Re: PESO - Blending in homage

[Christine Aguila]

Derby:  Your lady mannequin is missing a stocking.  Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: "Derby Chang" 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:36 AM
Subject: PESO - Blending in homage




My homage to Frank's "Blending in"

http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_05/09_05_strand/01.htm

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Re: Jaquita

[Christine Aguila]

That's nice, Walt.  You know, you should send her the portrait.  Six months 
ago an old boyfriend found my work email and sent me a jpeg of a scanned pic 
of me he'd come across while rummaging through old stuff.   The pic was 
taken over 20 years ago.   We exchanged a few emails, caught up, and wished 
each other well.  It was kind of nice.  Anyway, very nice portrait of a 
pretty woman.  Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
From: "Walter Hamler" 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: PESO: Jaquita



http://walthamler.smugmug.com/gallery/4592986_mrB5J#541380797_qUYXf-L-LB

My old high school flame. Just trying out the new scanner and reviving
old memories!  God, I feel old all of a sudden! ;-)

Walt

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Re: [PESO] Another shot from last Friday

[Christine Aguila]

I agree--that's very pretty.  cheers, Christine


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Subject: [PESO] Another shot from last Friday



Taken the same day as the "Rocks in Water" photo, but during an
afternoon hike. Not as original/creative as the other photo, but
pretty none the less, I think:
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/may/7d902236.html


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Re: PESO - Wet Wedding Day

[Christine Aguila]

I think the two pedestrians are distracting, Frank, but it's still a fun 
shot.  cheers, Christine



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Subject: PESO - Wet Wedding Day



I think I "just missed this one" insofar as I wish the two pedestrians
walking away had more separation from the subjects, but they (the
subjects) moved just after I snapped this first and only shot.  Had I
the time I would have also liked to open the aperture a fair bit to
get that background a bit more OOF.  Your opinion as to whether the
result is acceptable will be valued:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/05/wet-wedding-day.html

cheers,
frank

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Re: Photos from the rosegarden Sunday

[John Francis]

Thanks, Bob.
  
It was close to a comedy routine getting this shot, though.
Larry, Angel and I were taking it easy after a few hours in
the sun, and almost ready to pack up and go home.  Then this
fellow starts calling.  Of course I don't have the 300mm with
me at the table, so I go back to the car to get it, along
with the monopod and the 1.7xAF adapter.  (The car is only 20
or 30 feet away, so fetching the gear doesn't take too long).
I've just got everything put together, and am setting up to
grab a shot, when the bird flies away.
We decide to sit around and wait for a while to see if he will
come back.  Eventually, though (probably after 20-30 minutes)
it's getting time for Angel to head back to his hotel (and for
me to get home to take my wife out to the Star Trek movie), so
we decide to give up for the day.  I've just got everything
broken down, and the lens back in it's carry case, when our
friend decides to show up again.  So I hastly put everything
back together.  I did remember to set the SR focal length to
500mm, but neglected to change the ISO back to 640 from 100
(and forgot that I've now set ISO up on the second dial in Av
mode, so I left the camera in my usual hyper program mode).
I grabbed a quick couple of shots hand-held before trying to
get the camera on the monopod - one came out quite well,
even though that was 1/50 of a second with a 500mm lens,
but the pose and lighting aren't as good as the shot that
I posted.  Then the bird flew off again, but fortunately
this time he stopped again just a few feet further away.


On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 07:08:08AM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> John,
> That's a hansom bird.  Nice photo.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:54 AM, John Francis  wrote:
> > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:22:15PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sunday, John took Angel and I to a rose garden in San Jose, I
> >> finally had a chance to do a quick sort and process on my
> >> photos. Despite the wind, I got a few decent ones:
> >>
> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157618121808920/
> >>
> >> I'm still going through the 2700 or so shots I took the previous
> >> weekend in Chicago, so I'm wimping out and just doing the gallery
> >> thing. Yes, I know, flickr sucks.
> >>
> >> John, what's the name of the park we were shooting quail in?
> >
> > It was the Bernal-Gulnac-Joice ranch in Santa Terasa County Park.
> >
> > I foolishly left the ISO set to 100, so I wasn't really using a
> > fast enough shutter speed (and had the lens wide open, which isn't
> > really what you want to do when using the AF adapter). ?But I did
> > get one shot of that elusive quail that's not too bad:
> >
> > ? ?http://www.jfwaf.com/PAW/PAW.php?name=PAW0921
> >
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Re: CA correction on the K-7

[Joseph McAllister]

On my Optio Z10 P&S there are several functions that are / can be made  
after the fact, but must be made "in camera".  These are "sharpening"  
"shake reduction" and a handful of "filters" and "corrections".


I would guess that CA reduction and perspective correction could /  
would be done post capture, but prior to offloading the card. After  
all, all the information about the taking lens is there in the  
metadata. It's just a software routine with sub-routines for each lens  
model that it can cover.


It would be nice if over time Pentax did run through the older lenses  
CA / Distortion to update the firmware for A*, F*, FA*, then A, F, and  
FA. And so forth. And a way to tell the camera a bit more than the  
focal length. If not in camera, then perhaps the Pentax software in  
computer could create a file from the corrections you would make to an  
images or three from one of these older lenses to correct for CA &  
Distortion, which could then be loaded into the sub-routine cue of the  
camera's firmware.



On May 20, 2009, at 20:57 , John Francis wrote:


Apparently (from posts on the DPReview forum) this takes
*several seconds* per exposure.  Sounds hard to believe,
but if this is true I guess it's not all that useful.


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Re: Pentax K7

[Joseph McAllister]

On May 20, 2009, at 20:08 , Matthew Miller wrote:


On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:50:30PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
Sounds like they're not aiming to get K20D users to convert en  
masse.
They're going for new users plus owners of older Pentax models who  
hadn't
seen a compelling reason to go for the K20D. (That'd be me, for  
example,

although I was tempted by the higher ISO as well.)
That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher  
spec
K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game changer  
that

some were predicting a few weeks ago.


Nah, I just think they're being realistic about whether they can  
sell a new
camera to every user every year. I'll be very surprised if the new  
camera
later this year isn't aimed to replace the K200D. I think they're  
going to
_try_ to keep the K-7 priced above $1000, so there's room between it  
and the

$500 K2000.

The "game changer" speculations have been wishful thinking for a  
long, long

time. I don't think the economics of it lend any support to the idea,
though.

Although it's worth noting that Adorama actually literally says this:
"The Pentax K-7 is a game changer."
 :)


They also state: "The new flagship of the Pentax line replaces the  
K20D, and although it has a similarly-sized 14.6 CMOS chip like the  
K20D, this isn't a simple rebadged incremental upgrade."


Joseph McAllister
Pentaxian

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Re: Pentax K7

[Scott Loveless]

On 5/20/09, Ken Waller  wrote:
>  Unless there are some earth shaking experiences by list members with the
> K7, I'm not going to jump in.

But, but, but you can video your navel.

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Re: Pentax K7

[paul stenquist]

I won't be disappointed. I just want to be sure that this is the best  
for the foreseeable future before I buy. So Ill probably unload the  
K10 and pick up a K7 at some point in the near future.

Paul
On May 20, 2009, at 11:37 PM, John Francis wrote:


On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:50:30PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:


That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher  
spec
K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game changer  
that

some were predicting a few weeks ago.
Paul


According to a posting on the dpreview forums from JohnCPentax
(who appears to work at Pentax USA) you're going to be disappointed.

The K-7 *is* what was planned as the K30D, so there won't be one.


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CA correction on the K-7

[John Francis]

Apparently (from posts on the DPReview forum) this takes
*several seconds* per exposure.  Sounds hard to believe,
but if this is true I guess it's not all that useful.


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Re: Pentax K7

[John Francis]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:50:30PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
>
> That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher spec 
> K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game changer that 
> some were predicting a few weeks ago.
> Paul

According to a posting on the dpreview forums from JohnCPentax
(who appears to work at Pentax USA) you're going to be disappointed.

