Re: GESO - My Svalbard images

2011-03-31 Thread AlunFoto
2011/3/29 Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com:
 Those images are simply stunning!  I especially like the ones with the
 boat in the ice.

 In #18, is that a person or a statue?

Thanks, Dan! The guy on the stone pillar is indeed a person. His
girlfriend was standing next to me, so I asked her if she thought he
would mind having his picture taken. She said he wouldn't mind, and as
I lifted the camera, she called out to him to strike a pose.

Jostein

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Re: GESO - My Svalbard images

2011-03-31 Thread AlunFoto
Thanks Chris...

Could have left the camera there for hours if I didn't have to
breathe. One exhale however careful with the camera close was enough
to fog the viewfinder over.

Jostein

2011/3/29 Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net:
 Fantastic stuff Jostein.

 Suppose you just have to carry on taking great photos when you've got
 a 645D stuck to your face...

 Particularly love the schooner one with the mountains recessing into
 the background. Brilliant.

 Chris

 On 28 March 2011 15:57, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
 Gathered them here instead of posting them piecemeal:
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Re: GESO - My Svalbard images

2011-03-31 Thread AlunFoto
You know, the Shackleton association stuck with me too. :-)
Thanks Brian.

2011/3/29 Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm:
 On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:57 +0200, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
 Gathered them here instead of posting them piecemeal:
 http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/thumbnails.php?album=26


 Absolutely stunning!

 The night time shots are great and those featuring the ship (eg. 29, 32)
 have that early 'polar expedition' feel - like some of Frank Hurley's
 photos on the Shackleton expedition.

 But my absolute favourite has to be 19.  The combination of diffused
 light and shadow is simply superb.



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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Mar 30, 2011, at 9:47 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:
 
 Non-lightbox Flickr link:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/
 
 Comments, suggestions, and typewritten punches in the face are, of course, 
 welcomed.


I guess nobody explained simple etiquette to you.  It's not polite to get 
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Re: GESO - My Svalbard images

2011-03-31 Thread AlunFoto
Thanks to everyone who commented on my gallery. Glad you liked it, folks.

Jostein

2011/3/28 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com:
 Gathered them here instead of posting them piecemeal:
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Re: OT using a 12 powerbook for showing photos

2011-03-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Mar 30, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 
 On Mar 30, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 Here's a quicky presentation of my Communicating series, rolled
 through Keynote to add some effects and a sound track, then output as
 a QuickTime web presentation. Took about ten minutes to produce.
 
 http://www.gdgphoto.com/communicating25/
 
 
 It looks like it does a great job at what it does.  I personally hate movies 
 for displaying still images, I don't have an easy way to skip ones I'm not 
 interested in, even if I can pause on ones I like.
 
 I don't propose that this is the right way to present still images in
 general, Larry.

I didn't say you were.

 What I was trying to demonstrate here is that you can
 use Keynote to produce a slide presentation with nicely done
 transitions as you flip from slide to slide. The capability of also
 outputting an auto-running slideshow as a movie file is an aside.

It does that well.

 
 I also presume that if *you* are the one showing images as a slide
 show, you've edited out all the ones you don't want to present. An
 auto-run slide show with a recorded audio track of you explaining
 your work is often a handy thing to have for a website where you are
 not there to be in control of the presentation.

There is also that.   The first thing that I probably need to do is  pick a 
laptop and put together a collection of jpegs to show on a it, and then process 
them to the resolution of its screen.

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Re: PESO - Roedeer

2011-03-31 Thread AlunFoto
Steve,
I haven't put any 645D shots into the queue yet. I don't submit stuff
very often any more, so I'm still not done with the Antarctica shots.
:-)

2011/3/30 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com:
 Great shot.  Jostein, have sent some of these new shots with the big D
 to the PPG yet?

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 knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 4:38 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote:
 Observed this guy about 150 m from my house this morning:
 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/roedeer.html

 That's just lovely, Jostein.

 cheers,
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Re: PESO - Roedeer

2011-03-31 Thread AlunFoto
Thanks Dan, Ann, Dave B., Frank and Steve.

2011/3/30 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com:
 Observed this guy about 150 m from my house this morning:
 http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/roedeer.html



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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Walter Gilbert



On 3/31/2011 1:17 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Mar 30, 2011, at 9:47 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

Non-lightbox Flickr link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/

Comments, suggestions, and typewritten punches in the face are, of course, 
welcomed.


I guess nobody explained simple etiquette to you.  It's not polite to get 
better photos than your host.

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Ha!

Larry, you've already been more than generous.  I'm beginning to 
question your purported selfish bastard status.


But thanks for the kind words, all the same.

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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Boris Liberman

On 3/31/2011 6:47 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

Non-lightbox Flickr link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/


Alternatively here is the flickriver link for your convenience:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/

I visited California twice: in 1994 and in 2001. I should like to pay 
this wonderful place at least one more visit.


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Re: APOD: Today's Astronomy Picture of the Day

2011-03-31 Thread David Mann
On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:36 AM, Miserere wrote:

 For those not reading this message on the day it was written, the link
 to the image that blew Walter's mind is this one:
 
 http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110329.html

Thanks for that link.  I think I was using a different mirror site and it had 
stopped working for me a few days ago.  I've changed my bookmark as that one's 
working for me.

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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

 
 Larry, you've already been more than generous.  I'm beginning to question 
 your purported selfish bastard status.

You don't realize how evil I was.  I let you use both the Bigma, and my 77/1.8. 
 This trip is going to end up costing you lots of money.


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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:47:49PM -0500, Walter Gilbert wrote:
 
 Non-lightbox Flickr link:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/

you've got saome nice shots there.

One little nitpick - the Sigma is a 50-500/f4-f6.3, not f2.8


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Re: GESO - My Svalbard images

2011-03-31 Thread Boris Liberman

On 3/28/2011 4:57 PM, AlunFoto wrote:

Gathered them here instead of posting them piecemeal:
http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/thumbnails.php?album=26

Jostein



Amazing set of images, sir. And you're as tall as ever, judging from 
that group photo...


The only tiniest nitpick is that I would like to see English translation 
of the titles that are not names of the places...


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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Brian Walters
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 23:47 -0500, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com
wrote:
   Hi all,
 
 Well, I've spent the entire day going through photos from my trip to the 
 Golden State, where the esteemed Larry Colen was kind enough to put up 
 with me for three days.  I had an absolutely great time while I was 
 there, and the opportunity was a bit of a dream come true for me.  I can 
 easily see how people might get used to living there, and can't imagine 
 how anyone there could ever want for inspiration.
 
 Here's a selection of images from my final day out shooting with Larry, 
 with an obligatory cormorant shot (my first!).  I have many more I'm 
 sure you're dying to see.  The descriptions are the same as the ones I 
 put in my Facebook captions, so you can read them if you want, or just 
 completely disregard them.  They're more or less geared toward 
 non-photographers, anyway.
 
 Non-lightbox Flickr link:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/
 
 
 Many thanks to Larry for all he did to make my stay in California fun, 
 interesting and fascinating.  I also had the great pleasure of meeting 
 and shooting with John Francis, who is an utter gentleman and overall 
 great guy to be around.  Thank you both from the bottom of my heart for 
 making my stay in your beautiful state an unqualified joy.
 



Some good stuff there but I especially like the cormorant - and not just
because of its PDML connection.  It's an unusual pose and the patch of
light on the wings makes it very appealing.



Cheers

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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Mar 31, 2011, at 3:48 AM, John Francis wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:47:49PM -0500, Walter Gilbert wrote:
 
 Non-lightbox Flickr link:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/
 
 you've got saome nice shots there.
 
 One little nitpick - the Sigma is a 50-500/f4-f6.3, not f2.8

Some fun pics. Good cormorant capture. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: I'm surprised this video hasn't hit the List yet...

2011-03-31 Thread Mark Roberts
Rob Studdert wrote:

On 31 March 2011 10:20, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 Was featured on TOP a few days ago
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5lEMIf7_FM

I saw it yesterday via your facebook post, interesting story. Your
associated FB tag was: Another warning to protect your work with
copyright though for me it's a prime example of why copyright is next
to useless in this type of scenario.

The thing is, he didn't register his copyright. At least here in the
U.S., copyright *is* pretty much useless unless you actually register
it through the U.S. Copyright Office.
 
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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Jack Davis
Very well done set, Walter! Your obviously sincere expression of gratitude to 
Larry speaks well of you both.
Enjoyed sharing your experience.

Jack

--- On Wed, 3/30/11, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com
 Subject: GESO: Last Day with Larry
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 9:47 PM
  Hi all,
 
 Well, I've spent the entire day going through photos from
 my trip to the Golden State, where the esteemed Larry Colen
 was kind enough to put up with me for three days.  I
 had an absolutely great time while I was there, and the
 opportunity was a bit of a dream come true for me.  I
 can easily see how people might get used to living there,
 and can't imagine how anyone there could ever want for
 inspiration.
 
