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pentax-discuss-d Digest Volume 05 : Issue 2408
Today's Topics:
Re: DS Battery Indicator [ Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: B&W Digital Prints? - [ Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Survey results to date. [ Tim Sherburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
RE: Survey results to date. [ "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoo [ "E.R.N. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: OT: Another PayPal scam [ "E.R.N. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoo [ "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
PESO -- Angelita [ Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
Re: Pentax Future? What's next for P [ "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
Re: PESO -- Angelita [ Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Pentax Future? What's next for P [ John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: RETHINK: Survey results to date. [ Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: PESO -- Angelita [ Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: I'm baaack [ Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: I'm baaack [ Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: I'm baaack [ Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
RE: RETHINK: Survey results to date. [ "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
PESO: Others 2005 - 39p - GDG [ Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: 35mm F2.0 for *ist-Ds [ Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
Re: Pentax Future? What's next for P [ "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
RE: PESO: Others 2005 - 39p - GDG [ "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: PESO -- Angelita [ Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
Re: DS Battery Indicator [ David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: PAW - "Feeding the Seagulls" [ David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Pentax Future? What's next for P [ Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoo [ Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:01:47 -0400
From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: DS Battery Indicator
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Didn't Ricoh try that back in the 80's? KR-10 I think.
-Adam
Glen wrote:
> At 11:54 AM 9/29/2005, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>
>> On Sep 29, 2005, at 12:59 AM, Cotty wrote:
>>
>>>> Happily, it's generally good enough. Have backups ready when they get
>>>> to half. Replace when they show empty. What more do you really
>>>> need? ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Viable fuel cell technology!
>>
>>
>> Old technology. I saw a show featuring turbine engine development ...
>> micro turbine engines, smaller than your thumbnail, are being
>> designed with the notion of powering microgenerators to self-recharge
>> Li-Ion batteries in devices. Jet powered cameras, anyone?
>>
>> Godfrey
>
>
> What about a 24 megapixel solar powered *istDS, with rechargeable
> Lithium-Ion battery backup? Of course, we would need a solar powered
> flash system to match it. Some of us would never have to buy batteries
> again!
>
> If we're going to dream, let's dream big. ;)
>
>
> take care,
> Glen
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:04:38 -0400
From: Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: B&W Digital Prints? -
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I'd suggest heading over to the DigitalBWThePrint Yahoo Group. This is
their area of expertise.
-Adam
Glen wrote:
> At 01:19 PM 9/29/2005, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
>
>> I really
>> dislike having to shoot color all the time and then make conversions
>> in PS.
>> Maybe that will change, but, for me, there's nothing that can replace
>> real
>> B&W film with the photos printed on silver paper.
>
>
> I've recently been asked to shoot some B&W work. I use my *stDS these
> days, and the conversion to B&W isn't a problem for me at all. In
> fact, it should be easier to get many of the tonal effects I want with
> a digital system.
>
> However, getting a print that looks like my old selenium toned art
> prints is going to be a real challenge. Does anyone know of a way to
> get prints made on traditional silver-based B&W paper from my *istDS?
> I want the very rich blacks and crisp tonal range of real prints that
> have been selenium toned. I either need a way to get a film negative
> made from an *istDS image, or find some place that can print onto
> actual silver paper for me, so I can tone the prints myself.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> I'm afraid that I'll probably have to settle for printing them on a
> color printer, or color printing service, and forget about the special
> appeal of selenium-toned silver images. I guess this is how the
> platinum printing guys felt when that style of printing became obsolete.
>
> Hey, since I brought it up, I wonder if any diehard artist has made
> platinum B&W prints from their digital SLR? ;)
>
>
> thanks,
> Glen
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:13:45 -0700
From: Tim Sherburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Survey results to date.
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I'm getting something in klingon...
On 9/29/05 16:55, P. J. Alling wrote:
> I'm getting page not found...
>
> Don Sanderson wrote:
>
>> OK, You asked for it! ;-)
>> Here are the survey results so far:
>>
>> http://www.donsauction.com/Pentax/data2.pdf
>>
>> Raw data without dupes removed.
>> Names are there but e-mail and www links
>> have been removed as promised.
