Re: June PUG is up

2024-06-12 Thread Larry Colen



> On Jun 12, 2024, at 11:57 AM, John Francis  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 at 04:19:11PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2024, at 4:09 PM, John Francis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 06, 2024 at 12:42:39AM +0200, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
 Am 06.06.24 um 00:09 schrieb John Francis:
> Maybe it's time to add a section to the PUG for images created with 
> non-Pentax
> gear. Or maybe it isn't - I don't know hom many other non-Pentax using 
> PDMLers
> are still around.
 
 What keeps you from posting photos shot while you were using Pentax gear?
 
 I haven't been able to take any new photos for the last two years and my
 days as a 'picture taking' photographer are over but I still have tens of
 thousands of RAW and scanned analog photos to sift through and quite a few
 to publish.
>>> 
>>> Nothing stops me from posting old photographs - I shoot significantly less
>>> than some people here, so I've got every digital image I took available.
>>> (And boxes of slides, negatives, etc., very few of which have been scanned).
>>> But that doesn't help me get to be a better photographer. I sometimes used
>>> the PUG topic as a way to prompt myself out of my comfort zone and try some
>>> shots I'd never have thought of myself. Much of the time it didn't result
>>> in anything I wanted to show anybody else, but there were occasions when I
>>> came up with something I was pleased with, and even a few times when I ended
>>> up with an image I felt was worth submitting.
>> 
>> I see a couple of options.  
>> 
>> You could use the PUG as an excuse to grab the K-5 and give it some exercise.
> 
> One thing I found when I checked out the K-5 recently is that after a couple
> of years using the M1X I'd definitely have to re-learn the camera - even such
> simple things as the feel of the camera (exacly where the basic controls are,
> how hard to press the buttons, etc.) are very different.  I'd also got used to
> having a screen on the back of the camera for reviewing shots, adjusting 
> settings,
> etc.  And, of course, a major plus of switching formats was a the lens weight.

There are definite advantages to u4/3
> 
> The one thing I didn't have with the M1X was a backup body. I'd been thinking 
> of
> getting an M5 - that would presumably be a lot closer operationally to the 
> M1X.
> I know you'd been less than completely satisifed with your one, but for what I
> tend to shoot most of the time I suspect It would serve me well enough.

Yeah, but for what I use it for, it is better than the full size DSLRs

> 
> I was still thinking things over - after all, you might decide to get rid of
> your M5 because it didn't meet your requirements - when I took a look at 
> Mike's
> Camera to see what they would want for an EPL-10 (not for me, but our trusty
> old EPL-1 is really getting a bit too long in the tooth) and noticed that they
> were apparently prepared to sell me an M1X for what they wanted for an M5.

Really?  How much?  Hmm if I return my OM5 to Amazon and turn it into an M1X 
for the same money, I'd be rather tempted.

> 
> It arrived today.

Congrats.


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Re: June PUG is up

2024-06-12 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 at 04:19:11PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> > On Jun 5, 2024, at 4:09 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, Jun 06, 2024 at 12:42:39AM +0200, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
> >> Am 06.06.24 um 00:09 schrieb John Francis:
> >>> Maybe it's time to add a section to the PUG for images created with 
> >>> non-Pentax
> >>> gear. Or maybe it isn't - I don't know hom many other non-Pentax using 
> >>> PDMLers
> >>> are still around.
> >> 
> >> What keeps you from posting photos shot while you were using Pentax gear?
> >> 
> >> I haven't been able to take any new photos for the last two years and my
> >> days as a 'picture taking' photographer are over but I still have tens of
> >> thousands of RAW and scanned analog photos to sift through and quite a few
> >> to publish.
> > 
> > Nothing stops me from posting old photographs - I shoot significantly less
> > than some people here, so I've got every digital image I took available.
> > (And boxes of slides, negatives, etc., very few of which have been scanned).
> > But that doesn't help me get to be a better photographer. I sometimes used
> > the PUG topic as a way to prompt myself out of my comfort zone and try some
> > shots I'd never have thought of myself. Much of the time it didn't result
> > in anything I wanted to show anybody else, but there were occasions when I
> > came up with something I was pleased with, and even a few times when I ended
> > up with an image I felt was worth submitting.
> 
> I see a couple of options.  
> 
> You could use the PUG as an excuse to grab the K-5 and give it some exercise.

One thing I found when I checked out the K-5 recently is that after a couple
of years using the M1X I'd definitely have to re-learn the camera - even such
simple things as the feel of the camera (exacly where the basic controls are,
how hard to press the buttons, etc.) are very different.  I'd also got used to
having a screen on the back of the camera for reviewing shots, adjusting 
settings,
etc.  And, of course, a major plus of switching formats was a the lens weight.

The one thing I didn't have with the M1X was a backup body. I'd been thinking of
getting an M5 - that would presumably be a lot closer operationally to the M1X.
I know you'd been less than completely satisifed with your one, but for what I
tend to shoot most of the time I suspect It would serve me well enough.

I was still thinking things over - after all, you might decide to get rid of
your M5 because it didn't meet your requirements - when I took a look at Mike's
Camera to see what they would want for an EPL-10 (not for me, but our trusty
old EPL-1 is really getting a bit too long in the tooth) and noticed that they
were apparently prepared to sell me an M1X for what they wanted for an M5.

It arrived today.
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Re: Adobe Brouhaha

2024-06-12 Thread John Sessoms
Like just about everything else in business "licensing", it sounds like 
it's there for a benign purpose, but some evil asshole could find a way 
to abuse it with moderate effort.


On 6/6/2024 1:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

There seems to be a lot of sound and fury going around the net about this 
section of Adobe licensing:
4.2 Licenses to Your Content. Solely for the purposes of operating or improving 
the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, 
royalty-free sublicensable, license, to use, reproduce, publicly display, 
distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform, and 
translate the Content. For example, we  may sublicense our right to the Content 
to our service providers or to other users to allow the Services and Software 
to operate as intended, such as enabling you to share photos with others. 
Separately, section 4.6 (Feedback) below covers any Feedback that you provide 
to us.

4.3 Ownership. As between you and Adobe, you (as a Business User or a Personal 
User, as applicable) retain all rights and ownership of your Content (or where 
applicable, you must ensure that you or the Business (as applicable) have a 
valid license to the Content). We do not claim any ownership rights to your 
Content.


I read 4.2 as giving Adobe permission to share your content with other services 
so that you can, for example, post photos you keep on their servers to other 
sites like facebook.

Thoughts?

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