 Here's a selection of images from my final day out shooting
 with Larry, with an obligatory cormorant shot (my
 first!).  I have many more I'm sure you're dying to
 see.  The descriptions are the same as the ones I put
 in my Facebook captions, so you can read them if you want,
 or just completely disregard them.  They're more or
 less geared toward non-photographers, anyway.
 
 Non-lightbox Flickr link:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/
 
 
 Many thanks to Larry for all he did to make my stay in
 California fun, interesting and fascinating.  I also
 had the great pleasure of meeting and shooting with John
 Francis, who is an utter gentleman and overall great guy to
 be around.  Thank you both from the bottom of my heart
 for making my stay in your beautiful state an unqualified
 joy.
 
 Comments, suggestions, and typewritten punches in the face
 are, of course, welcomed.
 
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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
1510  1512 - Great potential.
1692 - Is that a cormorant?
1666, 1617 -- immediate visual appeal.

You must have a really good camera.  :-)

But then there is 1582 -- I hate hornets.


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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
Very nice.  They have a high contrast look which I happen to like.
What kind of light were you in?

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Very well done set, Walter! Your obviously sincere expression of gratitude to 
 Larry speaks well of you both.
 Enjoyed sharing your experience.

 Jack

 --- On Wed, 3/30/11, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com
 Subject: GESO: Last Day with Larry
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 9:47 PM
  Hi all,

 Well, I've spent the entire day going through photos from
 my trip to the Golden State, where the esteemed Larry Colen
 was kind enough to put up with me for three days.  I
 had an absolutely great time while I was there, and the
 opportunity was a bit of a dream come true for me.  I
 can easily see how people might get used to living there,
 and can't imagine how anyone there could ever want for
 inspiration.

 Here's a selection of images from my final day out shooting
 with Larry, with an obligatory cormorant shot (my
 first!).  I have many more I'm sure you're dying to
 see.  The descriptions are the same as the ones I put
 in my Facebook captions, so you can read them if you want,
 or just completely disregard them.  They're more or
 less geared toward non-photographers, anyway.

 Non-lightbox Flickr link:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/


 Many thanks to Larry for all he did to make my stay in
 California fun, interesting and fascinating.  I also
 had the great pleasure of meeting and shooting with John
 Francis, who is an utter gentleman and overall great guy to
 be around.  Thank you both from the bottom of my heart
 for making my stay in your beautiful state an unqualified
 joy.

 Comments, suggestions, and typewritten punches in the face
 are, of course, welcomed.

 -- Walt

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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
Yellowjackets

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Collin Brendemuehl
coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
 1510  1512 - Great potential.
 1692 - Is that a cormorant?
 1666, 1617 -- immediate visual appeal.

 You must have a really good camera.  :-)

 But then there is 1582 -- I hate hornets.


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Re: Is it the lens or camera that makes the images pop in Nikon and Canons?

2011-03-31 Thread David J Brooks
Actually, i find my Pentax Dslr shots have more exciting colour than
my Nikons. Some one a long time ago mentioned the Nikon are geared
toward Kodak film, browns and reds were as Pentax went with a Fuji
film, greens and blues.

Not sure if that has any truth to it, but it looks that way to me. I
find my Nikon's not a poppy, but my older ones, the D1 and D1H seem to
be sharper but then again i have more Nikon fast glass than Pentax.



Dave

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 In a K-x discussion group, no less.
 Maybe I need to switch to decaf.
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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,


 Non-lightbox Flickr link:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/

Nice

Dave


 Many thanks to Larry for all he did to make my stay in California fun,
 interesting and fascinating.  I also had the great pleasure of meeting and
 shooting with John Francis, who is an utter gentleman and overall great guy
 to be around.  Thank you both from the bottom of my heart for making my stay
 in your beautiful state an unqualified joy.

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Re: PESO - Horse and Tower

2011-03-31 Thread David J Brooks
Nice lighting

Dave

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Or, if you prefer, Cheval et Tour:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12868903

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K-5 back on the wish list......

2011-03-31 Thread David J Brooks
.. because only had to replace the water pump and intake, not the
head gasket.

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Katzeye for the K-x

2011-03-31 Thread Bong Manayon
Anyone here using a Katzeye for the K-x?  I have one for my K10D which
I plan to retire sometime soon so I plan to get one for my K-x.  My
issue is how it handles with the smaller viewfinder/prism of the K-x:
with the K10D I opted not to get the Optibrite option given its bigger
VF/prism and so now I'm wondering if I need that for the K-x.

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Re: OT: TAKUMAR-A Camera Lens (7632035)

2011-03-31 Thread Darren Addy
First of all, one of the surest ways to make sure that something goes
for more than it otherwise would have is to post a link to it in a
forum (or mailing list) of people who use lenses of the same camera
mount that you do. All you do is attract people to the item you are
interested in, that may have otherwise been unaware. (Links to active
auctions or Craigslist ads is a pet peeve of mine.)

Secondly, if you want to know the relative merits of a lens most
Pentax users will probably recommend the Pentax Forums Lens and
Accessories Review Database:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/
Those threads often contain photos taken with that lens. Another easy
way to find images taken with the lens is to search for the lens in
Flickr. Just put the lens info in the search box and see what comes
up. Then read the description or tags to make sure it was with the
same lens.

Thirdly, in general, the Takumar-A series is thought of as inferior to
the Pentax SMC K, M, or A lenses, optically. However, being an A lens,
it will be somewhat easier to use than SMC K or M lenses, which
require the extra step of the green button (or A/E button, depending
upon your model and settings).

Fourthly, regarding the shopgoodwill.com site you really need to look
beyond the BID price when determining what you will actually be
paying. Most items have a fairly substantial handling charge that they
add to each item and their shipping is often way high. On top of that,
there is no guarantee of the condition with that site and no returns.
The photos are usually too small to make a good judgment on condition,
so you are really rolling the dice when you buy there. The people who
take photos for the various Goodwills across the country are mostly
morons when it comes to photographing lenses. They will often take the
photo of the side of the lens that tells you the LEAST and then not
describe it properly (listing the filter size as the focal length, for
example).

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Re: I'm surprised this video hasn't hit the List yet...

2011-03-31 Thread Charles Robinson
On Mar 30, 2011, at 18:20, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Was featured on TOP a few days ago
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5lEMIf7_FM
 

Fascinating and frustrating!

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Re: Katzeye for the K-x

2011-03-31 Thread Darren Addy
I got the K-3 screen from focusingscreen.com for my K200D (it was
simply a Nikon focusing screen with shims) because it was a better
deal than the KatzEye. However, that went WITH the K200D to my
son-in-law when I got my K-x. I miss the screen though, so that is on
my to get list. I will probably order from focusingscreen.com again.

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Re: K-5 back on the wish list......

2011-03-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
Woo Hoo!
On Mar 31, 2011, at 10:35 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

 .. because only had to replace the water pump and intake, not the
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GESO: Beating you to a bloody pulp with floral cliches

2011-03-31 Thread Tim Bray
Not only are they flower close-ups from the bokeh-crazed recent buyer
of a 100mm macro, they have raindrops! And insects!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbray/sets/72157626397375736/show/

All rhodos  camellias because that's all that's out. -Tim

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Re: GESO: Beating you to a bloody pulp with floral cliches

2011-03-31 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:

 Not only are they flower close-ups from the bokeh-crazed recent buyer
 of a 100mm macro, they have raindrops! And insects!
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbray/sets/72157626397375736/show/

Nice shots, and the lens looks like a sharp performer (at least at
this size) with very attractive background bokeh. I think 0184 is my
favorite.

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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Yellowjackets

Evil.  Dead if I have my way.

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Re: GESO: Beating you to a bloody pulp with floral cliches

2011-03-31 Thread Darren Addy
Very nice stuff. Really makes me wish that Spring would really finally
get here in Nebraska. I've got the Bokina (
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/4423096842/ ) and THIS bad
boy to put to work:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelsmithy/4521400344/

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Re: a fat enablement

2011-03-31 Thread Cotty
On 30/3/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

there's a photo of Jesus here, boasting about the size of his lens.
http://www.goodsalt.com/details/ebsps1123.html

Actually he's referring to a rather large piece of brie.

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Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Tim just gave us some pretty macro flower pics.  A lot of people will like 
them.  I enjoy them as well and even really liked a couple.  But as someone 
said a couple of weeks ago, the more seriously he takes his photography the 
less he shoots.  The question is:  How do we better our photography and get 
past cliche images?  Can we take it more seriously without falling into either 
the trap of elitism or the trap of demanding a certain level of commitment from 
others?  (That's the motivation behind my recent technical criticisms.  We can 
do better without burning ourselves out.)

I think about the retirement home with little old ladies taking oil paint 
lessons so that they can do still life paintings of daisies.  I wonder how many 
of us have nothing better in our imagination than warm fuzzies.  And I think 
Tim senses some of this with the sarcasm in his title about beating us to a 
bloody pulp with these cliche images.  In 2D art one can hardly get more cliche 
than pretty flowers.

