In other news Ken Rockwell is still an idiot.

[P.J. Alling]

Don't even ask.


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Re: In other news Ken Rockwell is still an idiot.

[Larry Colen]

P.J. Alling wrote:

Don't even ask.


You are an evil man. I was curious "what now?", so I went to his 
website. I must not have ever actually seen any of Ken Rockwell's 
photos, now I have, and I can't unsee them. I blame you.







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RE: PESO: All Together Now

[Malcolm Smith]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Those nags are for the birds!

++

You often can't see the back of this field early morning, because of the
numbers of birds at this time of year. Great if you want bird shots

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RE: PESO: Iconic

[Malcolm Smith]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I misread the theme for the November PUG.  I thought it was "iconic," and
intended to submit this image.  When I went to submit, however, I noticed
that the theme actually was "iconic places," so I had to select another
image for the PUG.

So, I decided to make this an "iconic" PESO:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18304778


Certainly iconic - interesting capture.

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RE: PESO -- Once Adrift

[Malcolm Smith]

P.J. Alling wrote:

It was a beautiful day before the rains came.  Just before the skies opened
I was able to capture this.

https://pdml.updog.co/webster26/PESO%20--%20onceadrift.html
+++

The reflection gives wonderful symmetry to the image.

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RE: Taos Pueblo

[Malcolm Smith]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

The Taos Pueblos is one of the oldest continuously inhabited communities in
the United States, and Thas been designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305147&size=md
++

A touch of the new with long established construction methods.

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Re: In other news Ken Rockwell is still an idiot.

[Brian Walters]

...and his website gets one more view.

Shame on PJ for mentioning he who shall not be named.  :-)>


Cheers

Brian

++
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On Mon, Oct 31, 2016, at 06:12 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
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> 
> P.J. Alling wrote:
> > Don't even ask.
> 
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> photos, now I have, and I can't unsee them. I blame you.
> 
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RE: PESO: Just like home

[Malcolm Smith]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I was 1,950 miles from home, visiting the ancient Taos Pueblo, one of the
oldest continuously inhabited communities in the US.  To my great surprise,
among the hand full of dogs hanging out there, I spotted an Alaskan
Malamute.  Of course, he struck a typical Malamute pose, one I get to see
every day at home:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305146&size=lg
+

That is good!

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RE: PESO - Modern Essentials

[Malcolm Smith]

Marco Alpert wrote:

http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso29.html


You really have an eye for street photography, and monochrome works so well
with this.

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RE: All Together Now

[Malcolm Smith]

Ken Waller wrote:

Nice capture, brings a smile to my face - thanks.

The horses look very stout - any idea what they are?
===

Thanks Ken; I believe they are all Cob cross. 

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RE: 2 X PESO: The two more serious horse photos.

[Malcolm Smith]

Marco Alpert wrote:

You sure have some picturesque critters around there. Nicely done.
+

Thanks. It's the rabbits which are eluding me at present. There is a
wonderful spot to catch them early in the morning 30 mins from my house, but
the two days I had to get the pictures have both started really foggy.

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Re: PESO: All Together Now

[Larry Colen]

Malcolm Smith wrote:

Almost a Disney scene:  http://flic.kr/p/NC4iJy


Very nice. Wonderful lighting, composition, processing, if only you 
could have gotten them to do this in a more scenic field.  :-)






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RE: PESO: All Together Now

[Malcolm Smith]

Larry Colen wrote:

Very nice. Wonderful lighting, composition, processing, if only you could
have gotten them to do this in a more scenic field.  :-)

Thanks Larry. You would be surprised at what was already left out, this
really is an urban area the field is in.

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Re: Fast Normal Zoom. (for APS-C)

[Igor PDML-StR]

"Ask Google" ;-) (Even if it sometimes might give a wrong result, when 
the crowd IS wrong, - it can give you some clues.)

Varafocal: About 449 results
Varifocal: About 5,210,000 results

Igor

PS. You would probably start yelling "boring", if I were to start telling 
you that the first word root "vari" comes from "variable"... and not 
"varaible" ;-)



 P.J. Alling Sat, 29 Oct 2016 14:52:39 -0700 wrote:

Either one stumped the spell checker, so I was at a loss. The actual name 
of the lens is "VMC Vivitar Series 1 35-85mm 1:2.8 Auto Variable Focusing" 
so I suppose I should have known how to spell it, but I'm lazy.