The K-7 *is* what was planned as the K30D, so there won't be one.


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Re: Oregon Falls

[Jack Davis]

I'm weak...:(

J

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, John Francis  wrote:

> From: John Francis 
> Subject: Re: Oregon Falls
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 8:13 PM
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 08:12:02PM
> -0700, Jack Davis wrote:
> > 
> > My water was very blue, especially at the edges . . .
> 
> Must  resist     :-)
> 
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Re: whelmed

[Jack Davis]

I was toying with the line "surplus lenses" in response to the T-shirt, I 
believe it is, I've heard about that cleverly states; "You can't have too many 
lenses." Best of luck moving them Bob.
I'd think those lenses will move well for you. I, also, have an A 100mm f/2.8 
Macro that may go on ebay at some point.

Jack

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> From: Bob Sullivan 
> Subject: Re: whelmed
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 6:00 PM
> Jack,
> I've got some duplicates of nice A series lenses - 100/2.8
> macro,
> 300/4, 400/5.6, 85/1.4, & a digital spot meter.
> I'll send them to ebay.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Jack Davis 
> wrote:
> >
> > "Surplus lenses?"
> >
> > J
> >
> > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bob Sullivan 
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Bob Sullivan 
> >> Subject: Re: whelmed
> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 4:39 PM
> >> I've been looking at unloading some
> >> surplus Pentax lenses/cameras to
> >> build a cash balance, but it's a large sum.
> >> Regards,  Bob S.
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Jack Davis 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > A couple days ago, I told my wife, "OK, I
> think you're
> >> right, lets go ahead with the additional kitchen
> remodel you
> >> wanted."
> >> > Don't know if that will take care of both the
> K-7 and
> >> DA*60~250. Must have a back-up plan ready. Hmmm..
> >> >
> >> > Jack
> >> >
> >> > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bruce Dayton 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> From: Bruce Dayton 
> >> >> Subject: Re: whelmed
> >> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> >> >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:42 PM
> >> >> yes, but I WANT to afford it.
> >> >> Gonna have to figure out a way...
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Best regards,
> >> >> Bruce
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:39:20 PM, you
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> CW> Anybody else just getting to their
> emails
> >> today and
> >> >> feeling a bit
> >> >> CW> snowed-under with all the new
> messages
> >> about the new
> >> >> camera that I
> >> >> CW> (you?) can't afford?
> >> >> CW> sigh
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Re: Pentax K7

[Subash]

On Wed, 20 May 2009 20:06:19 -0700
Tim Bray  wrote:

> To be brutally honest, the K20D is a much better camera than I am a
> photographer; the number of pictures where the camera is the limiting
> factor on the quality is pretty small.  Having said that, I have two
> gripes: It's too big and the high-ISO isn't there.  Looks like the K7
> gets one for two.  -T

that's almost exactly what i feel about the K10D i have. saving up to
get the k-7, probably towards the end of the year... :)

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Re: Oregon Falls

[John Francis]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 08:12:02PM -0700, Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> My water was very blue, especially at the edges . . .

Must  resist :-)


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Re: Oregon Falls

[Jack Davis]

My water was very blue, especially at the edges and in the mist at the bottom. 
I desaturated the blue 'til it turned green. 
I admit it's still too blue and, therefore, agree with you. :)

Jack 

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Ken Waller  wrote:

> From: Ken Waller 
> Subject: Re: Oregon Falls
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 5:03 PM
> Nice composition & subject matter
> but I like my white water  - white.  ;'}
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Jack Davis" 
> Subject: PESO: Oregon Falls
> 
> 
> > 
> > Mark's "Friday Walk.." falls shot reminded me of this,
> but not being put up as competition. ;) Taken several years
> ago on Provia 100F.
> > Somewhere in southern Oregon.
> > Don't believe I've put it up here before(?)
> > 
> > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=420
> > 
> > LX, A28~80 f/4.5-5.6
> 
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Re: Pentax K7

[John Francis]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:45:43PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 07:55:00PM -0400, Ken Waller wrote:
> > I'm very happy with my K20D (K10D in reserve) and just don't see enough in 
> > the K7 to get one.
> > I said the same about the K20D when it came out but some high ISO shots by 
> > Paul S. pushed me over the edge.
> 
> In the OK1000 preview (from the blog at
> ),
> Pentax Product Manager Chris Pound is quoted as saying:
> 
>   "We think this will really appeal to K10D or *ist users, classic users,
>   advanced amateurs or budget pros."
> 
> Sounds like they're not aiming to get K20D users to convert en masse.
> They're going for new users plus owners of older Pentax models who hadn't
> seen a compelling reason to go for the K20D. (That'd be me, for example,
> although I was tempted by the higher ISO as well.)

That's me, as well (in several ways) - K10D with a *ist-D as my backup.


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Re: Pentax K7

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:50:30PM -0400, paul stenquist wrote:
>> Sounds like they're not aiming to get K20D users to convert en masse.
>> They're going for new users plus owners of older Pentax models who hadn't
>> seen a compelling reason to go for the K20D. (That'd be me, for example,
>> although I was tempted by the higher ISO as well.)
> That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher spec 
> K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game changer that 
> some were predicting a few weeks ago.

Nah, I just think they're being realistic about whether they can sell a new
camera to every user every year. I'll be very surprised if the new camera
later this year isn't aimed to replace the K200D. I think they're going to
_try_ to keep the K-7 priced above $1000, so there's room between it and the
$500 K2000.

The "game changer" speculations have been wishful thinking for a long, long
time. I don't think the economics of it lend any support to the idea,
though.

Although it's worth noting that Adorama actually literally says this:
"The Pentax K-7 is a game changer."
 :)

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Re: Pentax K7

[Tim Bray]

To be brutally honest, the K20D is a much better camera than I am a
photographer; the number of pictures where the camera is the limiting
factor on the quality is pretty small.  Having said that, I have two
gripes: It's too big and the high-ISO isn't there.  Looks like the K7
gets one for two.  -T

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Re: Pentax K7

[paul stenquist]

On May 20, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:




In the OK1000 preview (from the blog at
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Pentax Product Manager Chris Pound is quoted as saying:

 "We think this will really appeal to K10D or *ist users, classic  
users,

 advanced amateurs or budget pros."

Sounds like they're not aiming to get K20D users to convert en masse.
They're going for new users plus owners of older Pentax models who  
hadn't
seen a compelling reason to go for the K20D. (That'd be me, for  
example,

although I was tempted by the higher ISO as well.)


That kind of thinking leads me to believe we may still see a higher  
spec K30D later this year. The K7 is nice, but it isn't the game  
changer that some were predicting a few weeks ago.

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Re: To The Mountain...

[Bob Sullivan]

Gonz,
My cell is sketchy on the mountain, some spots yes, some spots not.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks for the info.  I looked for something that might indicate
> whether cell phones work at GFM or not.  Do they?
>
> thanks,
>
> gonz
>
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> Gonz wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I got an incredible surprise today.  Seems that my wife and
>>> daughter have been conspiring to send me to the mountain (ok, no jokes
>>> here...cotty  :).  Grandfather Mountain... that is...  They bought a
>>> ticket to NPW and a flight to get there!  I was handed the gift this
>>> morning whilst on a Skype video call with my daughter, who is living
>>> in Germany (she is another pdml member).
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>> http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=58
>>
>> See you there!
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Re: Pentax K7

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 07:55:00PM -0400, Ken Waller wrote:
> I'm very happy with my K20D (K10D in reserve) and just don't see enough in 
> the K7 to get one.
> I said the same about the K20D when it came out but some high ISO shots by 
> Paul S. pushed me over the edge.

In the OK1000 preview (from the blog at
),
Pentax Product Manager Chris Pound is quoted as saying:

  "We think this will really appeal to K10D or *ist users, classic users,
  advanced amateurs or budget pros."

