Re: Pentax KP

[Toine]

Yes I do. I like every bit of it.
The user interface is a bit complicated. The basics are the same old Pentax
style. Battery life is ok, I got a few Ansmann replacements from amazon for
15 euro and they are the same as the original. Problem solved.

On Mon, 28 Sep 2020, 04:44 Larry Colen,  wrote:

>
>
> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Bill  wrote:
> >
> > Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over the
> > horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I expect it
> > will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around $2.5k.
>
> That would certainly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

[Alan C]

BBB

Alan C

On 27-Sep-20 08:53 PM, mike wilson wrote:

On 27 September 2020 at 18:54 Toine  wrote:


Yes I agree thats the main effect. However this guy even includes lead in
glass as a pop factor. The rendering of bokeh also adds to the effect.
Zooms have a busy bokeh.

https://photographylife.com/the-death-of-beautiful-rendition-and-3d-pop-on-modern-lenses

I can hardly see the difference in his before after shot with the slider


I started to read that article and my first thought was that it was one of 
those pieces that starts from such a warped logistical premise that it is 
impossible to argue with.  I got about 1/3rd of the way through.  But I read 
the last paragraph, as suggested at the beginning.  Did you?




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Re: Pentax KP

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> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Bill  wrote:
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> Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over the
> horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I expect it
> will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around $2.5k.

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Re: Pentax KP

[Bill]

On Sun., Sep. 27, 2020, 5:56 p.m. Christine Aguila, 
wrote:

> Hi all!
> Anyone shooting with the Pentax KP?
> If so, thoughts?
> Cheers, Christine
>

Pentax Forums has a section devoted to that body. It seems to be well
enough liked.
Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over the
horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I expect it
will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around $2.5k.

bill

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Re: GESO: Shaheen falcon

[Subash Jeyan]

thank you Stan. i prefer the bird too... :)

On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:18:48 -0400
Stanley Halpin  wrote:

> Very nice shot! Handsome bird.
> Between the two recent shots, I prefer the bird to the bug, but that
> is because I generally prefer birds to bugs. Both the bird “portrait”
> and the bug are nicely framed, good look at the eyes, etc. The action
> shots of the falcon digging in to its meal are nicely graphic!
> 
> stan
> 
> > On Sep 24, 2020, at 7:58 AM, Subash Jeyan 
> > wrote:
> > https://something-feathered.in/2020/09/24/shaheen-falcon/


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Pentax KP

[Christine Aguila]

Hi all!
Anyone shooting with the Pentax KP?
If so, thoughts?
Cheers, Christine

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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

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> On 27 September 2020 at 18:54 Toine  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes I agree thats the main effect. However this guy even includes lead in
> glass as a pop factor. The rendering of bokeh also adds to the effect.
> Zooms have a busy bokeh.
> 
> https://photographylife.com/the-death-of-beautiful-rendition-and-3d-pop-on-modern-lenses
> 
> I can hardly see the difference in his before after shot with the slider
> 

I started to read that article and my first thought was that it was one of 
those pieces that starts from such a warped logistical premise that it is 
impossible to argue with.  I got about 1/3rd of the way through.  But I read 
the last paragraph, as suggested at the beginning.  Did you?

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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

[Mark C]

Lens design has a lot to do with how bokeh is rendered. I've been 
shooting film almost exclusively this year, a lot with a Pentax 6x7 and 
105mm f2.4. That lens  seems to have been designed to produce the most 
beautiful creamy bokeh possible. I also use a Ricoh Diacord TLR, a 6x6 
TLR with a f3.5 Tessar design lens.  The results are incredibly sharp 
but you really can't get a smooth bokeh. Forms clump together and 
highlights in particular render as circles with almost crisp 
circumferences. Each lens has its own purpose. The Pentax lens lets you 
easily isolate a subject against a soft background, giving the nice 3d 
look. But the Diacord is almost magical in creating the appearance of 
infinite depth of field, even when only stopped down to f8 or even f5.6.


I think one issue is that there is no real agreement about what makes 
for a "good" bokeh. The lens in the Diacord seems to have pretty typical 
Tessar type characteristics, including the "clumpy" bokeh. But a lot of 
folks seem to like that - especially in the rendering of specular 
highlights.  Others look for a creamy bokeh with everything running 
together.


