to use them more on the digital camera. I would like two new lenses; one to cover the wider end and one decent longer lens - up to the 300mm mark. I'm hoping a new camera will kick start a return to recreational photography, rather than the boring but useful pictures I've only taken in recent times. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
Hi Fernando, Don't you need then SW that understands PEF (of the specific camera)???' Fernando wrote: You can convert PEF to DNG after the fact, if that ever happens. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: Bran Everseeking wrote: what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? Every camera brand and often every camera model has its own type of RAW --> 20 years from now all software can open DNG but probably not all RAW, certainly not of brands that existed in the past..) Greetz, Jos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
That is absolutely the silliest analogy I've seen yet. ... As it was intended to be, to point of the absurdity of the complaint. No amount of bellyaching and opinion on the PDML will add a feature request for the Lightroom engineering team to work with. If you wish a feature to be added to Lightroom, the way to make that known is to file a feature/bug enhancement request using the facilities on the Adobe website. If you find a problem that needs to be addressed, unless you file that feature/bug enhancement request you might as well yell into a paper bag. I haved filed on average six or seven feature requests and bug reports every month since I started working with the first public beta of Lightroom in 2006. LR2 implemented about half of what I requested as new features (as well as dozens more that I never thought of). Each successive incremental version of LR has fixed the majority of what I filed as bug reports (as well as a lot of others I never ran into). Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
- Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: RAW software Cotty wrote: On 3/4/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Find me a person who actually wants to put petrol in a pram and you'll convince me it's not a false analogy. Er Yeah. I'd forgotten about Bill Robb. I'd settle for tossing in the lit match William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
- Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: RAW software And my Adobe Advocacy check is overdue. Why should I waste any more of my time on this discussion? ;-) Probably because you are a stubborn, sanctimonious jerk who won't admit that he could possibly be wrong concerning someone leeses working methods. It's one possibility anyway, there may bo others, but likely they'll boil down to the same thing. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: When was the *ist D released in the UK?
> frank theriault wrote: > > Who Brings the Cheese on April 3rd? > > It's the Cheese Weasel! > > He's not a silly bunny or a reindeer or a bird > > He's the Cheese Weasel! > > He's got a funny little tail and funny buck teeth > > and he doesn't bring fish and he doesn't bring beef > > so you'd better be good if you want to get some cheese > > from the Cheese Weasel! > > We don't have Cheese Weasels here in Canada (that I know of). > > Thanks for this. I got a cheese slice, Frank. I think I got a visit from the Processed Cheese Weasel. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
You can convert PEF to DNG after the fact, if that ever happens. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: > Bran Everseeking wrote: >> >> what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? > > Every camera brand and often every camera model has its own type of RAW --> > 20 years from now all software can open DNG but probably not all RAW, > certainly not of brands that existed in the past..) > Greetz, Jos > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:17 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Pointing out that software can't do something which it easily *could* do, and is desired by some users, is not an exercise in futility. It is, in fact, how good, responsive software developers improve their product. "My #2 Philips Screwdriver cannot drive a #4 Torx screw, but it could easily if they put an interchangeable bit on the end. That is absolutely the silliest analogy I've seen yet. Software isn't like a screwdriver, it's malleable and changeable in ways that hardware isn't. This is evidenced by the fact that Lightroom itself has had features and capabilities added to it during its transition from beta to version 1 to version 2. Some of these improvements each step of the way were driven by users actually complaining about what they perceived as shortcomings (oh, the horror!) Not only *can* Ligntroom be improved, I boldly predict that it *will* be. Yes, I think there will be a version 3 someday. Call me psychic. They may not add the improvements I want, but if I don't speak out about what I perceive as shortcomings, it's pretty much certain they won't. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
Bran Everseeking wrote: what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? Every camera brand and often every camera model has its own type of RAW --> 20 years from now all software can open DNG but probably not all RAW, certainly not of brands that existed in the past..) Greetz, Jos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax at GFM
Cotty wrote: On 3/4/09, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: I attended 2005-2007 and have met some pretty decent characters. Cotty's nice to I'll give you that ten bucks next time. I'd hang fire on that. You need to know if he's saying that you are kind to things or that you have pleasureable uses. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: When was the *ist D released in the UK?