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Hi P.J.

Let me just link my previous response to a very similar question earlier this 
year:

https://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/msg731281.html

You may want to read my yet earlier response linked within that message.

I hope this helps.

Igor

P.S. It is "varifocal", not "Varafocal". ;-)
In the era of film cameras, I was happy to get Tokina ATX-Pro 28-70/2.6-2.8, 
as besides being fast it was parfocal. With zoom, that allows zooming in to 
focus more precisely. Also, changing zoom after you've focused is easier: you 
don't need to think about refocusing.





P.J. Alling Sat, 29 Oct 2016 10:08:41 -0700 wrote:

So I've been getting along using a combination of a Manual focus Varafocal, 
(Vivitar 35-85mm f2.8), and a FA 20-35mm which satisfies most of my needs, 
but they can be damnably inconvenient, the varafocal makes me think that 
sometimes I need extra fingers and more inertial processing for my brain to 
keep track of stop down metering, re-framing and refocusing, which leads to a 
lot more missed shots than I'm happy with. Swapping to the 20-35 and back, is 
sometimes necessary at very inconvenient times which also leads to missed 
shots.



It doesn't look like a Full Frame camera is in my budget for quite some time, 
and let's face it, I've come to terms with APS-C. The K-5II is more than 
sufficient for most of what I do, in fact is better than most needs. A more 
identical backup body is what I'm more likely to get than an actual full 
frame camera, maybe a K-7 another K-5[II(s)], or K3 thought the latter would 
have some of the same problems as using the K20D as backup, though the K5II 
hasn't failed me yet.



So I'm looking at APS-C lenses.

I've kind of narrowed it down to five lenses, at this point, based on 
reviews.



Pentax FA* 16-55 f2.8 available new.

Sigma 17-50 f2.8, comes in couple versions, latest version still available 
new.



Tamron 17-50 f2.8 also comes in a couple of versions latest version still 
available new.



Pentax FA 17-70, seems to be discontinued, but still available new.

Sigma 17-70, three versions, latest one still available new.


All of them have pluses and minuses, the Pentax FA* is the most expensive, 
the first version of the Tamron is least expensive, of course it's only 
really available used. I like the idea of the 17-70 as it would cut down on 
the necessity of changing lenses when things are moving fast.



I know there are people on the list who've used later Sigma 17-70, and the 
two Pentax lenses, but what about the Sigma 17-50 and Tamron 17-50 has 
anybody got any experience with them? Optically good? Mechanically crap? Vice 
Versa?



It comes down to the fact that I don't trust most reviewers. I'll pick up 
something that's gotten bad reviews play with it a while and think, this 
isn't nearly as bad as I expected, hell this even seems to be pretty good, 
and things that have gotten good reviews and think, what the f*#k was that 
guy talking about this is pretty horrible. You guys have real world 
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Re: Modern Essentials - MMA

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Fascinating play of lines, shapes, figures, and real people! Excellent! 

G

> On Oct 30, 2016, at 10:29 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com [baphotoshooters] 
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> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso29.html
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Re: PESO - Modern Essentials

[ann sanfedele]

Terrific shotof a neigborhood I avoid like the plague. Oh  Brave new world

ann


On 10/31/2016 1:29 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:

http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso29.html

Comments, as always, welcomed.

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Re: PESO: Just like home

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Thanks, Malcolm!


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On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:27 AM, Malcolm Smith 
wrote:

> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
> I was 1,950 miles from home, visiting the ancient Taos Pueblo, one of the
> oldest continuously inhabited communities in the US.  To my great surprise,
> among the hand full of dogs hanging out there, I spotted an Alaskan
> Malamute.  Of course, he struck a typical Malamute pose, one I get to see
> every day at home:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305146&size=lg
> +
>
> That is good!
>
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Re: PSO: Taos Pueblo

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Stan.

There were distractions in the foreground, so I cropped the bottom closely.

