Dancing at 8mm

2014-01-26 Thread Larry Colen
I was at a party at a friend's house tonight. She was telling me about a
conversation she'd had, and it prompted me to put together this little 
gallery of dance photos. 

It's a shame that at f/3.5 my fisheye lens is so slow, because it can be
rather fun in the way it catches so much of the action in a small room.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157640171166164/

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K35/2 used on a Sony A7

2014-01-26 Thread Steve Cottrell
Full frame mirrorless experiences with a Pentax 35/2...

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/6018399843/using-third-party-lenses-on-
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Re: Dancing at 8mm

2014-01-26 Thread Bulent Celasun
They are fun to watch.

I like the results of the slowness of the lens;
movement is much appreciated here.


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2014-01-26 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com:
 I was at a party at a friend's house tonight. She was telling me about a
 conversation she'd had, and it prompted me to put together this little
 gallery of dance photos.

 It's a shame that at f/3.5 my fisheye lens is so slow, because it can be
 rather fun in the way it catches so much of the action in a small room.

 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157640171166164/

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Re: Photo from London: Baker Street Tube Station

2014-01-26 Thread Bulent Celasun
I especially liked the moving faint figure of a (?) girl.

It looks as if she was travelling in time.

A ghost, in a sense...

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2014-01-24 Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com:
 I'm just starting to get my photos from my trip to London sorted out.
 I did a lot of experimenting with long exposures and/or multiple
 exposures (some in-camera and some in Photoshop), both with and
 without HDR processes. I'm trying to work time into my photographs
 rather than capture a decisive moment like HCB.

 This first shot was one that I planned for and which turned out even
 better than I'd hoped. I set up in a tube station with the intention
 of combining multiple show-shutter-speed shots of the people on the
 platform with a train coming into the station. Lacking a tripod, I
 braced the camera on something solid (I forget exactly what), zone
 focused and waited for people to walk in front of the camera and for a
 train to arrive. Unusually and unfortunately there were few people
 coming through the station at that time but I did get two shots that I
 thought would work well together. I combined both images in Photoshop,
 converted to BW (which took a lot of fiddling with the color sliders
 to get looking just right) and added some noise. Here's the result:

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Re: PESO 2014 - 030 - GDG

2014-01-26 Thread David J Brooks
Love it

Dave

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 Out for my walk this morning. Bright, harsh sun, a little haze in the air. 
 Chilly at first, but warming rapidly. Some activity on the paths through 
 Guadalupe River Park, then quiet, then ...

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/12139756243/

 Thanks for looking. Comments always appreciated.

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Re: Photo from London: Baker Street Tube Station

2014-01-26 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Mark Roberts
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 I'm just starting to get my photos from my trip to London sorted out.


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Super shot

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Re: PESO. Maple leaf.

2014-01-26 Thread Attila Boros
Very nice color and texture. Since the negative space around the leaf
forms a nice balance with it, I would keep it as is.

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 It was rainy outside.
 So, a macro :)

 K20D with Sigma 70mm f/28.

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Re: PESO. Maple leaf.

2014-01-26 Thread Bulent Celasun
Thanks to all who watched and commented.
I am very pleased that the image resonates...

I do think (like Boris and Atilla) that the empty space is part of the image.
It may still work cropped.
However, that will be another image.

Have a nice Sunday (while mine is reaching the end).


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2014-01-26 Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com:
 Very nice color and texture. Since the negative space around the leaf
 forms a nice balance with it, I would keep it as is.

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Re: PESO - Boccie

2014-01-26 Thread Attila Boros
Very nice, and I also think it would work in BW.

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 A boccie game beneath the town walls of Dinon:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17663752size=lg

 or

 http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17663752-lg.jpg

 Comments?

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PESO: Lunch 4 U

2014-01-26 Thread Mark Roberts
http://www.robertstech.com/images/7de017.jpg
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Re: Dancing at 8mm

2014-01-26 Thread Attila Boros
Nicely done. Can't really judge the size of the room, through that
lens it looks rather huge:)

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 I was at a party at a friend's house tonight. She was telling me about a
 conversation she'd had, and it prompted me to put together this little
 gallery of dance photos.

 It's a shame that at f/3.5 my fisheye lens is so slow, because it can be
 rather fun in the way it catches so much of the action in a small room.

 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157640171166164/

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Re: Dancing at 8mm

2014-01-26 Thread Bruce Walker
Very, very creative, Larry. The mix of high and low perspectives, and
the 50% mirror shot make for an interesting gallery. I really like the
red with piano shot, 11451, with the blurred figure. Could be paired
with Mark's recent underground shot.


On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 I was at a party at a friend's house tonight. She was telling me about a
 conversation she'd had, and it prompted me to put together this little
 gallery of dance photos.

 It's a shame that at f/3.5 my fisheye lens is so slow, because it can be
 rather fun in the way it catches so much of the action in a small room.

 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157640171166164/

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Re: Dancing at 8mm

2014-01-26 Thread Boris Liberman
Works for me, Larry. Rather interesting effect...

On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 I was at a party at a friend's house tonight. She was telling me about a
 conversation she'd had, and it prompted me to put together this little
 gallery of dance photos.

 It's a shame that at f/3.5 my fisheye lens is so slow, because it can be
 rather fun in the way it catches so much of the action in a small room.

 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157640171166164/

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Re: PESO: Unsolicited Advice

2014-01-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Zoltar gets around...

Like your photo better than the one in this blog but
as I pass by Zoltar nearly every day thought it would be
nice to share..

http://evgrieve.com/2012/09/zoltar-arrives-on-st-marks-place-sees.html

Unlike the blogger, I did not consider Zoltar to be a welcome addition
to the corner of 2nd avenue and St Marks Place.

In BIG advice was solicited, as I recall :-)

ann



On 1/25/2014 23:57, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

Thanks, Bruce.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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bruce.wal...@gmail.com writes:
Excellent! Did Zoltar predict a good response  to this shot? He should have.


On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 8:25 PM,   eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

Taken with the Pentax X-5 on the Circus  Circus  Midway in Las  Vegas.

  http://mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/advice.html

Comments   welcome.

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Re: Pentax 1.4x converter

2014-01-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Stanley Halpin wrote:

I do not frequent the PF, I only see things there when someone here provides 
a link. So I have no way to evaluate the credibility of this rumor.

It's been confirmed by a guy who goes by the moniker of Asahi Man on
DP Review's Pentax board. Asahi Man seems to have some working
relationship with Pentax: He posts very rarely on the subject of new
products, usually only fairly close to release date and he's spot on
with every detail he reveals. He's indicated he'll be able to try out
the teleconverter (which he says Pentax is calling a Full Frame
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What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
An article in today’s Times that’s relevant to recent discussions: 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/arts/design/with-cameras-optional-new-directions-in-photography.html?_r=0

“The iPhone, the scanner and Photoshop are yielding a daunting range of 
imagery, and artists mining these new technologies are making documentation of 
the actual world seem virtually obsolete.
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Re: PESO: Unsolicited Advice

2014-01-26 Thread David J Brooks
Cool shot

Dave

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 Taken with the Pentax X-5 on the Circus Circus  Midway in Las  Vegas.

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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread J.C. O'Connell

Same goes for what is a movie?

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Re: Another PJ in trouble for Photoshopping

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Yes, with video camera, photo op, without  camera, in the wild. It did 
change the context. 

Marnie aka Doe  

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Hello Igor, I think the removal of the  video camera makes a lot of 
difference in the meaning of the photo (e.g. how  it is read by viewers). 
Without the camera, the picture looks like shot in  the wild, in actual 
action. On the contrary, with another camera within the  frame, the whole 
situation looks like (badly) staged or at least taken in  a crowd of 
photojournalists. The picture can be substantially the same, but  the 
effect 
on the public is much different.  


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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread Bob W
On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:26, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 
 Same goes for what is a movie?
 

That one's easy. It's a sequence of photographs replayed at 14fps.

On the other hand, you could, like André Bazin, ask what is cinema? Or you 
could go further, as the French cineastes do, and ask what is France? And from 
there you must ask what is French cinema?

Here begins a lifetime of fascinated bafflement as you find yourself leaving 
the salle de projection scratching your head and asking the real question, WTF 
was that all about?

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Re: Another London shot: The Coach and Horses

2014-01-26 Thread Don Guthrie

Works for me. A little surreal - a stranger in a strange land.

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London's first vegetarian pub!
This is an HDR shot, but I kept the HDRiness as restrained as I could
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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote:

On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:26, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 
 Same goes for what is a movie?
 

That one's easy. It's a sequence of photographs replayed at 14fps.

On the other hand, you could, like André Bazin, ask what is cinema? 
Or you could go further, as the French cineastes do, and ask what is 
France? And from there you must ask what is French cinema?

Here begins a lifetime of fascinated bafflement as you find yourself 
leaving the salle de projection scratching your head and asking the 
real question, WTF was that all about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbAohexT0Ho

 
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Re: Another PJ in trouble for Photoshopping

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Of course it is. Photographs aren't reality. 

