RE: June PUG is up

2024-06-06 Thread rrvelar



From: Bob W PDML wrote:

I bet there are quite a few old puggers who, like me, still have some of their 
old film gear. 

A couple of years ago I resurrected my old MX and decided to submit to the PUG 
to keep the camera active. 

Shooting film these days is a whole different kettle of beeswax to the old 
days, because it’s so expensive. But it also makes it very different from 
shooting digital, and makes best use of those old but amazing lenses. 

So I’d encourage anyone who still has some Pentax film gear, even if they’re 
not shooting Pentax digital, to push a roll of film through once a month and 
somehow make whatever you get fit a PUG theme.
-

I still have an MX, LX & K2DMD. From time to time I put a roll of film through 
them, simply because I like the feel of them and the lenses I bought many years 
ago still do a good job. 

I record the everyday ordinary and it's interesting to see how areas change in 
a way you don't see day to day. It doesn't often fit any theme at all but I'll 
happily enjoy those who submit images which do.

Malcolm


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Re: New photos on line

2024-06-06 Thread Steve Cottrell
Only a Brit could ever write these words in such close proximity.

> On 31 May 2024, at 04:38, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> much more intimate.  Especially with a Llama.


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Re: Adobe Brouhaha

2024-06-06 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 06.06.24 um 23:13 schrieb l...@red4est.com:

Thoughts? Or adobe?


Thoughts about Adobe.

Ralf

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Re: Adobe Brouhaha

2024-06-06 Thread lrc



On June 6, 2024 1:39:28 PM PDT, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
>Am 06.06.24 um 19:59 schrieb Larry Colen:
>> Thoughts?
>
>Thank Heavens I have nothing to do with them anymore.

Thoughts? Or adobe?
>
>Ralf
>

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Re: Adobe Brouhaha

2024-06-06 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 06.06.24 um 19:59 schrieb Larry Colen:

Thoughts?


Thank Heavens I have nothing to do with them anymore.

Ralf

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Re: Adobe Brouhaha

2024-06-06 Thread paul stenquist
These squabbles don’t bother me. PhotoShop is my lifeblood, and it has been for 
25 years. I use the cloud version for about ten bucks a month,  and  I don’t 
store anything on Adobe servers. I use my own storage and Dropbox. What’s more, 
PhotoShop gets better every year. No complaints.
Paul

> On Jun 6, 2024, at 1:59 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> There seems to be a lot of sound and fury going around the net about this 
> section of Adobe licensing:
> 4.2 Licenses to Your Content. Solely for the purposes of operating or 
> improving the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, 
> royalty-free sublicensable, license, to use, reproduce, publicly display, 
> distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform, and 
> translate the Content. For example, we  may sublicense our right to the 
> Content to our service providers or to other users to allow the Services and 
> Software to operate as intended, such as enabling you to share photos with 
> others. Separately, section 4.6 (Feedback) below covers any Feedback that you 
> provide to us. 
> 
> 4.3 Ownership. As between you and Adobe, you (as a Business User or a 
> Personal User, as applicable) retain all rights and ownership of your Content 
> (or where applicable, you must ensure that you or the Business (as 
> applicable) have a valid license to the Content). We do not claim any 
> ownership rights to your Content.
> 
> 
> I read 4.2 as giving Adobe permission to share your content with other 
> services so that you can, for example, post photos you keep on their servers 
> to other sites like facebook.  
> 
> Thoughts?  
> 
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Re: Adobe Brouhaha

2024-06-06 Thread Mark Roberts
It calls to mind an old gem from the PDML quotations list (I forget what year): 
"Any harm I can do Adobe will be done with a song in my heart" - Mike Wilson

Jun 6, 2024 1:59:19 PM Larry Colen :

> There seems to be a lot of sound and fury going around the net about this 
> section of Adobe licensing:
> 4.2 Licenses to Your Content. Solely for the purposes of operating or 
> improving the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, 
> royalty-free sublicensable, license, to use, reproduce, publicly display, 
> distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform, and 
> translate the Content. For example, we  may sublicense our right to the 
> Content to our service providers or to other users to allow the Services and 
> Software to operate as intended, such as enabling you to share photos with 
> others. Separately, section 4.6 (Feedback) below covers any Feedback that you 
> provide to us.
> 
> 4.3 Ownership. As between you and Adobe, you (as a Business User or a 
> Personal User, as applicable) retain all rights and ownership of your Content 
> (or where applicable, you must ensure that you or the Business (as 
> applicable) have a valid license to the Content). We do not claim any 
> ownership rights to your Content.
> 
> 
> I read 4.2 as giving Adobe permission to share your content with other 
> services so that you can, for example, post photos you keep on their servers 
> to other sites like facebook. 
> 
> Thoughts? 
> 
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Adobe Brouhaha

2024-06-06 Thread Larry Colen
There seems to be a lot of sound and fury going around the net about this 
section of Adobe licensing:
4.2 Licenses to Your Content. Solely for the purposes of operating or improving 
the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, 
royalty-free sublicensable, license, to use, reproduce, publicly display, 
distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform, and 
translate the Content. For example, we  may sublicense our right to the Content 
to our service providers or to other users to allow the Services and Software 
to operate as intended, such as enabling you to share photos with others. 
Separately, section 4.6 (Feedback) below covers any Feedback that you provide 
to us. 

4.3 Ownership. As between you and Adobe, you (as a Business User or a Personal 
User, as applicable) retain all rights and ownership of your Content (or where 
applicable, you must ensure that you or the Business (as applicable) have a 
valid license to the Content). We do not claim any ownership rights to your 
Content.


I read 4.2 as giving Adobe permission to share your content with other services 
so that you can, for example, post photos you keep on their servers to other 
sites like facebook.  

Thoughts?  

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Re: June PUG is up

2024-06-06 Thread Bob W PDML
>> 
>> Enjoy the (disappointingly small) gallery here:
>> 
>> http://pug.komkon.org/
> 
> Unfortunately I suspect the number of contributors will continue to decline.
> 
> It's been 2 1/2 years since I picked up a Pentax (except for yesterday when
> I charged up the K5 and checked that it still appeared to be in working 
> order).
> 
> I was never a frequent contributor to the PUG, but during that time there have
> been a few galleries where I would have been tempted to submit something.
> I know I'm not the only PDMLer who has, for various reasons, switched to a
> different brand. I may be using an Olympus now, but I still think of myself
> as a PDMLer; I haven't even looked for an Olympus User's Group I could join.

I bet there are quite a few old puggers who, like me, still have some of their 
old film gear. 

A couple of years ago I resurrected my old MX and decided to submit to the PUG 
to keep the camera active. 

Shooting film these days is a whole different kettle of beeswax to the old 
days, because it’s so expensive. But it also makes it very different from 
shooting digital, and makes best use of those old but amazing lenses. 

So I’d encourage anyone who still has some Pentax film gear, even if they’re 
not shooting Pentax digital, to push a roll of film through once a month and 
somehow make whatever you get fit a PUG theme.
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Re: June PUG is up

2024-06-06 Thread John Sessoms




On 6/5/2024 8:05 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 05.06.24 um 13:33 schrieb Brian Walters:

Enjoy the (disappointingly small) gallery here:


Not for want of trying. I've scrolled through years and years of photos 
and haven't been able to find anything 'abstract'. So, hats off to those 
who have found something to contribute.


Special kudos to Ann and Henk.

Ralf



I had several, but none taken with Pentax camera or lens. (I've had a 
couple of canon point 'n shoot digitals.)


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