Sounds like they're not aiming to get K20D users to convert en masse.
They're going for new users plus owners of older Pentax models who hadn't
seen a compelling reason to go for the K20D. (That'd be me, for example,
although I was tempted by the higher ISO as well.)


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Re: K-7 composition shift question

[John Francis]

Well, I'm pretty sure it's at least 75mm in diameter :-)

Seriously, though, it depends very much on the lens.  And
even then it's not necessarily a hard-and-fast boundary;
image quality generally tails off as you get to the edges.

Unfortunately it's usually the shorter focal lengths that
are most subject to image circle limitations, and those
tend to be the lenses where shift would be most useful.


On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 09:02:40PM -0500, Nick Wright wrote:
> Sure, do we know how large the image circle of a typical FA645 lens is?
> 
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 08:49:54PM -0500, Nick Wright wrote:
> >> 8-11mm isn't a terrible lot of movement.
> >>
> >> I wonder how difficult it would be to implement a sensor shift of that
> >> magnitude in say a medium format digital body?
> >>
> >> Can you imagine that? It wouldn't give you tilt control (but perhaps
> >> that wouldn't be that hard to put in either?) but just think being
> >> able to apply shift to any lens you put on the body?
> >
> > That only works if the image circle of the lens is large enough,
> > otherwise you're going to have serious vignetting problems.
> >
> > TANSTAAFL.
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Re: whelmed

[paul stenquist]

I figure I'll just put it on ebay a piece at a time. I have five  
lenses and a body. Some of the lenses should bring a fairly good  
dollar. We'll see.

Paul
On May 20, 2009, at 9:50 PM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message -
From: "paul stenquist"
Subject: Re: whelmed



I have a lot of stuff to sell. I just have to get busy with it. I'll
probably dump the 6x7 kit. Haven't used it in ages. Plus a half  
dozen  or
so other lenses. Plenty of stuff wasting space that can generate   
revenue

for new toys.


I'd really like to let my 6x7 kit go, but I have too much of it to  
sell to
one buyer, and buyers aren't making offers so much as slinging  
insults.
Anyway, if anyone wants some nice 6x7 kit, email me off list, I'd  
love to

hear from you.
I suppose that should have waited until Friday.
So it goes.

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Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model

[Bong Manayon]

Who did the posing? The photography part is okay, its her pose that
leaves something to be desired :-D

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> - Original Message -
> From: "mike wilson"
> Subject: Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model
>
>
>
>>
>> It's almost right but there's something I can't quite put my finger
>> on.
>>
>
> I couldn't put my finger on them either
> VW
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Re: To The Mountain...

[Gonz]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the info.  I looked for something that might indicate
whether cell phones work at GFM or not.  Do they?

thanks,

gonz


On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> Gonz wrote:
>>
>> Well, I got an incredible surprise today.  Seems that my wife and
>> daughter have been conspiring to send me to the mountain (ok, no jokes
>> here...cotty  :).  Grandfather Mountain... that is...  They bought a
>> ticket to NPW and a flight to get there!  I was handed the gift this
>> morning whilst on a Skype video call with my daughter, who is living
>> in Germany (she is another pdml member).
>
> http://www.robertstech.com/blog/?p=58
>
> See you there!
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Re: To The Mountain...

[Gonz]

Thanks Dave, I will.


On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 6:35 PM, David Savage  wrote:
>> "A bear maybe, but not another human being."
>>
>> Depends on what sort of bear we're talking about.
>>
>> DS
>
> I wont be there, so every one is on there own.
>
> Gonz, enjoy the weekend, its a blast, even if Cotty wil be there.
>
> Dave
>>
>> 2009/5/17 Cotty :
>>> On 16/5/09, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
 Does anybody have
any room in their tents, RVs, etc?
>>>
>>> Scott gets very lonely in his mansion of a tent. It's so big he can go
>>> for hours in there without seeing another human being. A bear maybe, but
>>> not another human being.
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Re: K-7 composition shift question

[Nick Wright]

Sure, do we know how large the image circle of a typical FA645 lens is?

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 08:49:54PM -0500, Nick Wright wrote:
>> 8-11mm isn't a terrible lot of movement.
>>
>> I wonder how difficult it would be to implement a sensor shift of that
>> magnitude in say a medium format digital body?
>>
>> Can you imagine that? It wouldn't give you tilt control (but perhaps
>> that wouldn't be that hard to put in either?) but just think being
>> able to apply shift to any lens you put on the body?
>
> That only works if the image circle of the lens is large enough,
> otherwise you're going to have serious vignetting problems.
>
> TANSTAAFL.
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Re: K-7 Pictures

[John Francis]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 07:54:43PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
> >From PF.
> 
> http://www.pentax.jp/japan/imaging/digital/slr/k-7/ex.html

Seems to be a little busy at present - I keep getting 404s


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Re: whelmed

[Adam Maas]

The 85 alone should just about pay for a K7D.

-Adam

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Jack,
> I've got some duplicates of nice A series lenses - 100/2.8 macro,
> 300/4, 400/5.6, 85/1.4, & a digital spot meter.
> I'll send them to ebay.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>
>> "Surplus lenses?"
>>
>> J
>>
>> --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>>
>>> From: Bob Sullivan 
>>> Subject: Re: whelmed
>>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 4:39 PM
>>> I've been looking at unloading some
>>> surplus Pentax lenses/cameras to
>>> build a cash balance, but it's a large sum.
>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Jack Davis 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > A couple days ago, I told my wife, "OK, I think you're
>>> right, lets go ahead with the additional kitchen remodel you
>>> wanted."
>>> > Don't know if that will take care of both the K-7 and
>>> DA*60~250. Must have a back-up plan ready. Hmmm..
>>> >
>>> > Jack
>>> >
>>> > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bruce Dayton 
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>>> >> From: Bruce Dayton 
>>> >> Subject: Re: whelmed
>>> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>>> >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:42 PM
>>> >> yes, but I WANT to afford it.
>>> >> Gonna have to figure out a way...
>>> >>
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Re: K-7 composition shift question

[John Francis]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 08:49:54PM -0500, Nick Wright wrote:
> 8-11mm isn't a terrible lot of movement.
> 
> I wonder how difficult it would be to implement a sensor shift of that
> magnitude in say a medium format digital body?
> 
> Can you imagine that? It wouldn't give you tilt control (but perhaps
> that wouldn't be that hard to put in either?) but just think being
> able to apply shift to any lens you put on the body?

That only works if the image circle of the lens is large enough,
otherwise you're going to have serious vignetting problems.

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K-7 Pictures

[William Robb]

>From PF.

http://www.pentax.jp/japan/imaging/digital/slr/k-7/ex.html


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Re: whelmed

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "paul stenquist"
Subject: Re: whelmed


>I have a lot of stuff to sell. I just have to get busy with it. I'll 
>probably dump the 6x7 kit. Haven't used it in ages. Plus a half dozen  or 
>so other lenses. Plenty of stuff wasting space that can generate  revenue 
>for new toys.

I'd really like to let my 6x7 kit go, but I have too much of it to sell to 
one buyer, and buyers aren't making offers so much as slinging insults.
Anyway, if anyone wants some nice 6x7 kit, email me off list, I'd love to 
hear from you.
I suppose that should have waited until Friday.
So it goes.

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Re: K-7 composition shift question

[Nick Wright]

8-11mm isn't a terrible lot of movement.

I wonder how difficult it would be to implement a sensor shift of that
magnitude in say a medium format digital body?

Can you imagine that? It wouldn't give you tilt control (but perhaps
that wouldn't be that hard to put in either?) but just think being
able to apply shift to any lens you put on the body?

As much as I love to shoot old buildings I would think that would be a
huge feature.