>>
>> What I find most interesting is what _isn't_ there.
>> (Been kinda quiet around here the last couple of days too.)
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:30:13 -0500
From: "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: Survey results to date.
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Actually I think it's Romulan. ;-)
You probably don't have the Acrobat plugin.
Get the reader (free) from www.adobe.com
Don
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Sherburne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:14 PM
> To: Pentax Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Survey results to date.
>
>
>
> I'm getting something in klingon...
>
> On 9/29/05 16:55, P. J. Alling wrote:
>
> > I'm getting page not found...
> >
> > Don Sanderson wrote:
> >
> >> OK, You asked for it! ;-)
> >> Here are the survey results so far:
> >>
> >> http://www.donsauction.com/Pentax/data2.pdf
> >>
> >> Raw data without dupes removed.
> >> Names are there but e-mail and www links
> >> have been removed as promised.
> >>
> >> What I find most interesting is what _isn't_ there.
> >> (Been kinda quiet around here the last couple of days too.)
> >>
> >> Don
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:41:39 -0500
From: "E.R.N. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Liberty. Was: anybody still shoot film?
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Cotty wrote:
> <klingon smile>
I don't think I've ever seen a Klingon smile.
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:43:24 -0500
From: "E.R.N. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT: Another PayPal scam
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P. J. Alling wrote:
> I always forward suspect paypal e-mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] They let
> me know if it's real or not
> by return mail. So far not one I've suspected of being false has been
> genuine.
I just ignore any emails that tell me my ebay account or paypal account
is in danger of being cancelled. This is because I know, as apparently
the scammers don't, that I do not have an ebay or paypal account in the
first place.
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:49:22 -0400
From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
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It's hard to tell because they usually show their teeth.
E.R.N. Reed wrote:
> Cotty wrote:
>
>> <klingon smile>
>
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a Klingon smile.
>
>
--
When you're worried or in doubt,
Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:46:16 -0400
From: Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: PESO -- Angelita
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This is a photo of my wife's cousin's daughter taken at a family
outing a few weeks ago. MX, M85/2, HP5+, Ilfosol S 1+9. Of the seven
frames she allowed me to take, this one is my favorite.
Thanks for looking.
http://twosixteen.com/gallery/index.php?id=178
--
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com
--
"You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:48:48 -0600
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Herb Chong"
Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...
>
> people here haven't started to think about it yet, but a 10MP sensor in
> the same APS size will be more demanding on lenses than the *istD. unless
> you have excellent lenses, the extra resolution may not buy you any extra
> enlargement capability.
I've been thinking about that for a year or so now.......
William Robb
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:20:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: PESO -- Angelita
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Scott,
Soulful, pensive and powerful. Just great!
It has, however, a flat sort of drab look about it. Perhaps a tiny
anount of non-mood breaking contrast to slightly increase depth?..or
not.
Jack
--- Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is a photo of my wife's cousin's daughter taken at a family
> outing a few weeks ago. MX, M85/2, HP5+, Ilfosol S 1+9. Of the
> seven
> frames she allowed me to take, this one is my favorite.
>
> Thanks for looking.
>
> http://twosixteen.com/gallery/index.php?id=178
>
> --
> Scott Loveless
> http://www.twosixteen.com
>
> --
> "You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman
>
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:24:18 -0400
From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...
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On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 05:03:07PM -0600, Tom C wrote:
>
> So basically if Pentax comes out with a 10MP APS-C DSLR as their flagship
> they will be saying in the eyes of most of the world, "we are not even
> attempting to stay up with our competitors when it comes to non-MF DSLR's".
>
> It may be a good camera, it may produce excellent results, but in the eyes
> of comparison shoppers and in the eyes of professionals who buy their
> equipment to make a living, it will be lacking.
The competition will be the Nikon D200 and the followon to the Canon 20D.
A 10MP camera with an APS-C sensor will play just fine in that segment.
Pentax don't even suggest that the *ist-D cameras are intended for the
professional user; their target purchaser is the advanced prosumer at
the high end of their range, and the novice first-time DSLR owner at
the low end.
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:26:25 -0700
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
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Thanks Don! That's much more readable.