Mark

On 9/27/2020 1:54 PM, Toine wrote:

Yes I agree thats the main effect. However this guy even includes lead in
glass as a pop factor. The rendering of bokeh also adds to the effect.
Zooms have a busy bokeh.

https://photographylife.com/the-death-of-beautiful-rendition-and-3d-pop-on-modern-lenses

I can hardly see the difference in his before after shot with the slider

On Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 18:46 Paul Stenquist,  wrote:


What is seen as 3D “pop” is just limited depth of field. And because
primes generally have a larger app wide open than zooms, they give you more
control over DOF.

Paul


On Sep 27, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 

wrote:

That certainly does "pop"!

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 2:54 PM Toine  wrote:

I read a lot about primes vs zooms and old designs of primes. That
should result in something like 3D pop. Never noticed it until today:



https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/#=1=005-899-20200926-imgp3095-edit

I find myself lugging the DA*300 around on a daily basis. Maybe because

it

pops.

Do I need new glasses?

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Re: Will Canon & Nikon leaving the DSLR market boost Pentax?

[P. J. Alling]

The question I have is will Nikon survive attempting to change from 
DSLRs to Mirrorless.  Canon probably will.


On 9/27/2020 2:45 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Being discussed on a Canon forum:
https://www.eoshd.com/news/will-canon-nikon-leaving-the-dslr-market-boost-pentax/


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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

[Toine]

> But I read the last paragraph, as suggested at the beginning.  Did you?

Yes :) It's so full of pseudo science you cannt read it normally to
the end. The before after slider picture is the funniest

On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 21:01, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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> Of course there’s an illusion of 3D. But it’s not the result of lens design 
> secrets. Just limited DOF on big glass.
>
> Paul
>
> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> >
> > That is certainly true, Paul, but there is no denying the illusion of 3D.
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
> > *
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 12:46 PM Paul Stenquist 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> What is seen as 3D “pop” is just limited depth of field. And because
> >> primes generally have a larger app wide open than zooms, they give you more
> >> control over DOF.
> >>
> >> Paul
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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

[Paul Stenquist]

Of course there’s an illusion of 3D. But it’s not the result of lens design 
secrets. Just limited DOF on big glass.

Paul

> On Sep 27, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> That is certainly true, Paul, but there is no denying the illusion of 3D.
> 
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> *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
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>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 12:46 PM Paul Stenquist 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What is seen as 3D “pop” is just limited depth of field. And because
>> primes generally have a larger app wide open than zooms, they give you more
>> control over DOF.
>> 
>> Paul
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[Darren Addy]

Being discussed on a Canon forum:
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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

[Toine]

I tried to quote that website. Yes some zooms have busy bokeh

On Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 20:35 Daniel J. Matyola,  wrote:

> That is certainly true, Paul, but there is no denying the illusion of 3D.
>
> Dan Matyola
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>
>
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 12:46 PM Paul Stenquist 
> wrote:
>
> > What is seen as 3D “pop” is just limited depth of field. And because
> > primes generally have a larger app wide open than zooms, they give you
> more
> > control over DOF.
> >
> > Paul
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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

That is certainly true, Paul, but there is no denying the illusion of 3D.

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> control over DOF.
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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

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Some zooms have busy bokeh. My 150-450 has lovely bokeh.

Paul

> On Sep 27, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Toine  wrote:
> 
> Yes I agree thats the main effect. However this guy even includes lead in
> glass as a pop factor. The rendering of bokeh also adds to the effect.
> Zooms have a busy bokeh.
> 
> https://photographylife.com/the-death-of-beautiful-rendition-and-3d-pop-on-modern-lenses
> 
> I can hardly see the difference in his before after shot with the slider
> 
>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 18:46 Paul Stenquist,  wrote:
>> 
>> What is seen as 3D “pop” is just limited depth of field. And because
>> primes generally have a larger app wide open than zooms, they give you more
>> control over DOF.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That certainly does "pop"!
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
>>> *
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 2:54 PM Toine  wrote:
 
 I read a lot about primes vs zooms and old designs of primes. That
 should result in something like 3D pop. Never noticed it until today:
 
 
>> https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/#=1=005-899-20200926-imgp3095-edit
 
 I find myself lugging the DA*300 around on a daily basis. Maybe because
>> it
 pops.
 
 Do I need new glasses?
 