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:16 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 8-11m  8 meters is a lot of shift!  (I think you meant /mm/ )
>
> Adam Maas wrote:
>>
>> 8-11m on most 35mm or MF format SLR lenses, several cm to several
>> inches on a large format camera.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Nick Wright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> After I posted the question I saw the imaging resources page which
>>> says I believe that the sensor can be shifted 2mm up or down.
>>>
>>> On a shift lens what kind of travel is there?
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:49 PM, P. J. Alling 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 I doubt that there's enough shift involved to do that.

 Nick Wright wrote:

>
> So this new feature that allows you to shift the sensor for
> composition.
>
> Would that allow you to use the sensor in a similar (though very
> limited) way as a shift lens? Could you use that function to correct a
> slight amount of keystoning in architecture for example?
>
>
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Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "paul stenquist"
Subject: Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model


>I don't like this one as much as the other. Looks like she needs to  wash 
>her hair.

I shot several of this, and really, I don't like any of them. I'm not happy 
with the light, I hate white backgrounds (her choice, not mine), and the 
pose is kinda goofy.
The previous picture had her grabbing her hair up into a bun, so she totally 
ruined her 'do just before this one. I think we were both tired, probably 
should have stopped 15 minutes earlier.

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Re: K7 From Washington Post

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph McAllister" 


The introductory video from Pentax Imaging USA shows this and many
other features working. I watched it from the video bar link at the
top of
 - http://pentaxdslrs.blogspot.com/


Hey, thanks for posting the video, Joe.  Really enjoyed seeing that.  I had 
my husband watch it with me.  ;-)  Cheers, Christine 




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Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model

[paul stenquist]

I don't like this one as much as the other. Looks like she needs to  
wash her hair.

Paul
On May 20, 2009, at 8:26 PM, William Robb wrote:



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From: "Scott Loveless"
Subject: Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model




Wonderful portrait, Bill.  Where's the topless shot?



Thanks Scott.

I wouldn't show this to just anyone, but for you
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/studio/jessie/jes02.html


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Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model

[paul stenquist]

Very nice lighting and rendering. Well done.
Paul
On May 20, 2009, at 9:12 PM, John Francis wrote:



I think it would be improved with a few less layers ...

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 07:46:47AM +0800, David Savage wrote:

Layered goodness ftw!!

I like the lights...ahhh...I mean lighting.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/5/21 William Robb :

Meet Jessie:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/studio/jessie/jes01.html

Techie stuff:
K20 at iso 100
DA*55/1.4 at f/6.3.
Overprocessing by Imagenomic and many, many layers of goodness.

This lens really hits it's stride in 3/4 length portraits such as  
this.


Comments, sexist drivel, it's all welcome.

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Re: whelmed

[paul stenquist]

I have a lot of stuff to sell. I just have to get busy with it. I'll  
probably dump the 6x7 kit. Haven't used it in ages. Plus a half dozen  
or so other lenses. Plenty of stuff wasting space that can generate  
revenue for new toys.

Paul
On May 20, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:


Jack,
I've got some duplicates of nice A series lenses - 100/2.8 macro,
300/4, 400/5.6, 85/1.4, & a digital spot meter.
I'll send them to ebay.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Jack Davis   
wrote:


"Surplus lenses?"

J

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bob Sullivan  wrote:


From: Bob Sullivan 
Subject: Re: whelmed
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 4:39 PM
I've been looking at unloading some
surplus Pentax lenses/cameras to
build a cash balance, but it's a large sum.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Jack Davis 
wrote:


A couple days ago, I told my wife, "OK, I think you're

right, lets go ahead with the additional kitchen remodel you
wanted."

Don't know if that will take care of both the K-7 and

DA*60~250. Must have a back-up plan ready. Hmmm..


Jack

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From: Bruce Dayton 
Subject: Re: whelmed
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yes, but I WANT to afford it.
Gonna have to figure out a way...

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Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model

[Larry Colen]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 06:26:25PM -0600, William Robb wrote:
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Scott Loveless"

> > Wonderful portrait, Bill.  Where's the topless shot?
> >
> 
> Thanks Scott.
> 
> I wouldn't show this to just anyone, but for you
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/studio/jessie/jes02.html

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Re: K-7 composition shift question

[P. J. Alling]

8-11m  8 meters is a lot of shift!  (I think you meant /mm/ )

Adam Maas wrote:

8-11m on most 35mm or MF format SLR lenses, several cm to several
inches on a large format camera.

-Adam

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Nick Wright  wrote:
  

After I posted the question I saw the imaging resources page which
says I believe that the sensor can be shifted 2mm up or down.

On a shift lens what kind of travel is there?

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:49 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:


I doubt that there's enough shift involved to do that.

Nick Wright wrote:
  

So this new feature that allows you to shift the sensor for composition.

Would that allow you to use the sensor in a similar (though very
limited) way as a shift lens? Could you use that function to correct a
slight amount of keystoning in architecture for example?




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Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model

[John Francis]

I think it would be improved with a few less layers ...

On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 07:46:47AM +0800, David Savage wrote:
> Layered goodness ftw!!
> 
> I like the lights...ahhh...I mean lighting.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave
> 
> 2009/5/21 William Robb :
> > Meet Jessie:
> >
> > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/studio/jessie/jes01.html
> >
> > Techie stuff:
> > K20 at iso 100
> > DA*55/1.4 at f/6.3.
> > Overprocessing by Imagenomic and many, many layers of goodness.
> >
> > This lens really hits it's stride in 3/4 length portraits such as this.
> >
> > Comments, sexist drivel, it's all welcome.
> >
> > William Robb
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Re: whelmed

[John Francis]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 06:39:42PM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> I've been looking at unloading some surplus Pentax lenses/cameras to
> build a cash balance, but it's a large sum.
> Regards,  Bob S.

It is.  Fortunately I've got a birthday present to cover some of it,
plus some money from selling older stuff, and several brownie points
left over from not buying a K20D when they came out.

But while that covers the K-7, there isn't enough credit left in the
allowance to get the 60-250 as well (especially since I've already
managed to squeeze the 16-50 and 50-135 past the audit committee).


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Re: whelmed

[Scott Loveless]

On 5/20/09, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
> Jack,
>  I've got some duplicates of nice A series lenses - 100/2.8 macro,
>  300/4, 400/5.6, 85/1.4, & a digital spot meter.
>  I'll send them to ebay.

Perhaps you should drag them to GFM before you send them to eekBay.

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Re: K-7 composition shift question

[Adam Maas]

mm of course, my bad;-)

-Adam

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM, John Francis  wrote:
>
> Impressive - that would put it in the next room.  :-)
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 08:59:02PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:
>> 8-11m on most 35mm or MF format SLR lenses, several cm to several
>> inches on a large format camera.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Nick Wright  
>> wrote:
>> > After I posted the question I saw the imaging resources page which
>> > says I believe that the sensor can be shifted 2mm up or down.
>> >
>> > On a shift lens what kind of travel is there?
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:49 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>> >> I doubt that there's enough shift involved to do that.
>> >>
>> >> Nick Wright wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> So this new feature that allows you to shift the sensor for composition.
>> >>>
>> >>> Would that allow you to use the sensor in a similar (though very
>> >>> limited) way as a shift lens? Could you use that function to correct a
>> >>> slight amount of keystoning in architecture for example?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or
>> >> drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a
>> >> damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he 
>> >> is
>> >> not a free man any more than a dog.
>> >>
>> >> ? ? ? ?--G. K. Chesterton
>> >>

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Re: K-7 composition shift question

[John Francis]

Impressive - that would put it in the next room.  :-)


On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 08:59:02PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote:
> 8-11m on most 35mm or MF format SLR lenses, several cm to several
> inches on a large format camera.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Nick Wright  wrote:
> > After I posted the question I saw the imaging resources page which
> > says I believe that the sensor can be shifted 2mm up or down.
> >
> > On a shift lens what kind of travel is there?
> >
> > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:49 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> >> I doubt that there's enough shift involved to do that.
> >>
> >> Nick Wright wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So this new feature that allows you to shift the sensor for composition.
> >>>
> >>> Would that allow you to use the sensor in a similar (though very
> >>> limited) way as a shift lens? Could you use that function to correct a
> >>> slight amount of keystoning in architecture for example?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >>
> >> The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or
> >> drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a
> >> damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is
> >> not a free man any more than a dog.
> >>
> >> ? ? ? ?--G. K. Chesterton
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Re: whelmed