Godfrey
On Sep 29, 2005, at 6:20 PM, Don Sanderson wrote:
> As a matter of fact, I can. ;-)
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:27:57 -0700
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO -- Angelita
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Rather nice! The tones are a little dark and muddy on my screen, but
I love the expression. :-)
Godfrey
On Sep 29, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
> This is a photo of my wife's cousin's daughter taken at a family
> outing a few weeks ago. MX, M85/2, HP5+, Ilfosol S 1+9. Of the seven
> frames she allowed me to take, this one is my favorite.
>
> Thanks for looking.
>
> http://twosixteen.com/gallery/index.php?id=178
>
> --
> Scott Loveless
> http://www.twosixteen.com
>
> --
> "You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman
>
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:28:04 -0400
From: Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: I'm baaack
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Jack Davis wrote:
>
> Ann,
> Enjoyed this much of your trip. Anxious to see more.
> Especially like chess scene. I could nit pic it bit, but you're not in
> a position to re-shoot it even IF you were to agree with me.
LOL!
> Did you go play frisbee with that poor pitiful dog?
>
> Jack
>
Glad you liked the shots, Jack.
Poor Little Bit never did get anyone to play with
her when I was there..
but she gets lots of tender loving care. That
pathetic look is just a ruse.
You are reminding me I mis-spelled "Frisbee" as
FRIZBY - but I'm guilty
with an explaination...
A friend of mine some years ago wrote the ultimate
book on frisbee and his
email pun's on it using "FRIZBY" as part of his
name.
Ann
> --- Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > just trying to catch my breath...
> >
> > but here is a GESO - the beginning of stuff from
> > the Can-Am trip
> >
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=518950
> >
> > dark side PRO-1, alas,
> >
> > sure I want a ISTd - but can't do it yet
> >
> > trip had many ups and downs... I meant to put
> > notes on all the
> > photos but just getting this many up was a chore
> >
> > hope you guys and gals haven't been to naughty
> > while I was gone
> >
> > Wish I had seen all the Pentaxians I had hoped to
> > see but
> > sure enjoyed my time spent with Robb and family
> > and same with Paul Stenquist -
> >
> > Timing off in the bay area for Bruce and Marnie :(
> >
> > travelin' annsan
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:31:19 -0400
From: Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: I'm baaack
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frank theriault wrote:
>
>
>
> Luv ya, Ann. Glad to see yer back. Too bad you didn't make it to
> Toronto, but I certainly understand - besides, I just saw you at your
> place in July (although sadly we didn't get to spend much time
> together).
>
> Your gallery is wonderful - as expected. <g>
>
> Relax, go to Scrabble tonight, and we'll see you back on the list when
> you've had a chance to inhale... <g>
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
Back from Scrabble - great to be in contact with
all you guys again...
The photos have been going better than the
Scrabble - I need to get back
in shape!
Best,
a
> --
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:34:07 -0400
From: Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: I'm baaack
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keith_w wrote:
>
> frank theriault wrote:
>
> > On 9/29/05, Ann Sanfedele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> just trying to catch my breath...
>
> [...]
>
> > Luv ya, Ann. Glad to see yer back. Too bad you didn't make it to
> > Toronto, but I certainly understand - besides, I just saw you at your
> > place in July (although sadly we didn't get to spend much time
> > together).
> >
> > Your gallery is wonderful - as expected. <g>
> >
> > Relax, go to Scrabble tonight, and we'll see you back on the list when
> > you've had a chance to inhale... <g>
>
> There've been rumors, but I didn't believe them... sighhh.
>
> Puts a new meaning to the word "token." Or, is it "tokin'?"
>
> keith
>
> > cheers,
> > frank
Geez for a minute I didn't get this...!!
Been a long time since I've inhaled anything that
wasn't second hand.
(I DO live near St. Marks Place:) )
a
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 06:41:05 +0200
From: "Jens Bladt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Very interesting, Don.
>What I find most interesting is what _isn't_ there.
>(Been kinda quiet around here the last couple of days too.)
After I filled in the form, the submission button didn't work. Some kind of
error message appeared. I gave it up.
Jens Bladt
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Fra: Don Sanderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: RETHINK: Survey results to date.