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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

[Toine]

Yes I agree thats the main effect. However this guy even includes lead in
glass as a pop factor. The rendering of bokeh also adds to the effect.
Zooms have a busy bokeh.

https://photographylife.com/the-death-of-beautiful-rendition-and-3d-pop-on-modern-lenses

I can hardly see the difference in his before after shot with the slider

On Sun, 27 Sep 2020, 18:46 Paul Stenquist,  wrote:

> What is seen as 3D “pop” is just limited depth of field. And because
> primes generally have a larger app wide open than zooms, they give you more
> control over DOF.
>
> Paul
>
> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> >
> > That certainly does "pop"!
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
> > *
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 2:54 PM Toine  wrote:
> >>
> >> I read a lot about primes vs zooms and old designs of primes. That
> >> should result in something like 3D pop. Never noticed it until today:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/#=1=005-899-20200926-imgp3095-edit
> >>
> >> I find myself lugging the DA*300 around on a daily basis. Maybe because
> it
> >> pops.
> >>
> >> Do I need new glasses?
> >>
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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

[Paul Stenquist]

What is seen as 3D “pop” is just limited depth of field. And because primes 
generally have a larger app wide open than zooms, they give you more control 
over DOF.

Paul

> On Sep 27, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> That certainly does "pop"!
> 
> Dan Matyola
> *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
> *
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 2:54 PM Toine  wrote:
>> 
>> I read a lot about primes vs zooms and old designs of primes. That
>> should result in something like 3D pop. Never noticed it until today:
>> 
>> https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/#=1=005-899-20200926-imgp3095-edit
>> 
>> I find myself lugging the DA*300 around on a daily basis. Maybe because it
>> pops.
>> 
>> Do I need new glasses?
>> 
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Re: GESO: Shaheen falcon

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Must be English!

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> MARK!
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> On 9/27/2020 8:18 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote:
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Re: International Observe the Moon Night

[John]

Hm? How do you KNOW that's not what they mean?

On 9/26/2020 20:03:07, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


I thought several PDMLers might be curious.

https://moon.nasa.gov/observe-the-moon-night/

PS. They do not mean mooning! :-)

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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

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That certainly does "pop"!

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> I read a lot about primes vs zooms and old designs of primes. That
> should result in something like 3D pop. Never noticed it until today:
>
> https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/#=1=005-899-20200926-imgp3095-edit
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> I find myself lugging the DA*300 around on a daily basis. Maybe because it
> pops.
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> Do I need new glasses?
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Re: GESO: Shaheen falcon

[ann sanfedele]

MARK!

On 9/27/2020 8:18 AM, Stanley Halpin wrote:


***Between the two recent shots, I prefer the bird to the bug, but that is 
because I generally prefer birds to bugs. ***

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Re: GESO: Shaheen falcon

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Very nice shot! Handsome bird.
Between the two recent shots, I prefer the bird to the bug, but that is because 
I generally prefer birds to bugs. Both the bird “portrait” and the bug are 
nicely framed, good look at the eyes, etc. The action shots of the falcon 
digging in to its meal are nicely graphic!

stan

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 7:58 AM, Subash Jeyan  wrote:
> 
> the shaheen falcon (also called the black shaheen and the indian
> peregrine falcon) is a non-migratory subspecies of the peregrine falcon.
> we had an encounter near chennai with it today and it even put up a
> performance for us:
> 
> https://something-feathered.in/2020/09/24/shaheen-falcon/
> 
> 
> shot with the k3ii and the sigma 150-500 OS HSM.
> 
> comments appreciated...
> 
> subash
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Re: PESO: 3D pop?

[Stanley Halpin]

Very nice. In your image I think the effect is helped by the light fall off 
from near to far and also the contrast of dark tree trunks near vs. the two 
lighter colored ones in a bit further. But the “look” of the lens is also there.

I’ve been using my DA*300 a lot lately, at first because I found that the SDM 
was not working, and then I got it to work but I read that a “cure” was to keep 
exercising the motor often and so I try to take it out for a few shots every 
day.  Through this process, I have been finding I quite like the look this lens 
produces!  I’ll need to look for a stand of trees like yours and see what I can 
do with such a scene.

stan

> On Sep 26, 2020, at 2:53 PM, Toine  wrote:
> 
> I read a lot about primes vs zooms and old designs of primes. That
> should result in something like 3D pop. Never noticed it until today:
> 
> https://www.repiuk.nl/albums/new/#=1=005-899-20200926-imgp3095-edit
> 
> I find myself lugging the DA*300 around on a daily basis. Maybe because it 
> pops.
> 
> Do I need new glasses?
> 
> Toine
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