So the challenge is this:  Make a picture say something.  Make it say one word 
That is, other than Ah  or  Ooo.  A real word.  High.  Long.  Fast.  
Friend.  Love.  Charity.  Cold.  Hot.  Soft.  Hard.  Tomorrow.  Yesterday.  
Win.  Lose.  Amateur.  Professional.  Try.  Succeed.  Fail.  Return.  Leave.  
Strong.  Weak.  Majesty.  Humility.  Service.  Nouns, pronouns, adjectives, 
adverbs -- they all work.

This can help you when you take pictures at kids baseball games or at a 
wedding.  Capture more than just the people.  Get their faces, their hands, 
their interactions with each other and the world around them, their full 
expressions.

That's what makes the Ali(Wasn't he still C. Clay at the time) v Liston picture 
so special.
http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-products/muhammad-ali-framed-8x10-photo---ali-over-sonny-liston.html

Sorry about the rant, but cliche images bother me deeply.

Sincerely, 

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KEH has a Legendary F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6

2011-03-31 Thread P. J. Alling
Legendary in some circles anyway.  Going for the quite affordable price 
of $126.00 US, about half of what I've seen it go for on ebay.  If 
anybody's looking for one grab it while you can.



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a fat enablement

2011-03-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Actually he's referring to a rather large piece of brie.

Cotty

Not at all.  And since the image was just a re-enactment (of course, duh),
I'll take the opportunity to say that ...

1)  This was his pose for the statue in South Bend.
2)  He is clearly a Packer fan.
3)  It's all about the cheddar.  Large curds.  Very large curds.

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Re: a fat enablement

2011-03-31 Thread Mark Roberts
On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:34:31 +0100, you wrote:

On 30/3/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

there's a photo of Jesus here, boasting about the size of his lens.
http://www.goodsalt.com/details/ebsps1123.html

Actually he's referring to a rather large piece of brie.

Blessed are the cheesemakers...


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Re: KEH has a Legendary F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6

2011-03-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
I got frustrated with KEH because, as soon as I saw their 
30% off the as-is inventory, by the time I got there all the 
LF stuff was gone.  Bummer.

But their prices are quite competitive these days.
I know that when they come around Columbus to buy from the stores
that the stores are not getting much at all for the film stuff.
Even the lenses from the film days are going for less since many
(though certainly not all) of the newer digital designs 
are proving themselves superior.

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Re: KEH has a Legendary F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6

2011-03-31 Thread P. J. Alling
This particular lens does very well with either digital or analog 
capture.  I'd buy it myself as a backup, except that I'm saving my 
pennies for food and such...


On 3/31/2011 1:50 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

I got frustrated with KEH because, as soon as I saw their
30% off the as-is inventory, by the time I got there all the
LF stuff was gone.  Bummer.

But their prices are quite competitive these days.
I know that when they come around Columbus to buy from the stores
that the stores are not getting much at all for the film stuff.
Even the lenses from the film days are going for less since many
(though certainly not all) of the newer digital designs
are proving themselves superior.

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Re: Katzeye for the K-x

2011-03-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:49 AM, Bong Manayon wrote:

 Anyone here using a Katzeye for the K-x?  I have one for my K10D which
 I plan to retire sometime soon so I plan to get one for my K-x.  My
 issue is how it handles with the smaller viewfinder/prism of the K-x:
 with the K10D I opted not to get the Optibrite option given its bigger
 VF/prism and so now I'm wondering if I need that for the K-x.

I got the base katzeye for my K100D and absolutely loved it.  When I got the 
K-x, I moved the screen to the new camera.  It works great.  I didn't get 
optibrite for it.  I would recommend getting some sort of composition lines 
added to make it easier to find vertical.

I am actually considering not getting a katzeye for the K-5.  If I need fussy 
focusing I can go into liveview and zoom in. It's not as fast as a katzeye, but 
autofocus on the center point is often faster.

 
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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Walter Gilbert
 Excellent resource, Boris!  I'll have to make use of that in the 
future.


And I completely agree with you about California.  If I ever get a 
chance to get back there, you can bet I'll take it.  It's a truly 
beautiful place!


-- Walt

On 3/31/2011 1:34 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

On 3/31/2011 6:47 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

Non-lightbox Flickr link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/


Alternatively here is the flickriver link for your convenience:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/

I visited California twice: in 1994 and in 2001. I should like to pay 
this wonderful place at least one more visit.


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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Walter Gilbert



On 3/31/2011 2:19 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Mar 30, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:


Larry, you've already been more than generous.  I'm beginning to question your purported 
selfish bastard status.

You don't realize how evil I was.  I let you use both the Bigma, and my 77/1.8. 
 This trip is going to end up costing you lots of money.


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Re: a fat enablement

2011-03-31 Thread Cotty
On 31/3/11, Collin Brendemuehl, discombobulated, unleashed:

Not at all.  And since the image was just a re-enactment (of course, duh),
I'll take the opportunity to say that ...

1)  This was his pose for the statue in South Bend.
2)  He is clearly a Packer fan.
3)  It's all about the cheddar.  Large curds.  Very large curds.

I'll go with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xLUEMj6cwA

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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Walter Gilbert



On 3/31/2011 2:48 AM, John Francis wrote:

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:47:49PM -0500, Walter Gilbert wrote:

Non-lightbox Flickr link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/

you've got saome nice shots there.

One little nitpick - the Sigma is a 50-500/f4-f6.3, not f2.8



Thanks, John!

Larry pointed that out to me about the Sigma.  I had it confused with 
his Tamron 300.  It's a heavy chunk of glass in any event.  Not an easy 
one to pan with, to be sure.


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Three years ago ...

2011-03-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Three or four years ago I could have purchased an old (49mm) Pentax Stereo 
Adapter at the local camera club annual sale for about $60.  Could kick myself 
now.  Have you seen the prices on these?  Through the roof?

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313_nkw=pentax+stereo+adapter_sacat=See-All-Categories

https://www.cambuy.com.au/Pentax-Stereo-Adapter-3D-Set.html

There might be some money in manufacturing them.

But I'm also wondering ... could I market it for more than 35mm/DSLR?
1. It would make a great 3D contact print on 4x5, would int not?
2. And imagine if I put one on the 8x10.  Probably wouldn't even need a 
magnifier.  Just put the contact print in at the end of a frame.

At these prices ... h

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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Walter Gilbert



On 3/31/2011 5:34 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

On Mar 31, 2011, at 3:48 AM, John Francis wrote:


On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:47:49PM -0500, Walter Gilbert wrote:

Non-lightbox Flickr link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/

you've got saome nice shots there.

One little nitpick - the Sigma is a 50-500/f4-f6.3, not f2.8

Some fun pics. Good cormorant capture. Thanks for sharing.
Paul


Thanks, Paul!

I certainly had a lot of fun taking them.  I currently chalk it up as 
one of the better experiences of my life.  :-)


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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Walter Gilbert



On 3/31/2011 7:42 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Very well done set, Walter! Your obviously sincere expression of gratitude to 
Larry speaks well of you both.
Enjoyed sharing your experience.

Jack


Thank you, Jack!  I've yet to even really look at the majority of photos 
I took while I was out there.  It's going to be a days-long proposition, 
but one I look forward to!


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From: Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com
Subject: GESO: Last Day with Larry
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 9:47 PM
  Hi all,

Well, I've spent the entire day going through photos from
my trip to the Golden State, where the esteemed Larry Colen
was kind enough to put up with me for three days.  I
had an absolutely great time while I was there, and the
opportunity was a bit of a dream come true for me.  I
can easily see how people might get used to living there,
and can't imagine how anyone there could ever want for
inspiration.

Here's a selection of images from my final day out shooting
with Larry, with an obligatory cormorant shot (my
first!).  I have many more I'm sure you're dying to
see.  The descriptions are the same as the ones I put
in my Facebook captions, so you can read them if you want,
or just completely disregard them.  They're more or
less geared toward non-photographers, anyway.

Non-lightbox Flickr link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/


Many thanks to Larry for all he did to make my stay in
California fun, interesting and fascinating.  I also
had the great pleasure of meeting and shooting with John
Francis, who is an utter gentleman and overall great guy to
be around.  Thank you both from the bottom of my heart
for making my stay in your beautiful state an unqualified
joy.

Comments, suggestions, and typewritten punches in the face
are, of course, welcomed.

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Re: GESO: Beating you to a bloody pulp with floral cliches

2011-03-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Excellent!

Dan

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
 Not only are they flower close-ups from the bokeh-crazed recent buyer
 of a 100mm macro, they have raindrops! And insects!
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbray/sets/72157626397375736/show/

 All rhodos  camellias because that's all that's out. -Tim

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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Mar 31, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

 
 
 On 3/31/2011 2:48 AM, John Francis wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:47:49PM -0500, Walter Gilbert wrote:
 Non-lightbox Flickr link:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/
 you've got saome nice shots there.
 
 One little nitpick - the Sigma is a 50-500/f4-f6.3, not f2.8
 
 
 Thanks, John!
 