- Original Message - From: "frank theriault" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:16 PM Subject: Re: When was the *ist D released in the UK? On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:56 PM, John Mullan wrote: He didn't grace us with his presence in Ohio either, drat. A nice stilton would be just the thing today. Sorry. He's all out of stilton today. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Well I guess I should be thankful. He didn't drop off any Veleeta. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:46:40AM -0700, Larry Colen scripsit: > > I just had to do an OS install and when the machine came back to me my > > mirrored drive had gone from being G to F. > > That was fun... > > It's too bad you couldn't just change a line in /etc/fstab. People say > that Windows is so much easier than Unix, but if something like that > happened on a Linux box, it would be a 30 second job to remap the > drive back to where it was. Well, properly, on a unix you use labels, so the drive knows what it's called and the OS asks it and there you go. The downside is that it's far from obvious which of the external drives is which unless you colour code them or something of that sort. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
John Graves wrote: I am still using PSE3. I am limited to adobe Camera Raw 3.6 (which I have installed)by PSE3. I have not seen any picture processing tools in any of the subsequent PSE or Camera Raw releases that warrant their purchase. It appears that the subsequent Camera Raw releases have added newer cameras, but I can't tell if any features or improvements have been added there and 3.6 opens the .pef file anyway. _Has anybody upgraded to a newer PSE version for a tool or improvement?_ I work with Picasa for its tremendous speed in every action. For larger prints I go to PSE6.0. win which I have the (free!) _SmartCurve plugin_. This plugin doubles the value of PSE for me and I think it _does not work in your version, John_ Greetz Jos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax at GFM
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: >> Will that be in Canadian or US funds? > > Depends. Are you gonna buy stuff with it, or play Monopoly? I'm sure he'll be buying stuff, so he'll want the currency from the strongest economy. I guess that would be Canadian funds, please... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
From: "Graydon" Oh, for the love of little green onions in the rain. MARK! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:30:59AM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi scripsit:
> On Apr 3, 2009, at 8:17 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> Pointing out that software can't do something which it easily *could*
>> do, and is desired by some users, is not an exercise in futility. It
>> is, in fact, how good, responsive software developers improve their
>> product.
>
> "My #2 Philips Screwdriver cannot drive a #4 Torx screw, but it could
> easily if they put an interchangeable bit on the end.
>
> Of course, I could buy a screwdriver with an interchangeable bit head
> and use that, but then I wouldn't have something to complain about. I
> want to use my #2 Philips head screwdriver for Torx screws too."
Oh, for the love of little green onions in the rain.
If someone wants to drive Torx screws, and the screwdriver manufacturer,
despite making the best Phillips screwdrivers the mind of man can
conceive, refuses to do so, there's a legitimate basis for complaint.
You're reasoning from types, when what actually exists is a diverse
population of photographers. (""We can't learn how much they interbreed
until we can distinguish them, but we can't distinguish them because
they appear to interbreed." [1])
Someone can perfectly well dislike a particular piece of software that
you like and be right for them and not you.
-- Graydon
[1] Steve N. G. Howell, writing about Thayer's and Iceland gulls
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Re: GFM numbers?