[Bob Sullivan]

Jack,
I've got some duplicates of nice A series lenses - 100/2.8 macro,
300/4, 400/5.6, 85/1.4, & a digital spot meter.
I'll send them to ebay.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>
> "Surplus lenses?"
>
> J
>
> --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
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>> From: Bob Sullivan 
>> Subject: Re: whelmed
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 4:39 PM
>> I've been looking at unloading some
>> surplus Pentax lenses/cameras to
>> build a cash balance, but it's a large sum.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Jack Davis 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > A couple days ago, I told my wife, "OK, I think you're
>> right, lets go ahead with the additional kitchen remodel you
>> wanted."
>> > Don't know if that will take care of both the K-7 and
>> DA*60~250. Must have a back-up plan ready. Hmmm..
>> >
>> > Jack
>> >
>> > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bruce Dayton 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Bruce Dayton 
>> >> Subject: Re: whelmed
>> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:42 PM
>> >> yes, but I WANT to afford it.
>> >> Gonna have to figure out a way...
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Bruce
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:39:20 PM, you wrote:
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>> >> CW> Anybody else just getting to their emails
>> today and
>> >> feeling a bit
>> >> CW> snowed-under with all the new messages
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Re: K-7 composition shift question

[Adam Maas]

8-11m on most 35mm or MF format SLR lenses, several cm to several
inches on a large format camera.

-Adam

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Nick Wright  wrote:
> After I posted the question I saw the imaging resources page which
> says I believe that the sensor can be shifted 2mm up or down.
>
> On a shift lens what kind of travel is there?
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:49 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>> I doubt that there's enough shift involved to do that.
>>
>> Nick Wright wrote:
>>>
>>> So this new feature that allows you to shift the sensor for composition.
>>>
>>> Would that allow you to use the sensor in a similar (though very
>>> limited) way as a shift lens? Could you use that function to correct a
>>> slight amount of keystoning in architecture for example?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>>
>> The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or
>> drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a
>> damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is
>> not a free man any more than a dog.
>>
>>        --G. K. Chesterton
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Re: Paean to Ken Rockwell

[Scott Loveless]

On 5/20/09, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> That's a lot of scrolling for a Har!
>
>  May I lend you my snippers?
>

























































What?

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Re: OT PESO - Ummm....

[Mark Roberts]

David Savage wrote:

>Mind you given how much weight I've lost it doesn't fit me all that well 
>either.

You in training for GFM 2010? Come on, you know you want to!
;-)


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Re: K7 From Washington Post

[Mark Roberts]

Brian Walters wrote:

>That's all very well, but what will I have to complain about in my PESO
>comments if everyone gets their horizons ...er, horizontal?
>
>:-)>

That's OK. The new feature will make sure the sensor's *level*, but
that's not necessarily in line with the horizon unless you're shooting
a seascape. I shoot in mountains a lot and I can tell you from
experience that what's level and what *looks* level can be very
different. It's usually the latter that I want :)


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Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Loveless"
Subject: Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model



> Wonderful portrait, Bill.  Where's the topless shot?
>

Thanks Scott.

I wouldn't show this to just anyone, but for you
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/studio/jessie/jes02.html


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Re: Paean to Ken Rockwell

[Ken Waller]

At least there was a Har !

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph McAllister" 

Subject: Re: Paean to Ken Rockwell


That's a lot of scrolling for a Har!

May I lend you my snippers?

On May 20, 2009, at 09:29 , frank theriault wrote:

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi   
wrote:
May I preface this that I don't know Ken Rockwell, I've never been  
to his
website, and I only know of him through the continuous jibes and  
guffaws
posted on the PDML (and through my brother). But when I saw this on  
DPR in
one of the forums, I had to laugh ... Only a true genius would have  
such

amazing name recognition ...

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Ken Rockwell never starts, he continues.


Har!

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Re: whelmed

[P. J. Alling]

On the PDML heavens forfend...

Jack Davis wrote:

"Surplus lenses?"

J

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

  

From: Bob Sullivan 
Subject: Re: whelmed
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 4:39 PM
I've been looking at unloading some
surplus Pentax lenses/cameras to
build a cash balance, but it's a large sum.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Jack Davis 
wrote:


A couple days ago, I told my wife, "OK, I think you're
  

right, lets go ahead with the additional kitchen remodel you
wanted."


Don't know if that will take care of both the K-7 and
  

DA*60~250. Must have a back-up plan ready. Hmmm..


Jack

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bruce Dayton 
  

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From: Bruce Dayton 
Subject: Re: whelmed
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:42 PM
yes, but I WANT to afford it.
Gonna have to figure out a way...

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Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:39:20 PM, you wrote:

CW> Anybody else just getting to their emails


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Re: Pentax K7

[P. J. Alling]

P. J. Alling wrote:
I'm waiting for the model that comes with an inflatable dock for my 
Ruby Yacht...

Forgot to sign.

Omar.



mike wilson wrote:

Bob W wrote:



Pentax - the camera with the Khan-do attitude, and a pop-up yurt.

Genghis


I'm going to wait for the model with the pop-up pleasure dome.

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Re: Another Day, Another Model

[Ken Waller]

Wonderful lighting - the subjects not bad either.

Kenneth Waller
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From: "William Robb" 

Subject: Peso: Another Day, Another Model



Meet Jessie:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/studio/jessie/jes01.html

Techie stuff:
K20 at iso 100
DA*55/1.4 at f/6.3.
Overprocessing by Imagenomic and many, many layers of goodness.

This lens really hits it's stride in 3/4 length portraits such as this.

Comments, sexist drivel, it's all welcome.

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Re: K-7 composition shift question

[Nick Wright]

After I posted the question I saw the imaging resources page which
says I believe that the sensor can be shifted 2mm up or down.

On a shift lens what kind of travel is there?

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:49 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> I doubt that there's enough shift involved to do that.
>
> Nick Wright wrote:
>>
>> So this new feature that allows you to shift the sensor for composition.
>>
>> Would that allow you to use the sensor in a similar (though very
>> limited) way as a shift lens? Could you use that function to correct a
>> slight amount of keystoning in architecture for example?
>>
>>
>
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Re: Oregon Falls

[Ken Waller]

Nice composition & subject matter but I like my white water  - white.  ;'}

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis" 

Subject: PESO: Oregon Falls




Mark's "Friday Walk.." falls shot reminded me of this, but not being put 
up as competition. ;) Taken several years ago on Provia 100F.

Somewhere in southern Oregon.
Don't believe I've put it up here before(?)

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=420

LX, A28~80 f/4.5-5.6



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Re: whelmed

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis"
Subject: Re: whelmed


>
> Geeze, Bill, I'm not sure a wanta know. :( However, if all else fails
>

It's how we turn a 3K bathroom into a 5K bathroom with no extra cost to the 
contractor.
That should give you enough for the K7 and a little left over.

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Re: Pentax K7

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Waller"
Subject: Re: Pentax K7


>
> Unless there are some earth shaking experiences by list members with the 
> K7, I'm not going to jump in.
>

Fine, be a stick in the mud.
VW 



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Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model

[Scott Loveless]

On 5/20/09, frank theriault  wrote:
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:58 PM, William Robb  wrote:
>  > Meet Jessie:
>  >
>  > http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/studio/jessie/jes01.html
>  >
>  > Techie stuff:
>  > K20 at iso 100
>  > DA*55/1.4 at f/6.3.
>  > Overprocessing by Imagenomic and many, many layers of goodness.
>  >
>  > This lens really hits it's stride in 3/4 length portraits such as this.
>  >
>  > Comments, sexist drivel, it's all welcome.
>
>
> Such a rough life you lead out there on the prairies!
>
>  ;-)
>
>  Seriously, that's a wonderful portrait.
>
>  And no, I won't lower myself to sexist drivel.  We have Scott for that.