 Larry pointed that out to me about the Sigma.  I had it confused with his 
 Tamron 300.  It's a heavy chunk of glass in any event.  Not an easy one to 
 pan with, to be sure.

I was amused by the setup, so I had Walt get a picture of me with the 300/2.8 
and AF540 both on the K-5

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/5576115407/in/set-72157626397897850

 
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Re: GESO: Beating you to a bloody pulp with floral cliches

2011-03-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
Well done. Nice to know it's spring somewhere.
Paul
On Mar 31, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

 Not only are they flower close-ups from the bokeh-crazed recent buyer
 of a 100mm macro, they have raindrops! And insects!
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbray/sets/72157626397375736/show/
 
 All rhodos  camellias because that's all that's out. -Tim
 
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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Walter Gilbert



On 3/31/2011 8:01 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

Very nice.  They have a high contrast look which I happen to like.
What kind of light were you in?


Thanks, Steven!

The majority of the day was spent under clear blue skies, although for a 
good part of it, we were in a shady wooded area, where the sun filtered 
through beautifully and really caused the greens to pop.  The rest of 
the week I was there was pretty cloudy and rainy, though.  I should have 
some decent moody-looking shots in the overall bunch I took.


-- Walt


On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Jack Davisjdavi...@yahoo.com  wrote:

Very well done set, Walter! Your obviously sincere expression of gratitude to 
Larry speaks well of you both.
Enjoyed sharing your experience.

Jack

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From: Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com
Subject: GESO: Last Day with Larry
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 9:47 PM
  Hi all,

Well, I've spent the entire day going through photos from
my trip to the Golden State, where the esteemed Larry Colen
was kind enough to put up with me for three days.  I
had an absolutely great time while I was there, and the
opportunity was a bit of a dream come true for me.  I
can easily see how people might get used to living there,
and can't imagine how anyone there could ever want for
inspiration.

Here's a selection of images from my final day out shooting
with Larry, with an obligatory cormorant shot (my
first!).  I have many more I'm sure you're dying to
see.  The descriptions are the same as the ones I put
in my Facebook captions, so you can read them if you want,
or just completely disregard them.  They're more or
less geared toward non-photographers, anyway.

Non-lightbox Flickr link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/


Many thanks to Larry for all he did to make my stay in
California fun, interesting and fascinating.  I also
had the great pleasure of meeting and shooting with John
Francis, who is an utter gentleman and overall great guy to
be around.  Thank you both from the bottom of my heart
for making my stay in your beautiful state an unqualified
joy.

Comments, suggestions, and typewritten punches in the face
are, of course, welcomed.

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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Walter Gilbert



On 3/31/2011 9:07 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com  wrote:

  Hi all,
Non-lightbox Flickr link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/

Nice

Dave

Thanks, Dave!

-- Walt




Many thanks to Larry for all he did to make my stay in California fun,
interesting and fascinating.  I also had the great pleasure of meeting and
shooting with John Francis, who is an utter gentleman and overall great guy
to be around.  Thank you both from the bottom of my heart for making my stay
in your beautiful state an unqualified joy.

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welcomed.

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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 05:39:51PM +, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
 
 Sorry about the rant, but cliche images bother me deeply.

Why does what other people choose to shoot bother you?

Almost everything I photograph produces cliche images.

I'm not a photographer(tm) - I'm a person who happens to enjoy
taking photographs, and who values them mostly based on the memories
(or ideas) they evoke, rather than on any artistic or technical merit.

There are several other people on the list whose subjects don't do
anything for me, and more than a few whose personal choice of style
doesn't speak to me.  But that's a personal thing between me and the
photographers in question; it's obvious that many of the other folks
here have a different viewpoint.

Even photographs that I personally dislike are, generally speaking,
technically well executed - I'd probably have more of an issue if
images were over-processed.  Fortunately that rarely happens here.


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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
 Sorry about the rant, but cliche images bother me deeply.

Why does what other people choose to shoot bother you?

It's not the what.  It's the why.  
And it's not a moral response.

Per the rest of my statement, its a longing to see people do so much more.
A thing of beauty is a joy forever
  but a cliche wears thin in a minute.

Now if people are happy shooting pretty flowers, that just fine.
My desire is for people to do, at a minimum, better flowers.

Sincerely, 

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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Larry Colen
I've been thinking a lot about this very subject.  I've got a lot of things 
that I ought to be spending my time and money on, but I've been spending them 
on photography.  On one level, I think I take pictures to get better at 
photography. It's almost a zen thing. 

On another level, I've been learning a lot of humility lately in all of the 
other areas that I used to think I was good at. The bar for impressing 
non-photographers with your photography is really pretty low. I know that most 
of my photos are mediocre, and most of the people on this list do too, but 
compared to most of the crap that most people shoot, it's pretty good, so it's 
an easy way to get people to say nice things about me. 

On Mar 31, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

 Tim just gave us some pretty macro flower pics.  A lot of people will like 
 them.  I enjoy them as well and even really liked a couple.  But as someone 
 said a couple of weeks ago, the more seriously he takes his photography the 
 less he shoots.

Actually, I said that the more professional style work I do, the less that I do 
for fun. By professional style, I meant photography for other people, of the 
sort that people often (used to) get paid for.


  The question is:  How do we better our photography and get past cliche 
 images?  Can we take it more seriously without falling into either the trap 
 of elitism or the trap of demanding a certain level of commitment from 
 others?  (That's the motivation behind my recent technical criticisms.  We 
 can do better without burning ourselves out.)

I think of flower photos as candy.  Pleasant, but not generally substantial, 
and just fine in moderation. When it gets down to it, I guess that my mushroom 
photos are also technically flower photos too.  One way of getting around the 
cliche is that while a photo of a flower is cliche, when juxtaposed with other 
subjects, they're no longer cliche. A flower arrangement in the engine 
compartment of a hot rod, a beautiful flower being held by a street beggar, the 
stem of a rose in the barrel of a gun (at least it wasn't a cliche when it was 
first done).

 
 Sorry about the rant, but cliche images bother me deeply.

Cliche images only really bother me when I find myself relying on them too 
much, in general, they just bore me.


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Re: GESO: Beating you to a bloody pulp with floral cliches

2011-03-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Mar 31, 2011, at 9:59 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

 Not only are they flower close-ups from the bokeh-crazed recent buyer
 of a 100mm macro, they have raindrops! And insects!

They say that when your only tool is a hammer every problem looks like a nail. 
I guess when your newest lens is a macro, every flower looks like a photo 
opportunity.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbray/sets/72157626397375736/show/

But it's definitely  a nice set.

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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Tim Bray
I am obviously going to have to do some still-life images of daisies.

But I think you're maybe overthinking it.  I am not a professional
photographer nor do my efforts reach the level where the term art is
applicable.  Owning cameras pleases me. Looking around me and
photographing things I think deserve it pleases me.  Editing photos
pleases me.  Pushing back boundaries such as low light, tricky focus,
moving targets, and candid street photography pleases me.  Seeing the
edited photos nicely presented on a high-quality screen pleases me.
When my pictures give pleasure to others, that pleases me a whole lot.

Looking at other peoples' photos here pleases me.  The proportion that
do so is much less than 100% but plenty high enough to keep me coming
back.  Photos which obviously partake of cliche probably please a
lower proportion of people here than those which are in some sense
more serious.  But a little eye candy never hurt anyone.

 -Tim



On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Collin Brendemuehl
coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote:
 Tim just gave us some pretty macro flower pics.  A lot of people will like 
 them.  I enjoy them as well and even really liked a couple.  But as someone 
 said a couple of weeks ago, the more seriously he takes his photography the 
 less he shoots.  The question is:  How do we better our photography and get 
 past cliche images?  Can we take it more seriously without falling into 
 either the trap of elitism or the trap of demanding a certain level of 
 commitment from others?  (That's the motivation behind my recent technical 
 criticisms.  We can do better without burning ourselves out.)

 I think about the retirement home with little old ladies taking oil paint 
 lessons so that they can do still life paintings of daisies.  I wonder how 
 many of us have nothing better in our imagination than warm fuzzies.  And I 
 think Tim senses some of this with the sarcasm in his title about beating us 
 to a bloody pulp with these cliche images.  In 2D art one can hardly get more 
 cliche than pretty flowers.

 So the challenge is this:  Make a picture say something.  Make it say one 
 word That is, other than Ah  or  Ooo.  A real word.  High.  Long.  
 Fast.  Friend.  Love.  Charity.  Cold.  Hot.  Soft.  Hard.  Tomorrow.  
 Yesterday.  Win.  Lose.  Amateur.  Professional.  Try.  Succeed.  Fail.  
 Return.  Leave.  Strong.  Weak.  Majesty.  Humility.  Service.  Nouns, 
 pronouns, adjectives, adverbs -- they all work.

 This can help you when you take pictures at kids baseball games or at a 
 wedding.  Capture more than just the people.  Get their faces, their hands, 
 their interactions with each other and the world around them, their full 
 expressions.