After reading the web page again I better ask before I
post names with this, actually before show it at all.
Any objections to having this data available for people
to browse???
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Sanderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 6:09 PM
> To: PDML
> Subject: Survey results to date.
>
>
> OK, You asked for it! ;-)
> Here are the survey results so far:
>
> http://www.donsauction.com/Pentax/data2.pdf
>
> Raw data without dupes removed.
> Names are there but e-mail and www links
> have been removed as promised.
>
> What I find most interesting is what _isn't_ there.
> (Been kinda quiet around here the last couple of days too.)
>
> Don
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:57:09 -0700
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PDML <pentax-discuss@pdml.net>
Cc: Joseph DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Stephen J. Esposito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Paul Dunderdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO: Others 2005 - 39p - GDG
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I was mucking around with some test exposures and made this up from a
shot during one of the TT practices this past Spring. I don't think
it's great art, but I kinda like it anyway. :-)
http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/39p.htm
enjoy
Godfrey
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:50:05 -0400
From: Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: 35mm F2.0 for *ist-Ds
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Here is another little gallery shot entirely with the FA35/2AL on the
*istD:
http://www.alphoto.com/recent/page1.htm
It is by far my favorite lens, and I've some good ones.
Doug
On Sep 29, 2005, at 5:05 PM, Mark Erickson wrote:
> All,
> I have a *ist-Ds that I've been using a lot for family and baby
> pictures. Rather than use the 18-55 I got with the camera, I've
> been shooting with either my FA 50mm F1.7 or my FA* 24mm F2.0. I
> like the slightly long perspective with the 50mm lens for portraits
> and the 24mm does nice duty as a moderate wide-angle lens.
> I've been thinking about splitting the difference with a 35mm F2.0
> lens, but I'm a little concerned that that normal perspective will
> be neither wide enough nor long enough. That said, I see that a
> number of folks on the list shoot with lenses like the 31 Ltd, the
> FA 35, or the 43 Ltd. Any thoughts and input on the utility of the
> 35mm lens with various subjects would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:53:20 -0600
From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...
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I understand exactly what you're saying and basically agree, unless, the 20D
replacement comes out with >10 MP.
I guess I was looking at it from the standpoint (possibly unrealistic) that
if Pentax does not establish a professional image in the DSLR category, it
will not be to their good. I am stuck with Pentax, unless I, 1) chuck the
whole system for another brand, or 2) keep the Pentax gear as a backup and
buy a new brand. Others are not in the same boat, and I'm not suggesting
that most professionals would go out and invest in a Pentax DSLR.
I am worried that if most buyers, when making a comparison, find that Pentax
is playing 3rd fiddle, they'll likely go with a 2nd or 1st fiddle camera
brand. I know that if I did not have an investment already, Pentax is not
the brand I would buy, whether it be a low-end model or a pro-sumer model.
If competition is as fierce as has been stated (or implied) then the image
(no pun intended) Pentax garners may be as important to their future success
as the products they produce. They are likely sides of the same coin.
I think it behooves them to release a DSLR in the same 1-2 month time frame
as their competition, that equals their competition in every way, both at
the high and low ends of the market.
To tell the truth, I suspect they have already lost the fight and will
dwindle into oblivion as a maker of camera gear. I hope not, but I think
they're just unable to compete. The more biased and lopsided the market
becomes, the fewer sales Pentax will make, the less money will be available
for new product development.
Tom C.
>From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...
>DI ate: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:24:18 -0400
>
>On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 05:03:07PM -0600, Tom C wrote:
> >
> > So basically if Pentax comes out with a 10MP APS-C DSLR as their
>flagship
> > they will be saying in the eyes of most of the world, "we are not even
> > attempting to stay up with our competitors when it comes to non-MF
>DSLR's".
> >
> > It may be a good camera, it may produce excellent results, but in the
>eyes
> > of comparison shoppers and in the eyes of professionals who buy their
> > equipment to make a living, it will be lacking.
>
>The competition will be the Nikon D200 and the followon to the Canon 20D.
>A 10MP camera with an APS-C sensor will play just fine in that segment.