The newness of the ladder in this image is one of the reasons I took this
shot.  It stresses the fact that, unlike Mesa Verde and Puye, Taos Pueblo
is still occupied.  We were able to enter some of the units that are used
as craft stores, but not the ones that are still residential.

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On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Stanley Halpin  wrote:

> I think I would rather have more foreground. The stairway (a modern
> addition) is quite in-your-face in this composition, the adobe and colors
> get lost.
> And I would crop the empty space on the right.
>
> stan
>
> > On Oct 30, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> >
> > The Taos Pueblos is one of the oldest continuously inhabited communities
> in
> > the United States, and Thas been designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
> >
> > http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305147&size=md
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PESO: Taos Pueblo Overview

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Ann suggested I post this image to give a better idea of what the Pueblo
looks like:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305145&size=lg
Comments invited.

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Re: PESO - Modern Essentials

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Which neighborhood is that, Ann?

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On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 10:16 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> Terrific shotof a neigborhood I avoid like the plague. Oh  Brave new world
>
> ann
>
>
> On 10/31/2016 1:29 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:
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>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso29.html
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>>
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Re: PESO: Iconic

[John]

Qualifies as both ... an Icon from an Iconic place.

On 10/30/2016 2:37 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I misread the theme for the November PUG.  I thought it was "iconic," and
intended to submit this image.  When I went to submit, however, I noticed
that the theme actually was "iconic places," so I had to select another
image for the PUG.

So, I decided to make this an "iconic" PESO:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18304778
Comments are invited.

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Re: In other news Ken Rockwell is still an idiot.

[John]

Ok.

On 10/31/2016 2:59 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

Don't even ask.




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Re: PSO: Taos Pueblo

[ann sanfedele]

I'd sort of like to see the uncropped version tooactually. And I liked 
the shot for it's geometry and the point you were making with thenew 
more modern ladder..


The summer of 1956, when I lived in Taos for two months, I wouldn't go 
to the Taos Pueblo because I didn't like the idea of people gaping at 
the Pueblo Indians that lived there, as looking at their community, 
which was definitely impoverished in 1956... as"quaint"... eventually 
there were shops and such added and I came over to the realization that 
it was necessary to preserve the historic site and allow people to keep 
living there and that vistors were welcome tokeep the Pueblo alive. 
Richard and I visited in 1985and I went once more after that... probably 
back to the town of Taos, not the pueblo , about 10 timesover the years. 
New Mexico has been important to me personally on many levels ..


I ramble... and babble as it is unlikely I could ever return there

ann


On 10/31/2016 10:19 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Thanks, Stan.

There were distractions in the foreground, so I cropped the bottom closely.

The newness of the ladder in this image is one of the reasons I took this
shot.  It stresses the fact that, unlike Mesa Verde and Puye, Taos Pueblo
is still occupied.  We were able to enter some of the units that are used
as craft stores, but not the ones that are still residential.

Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Stanley Halpin 
wrote:
I think I would rather have more foreground. The stairway (a modern
addition) is quite in-your-face in this composition, the adobe and colors
get lost.
And I would crop the empty space on the right.

stan


On Oct 30, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 

wrote:

The Taos Pueblos is one of the oldest continuously inhabited communities

in

the United States, and Thas been designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305147&size=md
Comments are invited.

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Re: PESO - Modern Essentials

[Jack Davis]

Hear, Hear!!

J

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> On Oct 31, 2016, at 7:16 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Terrific shotof a neigborhood I avoid like the plague. Oh  Brave new world
> 
> ann
> 
> 
>> On 10/31/2016 1:29 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso29.html
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Re: In other news Ken Rockwell is still an idiot.

[P.J. Alling]

Let's just say I was continuing my lens research, got a link that google 
told me was connected, and clicked on it without looking at the 
destination.  I ended up at his review of the K-3II.  I'll summarize, 
makes great images, hate the ergonomics, Canon and Nikon make better.