Cell phones and the fact everyone has cell phones with cameras now,  have 
turned up quite a few police abuses in the news. Bystanders take pictures.  
With so MANY images out there now, a photojournalist is really taking a crazy 
 risk altering a picture. 

Photographers know how much reality can be  altered just by what they 
decide to include in the frame, even without  Photoshopping, but that isn't 
really the issue.

EVERYONE knows about  Photoshopping, we are all subjected to craftily 
photographed ads all the time.  News agencies SHOULD have different standards, 
if 
they didn't, propaganda would  be too darn easy.

People need to trust they aren't being DELIBERATELY  lied to. Or forget new 
agencies altogether and just assume/admit they are  propaganda machines 
like any other Madison Ave ad company.

Marnie  

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The problem I see is that there's a basic  assumption that the photons
entering the lens and recorded on the media  somehow represent THE
TRUTH. I believe that assumption is flawed.
 

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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread Bob W
On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:40, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 
 Bob W wrote:
 
 On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:26, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 
 Same goes for what is a movie?
 
 That one's easy. It's a sequence of photographs replayed at 14fps.
 
 On the other hand, you could, like André Bazin, ask what is cinema? 
 Or you could go further, as the French cineastes do, and ask what is 
 France? And from there you must ask what is French cinema?
 
 Here begins a lifetime of fascinated bafflement as you find yourself 
 leaving the salle de projection scratching your head and asking the 
 real question, WTF was that all about?
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbAohexT0Ho
 

Ah, oui - très influencé par Cauliflower Mon Amour. I have forwarded zat to my 
French Cinema group.

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Re: PESO - Boccie

2014-01-26 Thread Don Guthrie
Interesting arrangement of people enhanced by the long shadows. Would be 
a contrasty bw. As a aside, bocci is becoming popular in small towns in 
Iowa with bocci set-ups in the town park.



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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 10:43:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Rick Womerrwomer1...@yahoo.com
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Subject: PESO - Boccie
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A boccie game beneath the town walls of Dinon:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17663752size=lg

or

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17663752-lg.jpg

Comments?

Rick



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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread Bob W
On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:34, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 
 On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:26, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 
 Same goes for what is a movie?
 
 That one's easy. It's a sequence of photographs replayed at 14fps

Ahem, 24fps. Slo-mo is frowned upon.

B

 On the other hand, you could, like André Bazin, ask what is cinema? Or you 
 could go further, as the French cineastes do, and ask what is France? And 
 from there you must ask what is French cinema?
 
 Here begins a lifetime of fascinated bafflement as you find yourself leaving 
 the salle de projection scratching your head and asking the real question, 
 WTF was that all about?
 
 B

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Re: Pentax 1.4x converter

2014-01-26 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-14x-sdm-teleconverter-surfaces.html

I was looking at the picture and something bothered me.
The curvature of the text does not match the curvature of the tc body.
The item may exist, but that picture is not of a real object.


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Re: K35/2 used on a Sony A7

2014-01-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 26, 2014, at 4:03 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

 Full frame mirrorless experiences with a Pentax 35/2...
 http://www.dpreview.com/articles/6018399843/using-third-party-lenses-on-the-sony-a7-a7r

Hmm. To my ear, this guy is making noise about things which are completely 
inconsequential. Most of what he calls problems are not, and the notion that it 
is difficult to manual focus with an EVF that has excellent focus peaking and 
magnification like the A7 implies that his expectations are that the camera 
will do all the work for him. To me, that's simply the wrong attitude: don't 
waste your time with lens adaptation and ANY camera if that's your expectation. 
But, eh?, he's a writer looking to make a buck and it's DPR. 'Nuff said.

I bought a Sony A7 specifically to use with my kit of Leica R and Nikkor SLR 
lenses, a one-size-fits-all body that can take any SLR mount (as well as some 
RF mount) lenses via adapters. I know these lenses, ancient tho they are, can 
produce the imaging magic I wanted, and I conjectured that I need the format to 
see it. While I've been adapting them to other formats for a long time and they 
work well, they simply don't work as well as they do on their native format. I 
figured the format must have something to do with it. 

I specifically chose the A7 body over the A7r body. I figured 24 Mpixel is 
enough, 36 is likely too demanding for my old lenses and unnecessary anyway, 
and that saved me $1000. I wish they'd done the same all-magnesium construction 
on the A7 too, but they went composite on the front panels. Oh well. 

Yesterday was my first shooting walk with the camera. I'd spent time before it 
arrived reading the manual and figuring out how to set it up, yesterday I had 
two goals in mind: shake out the configuration and see how well it did with the 
Leica R 50 and 90 mm lenses. I shot mostly with the 90mm lens, and made some 
adjustments to the configuration as I went along. 

Aperture priority doesn't work in the context of Auto-ISO? Nonsense, it works 
fine. It just has a fixed floor exposure time for pushing up the ISO, and it's 
a little low for longer lenses. So switch to Manual then, or shutter priority 
(same thing with adapted lenses). 

Actually, Manual exposure mode is VERY usable with this camera and Auto-ISO. 
It's very much like TAv mode on the Pentax bodies: you set the Auto-ISO range 
limits, pick your shutter and aperture settings, and go shoot. The sensor is 
quite clean, you can easily use 100-6400 without even thinking about it, and 
head further into stratospheric sensitivity without worrying too much. That's 
six stops range on Auto-ISO, minimum. And you have EV compensation, up to 5 
stops +/-, to work with.

The way I've got it configured now, I only very rarely need to go into the 
menus and fuss about … a good thing given the crappy menu system. All the 
controls I need are now accessible quickly through external button presses 
(sometimes a bit weirdly positioned, but my fingers can adapt) or turning 
dials. The EVF is almost as good as the one in the E-M1 … I think the Olympus 
EVF optics are better. I can flip the focus magnification and peaking assists 
on and off easily, I can set the ISO, focus, aperture, shutter time, and EV 
compensation all directly, etc. The way I have the camera set up, it feels for 
all the world like I'm shooting with my favorite old Nikon FE2 with MD-12 motor 
drive—but smaller, lighter, handier, and with instantaneous viewfinder feedback 
pre-exposure and post-exposure review. The shutter even sounds similar.

And the results? My hunch is so far working out … I think the A7 24Mpixel 
sensor is an very good match to the Leica R and Nikkor SLR lenses (and probably 
by extension to Pentax, Olympus, Canon FD, Minolta, etc, lenses). I compared 
some exposures made on film with the Leicaflex SL/Summicron-R 90mm combination 
to similar photos made with the A7 by imaging them on my full 27 computer 
screen. They have the same look and feel, something I didn't see adapting these 
lenses to smaller formats, and the corner/edge renderings (where you see the 
most problems with adapted lenses on FF sensors) are near-to-identical on 
lateral CA, 'smearing', etc. The Summilux-R 50/1.4 does about the same. I'll be 
testing the 24mm soon, hopefully that will hold up as well, and after that I'll 
be testing some of my M-mount lenses (I expect more issues as the mount 
registration is much shorter, adaptation is fussier*). 

At this point in time, I have little but praise for the A7 used for these 
purposes. Sure, it's a clunky little POS in some respects, and Sony would do 
well to hire a couple of photographers to aid in the design of camera 
ergonomics and menu layout, but the bottom line is that it can be configured to 
work very nicely indeed, and the image quality is indeed delightful. 

* I hear that three of my M-mount lenses do perform well on it: the Ultron 28mm 
f/2, the M-Rokkor 40mm f/2, and 

Re: PESO: Lunch 4 U

2014-01-26 Thread Jack Davis
My, this is a beautiful image, Mark.
An example of exceptional compositionsal and technical skills.

Jack





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http://www.robertstech.com/images/7de017.jpg
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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread J.C. O'Connell

On 1/26/2014 11:34 AM, Bob W wrote:

On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:26, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:

Same goes for what is a movie?


That one's easy. It's a sequence of photographs replayed at 14fps.

On the other hand, you could, like André Bazin, ask what is cinema? Or you 
could go further, as the French cineastes do, and ask what is France? And from 
there you must ask what is French cinema?

Here begins a lifetime of fascinated bafflement as you find yourself leaving 
the salle de projection scratching your head and asking the real question, WTF 
was that all about?

B

As long as Brigitte Bardot was in it, I dont care.

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Re: PESO: Unsolicited Advice

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
I see the reflection Change floating by his head as his unsolicited  
advice. 
 
I don't want to, thanks very much. :-)

It was definitely solicited  in Big. I got a kick out of Zoltar, so retro.

Thanks for looking. Marnie  :-)  I guess he was rather famous re blog. 

In a message dated  1/26/2014 7:40:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
ann...@nyc.rr.com  writes:
Zoltar gets around...

Like your photo better than the one in  this blog but
as I pass by Zoltar nearly every day thought it would  be
nice to  share..

http://evgrieve.com/2012/09/zoltar-arrives-on-st-marks-place-sees.html

Unlike  the blogger, I did not consider Zoltar to be a welcome addition
to the corner  of 2nd avenue and St Marks Place.

In BIG advice was solicited, as I  recall :-)

ann



On 1/25/2014 23:57, eactiv...@aol.com  wrote:
 Thanks, Bruce.