I don't know what the heck you're talking about Knarf.

Wonderful portrait, Bill.  Where's the topless shot?

-- 
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Re: Pentax K7

[pnstenquist]

I like it. I just want to be sure that it's the best we'll get for a while 
before I buy one. 
Paul
- "John Francis"  wrote:

> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:26:53PM -0500, Nick Wright wrote:
> > Good Lord! After months of torturing us with rumors and speculation
> > about the camera they've JUST ANNOUNCED TODAY, you all are ALREADY
> > yabbering about the NEXT camera! Does it ever end!?!!?!
> > 
> > *winkwink*
> 
> Never.  Where would we be without something to complain about?
> 
> So far I've seen people who think the camera is underwhelming,
> and others who think the price is out of consideration.  (Perhaps
> this means Pentax are doing it right - it's better this way than
> if all the complaints are in agreement as to just what is wrong).
> 
> But, mostly, people (especially here) seem to like what we see.
> Sure, there are a handful of minor upgrades that could be handy
> (1/250 flash sync, 8fps, 1080p video, 2nd SD card slot, ...),
> but in general it looks close to the camera people seem to want.
> 
> I look forward to hearing the reports from the folks at GFM, but
> I'm already pretty certain that I'll be ordering a K-7 + D-BG4
> as soon as B&H start taking orders. They've got a page for the
> camera, but at present there's no button to place an order).
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Re: Pentax K7

[Ken Waller]

I'm very happy with my K20D (K10D in reserve) and just don't see enough in 
the K7 to get one.
I said the same about the K20D when it came out but some high ISO shots by 
Paul S. pushed me over the edge.


Unless there are some earth shaking experiences by list members with the K7, 
I'm not going to jump in.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: "John Francis" 

Subject: Re: Pentax K7



On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:26:53PM -0500, Nick Wright wrote:

Good Lord! After months of torturing us with rumors and speculation
about the camera they've JUST ANNOUNCED TODAY, you all are ALREADY
yabbering about the NEXT camera! Does it ever end!?!!?!

*winkwink*


Never.  Where would we be without something to complain about?

So far I've seen people who think the camera is underwhelming,
and others who think the price is out of consideration.  (Perhaps
this means Pentax are doing it right - it's better this way than
if all the complaints are in agreement as to just what is wrong).

But, mostly, people (especially here) seem to like what we see.
Sure, there are a handful of minor upgrades that could be handy
(1/250 flash sync, 8fps, 1080p video, 2nd SD card slot, ...),
but in general it looks close to the camera people seem to want.

I look forward to hearing the reports from the folks at GFM, but
I'm already pretty certain that I'll be ordering a K-7 + D-BG4
as soon as B&H start taking orders. They've got a page for the
camera, but at present there's no button to place an order).



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Re: whelmed

[Jack Davis]

"Surplus lenses?"

J

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bob Sullivan  wrote:

> From: Bob Sullivan 
> Subject: Re: whelmed
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 4:39 PM
> I've been looking at unloading some
> surplus Pentax lenses/cameras to
> build a cash balance, but it's a large sum.
> Regards,  Bob S.
> 
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Jack Davis 
> wrote:
> >
> > A couple days ago, I told my wife, "OK, I think you're
> right, lets go ahead with the additional kitchen remodel you
> wanted."
> > Don't know if that will take care of both the K-7 and
> DA*60~250. Must have a back-up plan ready. Hmmm..
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bruce Dayton 
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Bruce Dayton 
> >> Subject: Re: whelmed
> >> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> >> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:42 PM
> >> yes, but I WANT to afford it.
> >> Gonna have to figure out a way...
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >>
> >> Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:39:20 PM, you wrote:
> >>
> >> CW> Anybody else just getting to their emails
> today and
> >> feeling a bit
> >> CW> snowed-under with all the new messages
> about the new
> >> camera that I
> >> CW> (you?) can't afford?
> >> CW> sigh
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Re: whelmed

[Jack Davis]

Geeze, Bill, I'm not sure a wanta know. :( However, if all else fails

Jack

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, William Robb  wrote:

> From: William Robb 
> Subject: Re: whelmed
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 4:10 PM
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jack Davis"
> Subject: Re: whelmed
> 
> 
> 
> A couple days ago, I told my wife, "OK, I think you're
> right, lets go ahead 
> with the additional kitchen remodel you wanted."
> Don't know if that will take care of both the K-7 and
> DA*60~250. Must have a 
> back-up plan ready. Hmmm..
> 
> 
> If you like, I can tell you how to fake a really bad case
> of bathroom mold.
> 
> William Robb 
> 
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Re: OT PESO - Ummm....

[Joseph McAllister]

On May 20, 2009, at 16:37 , David Savage wrote:


From: "David Savage"

Subject: OT PESO - Ummm



...err...(~95kb):



:-)



A meeting of the local KKK chapter?


:-)

That's my hoody on someone considerably smaller than me.

Mind you given how much weight I've lost it doesn't fit me all that  
well either.


I thought you were trying to draw our attention to the shadow, you  
prick!


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Re: K-7 composition shift question

[P. J. Alling]

I doubt that there's enough shift involved to do that.

Nick Wright wrote:

So this new feature that allows you to shift the sensor for composition.

Would that allow you to use the sensor in a similar (though very
limited) way as a shift lens? Could you use that function to correct a
slight amount of keystoning in architecture for example?

  



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Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model

[David Savage]

Layered goodness ftw!!

I like the lights...ahhh...I mean lighting.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/5/21 William Robb :
> Meet Jessie:
>
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/studio/jessie/jes01.html
>
> Techie stuff:
> K20 at iso 100
> DA*55/1.4 at f/6.3.
> Overprocessing by Imagenomic and many, many layers of goodness.
>
> This lens really hits it's stride in 3/4 length portraits such as this.
>
> Comments, sexist drivel, it's all welcome.
>
> William Robb

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Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model

[Bob Sullivan]

That's lovely Bill.  She looks absolutely fetching too!  She should be
very pleased.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:26 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> William Robb wrote:
>
>> Meet Jessie:
>>
>> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/studio/jessie/jes01.html
>>
>> Techie stuff:
>> K20 at iso 100
>> DA*55/1.4 at f/6.3.
>> Overprocessing by Imagenomic and many, many layers of goodness.
>>
>> This lens really hits it's stride in 3/4 length portraits such as this.
>>
>> Comments, sexist drivel, it's all welcome.
>
> It's almost right but there's something I can't quite put my finger on.
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Re: Pentax K7

[Anthony Farr]

I see dpreview still photographs reflective surfaces, IOW lenses, with
umbrellas.  When oh when oh when will they they get a soft box or
beauty dish,or even just hang a diffuser in front of a standard
reflector?  It's not like they just started up and are 'making do'
while they get established.  I suspect it's just laziness on their
part.

regards, Anthony

2009/5/21 Dario Bonazza :
> http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxk7/
>
> Dario
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Re: Pentax K7

[P. J. Alling]

I'm waiting for the model that comes with an inflatable dock for my Ruby 
Yacht...


mike wilson wrote:

Bob W wrote:



Pentax - the camera with the Khan-do attitude, and a pop-up yurt.

Genghis


I'm going to wait for the model with the pop-up pleasure dome.

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Re: whelmed

[David Savage]

If I was in the market I'd get one no doubt.

I'll be interested to hear the hands on opinions of list members who
get one when it becomes available.