>Pentax don't even suggest that the *ist-D cameras are intended for the
>professional user; their target purchaser is the advanced prosumer at
>the high end of their range, and the novice first-time DSLR owner at
>the low end.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:00:01 -0600
From: "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: RE: PESO: Others 2005 - 39p - GDG
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Yeah nice shot! While maybe not art, it looks like a great cycle
advertisement.
Tom C.
>From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PDML <pentax-discuss@pdml.net>
>CC: Joseph DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Stephen J. Esposito"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Dunderdale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: PESO: Others 2005 - 39p - GDG
>Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:57:09 -0700
>
>I was mucking around with some test exposures and made this up from a shot
>during one of the TT practices this past Spring. I don't think it's great
>art, but I kinda like it anyway. :-)
>
>http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/39p.htm
>
>enjoy
>Godfrey
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:10:48 -0700
From: Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Scott Loveless <pentax-discuss@pdml.net>
Subject: Re: PESO -- Angelita
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Hello Scott,
Like what you caught here. A very determined expression gives some
feeling about her personality. Nice job.
--
Best regards,
Bruce
Thursday, September 29, 2005, 7:46:16 PM, you wrote:
SL> This is a photo of my wife's cousin's daughter taken at a family
SL> outing a few weeks ago. MX, M85/2, HP5+, Ilfosol S 1+9. Of the seven
SL> frames she allowed me to take, this one is my favorite.
SL> Thanks for looking.
SL> http://twosixteen.com/gallery/index.php?id=178
SL> --
SL> Scott Loveless
SL> http://www.twosixteen.com
SL> --
SL> "You have to hold the button down" -Arnold Newman
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:14:01 +1200
From: David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Sep 30, 2005, at 3:54 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> Old technology. I saw a show featuring turbine engine
> development ... micro turbine engines, smaller than your thumbnail,
> are being designed with the notion of powering microgenerators to
> self-recharge Li-Ion batteries in devices. Jet powered cameras,
> anyone?
I don't think I'd want jet-exhaust blowing into my face, no matter
how small the engine is.
Maybe it could use a heat-exchanger to heat the tea water.
Here's an article about these things that I found with Google.
http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/04/11/freedman1104.asp
- Dave
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:15:28 +1200
From: David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I'll try and remember. Usually I do this, but as John's response had
already included my URL I chopped out that part. Since we're no
longer referencing the pic I'm not going to paste it here :) The
whole thread seems to have made it into the archive BTW.
- Dave (in a bad mood because his &*&^%% printer managed to make a
mess of a metre-long panorama, after the preceding test-print worked
fine)
On Sep 29, 2005, at 8:17 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> PLEASE include the URL when quoting or referencing pix. Often the
> original
> post doesn't make it to the list or the archives, at least for some
> people.
> This has been suggested/requested several times on the list by a few
> people.
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:31:42 +1000
From: Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Pentax Future? What's next for Pentax...
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This one time, at band camp, "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To tell the truth, I suspect they have already lost the fight and will
> dwindle into oblivion as a maker of camera gear. I hope not, but I think
> they're just unable to compete. The more biased and lopsided the market
> becomes, the fewer sales Pentax will make, the less money will be available
> for new product development.
I think you are right that the fight is lost. Pentax have no Pro level digital
offering and the others have filled the market well. Many people see what the
pro's are using and think if they use the same brand they will be ok. All they
can hope for now is to flood the market with P&S optio's and the like to
maintain any presence in the market place.
I will be jumping ship early 2006 but will keep my 6x7 for my own photo's and
perhaps a single Pentax D for a backup. Unless between now and then we see
something significant to put in the xmas stocking (am I the first to mention
xmas?)
like a 645D with a good size sensor. For the 35mm it would seem Pentax are going
to stay with the APS sensor and this will do fine for 'prosumer' market, but I
fear even this market will be lost if punters have nothing to aspire to.
Kind regards
Kevin
--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:22:03 +0100
From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 29/9/05, E.R.N. Reed, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> <klingon smile>
>
>I don't think I've ever seen a Klingon smile.
They do when there's the scent of blood in the air.
Cheers,
Cotty
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