 Marnie aka Doe   :-)

 In a message dated 1/25/2014 5:38:10 P.M. Pacific Standard  Time,
 bruce.wal...@gmail.com writes:
 Excellent! Did Zoltar  predict a good response  to this shot? He should  
have.


 On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 8:25 PM,eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 Taken with the Pentax X-5 on the  Circus  Circus  Midway in Las   Vegas.

http://mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/advice.html

  Comments   welcome.

 Marnie aka Doe  ;-)


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Re: PESO - Boccie

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Looks like a really strenuous sport. :-) I long  for a closer up shot, 
myself.

HTH, Marnie 

In a message dated  1/25/2014 10:43:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
rwomer1...@yahoo.com writes:
A  boccie game beneath the town walls of  Dinon:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17663752size=lg

or

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17663752-lg.jpg

Comments?

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Re: PESO - Ceremony

2014-01-26 Thread knarf
It's a bad photo.

Please ignore.

Thanks! 

frank

Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
Dunno, Knarf.  Is it a weasel? Feather boa?

Rick

On Jan 24, 2014, at 11:41 PM, knarf wrote:

 Toby with furry friend:
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/01/ceremony.html?m=1
 
 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
 
 Cheers,
 frank 
 
 
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Re: February PUG - Countdown

2014-01-26 Thread P.J. Alling

I missed the last few PUGs even those for which I had appropriate images.

This will be tough, I don't have any feathered friends only 
acquaintances...


On 1/25/2014 4:07 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

..and Happy Australia Day to my fellow Aussies.

There's but a few days left for submissions for the February PUG - 
only a couple so far.


Theme: Feathered Friends

Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

The main requirements are:
* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body 
or lens used is Pentax.
* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to 
ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line.





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Re: K35/2 used on a Sony A7

2014-01-26 Thread Steve Cottrell
Interesting read Godders, many thanks!


On 26/1/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

Hmm. To my ear, this guy is making noise about things which are
completely inconsequential. Most of what he calls problems are not, and
the notion that it is difficult to manual focus with an EVF that has
excellent focus peaking and magnification like the A7 implies that his
expectations are that the camera will do all the work for him. To me,
that's simply the wrong attitude: don't waste your time with lens
adaptation and ANY camera if that's your expectation. But, eh?, he's a
writer looking to make a buck and it's DPR. 'Nuff said.

I bought a Sony A7 specifically to use with my kit of Leica R and Nikkor
SLR lenses, a one-size-fits-all body that can take any SLR mount (as
well as some RF mount) lenses via adapters. I know these lenses, ancient
tho they are, can produce the imaging magic I wanted, and I conjectured
that I need the format to see it. While I've been adapting them to other
formats for a long time and they work well, they simply don't work as
well as they do on their native format. I figured the format must have
something to do with it. 

I specifically chose the A7 body over the A7r body. I figured 24 Mpixel
is enough, 36 is likely too demanding for my old lenses and unnecessary
anyway, and that saved me $1000. I wish they'd done the same all-
magnesium construction on the A7 too, but they went composite on the
front panels. Oh well. 

Yesterday was my first shooting walk with the camera. I'd spent time
before it arrived reading the manual and figuring out how to set it up,
yesterday I had two goals in mind: shake out the configuration and see
how well it did with the Leica R 50 and 90 mm lenses. I shot mostly with
the 90mm lens, and made some adjustments to the configuration as I went
along. 

Aperture priority doesn't work in the context of Auto-ISO? Nonsense, it
works fine. It just has a fixed floor exposure time for pushing up the
ISO, and it's a little low for longer lenses. So switch to Manual then,
or shutter priority (same thing with adapted lenses). 

Actually, Manual exposure mode is VERY usable with this camera and Auto-
ISO. It's very much like TAv mode on the Pentax bodies: you set the Auto-
ISO range limits, pick your shutter and aperture settings, and go shoot.
The sensor is quite clean, you can easily use 100-6400 without even
thinking about it, and head further into stratospheric sensitivity
without worrying too much. That's six stops range on Auto-ISO, minimum.
And you have EV compensation, up to 5 stops +/-, to work with.

The way I've got it configured now, I only very rarely need to go into
the menus and fuss about ... a good thing given the crappy menu system.
All the controls I need are now accessible quickly through external
button presses (sometimes a bit weirdly positioned, but my fingers can
adapt) or turning dials. The EVF is almost as good as the one in the E-
M1 ... I think the Olympus EVF optics are better. I can flip the focus
magnification and peaking assists on and off easily, I can set the ISO,
focus, aperture, shutter time, and EV compensation all directly, etc.
The way I have the camera set up, it feels for all the world like I'm
shooting with my favorite old Nikon FE2 with MD-12 motor drive--but
smaller, lighter, handier, and with instantaneous viewfinder feedback
pre-exposure and post-exposure review. The shutter even sounds similar.

And the results? My hunch is so far working out ... I think the A7
24Mpixel sensor is an very good match to the Leica R and Nikkor SLR
lenses (and probably by extension to Pentax, Olympus, Canon FD, Minolta,
etc, lenses). I compared some exposures made on film with the Leicaflex
SL/Summicron-R 90mm combination to similar photos made with the A7 by
imaging them on my full 27 computer screen. They have the same look and
feel, something I didn't see adapting these lenses to smaller formats,
and the corner/edge renderings (where you see the most problems with
adapted lenses on FF sensors) are near-to-identical on lateral CA,
'smearing', etc. The Summilux-R 50/1.4 does about the same. I'll be
testing the 24mm soon, hopefully that will hold up as well, and after
that I'll be testing some of my M-mount lenses (I expect more issues as
the mount registration is much shorter, adaptation is fussier*). 

At this point in time, I have little but praise for the A7 used for
these purposes. Sure, it's a clunky little POS in some respects, and
Sony would do well to hire a couple of photographers to aid in the
design of camera ergonomics and menu layout, but the bottom line is that
it can be configured to work very nicely indeed, and the image quality
is indeed delightful. 

* I hear that three of my M-mount lenses do perform well on it: the
Ultron 28mm f/2, the M-Rokkor 40mm f/2, and the M-Rokkor 90mm f/4. If
this is true, given that the mount adapter is much shorter and these
lenses much shorter than the SLR lenses, it seems I will then 

Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Go you one better -- What is reality?

My definition:  a  photograph is art and/or documentary or somewhere in 
between. (Thinking of the  Photojournalism thread.)

Physical objects are easy. A chair is a chair. A  photo of a chair is a 
photo of a chair. 

But what is a war/a protest march/an airplane crash/a massive flood/a  
political meeting? And what are photographs of those events? 

It all  becomes subjective rather quickly.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)  I've never  been able to come up with a good definition 
for reality, myself.

In a  message dated 1/26/2014 9:06:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
p...@web-options.com  writes:
On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:34, Bob W p...@web-options.com  wrote:
 
 On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:26, J.C. O'Connell  hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 
 Same goes for what is  a movie?
 
 That one's easy. It's a sequence of photographs  replayed at 14fps

Ahem, 24fps. Slo-mo is frowned upon.

B
 

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Re: PESO: Unsolicited Advice

2014-01-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 1/26/2014 12:39, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

I see the reflection Change floating by his head as his unsolicited
advice.




I don't want to, thanks very much. :-)


Here I am, sign shooter, and i missed that... but in my defense
it being written in that funny font and in reverse - I didn't see
it as anything but a form.

ann


It was definitely solicited  in Big. I got a kick out of Zoltar, so retro.

Thanks for looking. Marnie  :-)  I guess he was rather famous re blog.

In a message dated  1/26/2014 7:40:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
ann...@nyc.rr.com  writes:
Zoltar gets around...

Like your photo better than the one in  this blog but
as I pass by Zoltar nearly every day thought it would  be
nice to  share..

http://evgrieve.com/2012/09/zoltar-arrives-on-st-marks-place-sees.html

Unlike  the blogger, I did not consider Zoltar to be a welcome addition
to the corner  of 2nd avenue and St Marks Place.

In BIG advice was solicited, as I  recall :-)

ann



On 1/25/2014 23:57, eactiv...@aol.com  wrote:

Thanks, Bruce.

Marnie aka Doe   :-)

In a message dated 1/25/2014 5:38:10 P.M. Pacific Standard  Time,
bruce.wal...@gmail.com writes:
Excellent! Did Zoltar  predict a good response  to this shot? He should

have.



On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 8:25 PM,eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

Taken with the Pentax X-5 on the  Circus  Circus  Midway in Las   Vegas.

http://mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/advice.html

  Comments   welcome.

Marnie aka Doe  ;-)


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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread knarf
I think my head's going to explode.

cheers,
frank

eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
Go you one better -- What is reality?

My definition:  a  photograph is art and/or documentary or somewhere in

between. (Thinking of the  Photojournalism thread.)

Physical objects are easy. A chair is a chair. A  photo of a chair is a

photo of a chair. 

But what is a war/a protest march/an airplane crash/a massive flood/a  
political meeting? And what are photographs of those events? 

It all  becomes subjective rather quickly.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)  I've never  been able to come up with a good
definition 
for reality, myself.