Cheers,

Dave

2009/5/21 Cory Waters :
> Anybody else just getting to their emails today and feeling a bit
> snowed-under with all the new messages about the new camera that I (you?)
> can't afford?
> sigh

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Re: whelmed

[Bob Sullivan]

I've been looking at unloading some surplus Pentax lenses/cameras to
build a cash balance, but it's a large sum.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>
> A couple days ago, I told my wife, "OK, I think you're right, lets go ahead 
> with the additional kitchen remodel you wanted."
> Don't know if that will take care of both the K-7 and DA*60~250. Must have a 
> back-up plan ready. Hmmm..
>
> Jack
>
> --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bruce Dayton  wrote:
>
>> From: Bruce Dayton 
>> Subject: Re: whelmed
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:42 PM
>> yes, but I WANT to afford it.
>> Gonna have to figure out a way...
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:39:20 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> CW> Anybody else just getting to their emails today and
>> feeling a bit
>> CW> snowed-under with all the new messages about the new
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>> CW> (you?) can't afford?
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Re: K7 From Washington Post

[Joseph McAllister]

On May 20, 2009, at 14:52 , John Francis wrote:


On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 02:36:04PM -0700, Bruce Dayton wrote:

Saw this little blurb in the Washington Post online:

"The K-7 also has a unique, nifty feature that uses the camera's
accelerometers to create an "electronic level" for perfectly straight
shots. Depending on the tilt of the camera, a read-out on the  
camera's

screen shows the user whether the K-7 is perfectly level or slightly
tilted to one side."


That is kind of cool sounding.


Even cooler is the capability to use the shake-reduction activators
to rotate the sensor to automatically correct for a slight tilt.
No more tilted horizons!


It may even do that automatically if it already knows what "level"  
is.  A boon to me for sure.


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Re: Peso: Another Day, Another Model

[P. J. Alling]

Drivel, surely you jest. 


frank theriault wrote:

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:58 PM, William Robb  wrote:
  

Meet Jessie:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/studio/jessie/jes01.html

Techie stuff:
K20 at iso 100
DA*55/1.4 at f/6.3.
Overprocessing by Imagenomic and many, many layers of goodness.

This lens really hits it's stride in 3/4 length portraits such as this.

Comments, sexist drivel, it's all welcome.



Such a rough life you lead out there on the prairies!

;-)

Seriously, that's a wonderful portrait.

And no, I won't lower myself to sexist drivel.  We have Scott for that.

;-)

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Re: whelmed

[Bruce Walker]

Cory Waters wrote:
Anybody else just getting to their emails today and feeling a bit 
snowed-under with all the new messages about the new camera that I 
(you?) can't afford?

sigh


Well there's underwhelmed and overwhelmed, both of which are bad, so I 
figure that being whelmed is just right. :-)


Matter of fact, I *can* afford the K-7 ... but I'm not going to buy one 
now. My money would be better spent on a DA* 55 or maybe the 60-250.


I spent 18 months working with a K100Ds, first learning how to make it 
work, then learning how to get the most out of it. When I finally felt 
that it was holding me back in a few ways I bought a K20D. I'm only 
about 3 months into the learning curve with this miracle of photographic 
technology and I'm probably good for another 12-18 months before I need 
to think about adding a K-7 to the kit.


I'm really excited that Pentax has produced this little wonder. It means 
that my gripe about shutter noise and size/weight can be easily fixed 
anytime just by getting it. But more importantly it also means that 
Pentax has vitality and will less likely disappear, forcing me to have 
to replace everything with Nikon gear. It will likely add more Pentax 
owners to the user-base which helps us all.


I don't mind all the hoopla at all.

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Re: OT PESO - Ummm....

[David Savage]

2009/5/21 William Robb :
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Savage"
>
> Subject: OT PESO - Ummm
>
>
>> ...err...(~95kb):
>>
>> 
>>
>> :-)
>>
>
> A meeting of the local KKK chapter?

:-)

That's my hoody on someone considerably smaller than me.

Mind you given how much weight I've lost it doesn't fit me all that well either.

Cheers,

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Re: K7 From Washington Post

[Joseph McAllister]

On May 20, 2009, at 14:36 , Bruce Dayton wrote:


Saw this little blurb in the Washington Post online:

"The K-7 also has a unique, nifty feature that uses the camera's
accelerometers to create an "electronic level" for perfectly straight
shots. Depending on the tilt of the camera, a read-out on the camera's
screen shows the user whether the K-7 is perfectly level or slightly
tilted to one side."


That is kind of cool sounding.


The introductory video from Pentax Imaging USA shows this and many  
other features working. I watched it from the video bar link at the  
top of

 - http://pentaxdslrs.blogspot.com/

If it doesn’t excite you,
This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
Would it excite me?
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Re: OT PESO - Ummm....

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "David Savage"

Subject: OT PESO - Ummm


> ...err...(~95kb):
>
> 
>
> :-)
>

A meeting of the local KKK chapter?

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Re: Pentax K7

[Joseph McAllister]

On May 20, 2009, at 13:57 , Adam Maas wrote:

Well lookee this, right here in my desk drawer I have a Macbook to  
HDMI

connector. A 13" HD screen for my future K7.

:-)


Joseph McAllister


Good idea, but that's an output, not an input on the MacBook.


Damn!   I knew that!  (once upon a time)(thanks once more Adam)


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OT PESO - Ummm....

[David Savage]

...err...(~95kb):



:-)

Cheers,

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Re: K7 From Washington Post

[David Savage]

HAR!

:-)

Dave

2009/5/21 Brian Walters :
> That's all very well, but what will I have to complain about in my PESO
> comments if everyone gets their horizons ...er, horizontal?
>
> :-)>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
>
> On Wed, 20 May 2009 15:17 -0700, "Jack Davis" 
> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I could use that feature. I spend time cropping to level. ;)
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bruce Dayton  wrote:
>>
>> > From: Bruce Dayton 
>> > Subject: K7 From Washington Post
>> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
>> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 2:36 PM
>> > Saw this little blurb in the
>> > Washington Post online:
>> >
>> > "The K-7 also has a unique, nifty feature that uses the
>> > camera's
>> > accelerometers to create an "electronic level" for
>> > perfectly straight
>> > shots. Depending on the tilt of the camera, a read-out on
>> > the camera's
>> > screen shows the user whether the K-7 is perfectly level or
>> > slightly
>> > tilted to one side."
>> >
>> >
>> > That is kind of cool sounding.
>> >
>> >
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Re: Pentax K7

[Douglas Smith]

Well Pentax UK now have the K7 in their products

http://www.pentax.co.uk/en/product/17531/body/overview/Photo_Digital_SLR.html



Joseph McAllister wrote:
Don't know if others have figured out the dpreview page that Dario 
pointed us to, but it has 12 sections of from 2 to 5 pages each 
(printed on A4) that give sooo much information as to be overwhelming, 
even for a K20 user. The selections are made from the top of the page.


On May 20, 2009, at 07:07 , Dario Bonazza wrote:


http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxk7/

Dario


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Re: PESO: Jaquita

[P. J. Alling]

Yes it sounds nuclear powered, and possibly a little bit dangerously 
radioactive, just for fun...


frank theriault wrote:

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Walter Hamler  wrote:
  

Thanks Frank. I was maybe 19 or 20 when I shot that. 2.25" Bronica S,
Panatomic-X film.



Is that like the coolest name for a film ever?  When I was a kid I
thought so, anyway.

:-)

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Re: whelmed

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis"
Subject: Re: whelmed



A couple days ago, I told my wife, "OK, I think you're right, lets go ahead 
with the additional kitchen remodel you wanted."
Don't know if that will take care of both the K-7 and DA*60~250. Must have a 
back-up plan ready. Hmmm..


If you like, I can tell you how to fake a really bad case of bathroom mold.

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Re: K-7 composition shift question

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Graydon"
Subject: Re: K-7 composition shift question



>
> Or maybe I'm just confused, and I'm not sure I can manage ASCII art
> diagrams for the first couple floors being right here, nicely parallel
> to the sensor, and the top two floors, fifteen floors above those first
> two floors, not being (in perspective) parallel, although actually in
> parallel unless it's a very funky building.

Ok, lets presume that it's a perfect world, because it makes the explanation 
easier.