Even though it was overall positive, he really liked the image quality, 
(probably of the Jpegs as I highly doubt he actually processed any raw 
files), and I agreed with some of his criticism, (though his take is 
because he doesn't like something it's objectively bad, rather than a 
subjective matter of taste, something he has no capability of separating 
even if he thinks about it, indicates his weak mind.  His basic 
/deserved/ insecurity, about his lack of skills comes through in his 
writing style.  The actual tone of most of his writing could basically 
be described as the digitalrev guys in print, something that doesn't 
translate well, without the actual talent and sense of humor.  A man's 
got to know his limitations and stick within them.


Now I've actually given his review /more/ time than it deserves. Reading 
it was 10 minutes of my life, I will never get back. Venting actually 
felt cathartic.


On 10/31/2016 3:12 AM, Larry Colen wrote:



P.J. Alling wrote:

Don't even ask.


You are an evil man. I was curious "what now?", so I went to his 
website. I must not have ever actually seen any of Ken Rockwell's 
photos, now I have, and I can't unsee them. I blame you.










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Re: PESO: Taos Pueblo Overview

[Ken Waller]

Much more representive of the Pueblo In general - IMO.


-Original Message-
>From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>Subject: PESO: Taos Pueblo Overview
>
>Ann suggested I post this image to give a better idea of what the Pueblo
>looks like:
>
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305145&size=lg
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RE: PESO: Taos Pueblo Overview

[Malcolm Smith]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Ann suggested I post this image to give a better idea of what the Pueblo
looks like:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305145&size=lg

+

Thanks for posting this Dan.

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Re: PESO - Modern Essentials

[Ken Waller]

Well captured. Has much going on !


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>From: Marco Alpert Subject: PESO - Modern Essentials
>
>http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso29.html
>
>Comments, as always, welcomed.
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Re: PSO: Taos Pueblo

[Ken Waller]

I spent 10 days there in total covering 2 separate visits while in trial in the 
early 2000's and found it to be a really unique enjoyable little city. Great 
food, unique shops, real western aura and wonderful art shops. 


-Original Message-
>From: ann sanfedele 
>Subject: Re: PSO: Taos Pueblo
>
>I'd sort of like to see the uncropped version tooactually. And I liked 
>the shot for it's geometry and the point you were making with thenew 
>more modern ladder..
>
>The summer of 1956, when I lived in Taos for two months, I wouldn't go 
>to the Taos Pueblo because I didn't like the idea of people gaping at 
>the Pueblo Indians that lived there, as looking at their community, 
>which was definitely impoverished in 1956... as"quaint"... eventually 
>there were shops and such added and I came over to the realization that 
>it was necessary to preserve the historic site and allow people to keep 
>living there and that vistors were welcome tokeep the Pueblo alive. 
>Richard and I visited in 1985and I went once more after that... probably 
>back to the town of Taos, not the pueblo , about 10 timesover the years. 
>New Mexico has been important to me personally on many levels ..
>
>I ramble... and babble as it is unlikely I could ever return there
>
>ann
>
>
>On 10/31/2016 10:19 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> Thanks, Stan.
>>
>> There were distractions in the foreground, so I cropped the bottom closely.
>>
>> The newness of the ladder in this image is one of the reasons I took this
>> shot.  It stresses the fact that, unlike Mesa Verde and Puye, Taos Pueblo
>> is still occupied.  We were able to enter some of the units that are used
>> as craft stores, but not the ones that are still residential.
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Stanley Halpin >> wrote:
>>> I think I would rather have more foreground. The stairway (a modern
>>> addition) is quite in-your-face in this composition, the adobe and colors
>>> get lost.
>>> And I would crop the empty space on the right.
>>>
>>> stan
>>>
 On Oct 30, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
>>> wrote:
 The Taos Pueblos is one of the oldest continuously inhabited communities
>>> in
 the United States, and Thas been designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305147&size=md
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Re: In other news Ken Rockwell is still an idiot.