In a  message dated 1/26/2014 9:06:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
p...@web-options.com  writes:
On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:34, Bob W p...@web-options.com  wrote:
 
 On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:26, J.C. O'Connell  hifis...@gate.net
wrote:
 
 Same goes for what is  a movie?
 
 That one's easy. It's a sequence of photographs  replayed at 14fps

Ahem, 24fps. Slo-mo is frowned upon.

B
 

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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread P.J. Alling
I skimmed it, there may actually be a new thought in there, but it's not 
worth my while to find out.


On 1/26/2014 11:18 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

An article in today’s Times that’s relevant to recent discussions: 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/arts/design/with-cameras-optional-new-directions-in-photography.html?_r=0

“The iPhone, the scanner and Photoshop are yielding a daunting range of imagery, and 
artists mining these new technologies are making documentation of the actual world 
seem virtually obsolete.



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Re: Another London shot: The Coach and Horses

2014-01-26 Thread Bulent Celasun
A fitting post processing for the subject. Moody.

A vegetarian pub is also a splendid idea!

Bulent
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http://celasun.wordpress.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/
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2014-01-25 Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com:
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7de01229-32.jpg
 London's first vegetarian pub!
 This is an HDR shot, but I kept the HDRiness as restrained as I could
 under the circumstances. Gotta love the look of web pavement.

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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

2014-01-26 Thread Bulent Celasun
Lovely effect from a custom made lens.

Compared to a usual lens, it seems to save a lot of post processing
time to reach a similar result.

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2014-01-25 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 Hi!

 Have a look here:

 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

 This shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a kind
 lens that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography related
 works including some very interesting lenses.

 This one is Chevalier landscape lens and it was made to my custom order in a
 barrel with native Leica mount, though no rangefinder coupling. The focal
 length is 38 mm.

 I am very happy about the shots I've been getting from it.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/ and
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two examples.

 Cheers!

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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread Bruce Walker
I read it thoroughly. It was worth my while.

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 I skimmed it, there may actually be a new thought in there, but it's not
 worth my while to find out.


 On 1/26/2014 11:18 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 An article in today’s Times that’s relevant to recent discussions:
 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/arts/design/with-cameras-optional-new-directions-in-photography.html?_r=0

 “The iPhone, the scanner and Photoshop are yielding a daunting range of
 imagery, and artists mining these new technologies are making documentation
 of the actual world seem virtually obsolete.



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Re: PESO - Boccie

2014-01-26 Thread Rick Womer
Might try that. Thanks, Atilla.

Rick

On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Attila Boros wrote:

 Very nice, and I also think it would work in BW.
 
 On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 A boccie game beneath the town walls of Dinon:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17663752size=lg
 
 or
 
 http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17663752-lg.jpg
 
 Comments?
 
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Re: PESO - Boccie

2014-01-26 Thread Rick Womer
Sorry, Marnie, that's as close as I have.  It was the arrangement of the men 
and their shadows that attracted me.  I have action (such as it is) shots of 
someone tossing one of the balls, but they don't work well because the balls 
blend into the background.

Rick

On Jan 26, 2014, at 12:42 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

 Looks like a really strenuous sport. :-) I long  for a closer up shot, 
 myself.
 
 HTH, Marnie 
 
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 A  boccie game beneath the town walls of  Dinon:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17663752size=lg
 
 or
 
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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

2014-01-26 Thread knarf
I thought I replied to this yesterday but it appears I was mistaken.

I like it. A lot.

Proves that sharpness isn't everything. Beautifully composed and rendered. 

Cheers 
frank

Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!

Have a look here:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

This shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a 
kind lens that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography 
related works including some very interesting lenses.

This one is Chevalier landscape lens and it was made to my custom order

in a barrel with native Leica mount, though no rangefinder coupling.
The 
focal length is 38 mm.

I am very happy about the shots I've been getting from it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/ and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two examples.

Cheers!

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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread Stanley Halpin

On Jan 26, 2014, at 1:26 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think my head's going to explode.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 

Hold on Frank - I’ll be right over to take a photo of that event… I suspect it 
will be a subjective interpretation.

stan

 eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 Go you one better -- What is reality?
 
 My definition:  a  photograph is art and/or documentary or somewhere in
 
 between. (Thinking of the  Photojournalism thread.)
 
 Physical objects are easy. A chair is a chair. A  photo of a chair is a
 
 photo of a chair. 
 
 But what is a war/a protest march/an airplane crash/a massive flood/a  
 political meeting? And what are photographs of those events? 
 
 It all  becomes subjective rather quickly.
 
 Marnie aka Doe ;-)  I've never  been able to come up with a good
 definition 
 for reality, myself.
 
 In a  message dated 1/26/2014 9:06:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
 p...@web-options.com  writes:
 On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:34, Bob W p...@web-options.com  wrote:
 
 On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:26, J.C. O'Connell  hifis...@gate.net
 wrote:
 
 Same goes for what is  a movie?
 
 That one's easy. It's a sequence of photographs  replayed at 14fps
 
 Ahem, 24fps. Slo-mo is frowned upon.
 
 B
 
 
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Re: Another PJ in trouble for Photoshopping

2014-01-26 Thread knarf
Photographs aren't reality?

Your going to have to define what you consider reality to be, Marnie.

The subject of a photo is real. (I'm talking about a traditional photograph 
taken by a camera/lens onto a light-sensitive surface)

The photo itself is most certainly real. Even if it has been manipulated or 
altered, it most certainly is a real, existing thing.

Perhaps what you meant is that a photo is not always (or even ever) a 
completely accurate portrayal of the subject? That certainly isn't the same as 
saying photos aren't reality, because they are. 

It's fidelity to the photographed subject/event that's at issue. 

It's snowing and quite beautiful out. I'm going to go take photos now. They 
will be a representation/portrayal of reality, I assure you.

;-)

Cheers,
frank




eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
Of course it is. Photographs aren't reality. 

Cell phones and the fact everyone has cell phones with cameras now, 
have 
turned up quite a few police abuses in the news. Bystanders take
pictures.  
With so MANY images out there now, a photojournalist is really taking a
crazy 
 risk altering a picture. 

Photographers know how much reality can be  altered just by what they

decide to include in the frame, even without  Photoshopping, but that
isn't 
really the issue.

EVERYONE knows about  Photoshopping, we are all subjected to craftily 
photographed ads all the time.  News agencies SHOULD have different
standards, if 
they didn't, propaganda would  be too darn easy.

People need to trust they aren't being DELIBERATELY  lied to. Or forget
new 
agencies altogether and just assume/admit they are  propaganda machines

like any other Madison Ave ad company.

Marnie  

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caka...@gmail.com writes:
The problem I see is that there's a basic  assumption that the photons
entering the lens and recorded on the media  somehow represent THE
TRUTH. I believe that assumption is flawed.
 

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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread knarf
I'll take a selfie of the event. That will be subject too.

But it will be a representation of a real event...

:-)

Cheers,
frank

Stanley Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote:

On Jan 26, 2014, at 1:26 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think my head's going to explode.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 

Hold on Frank - I’ll be right over to take a photo of that event… I
suspect it will be a subjective interpretation.

stan

 eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 Go you one better -- What is reality?
 
 My definition:  a  photograph is art and/or documentary or somewhere
in
 
 between. (Thinking of the  Photojournalism thread.)
 
 Physical objects are easy. A chair is a chair. A  photo of a chair
is a
 
 photo of a chair. 
 
 But what is a war/a protest march/an airplane crash/a massive
flood/a  
 political meeting? And what are photographs of those events? 
 
 It all  becomes subjective rather quickly.
 
 Marnie aka Doe ;-)  I've never  been able to come up with a good
 definition 
 for reality, myself.
 
 In a  message dated 1/26/2014 9:06:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
 p...@web-options.com  writes:
 On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:34, Bob W p...@web-options.com  wrote:
 
 On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:26, J.C. O'Connell  hifis...@gate.net
 wrote:
 
 Same goes for what is  a movie?
 
 That one's easy. It's a sequence of photographs  replayed at 14fps
 
 Ahem, 24fps. Slo-mo is frowned upon.
 
 B
 
 
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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread knarf
Meant to say it will be subjective, too...

Cheers 
frank

Stanley Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote:

On Jan 26, 2014, at 1:26 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think my head's going to explode.
 
 cheers,
 frank
 

Hold on Frank - I’ll be right over to take a photo of that event… I
suspect it will be a subjective interpretation.

stan

 eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 Go you one better -- What is reality?
 
 My definition:  a  photograph is art and/or documentary or somewhere
in
 
 between. (Thinking of the  Photojournalism thread.)
 
 Physical objects are easy. A chair is a chair. A  photo of a chair
is a
 
 photo of a chair. 
 
 But what is a war/a protest march/an airplane crash/a massive
flood/a  
 political meeting? And what are photographs of those events? 
 
 It all  becomes subjective rather quickly.
 
 Marnie aka Doe ;-)  I've never  been able to come up with a good
 definition 
 for reality, myself.
 
 In a  message dated 1/26/2014 9:06:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
 p...@web-options.com  writes:
 On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:34, Bob W p...@web-options.com  wrote:
 
 On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:26, J.C. O'Connell  hifis...@gate.net
 wrote:
 
 Same goes for what is  a movie?
 