The walls of the building are perpendicular to the absolutely level ground 
you are standing on.
If the sensor/film is also perpendicular to the ground, it will be parallel 
to the walls of the building.
In this scenario, there will be no keystoning.
Keystoning (actually, I think this is when the building appears to be tilted 
forwards due to over correction, but I'll happily misuse the term because 
it's one that doesn't see the light of day often enough) arises when the 
building is taller than the lens in use can capture, and so the camera must 
be tilted upwards to capture the netire building. As soon as that happens, 
the building will have the falling over backwards look.
The ways to correct it are: back off far enough that you get the entire 
building in the picture without having to tilt the camera, and then crop out 
the forground, or move the lens up or film/sensor downwards (with the camera 
set up square and perpendicular to the ground) or a combination of the two 
to get the entire building in the picture (generally this is a view camera 
thing, rarely do shift lenses have enough movement), or take the picture 
with the camera tilted upwards and correct the image during processing, 
either with the transform perspective tool in Photoshop (or whatever passes 
for the same thing in the software you are using) or if you are shooting 
film, tilt the easel to correct the image (only works if the mage is only 
slightly skewed due to depth of focus considerations).

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Re: Pentax K7

[Joseph McAllister]

On May 20, 2009, at 13:00 , William Robb wrote:


William Robb wrote:


Finally, a 100% viewfinder. This will be a joy after years of using
innacurate viewfinders. I think the last accurate finder I used  
was in my

Nikon F3. Even the LX isn't 100%.


How can any optical viewfinder be accurate when the sensor floats?


One presumes that the camera knows where the sensor is at any given  
time and
adjusts accordingly. I think if it didn't, sensor deflection based  
shake

reduction would be rather an epic fail of magnificent proportions.


It's not going to adjust your view through the viewfinder, only on the  
LCD in Live View.


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Re: PESO - Wet Wedding Day

[Doug Franklin]

frank theriault wrote:

I think I "just missed this one" insofar as I wish the two pedestrians
walking away had more separation from the subjects, but they (the
subjects) moved just after I snapped this first and only shot.  Had I
the time I would have also liked to open the aperture a fair bit to
get that background a bit more OOF.  Your opinion as to whether the
result is acceptable will be valued:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/05/wet-wedding-day.html


Actually, I kinda like the peds walking away ... especially that the 
line of "her" right arm more or less aligns with the curve of the 
groom's back.  I'd also try cropping it a couple of ways, too ... take 
the left off to the leftmost "grounding" of the ?concrete? arch in the 
background ... take the top off down to about the topmost window on the 
foreground building to the right ... both ... maybe some others.  The 
tree seems to pull my eyes to the left more than it should.  Whether 
it's acceptable depends on your goals.


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Re: K-7 - check ricehigh blog, folks... photos and specs...

[Doug Franklin]

Charles Robinson wrote:

But who cares, really?  I want one of them K7s regardless of what the 
plug looks like or works like.


I agree.  I'm likely to skip the K20D for the K7, but if I do that I'll 
wait six months or a year until the K7 price gets more palatable.  If I 
spend that much on the camera, there's no way I'll have the cash any 
time soon for the longer lenses, like the DA 300 or the DA 60-250 or, if 
they ever cough up, a DA, SDM 400/5.6 or faster.


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Re: whelmed

[Bran Everseeking]

On Wed, 20 May 2009 18:39:20 -0400
Cory Waters  wrote:

> Anybody else just getting to their emails today and feeling a bit 
> snowed-under with all the new messages about the new camera that I 
> (you?) can't afford?
> sigh

I have been underwhelmed for a couple weeks now.  I am guessing that
its time for my father in law to go digital so both he and my son will
nod kindly at me and my K10D.

Bran

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Re: whelmed

[Jack Davis]

A couple days ago, I told my wife, "OK, I think you're right, lets go ahead 
with the additional kitchen remodel you wanted." 
Don't know if that will take care of both the K-7 and DA*60~250. Must have a 
back-up plan ready. Hmmm..

Jack

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bruce Dayton  wrote:

> From: Bruce Dayton 
> Subject: Re: whelmed
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 3:42 PM
> yes, but I WANT to afford it. 
> Gonna have to figure out a way...
> 
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Re: Pentax K7

[Joseph McAllister]

Don't know if others have figured out the dpreview page that Dario  
pointed us to, but it has 12 sections of from 2 to 5 pages each  
(printed on A4) that give sooo much information as to be overwhelming,  
even for a K20 user. The selections are made from the top of the page.


On May 20, 2009, at 07:07 , Dario Bonazza wrote:


http://www.dpreview.com/previews/pentaxk7/

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Re: K-7 composition shift question

[Graydon]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 04:45:58PM -0600, William Robb scripsit:
> 
> - Original Message - 
> Subject: Re: K-7 composition shift question
> >> This isn't correct.
> >> To correct keystoning, the sensor has to be parallel to the object being
> >> photographed.
> >
> > Parallel, parallel, or perspective parallel?
> 
> I think you are stuttering.

Plausibly.

Or maybe I'm just confused, and I'm not sure I can manage ASCII art
diagrams for the first couple floors being right here, nicely parallel
to the sensor, and the top two floors, fifteen floors above those first
two floors, not being (in perspective) parallel, although actually in
parallel unless it's a very funky building.

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Re: K-7 composition shift question

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Graydon"
Subject: Re: K-7 composition shift question



>>
>> This isn't correct.
>> To correct keystoning, the sensor has to be parallel to the object being
>> photographed.
>
> Parallel, parallel, or perspective parallel?

I think you are stuttering.

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Re: whelmed

[Graydon]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 06:39:20PM -0400, Cory Waters scripsit:
> Anybody else just getting to their emails today and feeling a bit  
> snowed-under with all the new messages about the new camera that I  
> (you?) can't afford?

I certainly can't afford it; won't be affording much until I re-obtain
gainful employ.

Still kinda glad to know it's out there.

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Re: K-7 composition shift question

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On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 04:35:11PM -0600, William Robb scripsit:
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Graydon"
> Subject: Re: K-7 composition shift question
> > To correct keystone effects, you'd have to be able to tilt the sensor
> > relative to the focal plane, which I don't think you can do.
> 
> This isn't correct.
> To correct keystoning, the sensor has to be parallel to the object being 
> photographed.

Parallel, parallel, or perspective parallel?

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Re: whelmed

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cory Waters"
Subject: whelmed


> Anybody else just getting to their emails today and feeling a bit 
> snowed-under with all the new messages about the new camera that I (you?) 
> can't afford?
> sigh

It is a camera and lens list. We just forget about that because of how long 
we have to wait for new stuff.

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Re: whelmed

[Bruce Dayton]

yes, but I WANT to afford it.  Gonna have to figure out a way...

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[Cory Waters]

Anybody else just getting to their emails today and feeling a bit 
snowed-under with all the new messages about the new camera that I 
(you?) can't afford?

sigh

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Re: K7 From Washington Post

[Brian Walters]

That's all very well, but what will I have to complain about in my PESO
comments if everyone gets their horizons ...er, horizontal?

:-)>


Cheers

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On Wed, 20 May 2009 15:17 -0700, "Jack Davis" 
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> 
> Yes, I could use that feature. I spend time cropping to level. ;)
> 
> Jack
> 
> --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Bruce Dayton  wrote:
> 
> > From: Bruce Dayton 
> > Subject: K7 From Washington Post
> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 2:36 PM
> > Saw this little blurb in the
> > Washington Post online:
> > 
> > "The K-7 also has a unique, nifty feature that uses the
> > camera's
> > accelerometers to create an "electronic level" for
> > perfectly straight
> > shots. Depending on the tilt of the camera, a read-out on
> > the camera's
> > screen shows the user whether the K-7 is perfectly level or
> > slightly
> > tilted to one side."
> > 
> > 
> > That is kind of cool sounding.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Best regards,
> > Bruce
> > 
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