 That's what makes the Ali(Wasn't he still C. Clay at the time) v Liston 
 picture so special.
 http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-products/muhammad-ali-framed-8x10-photo---ali-over-sonny-liston.html

 Sorry about the rant, but cliche images bother me deeply.

 Sincerely,

 Collin Brendemuehl
 http://kerygmainstitute.org

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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
Bang!
http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/PDML/?action=viewcurrent=dandies-1.jpg

I shoot to annoy those I can't meet in person.
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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Mar 31, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 Bang!
 http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/PDML/?action=viewcurrent=dandies-1.jpg
 
 I shoot to annoy those I can't meet in person.

That's why I post.


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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread AlunFoto
2011/3/31 Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net:
 But as someone said a couple of weeks ago, the more
 seriously he takes his photography the less he shoots.

[...]

 Sorry about the rant, but cliche images bother me deeply.

You post very few images so if that has any relation to your
production at all, you must take your photography very seriously
indeed. But one thing is a bit unclear to me; are you bothered by
others posting pics you consider cliche, or are you bothered by your
own development as a photographer?

Jostein

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Re: New Pentax System...April fools'?

2011-03-31 Thread Miserere
On 30 March 2011 22:15, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Naked Cormorant/

 Dan

I think you get the PDML prize for this, Dan  :-D


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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Walter Gilbert



On 3/31/2011 12:39 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

Tim just gave us some pretty macro flower pics.  A lot of people will like 
them.  I enjoy them as well and even really liked a couple.  But as someone 
said a couple of weeks ago, the more seriously he takes his photography the 
less he shoots.  The question is:  How do we better our photography and get 
past cliche images?  Can we take it more seriously without falling into either 
the trap of elitism or the trap of demanding a certain level of commitment from 
others?  (That's the motivation behind my recent technical criticisms.  We can 
do better without burning ourselves out.)

I think about the retirement home with little old ladies taking oil paint 
lessons so that they can do still life paintings of daisies.  I wonder how many 
of us have nothing better in our imagination than warm fuzzies.  And I think 
Tim senses some of this with the sarcasm in his title about beating us to a 
bloody pulp with these cliche images.  In 2D art one can hardly get more cliche 
than pretty flowers.

So the challenge is this:  Make a picture say something.  Make it say one word 
That is, other than Ah  or  Ooo.  A real word.  High.  Long.  Fast.  
Friend.  Love.  Charity.  Cold.  Hot.  Soft.  Hard.  Tomorrow.  Yesterday.  
Win.  Lose.  Amateur.  Professional.  Try.  Succeed.  Fail.  Return.  Leave.  
Strong.  Weak.  Majesty.  Humility.  Service.  Nouns, pronouns, adjectives, 
adverbs -- they all work.

This can help you when you take pictures at kids baseball games or at a 
wedding.  Capture more than just the people.  Get their faces, their hands, 
their interactions with each other and the world around them, their full 
expressions.

That's what makes the Ali(Wasn't he still C. Clay at the time) v Liston picture 
so special.
http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-products/muhammad-ali-framed-8x10-photo---ali-over-sonny-liston.html

Sorry about the rant, but cliche images bother me deeply.

Sincerely,

Collin Brendemuehl
http://kerygmainstitute.org

He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose
-- Jim Elliott

Personally, I shoot what catches my eye.  If that happens to be a 
flower, so be it.  But, most of the time, it's not the flower itself 
that catches my attention, but the way the light falls on it.  Having 
only pursued photography relatively seriously as a hobby for a little 
over a year, I'm still learning a lot about the camera itself, and a 
great deal more about photography itself.  So, in essence, I shoot to 
learn how to shoot.  Sometimes, flowers provide a great opportunity to 
learn how the camera captures light.


Also, there's the fact that I like taking photos that people like to 
look at.  I don't shoot for other photographers, simply because there's 
really no way to impress them.  Every photographer has his own notion of 
what makes a great photo.  I spend precious little time worrying about 
the technical details of my shots -- and that obviously shows a great 
percentage of the time.  But, when I put the camera to my eye, I have an 
expectation of what I want my photos to look like when I finish with 
them, and I gear my shooting toward that end:  Shoot, chimp -- nah, 
do-over.  Shoot, chimp -- dammit.  Shoot, chimp -- getting closer.  
Shoot, chimp -- dammit.


And, then, there's the fact that I love to photograph just about 
anything that will catch my eye -- birds, flowers, people, cars, junk, 
hot babes, dead opossums, you-name-it.  If it has something about it 
that recommends itself to the eye, I think it's worth shooting.  As I 
see it, if you're walking past something that has obvious beauty and 
decide not to shoot it because, well, someone's going to make fun of you 
for shooting it, you've given up a little bit of the joy that made you 
want to be a photographer in the first place.


Part of the beauty of the Ali vs. Liston image is the fact that it puts 
the viewer there at ringside.  It captured the climactic moment that 
makes people want to go to boxing matches.  And that was a good part of 
the rationale behind my shot choices while I was out in California -- to 
capture what I saw while I was there and to give the people who will 
look at my photos (the vast majority of whom are non-photographers) a 
sense of what I saw while I was there.  Regrettably or not, a great deal 
of what I saw was flowers and bugs and the sort of thing that real 
photographers would consider cliche.  I'm comfortable with that, just as 
I'm comfortable with the notion that people on the list who see what 
I've posted will say, Well, it looks like Walt yanked out the K-x and 
ran out to the flower patch again.  Pass!


In the end, I guess my view is that, even though some images are 
naturally more compelling than others, there's no reason not to photos 
that other people will like.  There's no crime in making 
non-photographers smile, even if it does curl the upper lip of your 
photographic betters.


-- Walt

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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
You post very few images so if that has any relation to your
production at all, you must take your photography very seriously
indeed. But one thing is a bit unclear to me; are you bothered by
others posting pics you consider cliche, or are you bothered by your
own development as a photographer?

Jostein

The question of personal offense (being bothered) seems to be pervasive.
I think that was answered earlier so I will leave it to you for further 
discovery.

As to my personal development ... it's not so much a matter of progress as of 
time to pursue it.  I've got some projects in mind but time just gets in the 
way.  Over the past few years my unemployment has retracted the resources to 
pursue doing more and better.  

Perhaps, if I can afford it in my retirement, I'd like to hire a plane to fly 
into some un- or seldom-explored area of Yukon or Alaska and shoot with a 
variety of formats.  

It appears that some type of elitism is being read into my remarks.  I can see 
how that would happen.  Photography is a joy and it ought to remain so for all 
of us.  That's why we are here, coupled with just a tad bit of brand loyalty.  
I would hope that the general statement *might* be taken in concert with the 
specific ones.  If not, well, then I'll have to explain myself a bit more.

But you know, the critical comments that I've recently given -- written for 
both compliment and for encouraging improvement -- have been well-received.  
Nobody thought of them in any negative fashion.  I would hope for the same with 
a more generalized statement.

As to the quantity of work that I post:  No, it is not much.  I don't shoot a 
lot.  The last snow shots were just for a break from house cleaning.  They 
didn't say much if anything.  They only recorded the day and did so in a manner 
somewhat commensurate with the modern trend of social history which 
concentrates on the minute details involving individuals rather than the major 
social events.  So I shot mostly leaves and buds instead of hills and fields.  
(It was an intentional subtext.)


Sincerely, 

Collin Brendemuehl 
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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread steve harley

On 2011-03-31 11:39 , Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

The question is:  How do we better our photography and get past cliche images?  
Can we take it more seriously without falling into either the trap of elitism 
or the trap of demanding a certain level of commitment from others?  (That's 
the motivation behind my recent technical criticisms.  We can do better without 
burning ourselves out.)


[answering before i look at the other responses]

it's the same as with any art form (for those of us who pursue 
photography as art) -- there is no one way, but it's important to be 
true to oneself, to practice, and to search for what you have to say; 
many people (including me) also see their art as a form of play


personally, i take a lot of flower shots, mainly because i'm putting 
them in a database of my gardens; on the face of it this is separate 
from my artistic pursuits, but while taking flower shots i practice 
seeing, and i practice technique; i also think there is always more to 
see in any subject, so sometimes i just work my yard, looking for new 
things and new ways to see




Sorry about the rant, but cliche images bother me deeply.


cliches are part of the process -- for one thing there are practice 
subjects that are very cliche, but which can help develop technique and 
vision; the other aspect is that it takes work to recognize cliche, and 
there is a risk of seeing everything as cliche, so i personally feel 
there's a bit of dancing to do with cliches -- embrace them, twirl 
them around, make fun of them, let them humble you, but also hone your 
awareness of when the dance is over




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Re: Is it the lens or camera that makes the images pop in Nikon and Canons?

2011-03-31 Thread Miserere
I couldn't help myself and posted a reply. I hope they never find out
I don't own a K-x!