 That one's easy. It's a sequence of photographs  replayed at 14fps
 
 Ahem, 24fps. Slo-mo is frowned upon.
 
 B
 
 
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Re: PESO: Lunch 4 U

2014-01-26 Thread David J Brooks
has that mid evil feel to it

Dave

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Re: February PUG - Countdown

2014-01-26 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:


I missed the last few PUGs even those for which I had appropriate images.

This will be tough, I don't have any feathered friends only acquaintances...



Acquaintances are fine.  Even colleagues will do...


Cheers

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On 1/25/2014 4:07 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

..and Happy Australia Day to my fellow Aussies.

There's but a few days left for submissions for the February PUG -  
only a couple so far.


Theme: Feathered Friends

Submit here: http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here: http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

The main requirements are:
* Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera  
body or lens used is Pentax.
* If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to  
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Environmental protection for 120 film.

2014-01-26 Thread P.J. Alling
For anyone still shooting with their Pentax 67 or film 645 MM minis are 
back for Valentines day.  The 1.08 oz tube is a pretty good fit for a 
roll of 120 film, just a bit long.  However compared to tubes for 120 
film sold online the price is right, and you get free candy.


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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
We aim to please.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)  

In a message dated 1/26/2014 10:26:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
knarftheria...@gmail.com writes:
I think my head's going to  explode.

cheers,
frank

eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
Go you  one better -- What is reality?

My definition:  a   photograph is art and/or documentary or somewhere in

between.  (Thinking of the  Photojournalism thread.)

Physical objects  are easy. A chair is a chair. A  photo of a chair is a

photo  of a chair. 

But what is a war/a protest march/an airplane  crash/a massive flood/a  
political meeting? And what are  photographs of those events? 

It all  becomes subjective  rather quickly.

Marnie aka Doe ;-)  I've never  been  able to come up with a good
definition 
for reality,  myself.

In a  message dated 1/26/2014 9:06:21 A.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
p...@web-options.com  writes:
On 26 Jan 2014,  at 16:34, Bob W p...@web-options.com  wrote:
  
 On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:26, J.C. O'Connell   hifis...@gate.net
wrote:
 
 Same  goes for what is  a movie?
 
 That one's easy. It's  a sequence of photographs  replayed at 14fps

Ahem, 24fps.  Slo-mo is frowned upon.

B
 

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Re: PESO: Lunch 4 U

2014-01-26 Thread P.J. Alling

Is that as opposed to lesser evil or greater evil.

On 1/26/2014 2:34 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

has that mid evil feel to it

Dave

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Re: PESO: Lunch 4 U

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Not fond of the rendering, looks a little too  plastic to me, but I like 
the shot.

Marnie aka Doe   Take all  comments with a grain of salt. :-)

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Re: PESO: Lunch 4 U

2014-01-26 Thread Mark Roberts
David J Brooks wrote:

On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Mark Roberts
postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 http://www.robertstech.com/images/7de017.jpg
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has that mid evil feel to it

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Re: Another PJ in trouble for Photoshopping

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Yup, the below.

Marnie  These kinds  of discussion give me headaches too, so flippancy is 
my tendency.   :-)

In a message dated 1/26/2014 11:25:59 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
knarftheria...@gmail.com writes:
Perhaps what you meant is that a photo is  not always (or even ever) a 
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Re: PESO. Maple leaf.

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
O, nice. Good placement in frame and nice  details and all that stuff.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

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bulent.cela...@gmail.com  writes:
It was rainy outside.
So, a macro :)

K20D with Sigma 70mm  f/28.

http://celasun.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/maple-leaf/

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Re: Another PJ in trouble for Photoshopping

2014-01-26 Thread P.J. Alling
What we have here is photographer as witness and photograph as 
testimony.  Modifying the photograph to removing an element with 
Photoshop even if it's just to make the image cleaner supposedly strikes 
at the credibility of the witness. I also know from personal experience 
that an editor can crop a photograph to completely change the story, or 
ignore it entirely.


On 1/26/2014 2:25 PM, knarf wrote:

Photographs aren't reality?

Your going to have to define what you consider reality to be, Marnie.

The subject of a photo is real. (I'm talking about a traditional photograph 
taken by a camera/lens onto a light-sensitive surface)

The photo itself is most certainly real. Even if it has been manipulated or 
altered, it most certainly is a real, existing thing.

Perhaps what you meant is that a photo is not always (or even ever) a completely 
accurate portrayal of the subject? That certainly isn't the same as saying photos aren't 
reality, because they are.

It's fidelity to the photographed subject/event that's at issue.

It's snowing and quite beautiful out. I'm going to go take photos now. They 
will be a representation/portrayal of reality, I assure you.

;-)

Cheers,
frank




eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

Of course it is. Photographs aren't reality.

Cell phones and the fact everyone has cell phones with cameras now,
have
turned up quite a few police abuses in the news. Bystanders take
pictures.
With so MANY images out there now, a photojournalist is really taking a
crazy
risk altering a picture.

Photographers know how much reality can be  altered just by what they

decide to include in the frame, even without  Photoshopping, but that
isn't
really the issue.

EVERYONE knows about  Photoshopping, we are all subjected to craftily
photographed ads all the time.  News agencies SHOULD have different
standards, if
they didn't, propaganda would  be too darn easy.

People need to trust they aren't being DELIBERATELY  lied to. Or forget
new
agencies altogether and just assume/admit they are  propaganda machines

like any other Madison Ave ad company.

Marnie

In a message dated 1/23/2014 7:49:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
caka...@gmail.com writes:
The problem I see is that there's a basic  assumption that the photons
entering the lens and recorded on the media  somehow represent THE
TRUTH. I believe that assumption is flawed.


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Re: Another PJ in trouble for Photoshopping

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Well said. 

M ak D

In a message  dated 1/26/2014 1:20:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
webstertwenty...@gmail.com  writes:
What we have here is photographer as witness and photograph as  
testimony.  Modifying the photograph to removing an element with  
Photoshop even if it's just to make the image cleaner supposedly strikes  
at the credibility of the witness. I also know from personal experience  
that an editor can crop a photograph to completely change the story, or  
ignore it entirely.

On 1/26/2014 2:25 PM, knarf wrote:
  Photographs aren't reality?

 Your going to have to define what  you consider reality to be, Marnie.

 The subject of a photo is  real. (I'm talking about a traditional 
photograph taken by a camera/lens onto  a light-sensitive surface)

 The photo itself is most certainly  real. Even if it has been manipulated 
or altered, it most certainly is a real,  existing thing.

 Perhaps what you meant is that a photo is not  always (or even ever) a 
completely accurate portrayal of the subject? That  certainly isn't the same 
as saying photos aren't reality, because they  are.

 It's fidelity to the photographed subject/event that's at  issue.

 It's snowing and quite beautiful out. I'm going to go  take photos now. 
They will be a representation/portrayal of reality, I assure  you.

 ;-)

 Cheers,
  frank




 eactiv...@aol.com  wrote:
 Of course it is. Photographs aren't  reality.

 Cell phones and the fact everyone has cell  phones with cameras now,
 have
 turned up quite a few  police abuses in the news. Bystanders take
 pictures.
  With so MANY images out there now, a photojournalist is really taking  a
 crazy
 risk altering a picture.

  Photographers know how much reality can be  altered just by what  they

 decide to include in the frame, even without   Photoshopping, but that
 isn't
 really the  issue.

 EVERYONE knows about  Photoshopping, we are  all subjected to craftily
 photographed ads all the time.  News  agencies SHOULD have different
 standards, if
 they  didn't, propaganda would  be too darn easy.

 People  need to trust they aren't being DELIBERATELY  lied to. Or  forget
 new
 agencies altogether and just assume/admit  they are  propaganda machines

 like any other  Madison Ave ad company.

 Marnie

  In a message dated 1/23/2014 7:49:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
  caka...@gmail.com writes:
 The problem I see is that there's a  basic  assumption that the photons
 entering the lens and  recorded on the media  somehow represent THE
 TRUTH. I believe  that assumption is flawed.

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Re: PESO: Unsolicited Advice

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Actually, I mentioned it because I was surprised  *you* didn't catch it. 
Heh.

I suppose because it is reversed, it could  mean don't change. 

Anyway, I've decided to take it that  way.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)  Thanks for taking a second look.  

In a message dated 1/26/2014 10:25:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
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On 1/26/2014 12:39, eactiv...@aol.com  wrote:
 I see the reflection Change floating by his head as his  unsolicited
 advice.


 I don't want to, thanks very  much. :-)

Here I am, sign shooter, and i missed that... but in my  defense
it being written in that funny font and in reverse - I didn't  see
it as anything but a form.

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Re: PESO 2014 - 030 - GDG

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Nice! Exuberant.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

In a message dated 1/25/2014 1:09:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
godfreydigio...@me.com writes:
Out for my walk this morning. Bright, harsh  sun, a little haze in the air. 
Chilly at first, but warming rapidly. Some  activity on the paths through 
Guadalupe River Park, then quiet, then  ...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/12139756243/

Thanks for  looking. Comments always appreciated.