[Ken Waller]

. But I didn't ask .  (VBG)


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>From: "P.J. Alling" 
>Subject: Re: In other news Ken Rockwell is still an idiot.
>
>Let's just say I was continuing my lens research, got a link that google 
>told me was connected, and clicked on it without looking at the 
>destination.  I ended up at his review of the K-3II.  I'll summarize, 
>makes great images, hate the ergonomics, Canon and Nikon make better.
>
>Even though it was overall positive, he really liked the image quality, 
>(probably of the Jpegs as I highly doubt he actually processed any raw 
>files), and I agreed with some of his criticism, (though his take is 
>because he doesn't like something it's objectively bad, rather than a 
>subjective matter of taste, something he has no capability of separating 
>even if he thinks about it, indicates his weak mind.  His basic 
>/deserved/ insecurity, about his lack of skills comes through in his 
>writing style.  The actual tone of most of his writing could basically 
>be described as the digitalrev guys in print, something that doesn't 
>translate well, without the actual talent and sense of humor.  A man's 
>got to know his limitations and stick within them.
>
>Now I've actually given his review /more/ time than it deserves. Reading 
>it was 10 minutes of my life, I will never get back. Venting actually 
>felt cathartic.
>
>On 10/31/2016 3:12 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>
>> P.J. Alling wrote:
>>> Don't even ask.
>>
>> You are an evil man. I was curious "what now?", so I went to his 
>> website. I must not have ever actually seen any of Ken Rockwell's 
>> photos, now I have, and I can't unsee them. I blame you.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Re: PSO: Taos Pueblo

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I was told that, of the 19 surviving pueblo communities in New Mexico, 11
survive by owning casinos.  One instead owns the Santa Fe Hotel and Spa,
where we stayed.  Taos and Santa Clara (Puye Pueblo) choose tourism, to a
limited extent, and the sale of native crafts.


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On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 10:49 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> I'd sort of like to see the uncropped version tooactually. And I liked the
> shot for it's geometry and the point you were making with thenew more
> modern ladder..
>
> The summer of 1956, when I lived in Taos for two months, I wouldn't go to
> the Taos Pueblo because I didn't like the idea of people gaping at the
> Pueblo Indians that lived there, as looking at their community, which was
> definitely impoverished in 1956... as"quaint"... eventually there were
> shops and such added and I came over to the realization that it was
> necessary to preserve the historic site and allow people to keep living
> there and that vistors were welcome tokeep the Pueblo alive. Richard and I
> visited in 1985and I went once more after that... probably back to the town
> of Taos, not the pueblo , about 10 timesover the years. New Mexico has been
> important to me personally on many levels ..
>
> I ramble... and babble as it is unlikely I could ever return there
>
> ann
>
>
>
> On 10/31/2016 10:19 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Stan.
>>
>> There were distractions in the foreground, so I cropped the bottom
>> closely.
>>
>> The newness of the ladder in this image is one of the reasons I took this
>> shot.  It stresses the fact that, unlike Mesa Verde and Puye, Taos Pueblo
>> is still occupied.  We were able to enter some of the units that are used
>> as craft stores, but not the ones that are still residential.
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Stanley Halpin <
>> s...@stans-photography.info
>>
>>> wrote:
>>> I think I would rather have more foreground. The stairway (a modern
>>> addition) is quite in-your-face in this composition, the adobe and colors
>>> get lost.
>>> And I would crop the empty space on the right.
>>>
>>> stan
>>>
>>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 

>>> wrote:
>>>
 The Taos Pueblos is one of the oldest continuously inhabited communities

>>> in
>>>
 the United States, and Thas been designated a UNESCO World Heritage
 Site.

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Re: PSO: Taos Pueblo

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:

> Great food, unique shops, real western aura and wonderful art shops.


I was only there for a few days, but I certainly found that to be the case.

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Re: PESO: Taos Pueblo Overview

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:

> Much more representive of the Pueblo In general - IMO.


That is certainly the case.  The first Taos PESO was focused more on the
(to me) remarkable fact that the Taos Pueblo was not an ancient ruin, but
the site of a continuing native settlement, although most members of the
Pueblo now live in a more modern village nearby.

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Re: PESO: All Together Now

[P.J. Alling]

I didn't say it wasn't a beautiful shot, just that I have a bizarre take 
on it.


On 10/30/2016 1:40 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

Makes me think of Animal Farm rather than Disney. It's a beautiful shot.

B


On 30 Oct 2016, at 16:27, P.J. Alling  wrote:

Na, if this was Disney, there'd be at least a cat, riding on one of the horses, 
a dog, a fox, at one or more dear, and a bunch of smaller birds flying around.