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On 30 March 2011 17:58, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Questions like this make me want to bang my head against my keyboard.
 In a K-x discussion group, no less.
 Maybe I need to switch to decaf.
 http://www.flickr.com/groups/kx/discuss/72157626010685493/


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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
For me, it's a combination of:
1. the pleasure of using finely made devices, and
2, The thrill of the hunt when looking for the shots in the field, and
3. the artistic experience in the post processing, originally in the
darkroom and later in PS.


On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:56 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 On 2011-03-31 11:39 , Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

 The question is:  How do we better our photography and get past cliche
 images?  Can we take it more seriously without falling into either the trap
 of elitism or the trap of demanding a certain level of commitment from
 others?  (That's the motivation behind my recent technical criticisms.  We
 can do better without burning ourselves out.)

 [answering before i look at the other responses]

 it's the same as with any art form (for those of us who pursue photography
 as art) -- there is no one way, but it's important to be true to oneself, to
 practice, and to search for what you have to say; many people (including me)
 also see their art as a form of play

 personally, i take a lot of flower shots, mainly because i'm putting them in
 a database of my gardens; on the face of it this is separate from my
 artistic pursuits, but while taking flower shots i practice seeing, and i
 practice technique; i also think there is always more to see in any subject,
 so sometimes i just work my yard, looking for new things and new ways to see


 Sorry about the rant, but cliche images bother me deeply.

 cliches are part of the process -- for one thing there are practice subjects
 that are very cliche, but which can help develop technique and vision; the
 other aspect is that it takes work to recognize cliche, and there is a risk
 of seeing everything as cliche, so i personally feel there's a bit of
 dancing to do with cliches -- embrace them, twirl them around, make fun of
 them, let them humble you, but also hone your awareness of when the dance is
 over



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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread AlunFoto
I see where you come from Collin.
However I think one man's cliche can be another man's:
- Honest attempts to learn the craft
- Personal joy, or even fetish
- The closest motif at hand in a photographic epiphany

Or whatever.

Jostein

2011/3/31 Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net:
You post very few images so if that has any relation to your
production at all, you must take your photography very seriously
indeed. But one thing is a bit unclear to me; are you bothered by
others posting pics you consider cliche, or are you bothered by your
own development as a photographer?

Jostein

 The question of personal offense (being bothered) seems to be pervasive.
 I think that was answered earlier so I will leave it to you for further 
 discovery.

 As to my personal development ... it's not so much a matter of progress as of 
 time to pursue it.  I've got some projects in mind but time just gets in the 
 way.  Over the past few years my unemployment has retracted the resources to 
 pursue doing more and better.

 Perhaps, if I can afford it in my retirement, I'd like to hire a plane to fly 
 into some un- or seldom-explored area of Yukon or Alaska and shoot with a 
 variety of formats.

 It appears that some type of elitism is being read into my remarks.  I can 
 see how that would happen.  Photography is a joy and it ought to remain so 
 for all of us.  That's why we are here, coupled with just a tad bit of brand 
 loyalty.  I would hope that the general statement *might* be taken in concert 
 with the specific ones.  If not, well, then I'll have to explain myself a bit 
 more.

 But you know, the critical comments that I've recently given -- written for 
 both compliment and for encouraging improvement -- have been well-received.  
 Nobody thought of them in any negative fashion.  I would hope for the same 
 with a more generalized statement.

 As to the quantity of work that I post:  No, it is not much.  I don't shoot a 
 lot.  The last snow shots were just for a break from house cleaning.  They 
 didn't say much if anything.  They only recorded the day and did so in a 
 manner somewhat commensurate with the modern trend of social history which 
 concentrates on the minute details involving individuals rather than the 
 major social events.  So I shot mostly leaves and buds instead of hills and 
 fields.  (It was an intentional subtext.)


 Sincerely,

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 http://kerygmainstitute.org

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Re: GESO: Beating you to a bloody pulp with floral cliches

2011-03-31 Thread steve harley

On 2011-03-31 10:59 , Tim Bray wrote:

Not only are they flower close-ups from the bokeh-crazed recent buyer
of a 100mm macro, they have raindrops! And insects!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbray/sets/72157626397375736/show/


(pro tip: take show/ off the URL, then click the magnifier for a 
non-Flash slide show)


i like the first one -- it's moody and the subject has a lot of 
potential; i would try getting even closer and/or showing it at a larger 
size; the others are interesting for me to see what others see in a 
flower; macro presents a real challenge of where to focus, or else use 
flash/high-ISO and a small aperture



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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Those are just dandy, Larry, and I'm not lyin'.

Dan

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 On Mar 31, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 Bang!
 http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/PDML/?action=viewcurrent=dandies-1.jpg

 I shoot to annoy those I can't meet in person.

 That's why I post.


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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
I shoot all manner of things, some of which might be considered cliches. I 
shoot flowers, because I'm a gardener and I like flowers. I sometimes want to 
preserve the look of a bloom at its peak, much like photographing a person in 
their best years. I shoot people in coffee shops and on the street, because I 
take delight in capturing a moment in a life -- perhaps a fleeting expression 
or a gesture. I shoot wildlife because I like tramping around in the woods, and 
I find animals attractive. I shoot my granddaughter, Grace, because I want to 
record her life. I shoot cars because I'm paid to do so. And when I get an 
assignment from the Times photo desk, I shoot whatever the hell they ask me to 
shoot. In between all that, I shoot anything that strikes my fancy and that 
might make an attractive picture. 

There's one thing I never do. I never consider whether or not someone else 
might consider my choice of subject matter to be cliched. I don't give a damn 
if they do.

Paul

On Mar 31, 2011, at 4:04 PM, AlunFoto wrote:

 I see where you come from Collin.
 However I think one man's cliche can be another man's:
 - Honest attempts to learn the craft
 - Personal joy, or even fetish
 - The closest motif at hand in a photographic epiphany
 
 Or whatever.
 
 Jostein
 
 2011/3/31 Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net:
 You post very few images so if that has any relation to your
 production at all, you must take your photography very seriously
 indeed. But one thing is a bit unclear to me; are you bothered by
 others posting pics you consider cliche, or are you bothered by your
 own development as a photographer?
 
 Jostein
 
 The question of personal offense (being bothered) seems to be pervasive.
 I think that was answered earlier so I will leave it to you for further 
 discovery.
 
 As to my personal development ... it's not so much a matter of progress as 
 of time to pursue it.  I've got some projects in mind but time just gets in 
 the way.  Over the past few years my unemployment has retracted the 
 resources to pursue doing more and better.
 
 Perhaps, if I can afford it in my retirement, I'd like to hire a plane to 
 fly into some un- or seldom-explored area of Yukon or Alaska and shoot with 
 a variety of formats.
 
 It appears that some type of elitism is being read into my remarks.  I can 
 see how that would happen.  Photography is a joy and it ought to remain so 
 for all of us.  That's why we are here, coupled with just a tad bit of brand 
 loyalty.  I would hope that the general statement *might* be taken in 
 concert with the specific ones.  If not, well, then I'll have to explain 
 myself a bit more.
 
 But you know, the critical comments that I've recently given -- written for 
 both compliment and for encouraging improvement -- have been well-received.  
 Nobody thought of them in any negative fashion.  I would hope for the same 
 with a more generalized statement.
 
 As to the quantity of work that I post:  No, it is not much.  I don't shoot 
 a lot.  The last snow shots were just for a break from house cleaning.  They 
 didn't say much if anything.  They only recorded the day and did so in a 
 manner somewhat commensurate with the modern trend of social history which 
 concentrates on the minute details involving individuals rather than the 
 major social events.  So I shot mostly leaves and buds instead of hills and 
 fields.  (It was an intentional subtext.)
 
 
 Sincerely,
 
 Collin Brendemuehl
 http://kerygmainstitute.org
 
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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread DagT
Den 31. mars 2011 kl. 19.39 skrev Collin Brendemuehl:

 The question is:  How do we better our photography and get past cliche 
 images?  Can we take it more seriously without falling into either the trap 
 of elitism or the trap of demanding a certain level of commitment from 
 others?  (That's the motivation behind my recent technical criticisms.  We 
 can do better without burning ourselves out.)

I´ve been through lots of books, thoughts, cliches and ambitions but I think I 
have ended up with something very simple (or maybe not):
- I relax taking pictures. It makes me think of something else and looking for 
things or situations that interests me.
- I am in many ways a restless person, I don´t like doing the same thing twice, 
so I guess that makes me avoid the cliches I have photographed before (but if I 
find a new cliche I will try it).
- I also found that as I take pictures of things that I find interesting the 
pictures becomes kind of an introspective tour. There´s some weird humor here, 
like looking into a distorted mirror, but also a test made on my youngest boy 
and his slightly strange visual talent made me look again.
- And I like the philosophical parts of photography, the idea of capturing the 
moment you choose, and doing that making that moment or subject in some way 
more important than all the others. Sometimes it is strange to see which 
moments I chose to remember.
- And of course I like having people look at them, sometime surprising them or 
see things from another angle, but even if I can imaging closing the web site 
and stop showing the pictures I can´t imagine not taking pictures...


So I guess I just take pictures, and sometimes I try to find out why :-)

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Re: New Pentax System...April fools'?