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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Jan 26, 2014, at 1:03 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

 Go you one better -- What is reality?
 
 My definition:  a  photograph is art and/or documentary or somewhere in 
 between. (Thinking of the  Photojournalism thread.)
 

And according to some of the art museum curators interviewed for the Times 
article, it doesn’t necessarily involve a camera or lens. An example would be a 
photographic image made by arranging objects on a scanner, then printing the 
resulting digital file. But no one is really trying to provide a firm answer, 
just raising the question. 

Paul


 Physical objects are easy. A chair is a chair. A  photo of a chair is a 
 photo of a chair. 
 
 But what is a war/a protest march/an airplane crash/a massive flood/a  
 political meeting? And what are photographs of those events? 
 
 It all  becomes subjective rather quickly.
 
 Marnie aka Doe ;-)  I've never  been able to come up with a good definition 
 for reality, myself.
 
 In a  message dated 1/26/2014 9:06:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
 p...@web-options.com  writes:
 On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:34, Bob W p...@web-options.com  wrote:
 
 On 26 Jan 2014, at 16:26, J.C. O'Connell  hifis...@gate.net wrote:
 
 Same goes for what is  a movie?
 
 That one's easy. It's a sequence of photographs  replayed at 14fps
 
 Ahem, 24fps. Slo-mo is frowned upon.
 
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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Yes I found that part intriguing. Hadn't thought  about it, now I might try 
it. (i.e. scanner image/collage).

Marnie aka  Doe :-)  It was an interesting article, Paul.

In a message dated  1/26/2014 1:27:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
pnstenqu...@comcast.net  writes:
And according to some of the art museum curators interviewed for the  Times 
article, it doesn't necessarily involve a camera or lens. An example would  
be a photographic image made by arranging objects on a scanner, then 
printing  the resulting digital file. But no one is really trying to provide a 
firm  answer, just raising the question. 

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Re: FS Friday: Vivitar Series One 70-210 f/2.8-4.0 (Version 3 - Komine)

2014-01-26 Thread P.J. Alling
If you do a Google search on Mark Roberts Vivitar the first actual, 
(not advert.) result is this page...


http://www.robertstech.com/vivitar.htm

I'd buy Mark's copy but I've already got my own.  It's the last third 
party lens I'd part with as long as I'm shooting Pentax.


On 1/25/2014 8:20 PM, Miserere wrote:

I first heard of you, Mark, through your page on these lenses, where
you listed the ins and outs of all the different versions. Does this
page still exist?

Nostalgia indeed, Larry.

Cheers,


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Clearing out space and putting away pennies for future purchases. This
is the third and best version of the 70-210 Vivitar Series 1. It's in
Pentax KA mount, so no Green Button metering necessary. Gets up to
1:2.5 magnification in macro mode and is very sharp. Includes original
Vivitar front lens cap and cheap Pentax rear lens cap.

$60.00 plus actual shipping costs.

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Re: Photo from London: Baker Street Tube Station

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Liked on FB, but wanted you to know I *really*  like this shot. Sort of all 
the items boiled down to their basic ingredients  type of shot.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

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I'm  just starting to get my photos from my trip to London sorted out.
I did a lot  of experimenting with long exposures and/or multiple
exposures (some  in-camera and some in Photoshop), both with and
without HDR processes. I'm  trying to work time into my photographs
rather than capture a decisive  moment like HCB.

This first shot was one that I planned for and which  turned out even
better than I'd hoped. I set up in a tube station with the  intention
of combining multiple show-shutter-speed shots of the people on  the
platform with a train coming into the station. Lacking a tripod,  I
braced the camera on something solid (I forget exactly what),  zone
focused and waited for people to walk in front of the camera and for  a
train to arrive. Unusually and unfortunately there were few  people
coming through the station at that time but I did get two shots that  I
thought would work well together. I combined both images in  Photoshop,
converted to BW (which took a lot of fiddling with the color  sliders
to get looking just right) and added some noise. Here's the  result:

http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7de01316+19a.jpg

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Re: Is this photo reminiscent of Paul's?

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Yeah, what ann said. The DOF hoovers. Paul would  never mess up that bad.

Marnie aka Doe  Being lady-like as I  sometimes am.

In a message dated 1/23/2014 1:19:38 P.M. Pacific Standard  Time, 
ann...@nyc.rr.com writes:
 Following a link from a recently posted  here article, I saw the photo of
 an old man here:
  
http://blog.photoshelter.com/2012/05/friday-happy-hour-portraits-of-life-over-80-more/
  and it caused some mixed thoughts.

 To me, it looked like a  copy-cat one (20 years later) of the famous
 Paul's photo, albeit not  on par with the original:
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3451662size=lg

 Am I  the only one who has such a reaction?

 Igor

I would  say yes, you are likely the only one.

and what a terrible  photograph!

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Re: Dancing at 8mm

2014-01-26 Thread Igor Roshchin

I wonder if it was a conversation with D-a?
At DFX, I took a bunch of shots with the 8mm fisheye, and I showed them
to her, saying that I hadn't seen anybody else using fisheye for
swing/blues dances. And she found your photos circa March of 2013, so
I stood corrected.

I think some shots are quite interesting there.
Shots from below (or above) have some better potential, specifically,
ending in 35 56, maybe 127. 
What I think is important is that in most cases you need to choose the
main object (as it is done in 904,346,701,035, 007, etc.), and 
concentrate on it.  In most cases, overview does not work that well.

I hope to get to work on my photos with the 8mm fisheye and show them
here soon. 

Igor


On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Larry Colen lrc at red4est.com wrote:
 I was at a party at a friend's house tonight. She was telling me about a
 conversation she'd had, and it prompted me to put together this little
 gallery of dance photos.

 It's a shame that at f/3.5 my fisheye lens is so slow, because it can be
 rather fun in the way it catches so much of the action in a small room.

 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157640171166164/

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Re: PESO - Nocturnal construction

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Cool shot, sort of looks like they are building  with tinker toys or 
something.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

In a message  dated 12/18/2013 6:58:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
rwomer1...@yahoo.com  writes:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17629072size=lg  


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Re: PESO Snow storm

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
I realize this is belated, but what the heck.  Better you than me, re snow.

I really like that, a very painterly  shot.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  Or charcoal or something. 

In a  message dated 12/22/2013 9:50:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
pentax1...@gmail.com writes:
About 8 inches of snow here last night.   This is what my back yard looks 
like this  morning.

http://studio1941.com/images/B-W-Back-Yard-web.jpg

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Re: Dancing at 8mm

2014-01-26 Thread Larry Colen
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 04:47:48PM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote:
 
 I wonder if it was a conversation with D-a?

:-)

Last night was Paul's birthday party.  

 At DFX, I took a bunch of shots with the 8mm fisheye, and I showed them
 to her, saying that I hadn't seen anybody else using fisheye for
 swing/blues dances. And she found your photos circa March of 2013, so
 I stood corrected.

Despite my reputation for profligate posting, Most of my dance photos 
don't even end up on flickr at all.  And I actually post a very small
percentage of my flickr photos, so there's a very good chance that I
hadn't posted them.  There's also a very good chance that if I had posted
them to PDML, you were rather busy with your new long term houseguest 
and hadn't seen them.

 
 I think some shots are quite interesting there.

Thanks.  I bought the lens on a lark, thinking of it as one step up
from a lensbaby, and have found it far more useful as a real lens 
than I ever expected.

 Shots from below (or above) have some better potential, specifically,
 ending in 35 56, maybe 127. 
 What I think is important is that in most cases you need to choose the
 main object (as it is done in 904,346,701,035, 007, etc.), and 
 concentrate on it.  In most cases, overview does not work that well.

You need to get obnoxiously close to your subject.  But it is excellent
for showing context, particularly in a small room.

 
 I hope to get to work on my photos with the 8mm fisheye and show them
 here soon. 

I'm looking forward to it.

 
 Igor
 
 
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  I was at a party at a friend's house tonight. She was telling me about a
  conversation she'd had, and it prompted me to put together this little
  gallery of dance photos.
 
  It's a shame that at f/3.5 my fisheye lens is so slow, because it can be
  rather fun in the way it catches so much of the action in a small room.
 
  http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157640171166164/
 
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GESO: Me racing

2014-01-26 Thread David Mann
Not photos by me, but photos of me racing the half-iron distance event* at the 
Challenge Wanaka triathlon festival.  There aren't many nicer places to suffer.

8 pics in the set.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/52/#geso

Cheers,
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Re: Is this photo reminiscent of Paul's?

2014-01-26 Thread knarf
The rendering is also horrible.

That's really a nasty bit of work.

Cheers,
frank

eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
Yeah, what ann said. The DOF hoovers. Paul would  never mess up that
bad.

Marnie aka Doe  Being lady-like as I  sometimes am.

In a message dated 1/23/2014 1:19:38 P.M. Pacific Standard  Time, 
ann...@nyc.rr.com writes:
 Following a link from a recently posted  here article, I saw the
photo of
 an old man here:
  
http://blog.photoshelter.com/2012/05/friday-happy-hour-portraits-of-life-over-80-more/
  and it caused some mixed thoughts.