I you want to see this the right way, think of it as a herd of gigantic mice, 
and a bunch of miniaturized feathered dinosaurs sharing a walk in a field.  
That's what I did.


On 10/30/2016 12:09 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
"Almost a Disney scene:"  almost kept me from looking :-)

Who is herding who here?  I love those horses, but prefer the other shot you 
showed us... this one actually is a bit too Disney

ann



On 10/30/2016 3:50 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote:
Almost a Disney scene:  http://flic.kr/p/NC4iJy


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Re: In other news Ken Rockwell is still an idiot.

[P.J. Alling]

But I thought Larry deserved an explanation since he actually looked at 
some of his photographic output.  I'll apologize for that here.  Sorry, 
Larry.


On 10/31/2016 11:23 AM, Ken Waller wrote:

. But I didn't ask .  (VBG)


-Original Message-

From: "P.J. Alling" 
Subject: Re: In other news Ken Rockwell is still an idiot.

Let's just say I was continuing my lens research, got a link that google
told me was connected, and clicked on it without looking at the
destination.  I ended up at his review of the K-3II.  I'll summarize,
makes great images, hate the ergonomics, Canon and Nikon make better.

Even though it was overall positive, he really liked the image quality,
(probably of the Jpegs as I highly doubt he actually processed any raw
files), and I agreed with some of his criticism, (though his take is
because he doesn't like something it's objectively bad, rather than a
subjective matter of taste, something he has no capability of separating
even if he thinks about it, indicates his weak mind.  His basic
/deserved/ insecurity, about his lack of skills comes through in his
writing style.  The actual tone of most of his writing could basically
be described as the digitalrev guys in print, something that doesn't
translate well, without the actual talent and sense of humor.  A man's
got to know his limitations and stick within them.

Now I've actually given his review /more/ time than it deserves. Reading
it was 10 minutes of my life, I will never get back. Venting actually
felt cathartic.

On 10/31/2016 3:12 AM, Larry Colen wrote:


P.J. Alling wrote:

Don't even ask.

You are an evil man. I was curious "what now?", so I went to his
website. I must not have ever actually seen any of Ken Rockwell's
photos, now I have, and I can't unsee them. I blame you.





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Re: PSO: Taos Pueblo

[Jack Davis]

Have a friend who recently moved to Taos and, I'm sure, for all those reason's 
you mentioned.
This will be his first winter there and
I'll be anxious to learn next spring
how he liked it.

J


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> On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:20 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> I spent 10 days there in total covering 2 separate visits while in trial in 
> the early 2000's and found it to be a really unique enjoyable little city. 
> Great food, unique shops, real western aura and wonderful art shops. 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: ann sanfedele 
>> Subject: Re: PSO: Taos Pueblo
>> 
>> I'd sort of like to see the uncropped version tooactually. And I liked 
>> the shot for it's geometry and the point you were making with thenew 
>> more modern ladder..
>> 
>> The summer of 1956, when I lived in Taos for two months, I wouldn't go 
>> to the Taos Pueblo because I didn't like the idea of people gaping at 
>> the Pueblo Indians that lived there, as looking at their community, 
>> which was definitely impoverished in 1956... as"quaint"... eventually 
>> there were shops and such added and I came over to the realization that 
>> it was necessary to preserve the historic site and allow people to keep 
>> living there and that vistors were welcome tokeep the Pueblo alive. 
>> Richard and I visited in 1985and I went once more after that... probably 
>> back to the town of Taos, not the pueblo , about 10 timesover the years. 
>> New Mexico has been important to me personally on many levels ..
>> 
>> I ramble... and babble as it is unlikely I could ever return there
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/31/2016 10:19 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>> Thanks, Stan.
>>> 
>>> There were distractions in the foreground, so I cropped the bottom closely.
>>> 
>>> The newness of the ladder in this image is one of the reasons I took this
>>> shot.  It stresses the fact that, unlike Mesa Verde and Puye, Taos Pueblo
>>> is still occupied.  We were able to enter some of the units that are used
>>> as craft stores, but not the ones that are still residential.
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Stanley Halpin >>> wrote:
 I think I would rather have more foreground. The stairway (a modern
 addition) is quite in-your-face in this composition, the adobe and colors
 get lost.
 And I would crop the empty space on the right.
 