2011-03-31 Thread P. J. Alling

Oh come on now.  That's the same web site that breathlessly reported this...

http://k-rumors.com/k3-samsung-ready-to-drop-a-bomb-new-mirrorless-fullframe-camera-to-be-announced-in-december/

God knows what Pentax will do with a mirrorless concept camera, but I 
doubt that the Samsung rumor will never come true, in fact I'll bet 
Cotty's hat on it.  That said I have a hard time believing anything I 
read there.




On 3/30/2011 2:23 PM, Bob W wrote:

-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Jaume Lahuerta



http://k-rumors.com/first-pictures-of-the-pentax-nc-1-system/


pitched squarely at the pimp market.

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Re: Is it the lens or camera that makes the images pop in Nikon and Canons?

2011-03-31 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Questions like this make me want to bang my head against my keyboard.
 In a K-x discussion group, no less.
 Maybe I need to switch to decaf.
 http://www.flickr.com/groups/kx/discuss/72157626010685493/

What's odd is that the guy asking the question does quite good work
with his K-x. I see no lack of pop.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/48244452@N06/

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Re: OT: Friends in high places

2011-03-31 Thread Bulent Celasun

 Hell is others.


You mean us?

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Re: a fat enablement

2011-03-31 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2011-03-31 13:49, Mark Roberts wrote:


Blessed are the cheesemakers...


Actually, I think he meant all producers and purveyors of dairy 
products ...


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Re: a fat enablement

2011-03-31 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Doug Franklin
jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote:
 On 2011-03-31 13:49, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Blessed are the cheesemakers...

 Actually, I think he meant all producers and purveyors of dairy products
 ...

I am the whey, and the truth, and the life.

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RE: Why Do You Shoot

2011-03-31 Thread Jack Davis
I get a serious rush from composing pictures. If done through the viewfinder 
and I feel it's just right, I am especially pleased.
It's a glandular sense of the relative element positioning and spacial 
relationships within the frame. I often shoot aware that a PP crop will be 
needed and keenly anticipate creating the ultimate composition.
It's a feel good thing!

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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
I see where you come from Collin.

Noted and appreciated.

However I think one man's cliche can be another man's:
- Honest attempts to learn the craft
- Personal joy, or even fetish
- The closest motif at hand in a photographic epiphany

Or whatever.

Jostein

Perhaps I'm more of an objectivist than a subjectivist.
But knowing the difference is good.  Thanks.

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Re: a fat enablement

2011-03-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
have you been sniffing glue?

B

Sounds more like Charlie Sheen.

Riddle:  How much coke did Charlie Sheen snort?
Answer:  Enough to kill 2 1/2 men.

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Re: K-5 back on the wish list......

2011-03-31 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Paul Stenquist
pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Woo Hoo!

I should have added an I hope so, just in case:-)

Dave
 On Mar 31, 2011, at 10:35 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

 .. because only had to replace the water pump and intake, not the
 head gasket.

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Re: Is it the lens or camera that makes the images pop in Nikon and Canons?

2011-03-31 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Questions like this make me want to bang my head against my keyboard.
 In a K-x discussion group, no less.
 Maybe I need to switch to decaf.
 http://www.flickr.com/groups/kx/discuss/72157626010685493/

 What's odd is that the guy asking the question does quite good work
 with his K-x. I see no lack of pop.

I can see it, lower left.:-)

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Yvon Bourque's K-5 e-book review

2011-03-31 Thread Larry Colen
Out of consideration, I've cc'd Bourque on this review. I don't mean this as a 
slam of his book, but as a review. Most people appreciate knowing when others 
are discussing their work, and a few actually appreciate constructive feedback. 
I know that I don't always enjoy the feedback that I get, but I always 
appreciate the sprit that it is given in.

About the time I ordered my K-5 someone on PDML recommended Bourque's e-book, 
so I bought a copy. I've never been fond of the Pentax manuals, they discuss 
the effect that the modes are supposed to have, but don't really explain what 
the camera really does. I want something that says this mode will set the 
exposure based on the background but will use a flash so someone in the 
foreground is well exposed and not motion blurred.

Unfortunately the sample from the book available on his site doesn't actually 
include any meat just a bit of introductory material.

The link is at:
http://yvon-bourque.blogspot.com/


My biggest issues with it have to do with it being an e-book.  When I get a new 
camera, I read through the manual when I have a few spare moments, usually at 
meals at restaurants.  With an e-book that just isn't convenient, at least 
until I get some sort of tablet computer or e-book reader. So, despite having 
had the book for over three weeks, I'm only about halfway through it.  
Arguably, a bit early to write a review, but my issues so far have been more 
with the form than the content.

I know how much work it is to write a book
http://red4est.com/pdapi/body.html

And I also know how much work it is to make separate versions, and how little 
money there is in them.  That being said, if Bourque really wanted to improve 
the usefulness of this book, he'd format it in separate chapters for smaller 
files, for reading on smart phones like the moto droid or the iPhone.  Not only 
would it then be available to read in small bits when I've got a few minutes 
(grabbing food-substitute at McHell or suchlike) but it would also be available 
to use as a reference when I'm shooting.

Speaking of using it as a reference, it would be nice if the table of contents 
actually had functional links into the content.

Bourque has rudimentary copy protection on it. A simple dictionary word that if 
someone wanted to share the book they could just post or share the password. In 
short, the copy protection does nothing to really protect the copy, but it is a 
pain in the ass every time I want to read the book.

The copy I downloaded is revision 1.0, and it is rife with typos, and a few 
technical errors.  He really needs someone who hasn't read every one of his 
other books to sit down with a printout, and a red pen, and copy edit it. I 
actually considered at least doing a cut and paste of the errors that I found, 
but copy protection got in the way.

The material in the book is well written, and I feel better than the Pentax 
manual. It does seem to go into more detail, and covers the material from other 
than the corporate viewpoint.  The vast majority of the material in the book is 
for people new to not just Pentax DSLRs, but to photography in general. Most of 
the people on the PDML don't need to know about JPEG modes (though they should 
be included in a comprehensive manual), nor do they need to know how adjusting 
the f-stop affects depth of field.  These are things that I really feel ought 
to be in separate files so that downloading and decrypting the book doesn't 
take nearly so long.

The material on the actual menus is useful and comprehensive, and I'd love to 
see it as a separate file, one that I can carry on my droid, and access when 
I'm trying to figure out how to do something.  It is, unfortunately, not well 
indexed in the book, which makes it tough to use as a reference, especially 
since being electronic, you can't mark the index with one finger while you flip 
through the book to the pages referenced in the index.

Another section that I think the book would benefit from is moving to the K-5 
from other models.  If you already know how to use a K-x, or a K20, then there 
is more that you know about using the K-5 than you don't.

The book has a lot of pictures. Many of them are very pretty, at least when 
they're printed out on nice paper, I'm sure.  A lot gets lost in translation to 
the e-book format I'm afraid. Also, most of the pictures are, frankly, fluff. 
They may look nice, but they don't really convey a lot of information, and they 
take up a lot of space in the file which makes it slow to start up on anything 
but a desktop computer.  They would look great in a printed book, especially 
one that is much easier to flip pages than a monolithic PDF file, but in 
electronic formate they get in the way far more than they illustrate.

In short, if he were writing the book for someone like myself, he could edit 
the 300+ pages down to well under 100 pages, possibly as little as 50. Mind 
you, my favorite technical book of all time is The 

Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Mar 31, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Those are just dandy, Larry, and I'm not lyin'.

Thanks, but that's Steven's photo.


 
 Dan
 
 On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 
 On Mar 31, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
 
 Bang!
 http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/PDML/?action=viewcurrent=dandies-1.jpg
 
 I shoot to annoy those I can't meet in person.
 
 That's why I post.
 
 
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Re: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
That's OK.  I'm going to hit them with Round Up anyway.

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 On Mar 31, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Those are just dandy, Larry, and I'm not lyin'.

 Thanks, but that's Steven's photo.



 Dan

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 On Mar 31, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 Bang!
 http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/PDML/?action=viewcurrent=dandies-1.jpg

 I shoot to annoy those I can't meet in person.

 That's why I post.


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Re: OT using a 12 powerbook for showing photos

2011-03-31 Thread steve harley

On 2011-03-31 00:20 , Larry Colen wrote:

The first thing that I probably need to do is  pick a laptop and put together a 
collection of jpegs to show on a it, and then process them to the resolution of 
its screen.


i don't think it's essential to process to the screen size; most any 
method you choose will auto-scale, and pre-cache the scaled image so it 
shouldn't slow the slideshow; at laptop display sizes, the quality 
impact of scaling will be negligible, just make sure the images aren't 
smaller than the display


(you can test this pretty easily)

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RE: Why Do You Shoot

2011-03-31 Thread Bob W
 It's a glandular sense of the relative element positioning and spacial
 relationships within the frame.

M!