 To me, it looked like a  copy-cat one (20 years later) of the
famous
 Paul's photo, albeit not  on par with the original:
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3451662size=lg

 Am I  the only one who has such a reaction?

 Igor

I would  say yes, you are likely the only one.

and what a terrible  photograph!

ann  

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Re: PESO Snow storm

2014-01-26 Thread knarf
Lovely!

Cheers,
frank

eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
I realize this is belated, but what the heck.  Better you than me, re
snow.

I really like that, a very painterly  shot.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  Or charcoal or something. 

In a  message dated 12/22/2013 9:50:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
pentax1...@gmail.com writes:
About 8 inches of snow here last night.   This is what my back yard
looks 
like this  morning.

http://studio1941.com/images/B-W-Back-Yard-web.jpg

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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread P.J. Alling
I think that putting leaves or other items on a sensitized material and 
exposing to light, used to be called something like photogram.  There 
was a scientific play kit that came with plastic negatives a frame 
to hold the paper and of course a light sensitive paper that turned sort 
of purple when exposed to the sun.  I don't remember if there was some 
way to fix the image as I got the kit when I was approximately 10 
years old.


On 1/26/2014 4:34 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

Yes I found that part intriguing. Hadn't thought  about it, now I might try
it. (i.e. scanner image/collage).

Marnie aka  Doe :-)  It was an interesting article, Paul.

In a message dated  1/26/2014 1:27:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
pnstenqu...@comcast.net  writes:
And according to some of the art museum curators interviewed for the  Times
article, it doesn't necessarily involve a camera or lens. An example would
be a photographic image made by arranging objects on a scanner, then
printing  the resulting digital file. But no one is really trying to provide a
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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
That's really soft. Interesting, good  composition, but not really sure I 
like it.

Marnie aka Doe :-) Take with  a grain of salt.

In a message dated 1/25/2014 10:13:44 A.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
bori...@gmail.com writes:
Hi!

Have a look  here:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

This  shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a 
kind lens  that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography 
related works  including some very interesting lenses.

This one is Chevalier landscape  lens and it was made to my custom order 
in a barrel with native Leica mount,  though no rangefinder coupling. The 
focal length is 38 mm.

I am very  happy about the shots I've been getting from  it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/  and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two  examples.

Cheers!

Boris

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Re: Dancing at 8mm

2014-01-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
I like these. Active and entertaining.

Paul via phone

 On Jan 26, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 
 On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 04:47:48PM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote:
 
 I wonder if it was a conversation with D-a?
 
 :-)
 
 Last night was Paul's birthday party.  
 
 At DFX, I took a bunch of shots with the 8mm fisheye, and I showed them
 to her, saying that I hadn't seen anybody else using fisheye for
 swing/blues dances. And she found your photos circa March of 2013, so
 I stood corrected.
 
 Despite my reputation for profligate posting, Most of my dance photos 
 don't even end up on flickr at all.  And I actually post a very small
 percentage of my flickr photos, so there's a very good chance that I
 hadn't posted them.  There's also a very good chance that if I had posted
 them to PDML, you were rather busy with your new long term houseguest 
 and hadn't seen them.
 
 
 I think some shots are quite interesting there.
 
 Thanks.  I bought the lens on a lark, thinking of it as one step up
 from a lensbaby, and have found it far more useful as a real lens 
 than I ever expected.
 
 Shots from below (or above) have some better potential, specifically,
 ending in 35 56, maybe 127. 
 What I think is important is that in most cases you need to choose the
 main object (as it is done in 904,346,701,035, 007, etc.), and 
 concentrate on it.  In most cases, overview does not work that well.
 
 You need to get obnoxiously close to your subject.  But it is excellent
 for showing context, particularly in a small room.
 
 
 I hope to get to work on my photos with the 8mm fisheye and show them
 here soon.
 
 I'm looking forward to it.
 
 
 Igor
 
 
 On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Larry Colen lrc at red4est.com wrote:
 I was at a party at a friend's house tonight. She was telling me about a
 conversation she'd had, and it prompted me to put together this little
 gallery of dance photos.
 
 It's a shame that at f/3.5 my fisheye lens is so slow, because it can be
 rather fun in the way it catches so much of the action in a small room.
 
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157640171166164/
 
 --
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Re: PESO Snow storm

2014-01-26 Thread Paul Sorenson
Thanks Frank...

Sent from my iPad

 On Jan 26, 2014, at 5:09 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Lovely!
 
 Cheers,
 frank
 
 eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 I realize this is belated, but what the heck.  Better you than me, re
 snow.
 
 I really like that, a very painterly  shot.
 
 Marnie aka Doe :-)  Or charcoal or something. 
 
 In a  message dated 12/22/2013 9:50:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
 pentax1...@gmail.com writes:
 About 8 inches of snow here last night.   This is what my back yard
 looks 
 like this  morning.
 
 http://studio1941.com/images/B-W-Back-Yard-web.jpg
 
 -p  
 
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Re: PESO Snow storm

2014-01-26 Thread Paul Sorenson
Thanks Marnie. About four additional inches of snow last night with more 
expected tonight. Then into the deep freeze again. High temp tomorrow forecast 
to be -7F...low tomorrow night -21F. 

-p

Sent from my iPad

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 I realize this is belated, but what the heck.  Better you than me, re snow.
 
 I really like that, a very painterly  shot.
 
 Marnie aka Doe :-)  Or charcoal or something. 
 
 In a  message dated 12/22/2013 9:50:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
 pentax1...@gmail.com writes:
 About 8 inches of snow here last night.   This is what my back yard looks 
 like this  morning.
 
 http://studio1941.com/images/B-W-Back-Yard-web.jpg
 
 -p  
 
 
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Re: GESO: Me racing

2014-01-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele

I'm out of breath just looking at 'em :-)

ann

On 1/26/2014 18:02, David Mann wrote:

Not photos by me, but photos of me racing the half-iron distance event* at the 
Challenge Wanaka triathlon festival.  There aren't many nicer places to suffer.

8 pics in the set.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/52/#geso

Cheers,
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PESO: Melted Chocolate

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
I don't know what it says about me that out in  the middle of the Nevada 
desert, about 40 minutes south from Las Vegas, I looked  at the hills and 
saw... chocolate. Yum, yum. Heh.

Pretty nothing much at  all going on in this photo, but I sort of like  it.

http://mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/chocolate.html

Comments  welcome.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  I have a few others too, so not  positive this is the 
best one. But, hey, it's chocolate.  


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Re: PESO: Melted Chocolate

2014-01-26 Thread Bruce Walker
Anything involving chocolate: big win. Therefore your shot? Excellent! :-)


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 I don't know what it says about me that out in  the middle of the Nevada
 desert, about 40 minutes south from Las Vegas, I looked  at the hills and
 saw... chocolate. Yum, yum. Heh.

 Pretty nothing much at  all going on in this photo, but I sort of like  it.

 http://mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/chocolate.html

 Comments  welcome.

 Marnie aka Doe :-)  I have a few others too, so not  positive this is the
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Re: FS Friday: Vivitar Series One 70-210 f/2.8-4.0 (Version 3 - Komine)

2014-01-26 Thread Zos Xavius
Do you still have this? I really want a version 3 and this is a fair price.

On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 4:37 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you do a Google search on Mark Roberts Vivitar the first actual, (not
 advert.) result is this page...

 http://www.robertstech.com/vivitar.htm

 I'd buy Mark's copy but I've already got my own.  It's the last third party
 lens I'd part with as long as I'm shooting Pentax.


 On 1/25/2014 8:20 PM, Miserere wrote:

 I first heard of you, Mark, through your page on these lenses, where
 you listed the ins and outs of all the different versions. Does this
 page still exist?

 Nostalgia indeed, Larry.

 Cheers,


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 Clearing out space and putting away pennies for future purchases. This
 is the third and best version of the 70-210 Vivitar Series 1. It's in
 Pentax KA mount, so no Green Button metering necessary. Gets up to
 1:2.5 magnification in macro mode and is very sharp. Includes original
 Vivitar front lens cap and cheap Pentax rear lens cap.

 $60.00 plus actual shipping costs.

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Re: PESO: Melted Chocolate

2014-01-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice pic. And it does look like chocolate.

Paul via phone

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 I don't know what it says about me that out in  the middle of the Nevada 
 desert, about 40 minutes south from Las Vegas, I looked  at the hills and 
 saw... chocolate. Yum, yum. Heh.
 
 Pretty nothing much at  all going on in this photo, but I sort of like  it.
 
 http://mapphotography.com/PAWS/pages/chocolate.html
 
 Comments  welcome.
 
 Marnie aka Doe :-)  I have a few others too, so not  positive this is the 
 best one. But, hey, it's chocolate.  
 
 
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Re: Another London shot: The Coach and Horses

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Agreed (for my eyes). Plus the overlaps don't  match up exactly, which 
makes for sort of an edge with layers (right and left  sides of photo). I would 
have to grow accustomed to that to like that effect.  

Marnie aka Doe :-)   I feel myself turning into an old fuddy  duddy as I 
write. 