 stan
 
> On Oct 30, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
 wrote:
> The Taos Pueblos is one of the oldest continuously inhabited communities
 in
> the United States, and Thas been designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305147&size=md
> Comments are invited.
> 
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OT this guy has more cameras than you

[Bruce Walker]

<<< 62-year-old Dilish Parekh lives among some 4,600 cameras—the
largest camera collection in the world, which has made Parekh the
Guinness record holder since 2003. “I probably need 10,000 square feet
to lay them out, but that is impossible in this city,” he says of
Mumbai >>>

https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-the-mumbai-jeweler-who-amassed-the-world-s-largest-camera-collection

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PESO: A River Runs Through It

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Well, not a river exactly.

This is the stream that divides the summer side of the Taos Pueblo from the
winter side.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305413&size=lg
Comments are encouraged.

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Re: OT this guy has more cameras than you

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I love the cameras that were chosen for the illustrations!


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On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Bruce Walker 
wrote:

> <<< 62-year-old Dilish Parekh lives among some 4,600 cameras—the
> largest camera collection in the world, which has made Parekh the
> Guinness record holder since 2003. “I probably need 10,000 square feet
> to lay them out, but that is impossible in this city,” he says of
> Mumbai >>>
>
> https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-the-mumbai-
> jeweler-who-amassed-the-world-s-largest-camera-collection
>
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RE: PESO: A River Runs Through It

[Malcolm Smith]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305413&size=lg
++

Again those yellow colours are outstanding, plus the shimmering stream.

Malcolm


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RE: OT this guy has more cameras than you

[Malcolm Smith]

Bruce Walker wrote:

<<< 62-year-old Dilish Parekh lives among some 4,600 cameras—the largest camera 
collection in the world, which has made Parekh the Guinness record holder since 
2003. “I probably need 10,000 square feet to lay them out, but that is 
impossible in this city,” he says of Mumbai >>>

https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-the-mumbai-jeweler-who-amassed-the-world-s-largest-camera-collection
++

Good.  I can point at people like him if another camera is added here.

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Re: OT this guy has more cameras than you

[P.J. Alling]

Someone to serve as a horrible example.

On 10/31/2016 12:57 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

<<< 62-year-old Dilish Parekh lives among some 4,600 cameras—the
largest camera collection in the world, which has made Parekh the
Guinness record holder since 2003. “I probably need 10,000 square feet
to lay them out, but that is impossible in this city,” he says of
Mumbai >>>

https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-the-mumbai-jeweler-who-amassed-the-world-s-largest-camera-collection




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Re: PESO: A River Runs Through It

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Malcolm.  I found this spot very peaceful and refreshing,
particularly with the fall colors.


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On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Malcolm Smith 
wrote:

> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305413&size=lg
> ++
>
> Again those yellow colours are outstanding, plus the shimmering stream.
>
> Malcolm
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Re: OT this guy has more cameras than you

[Jack Davis]

I can assure you he's not married.

J

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Subject: OT this guy has more cameras than you

<<< 62-year-old Dilish Parekh lives among some 4,600 cameras—the
largest camera collection in the world, which has made Parekh the
Guinness record holder since 2003. “I probably need 10,000 square feet
to lay them out, but that is impossible in this city,” he says of
Mumbai >>>

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Re: Fast Normal Zoom. (for APS-C)

[P.J. Alling]

OK, at this point I'm leaning towards the Tamron 17-50 f2.8.  The one 
report I've had from the list about it is that it's optically very 
good.  The outside reviews complain about it's plasticy build, and noisy 
AF motor, but hell large numbers of even fairly expensive lenses are 
mostly plastic these days and all my current AF lenses are screw drive, 
I wouldn't know what to do if a lens didn't make /some/ noise.  The 
kicker is that Amazon is selling the damned things for a tiny bit less 
than $250.00 grey market.


Optically it appears to be on par with the Pentax DA 16-50, and Sigma 
17-50 for approximately 1/3 and 3/5 the price of the former and latter 
respectively.  True it's got the same warranty you'd get if you bought a 
used lens but even then it's less than 1/2 the price of a LN used 
Pentax, and about the same as the LN used Sigma.