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 Sent: 31 March 2011 22:02
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 Subject: RE: Why Do You Shoot
 
 I get a serious rush from composing pictures. If done through the
 viewfinder and I feel it's just right, I am especially pleased.
 It's a glandular sense of the relative element positioning and spacial
 relationships within the frame. I often shoot aware that a PP crop will
 be needed and keenly anticipate creating the ultimate composition.
 It's a feel good thing!
 
 Jack
 
 
 
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RE: GESO: Beating you to a bloody pulp with floral cliches

2011-03-31 Thread Bob W
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Tim Bray


 
 Not only are they flower close-ups from the bokeh-crazed recent buyer
 of a 100mm macro, they have raindrops! And insects!
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbray/sets/72157626397375736/show/
 
 All rhodos  camellias because that's all that's out. -Tim

you'll be dressing up as a nun and running away from Nazis next.

B


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RE: Why do you shoot?

2011-03-31 Thread Bob W
 -Original Message-
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Collin Brendemuehl
 Sent: 31 March 2011 18:40
 To: pdml
 Subject: Why do you shoot?
 
 Tim just gave us some pretty macro flower pics.  A lot of people will
[...]

bla bla bla

[...]
 Sorry about the rant, but cliche images bother me deeply.
 

It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it as a
hobby - Elliott Erwitt

I dislike landscapes. I only like people, and plastic flowers - Elliott
Erwitt

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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Igor Roshchin

First, I was concerned if anything had happened to Larry,
that it was the last day...

Did he turn into a butterfly?.. well, sort of...
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5576209072/

As I knew, he wasn't what you'd call a blushing flower:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5576209736/

Then I couldn't figure out whether this was an artistic rendition 
(sculpture) of him:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5575621881/

... and was he posing as the already-mentioned cormo-rant?..

... Anyway...

It's a fun set!

Igor


 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:47:49PM -0500, Walter Gilbert wrote:
 Non-lightbox Flickr link:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/



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Re: More films going the way of the dodo ?

2011-03-31 Thread John Graves

BUT:

I have rediscovered film and much to my surprise, I can get what appears 
to be a close clone of Plus-X and Tri-x at a better price.  I think I 
have to dig out my older pentaxes and give this a try.  Also Kentmere 
has a bargain ASA 100  400 film that is getting some good reviews.  As 
I get older this urge to return gets stronger.


John Graves
WA1JG
jh.gra...@verizon.net

On 3/15/2011 5:32 PM, Thibouille wrote:

Maybe someone could check if he has insider informations ?

My reseller told me that although not official yet, Fuji is stopping
Neopan 400/1600 (100 still around for now).
Fuji APS-C (ouch, I meant APS) film is dead. Kodak still left with APS
but at about 10 euros per film (!!) (or was that the opposite?).
Almost all slides film is going dodo as well.

If anyone needs such film, it may be a good idea to grab a bunch of'em.


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Re: GESO: Beating you to a bloody pulp with floral cliches

2011-03-31 Thread Bruce Walker

On 11-03-31 12:59 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

Not only are they flower close-ups from the bokeh-crazed recent buyer
of a 100mm macro, they have raindrops! And insects!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbray/sets/72157626397375736/show/

All rhodos  camellias because that's all that's out. -Tim


Clichéd or not, some very nice shots there, Tim.

Faves: 0159, 0167, 0184 (a really nicely done cliché), and 0202.

-bmw


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Re: KEH has a Legendary F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6

2011-03-31 Thread steve harley

On 2011-03-31 11:38 , P. J. Alling wrote:

Legendary in some circles anyway. Going for the quite affordable price
of $126.00 US, about half of what I've seen it go for on ebay. If
anybody's looking for one grab it while you can.


i got this lens a while back as a surprise in a batch of stuff via 
Craigslist; subjectively i am very pleased with it except for 
manual-focus feel; it focuses very quickly so i have enjoyed using it in 
crowds; i need to do a shoot out with it, DA 50-200 and Vivitar S1 
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Re: GESO: Last Day with Larry

2011-03-31 Thread Larry Colen

On Mar 31, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

 
 First, I was concerned if anything had happened to Larry,
 that it was the last day...
 
 Did he turn into a butterfly?.. well, sort of...
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5576209072/

I'm a jew, not a WASP.

 
 As I knew, he wasn't what you'd call a blushing flower:
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5576209736/

But it wouldn't be the first time I was called a bloomin' idiot.



 
 Then I couldn't figure out whether this was an artistic rendition 
 (sculpture) of him:
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/5575621881/

That would be ironic, but this wasn't the set for Ferrous Beuhler's day off.


 
 ... and was he posing as the already-mentioned cormo-rant?..
 
 ... Anyway...
 
 It's a fun set!
 
 Igor
 
 
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 Non-lightbox Flickr link:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/walt_gilbert/sets/72157626396755134/
 
 
 
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Re: Being back

2011-03-31 Thread Christine Aguila

Welcome back, Boris!  Glad all is well.  Cheers, Christine


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Subject: Being back



Hello there.

It seems that the hostilities have paused for the time being. I am pretty 
much back to my normal mode of functioning.


I sincerely appreciate everyone's comments and concerns expressed on and 
off the list which in fact quite amazes me - to know that so many people 
do care.


Again, in order to negate even the most remote possibility of the flame, I 
am asking to please leave this message unanswered or at least not answered 
in a way that could provoke the other person to respond in tone.


As a matter of on-topic point, I should say that this weekend Galia and I 
spent about an hour choosing and polishing her best photos over past 3 
years (since she was 6 and shooting with Optio W30). All together 25 
photos were chosen, a JAlbum book ordered and now we're anticipating its 
arrival. In my somewhat biased view, Galia is making steady progress in 
photography as well as in her other activities.


Thanks again for your kind words!

Boris

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Re: Re: K-5

2011-03-31 Thread Christine Aguila

I should be getting my K-5 tomorrow!  cheers, Christine


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Subject: Re: Re: K-5



The K-5 feels almost as good in my hand as my MZ-S
True!
The MZ-S is ergonomically awesome. When walking with it, I can hold it in 
just three fingers (no thumb) - it's just sort of hangin' there. No other 
camera ever felt that good in my hands. But the K-5 i getting there - 
not bad at all.

Regards
Jens



Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself.

On Mar 29, 2011 05:50 Christine  Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net wrote:

Can't wait to see the pics, Paul!  Cheers, Christine
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Subject: Re: K-5


 It's a sweet camera.  The UPS guy brought mine to the door about
 1:30
 Friday.  Had a prior commitment for the weekend so I've just been
 going at
 the manual a little at a time.  Hope to get out tomorrow to give it
 a real
 try.  The K-5 feels almost as good in my hand as my MZ-S.

 BH is discounting their second day air shipping to less than $10
 and I
 discovered my credit card has a 60 day low price guarantee so I
 figured
 now was as good a time as any to get one.

 -p

 On 3/27/2011 11:11 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

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 Man, I love my K-5 already. Nicest Pentax in a long time.


 I may be getting one of those soon.  Just might do it.  Cheers,
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RE: GESO: Beating you to a bloody pulp with floral cliches

2011-03-31 Thread Jeffery Johnson
These are very nice floral captures... so glad to see color instead of what the 
winter had brought us..

On 11-03-31 12:59 PM, Tim Bray wrote:
 Not only are they flower close-ups from the bokeh-crazed recent buyer 
 of a 100mm macro, they have raindrops! And insects!
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/timbray/sets/72157626397375736/show/

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RE: OT: TAKUMAR-A Camera Lens (7632035)

2011-03-31 Thread Jeffery Johnson
Thanks for the advice... I have decided not to bid on the lens... I am still
keeping an eye out for a good and fairly cheaply priced macro lens and
perhaps a cheaply priced 28 or 50mm lens.

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Subject: Re: OT: TAKUMAR-A Camera Lens (7632035)

On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:46 -0500, Jeffery Johnson
jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Will it work with my K-R and is it worth bidding on 


Yes - and probably not.

The 'A' setting means that it will communicate with the camera but the
'Takumar' branded K-mount lenses were Pentax's second string range and
came without the multi coating  of the equivalent 'SMC Pentax' branded
versions.



Cheers

Brian

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Western Sydney Australia
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seeing as it is only
 up
 to $7 thank goodness as most of the auctions I have been watching has
 gone
 why high on the prices.
 
 http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?itemid=7632035
 
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Re: More films going the way of the dodo ?

2011-03-31 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
At 08:06 PM 3/31/2011, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:23:32 -0400
From: John Graves jh.gra...@verizon.net
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: More films going the way of the dodo ?
Message-ID: 4d950cf4.6060...@verizon.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

BUT:

I have rediscovered film and much to my surprise, I can get what appears 
to be a close clone of Plus-X and Tri-x at a better price.  

H.

I think I have to dig out my older pentaxes and give this a try.  

Yes, by all means.

Also Kentmere has a bargain ASA 100  400 film that is getting 
some good reviews.

I miss APX films, esp. APX100.

As I get older this urge to return gets stronger.

Some days I also feel like a tortoise.

John Graves
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KC8TKA

Sincerely, 

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