Hello Bob, It's a Father/Son kind of thing . -- Bruce Friday, April 3, 2009, 10:19:50 AM, you wrote: >> >> Cory maybe, Nico Lurker, Don DeLurker, Mat M., Stenquist BW> I'm amazed by the similarities in Nico and Don's surnames. I wonder if BW> they're somehow related. I've never noticed them on the list before though. BW> Bob BW> -- BW> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List BW> PDML@pdml.net BW> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net BW> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:49 , Adam Maas wrote: On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Adam Maas wrote: First you say: Am I going to have to put an Adam Maas filter on my email rules to join the JCO filter? Take a 'lude, dude Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > >> First you say: >> >>> I don't know where you get the idea that keywords are some kind of >>> panacea >>> or are essential to LR operation. They're neither. >> >> in response to my statement Keywords can be a powerful tool, but they aren't a panacea. > > You must not speak the same language I do. But that's neither here nor > there. Hmm, I say they're not a panacea then you correct me and say they're not a panacea. And I'm the one not speaking English? > Then you say: >> >>> Keywords save massive amounts of time later when putting together groups >>> of >>> images for sale, exhibits, when locating a particular photo that some >>> editor >>> saw your web rez page on, when the family would like all the pictures of >>> mom >>> you might have after she's passed away, etc etc etc. That's about 80% of >>> my >>> image management workflow need and proves a huge time saving. >>> >> >> Which is essentially indicating that Keywords are the basis for your >> claims of improved workflow efficiency for LR. > > They're not the only thing about LR which improves what I do. > > But you don't like LR for your work, won't agree, and will debate in a > literal and assumed naïve fashion every point. > > And my Adobe Advocacy check is overdue. Why should I waste any more of my > time on this discussion? ;-) > > G Because you make wild, unfounded claims saying that people are obviously doing things wrong by not choosing your preferred workflow and don't accept that their needs happen to not exactly match yours? And if you want an actual debate, you really should try using literal statements. They support any point you have much better than wilfull misunderstandings and vague claims. And there's nothing naive about what I'm claiming here. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GFM numbers?
Ted, Doug is right. Wife and I plan to be there, but not camping... Invoice #665. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: > tbei...@sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >> Anyone besides me curious how many members got GFM tickets? Just wondering >> how many and who from the list are going/camping. Email me off list and I >> will do a count for anyone interested. I am going on a weekend photo shoot >> at a nearby state park this weekend ( Devil's Den State Park, Arkansas), so >> might be a few days before I could post results. >> >> Ted Beilby > > let's see... Mark Roberts, Scott Loveless, John Sessoms, Christine, you, me, > Cory maybe, Nico Lurker, Don DeLurker, Mat M., Stenquist maybe, Bob S > maybe... > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax at GFM
On 4/3/09, frank theriault wrote: > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Cotty wrote: > > > I'll give you that ten bucks next time. > > > Will that be in Canadian or US funds? Depends. Are you gonna buy stuff with it, or play Monopoly? -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: > You just need the correct size rubber sheets. You obviously haven't > though this through. Mmm, rubber! cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax at GFM
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Cotty wrote: > I'll give you that ten bucks next time. Will that be in Canadian or US funds? cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
Cotty wrote: On 3/4/09, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Find me a person who actually wants to put petrol in a pram and you'll convince me it's not a false analogy. Er Yeah. I'd forgotten about Bill Robb. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On 4/3/09, frank theriault wrote: > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: > > > > Sleep in your own feces... > > > I've been reading this thread, and I'm sorry, but I see absolutely no > good reason to to this. I mean I understand ~how~ to do this (large > quantities of alcohol or drugs help), but for me it just isn't the > most efficient way to accomplish my tasks. You just need the correct size rubber sheets. You obviously haven't though this through. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > You're WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! It's far and away the best way for *everyone* to > do this! And if you ask for a form of sleeping that doesn't involve the "in > feces" bit you're being too demanding and/or not using it for its intended > purpose! > > Just so's ya know... Well, you're the (soon to be out-of-work) professor, so I guess you know best... ;-) cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax at GFM
On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:23 , Cotty wrote: On 3/4/09, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: I attended 2005-2007 and have met some pretty decent characters. Cotty's nice to I'll give you that ten bucks next time. You might want to hold off on that, Cotty, until he explains what you are nice to. Could be a trap! Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: RAW software
On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Adam Maas wrote: First you say: I don't know where you get the idea that keywords are some kind of panacea or are essential to LR operation. They're neither. in response to my statement Keywords can be a powerful tool, but they aren't a panacea. You must not speak the same language I do. But that's neither here nor there. Then you say: Keywords save massive amounts of time later when putting together groups of images for sale, exhibits, when locating a particular photo that some editor saw your web rez page on, when the family would like all the pictures of mom you might have after she's passed away, etc etc etc. That's about 80% of my image management workflow need and proves a huge time saving. Which is essentially indicating that Keywords are the basis for your claims of improved workflow efficiency for LR. They're not the only thing about LR which improves what I do. But you don't like LR for your work, won't agree, and will debate in a literal and assumed naïve fashion every point. And my Adobe Advocacy check is overdue. Why should I waste any more of my time on this discussion? ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