The only fly in the ointment is that the USA version of the Tamaron has 
a 6 year guarantee, does it need it.  I know that was the selling point 
of early imported Hyundai automobiles, they had the longest warranty in 
the US market because you /needed/ it.


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Re: PESO: A River Runs Through It

[Alan C]

Nah, it divides spring from autumn! A pleasant stretch of wsater.

Alan C

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From: Daniel J. Matyola

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Subject: PESO: A River Runs Through It

Well, not a river exactly.

This is the stream that divides the summer side of the Taos Pueblo from the
winter side.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305413&size=lg
Comments are encouraged.

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Re: PESO: A River Runs Through It

[Adam Montoya]

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

> Well, not a river exactly.
>
> This is the stream that divides the summer side of the Taos Pueblo from the
> winter side.
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305413&size=lg
> Comments are encouraged.
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


Oh thats a River.  Ever seen the Santa Fe river?  This stream you took a
photo of is larger than that river most of the time.

-Adam


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November PUG - Last Call

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G'day all

I'll be closing submissions on Wednesday evening (Nov 2) - Sydney time. 

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Re: Modern Essentials - MMA

[Marco Alpert]

Thanks so much, Godfrey!

m

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Fascinating play of lines, shapes, figures, and real people! Excellent! 
> 
> G
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 10:29 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com 
>> [baphotoshooters]  wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso29.html
>> 
>> Comments, as always, welcomed.
>> 
>> -Marco 
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Re: PESO - Modern Essentials

[Marco Alpert]

Thanks to Malcolm, Ann, Dan, Jack, and Ken for the kind comments. And to anyone 
else who looked.

Always appreciated.

- Marco

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> Well captured. Has much going on !
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Marco Alpert > Subject: PESO - Modern Essentials
>> 
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso29.html
>> 
>> Comments, as always, welcomed.
>> 
>> -Marco 
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Re: PESO: A River Runs Through It

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Adam Montoya  wrote:

> Oh thats a River.  Ever seen the Santa Fe river?  This stream you took a
> photo of is larger than that river most of the time.
>

Yes, I know what you mean, but we spent more time at the Rio Grande, which
is quite a bit larger than either.
Water is precious in that part of the world.


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PESO: Beige and Blue

[Daniel J. Matyola]

The dominant hues of Santa Fe are Beige and Blue:  Adobe structures and
clear blue skies.  I thought it could make an interesting abstract:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305514&size=lg
Comments are invited.

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Re: PESO: Beige and Blue

[ann sanfedele]

Works for me...

ann


On 10/31/2016 9:07 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

The dominant hues of Santa Fe are Beige and Blue:  Adobe structures and
clear blue skies.  I thought it could make an interesting abstract:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305514&size=lg
Comments are invited.

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Re: PESO: Beige and Blue

[Marco Alpert]

Me too...

- Marco

> On Oct 31, 2016, at 6:29 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Works for me...
> 
> ann
> 
> 
>> On 10/31/2016 9:07 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> The dominant hues of Santa Fe are Beige and Blue:  Adobe structures and
>> clear blue skies.  I thought it could make an interesting abstract:
>> 
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305514&size=lg
>> Comments are invited.
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: PESO: Beige and Blue

[Mark Roberts]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

>The dominant hues of Santa Fe are Beige and Blue:  Adobe structures and
>clear blue skies.  I thought it could make an interesting abstract:
>
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305514&size=lg

I like! have you tried it in black & white?
 
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Re: PESO: Beige and Blue

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Ann and Marco.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 9:29 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> Works for me...
>
> ann
>
>
>
> On 10/31/2016 9:07 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> The dominant hues of Santa Fe are Beige and Blue:  Adobe structures and
>> clear blue skies.  I thought it could make an interesting abstract:
>>
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18305514&size=lg
>> Comments are invited.
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
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Re: PESO: Beige and Blue

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Mark Roberts 
wrote:

> I like! have you tried it in black & white?


LOL!  No, since the whole point is the colors, but I'll take a stab at it
any way!

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