In a message dated 1/24/2014 8:45:07 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
knarftheria...@gmail.com writes:
The HDR-ness of it is a bit  much for these old eyes but its certainly well 
done. Beautifully composed, I'd  like to see it in a more traditional 
rendering.

And vegetarian! And a  pub! How cool is that? 

Cheers, 
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Re: PESO: Dear Aussies . . .

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Ahhh.

Marnie aka Doe :-)

In a  message dated 1/23/2014 1:53:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
ldott...@gmail.com  writes:
We have one of your  shepherds:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/12108419024/#large

His  name is Bear and he's the newest canine addition to the Gilbert 
household.  You may have him back for the princely sum of one plug nickel.

Yours  truly,

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Re: Another London shot: The Coach and Horses

2014-01-26 Thread Stanley Halpin

On Jan 26, 2014, at 7:46 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

 Agreed (for my eyes). Plus the overlaps don't  match up exactly, which 
 makes for sort of an edge with layers (right and left  sides of photo). I 
 would 
 have to grow accustomed to that to like that effect.  
 
 Marnie aka Doe :-)   I feel myself turning into an old fuddy  duddy as I 
 write. 

Don’t worry Marnie. I know from personal experience that it is possible to get 
past fuddy duddyness. I used to harbor an extreme unreasoned dislike for HDR 
but have come to enjoy shots like Mark’s. I leave it to others to judge whether 
this represents growth or mere capitulation to the inevitable.

stan

 
 In a message dated 1/24/2014 8:45:07 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
 knarftheria...@gmail.com writes:
 The HDR-ness of it is a bit  much for these old eyes but its certainly well 
 done. Beautifully composed, I'd  like to see it in a more traditional 
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Re: FS Friday: Vivitar Series One 70-210 f/2.8-4.0 (Version 3 - Komine)

2014-01-26 Thread Mark Roberts
Zos Xavius wrote:

Do you still have this? I really want a version 3 and this is a fair price.

Oh, sorry. It's gone now. I should have mentioned that.
 
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PESO: Plastic Farm

2014-01-26 Thread David Mann
A bucolic scene I passed while out for an easy bike ride today.  I stopped on 
the way back to take a photo :)

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/741/#peso

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Re: Environmental protection for 120 film.

2014-01-26 Thread David Mann
I used to use those containers, they're very good.  I still have them.

Cheers,
Dave

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 For anyone still shooting with their Pentax 67 or film 645 MM minis are back 
 for Valentines day.  The 1.08 oz tube is a pretty good fit for a roll of 120 
 film, just a bit long.  However compared to tubes for 120 film sold online 
 the price is right, and you get free candy.
 
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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

2014-01-26 Thread Boris Liberman
Bulent, I am very much no expert in photoshop. And since I fully 
switched to LightRoom when 1.0 came out, I did not follow as far as its 
improvements went. So I don't know. But it seems to me that to reproduce 
such an effect in post from regular sharp image will be a very 
non-trivial and laborious task.


Meanwhile I'm enjoying my soft lens :-).

On 1/26/2014 8:44 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

Lovely effect from a custom made lens.

Compared to a usual lens, it seems to save a lot of post processing
time to reach a similar result.

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2014-01-25 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:

Hi!

Have a look here:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

This shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a kind
lens that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography related
works including some very interesting lenses.

This one is Chevalier landscape lens and it was made to my custom order in a
barrel with native Leica mount, though no rangefinder coupling. The focal
length is 38 mm.

I am very happy about the shots I've been getting from it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/ and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two examples.

Cheers!

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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

2014-01-26 Thread Boris Liberman
Thanks, Frank. You're being very kind. The great thing here is that as 
far as rendering goes, 99% was done in run-time and not in post.


On 1/26/2014 9:04 PM, knarf wrote:

I thought I replied to this yesterday but it appears I was mistaken.

I like it. A lot.

Proves that sharpness isn't everything. Beautifully composed and rendered.

Cheers
frank

Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi!

Have a look here:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

This shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a
kind lens that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography
related works including some very interesting lenses.

This one is Chevalier landscape lens and it was made to my custom order

in a barrel with native Leica mount, though no rangefinder coupling.
The
focal length is 38 mm.

I am very happy about the shots I've been getting from it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/ and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two examples.

Cheers!

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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

2014-01-26 Thread Boris Liberman

Thanks, Marnie.


On 1/27/2014 1:21 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

That's really soft. Interesting, good  composition, but not really sure I
like it.

Marnie aka Doe :-) Take with  a grain of salt.

In a message dated 1/25/2014 10:13:44 A.M. Pacific  Standard Time,
bori...@gmail.com writes:
Hi!

Have a look  here:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

This  shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a
kind lens  that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography
related works  including some very interesting lenses.

This one is Chevalier landscape  lens and it was made to my custom order
in a barrel with native Leica mount,  though no rangefinder coupling. The
focal length is 38 mm.

I am very  happy about the shots I've been getting from  it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/  and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two  examples.

Cheers!

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OT: The revolution will be photographed (Ukraine)

2014-01-26 Thread Aahz Maruch
Very long photojournalism series that seemed somewhat relevant after the
current thread:

http://zyalt.livejournal.com/984735.html
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Re: What is a Photograph?

2014-01-26 Thread Eactivist
Interesting. Never heard of that, at  all.

Marnie   Still amused by exploding heads, subject  photographs of said 
event, and/or selfies of said event, which will be an actual  objective event. 
Or something like that. :-)

In a message dated 1/26/2014  3:18:57 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
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I  think that putting leaves or other items on a sensitized material and  
exposing to light, used to be called something like photogram.  There  
was a scientific play kit that came with plastic negatives a frame  
to hold the paper and of course a light sensitive paper that turned sort  
of purple when exposed to the sun.  I don't remember if there was some  
way to fix the image as I got the kit when I was approximately 10  
years old.

On 1/26/2014 4:34 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
 Yes  I found that part intriguing. Hadn't thought  about it, now I might  
try
 it. (i.e. scanner image/collage).

 Marnie aka   Doe :-)  It was an interesting article, Paul.

 In a message  dated  1/26/2014 1:27:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
  pnstenqu...@comcast.net  writes:
 And according to some of the art  museum curators interviewed for the  
Times
 article, it doesn't  necessarily involve a camera or lens. An example 
would
 be a photographic  image made by arranging objects on a scanner, then
 printing  the  resulting digital file. But no one is really trying to 
provide a
  firm  answer, just raising the question.

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Re: PESO. Maple leaf.

2014-01-26 Thread Bulent Celasun
Thanks, Marnie :))

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2014-01-26  eactiv...@aol.com:
 O, nice. Good placement in frame and nice  details and all that stuff.

 Marnie aka Doe :-)

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 bulent.cela...@gmail.com  writes:
 It was rainy outside.
 So, a macro :)

 K20D with Sigma 70mm  f/28.

 http://celasun.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/maple-leaf/

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PESO, for Frank

2014-01-26 Thread Larry Colen
It's not a nude, but if the model were a woman it would be NSFW, so
perhaps this will go a short ways towards making Frank feel a bit 
better:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/12167313015/in/set-72157640198285216/

This was shot in the park sort of across the street from my house. After 
here, we caught golden hour in another spot at the edge of a field at the
top of the ridge.  I learned a couple things from that, golden hour can
be excellent for portraits, but the dim light makes it a less than trival
task on a technical level, especially when dealing with Pentax autofocus.

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Re: Hint for exposure metering for videos with Pentax DSLR

2014-01-26 Thread Igor Roshchin


Fri Jan 24 15:04:15 EST 2014
Bruce Walker wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org wrote:
 
  Fri Jan 24 06:03:57 EST 2014
  Steve Cottrell wrote:
 
  On 23/1/14, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
  Were it I shooting video, I'd meter the scene and set the camera on
  manual at that setting. There's nothing more annoying than having
  the
  exposure changing throughout some footage. That goes for WB too.
 
  That's the way we do it. However, panning or tilting through from
  (say)
  dark to bright areas of subject sometimes means one has to pull some
  stop. Not a problem. Pulling stop, zooming *and* focus all manually
  and
  at the same time can take a couple of goes. Not a problem though.
 
 
  Sure, - but that's for when you are doing a planned shooting, and
  when
  you have a VIDEO camera, i.e. a camera that is designed (as opposed to
  _adapted_) for shooting videos. I don't know about K-3, but K-7 and
  K-5
  are not in that league.
 
 Don't dismiss your DSLR as a high quality video tool so quickly.
 Entire broadcast quality television programs have been shot using
 DSLRs (eg House with Canon 5DmkII's).
 
 I see a lot of indie movies at festivals and when you check the
 credits, 9 out of 10 of them are shot on DSLRs these days. A few on
 film, some REDs, but largely DSLRs. Put one on a rig, add a big focus
 knob/gear doohickey and you can be shooting prfessional video.
 

I know. I've seen as an educational/documentary movie was being shot 
using a Canon DSLR.

What I was talking about is that K-5 is missing certain capabilities,
e.g. possibility to change the aperture once recording is happening.

And as for myself, - most of the time I don't have the opportunity 
(and the desire) to deal with a rig, etc.

Cheers,

Igor


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