RE: *-ist D and NiMH battery life
This is an interesting point. I thought these shutters were rated for about 100,000 or so. You could reach that a lot quicker with a DSLR. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/13/2004 1:21:56 AM I am more worried about Camera Life. I have shot 5000 shots in the 47 days, I have owned the *ist D. So, I'm keeping up my 100 shots a day rate in average. I sometimes wonder how long the camera will keep up :-) Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 9. oktober 2004 22:06 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: *-ist D and NiMH battery life Wow. That might get me to break my lithium habit. Very good. Thanks to you and Mark. paul On Oct 9, 2004, at 3:55 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Over a 10 day shooting period in Alaska last month, I shot over 1400 images with the *ist D and only changed the 4 NiMH 2000ma Ray o Vac (15 minute charge time) batteries once @ around 1000 images. I never used the flash but I did used the LCD at the end of the day to edit the obvious out. Some auto focus but mostly manual focus. Temperatures ranged from a low in the 20's (F) to no higher than low 60's (F). I am very happy with that battery performance - Thank you Mark Cassino! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Neil Shipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: *-ist D and NiMH battery life I picked up a *ist D last weekend, and am unsure of the battery life for NiMH batteries. The store I bought it from sold me a 4 pack of Quantaray 2300mAh NiMH batteries and according to the user manual for the camera I'm supposed to get a few hundred shots out of them. I don't have the extra battery pack option, and I'm lucky if I get 30 shots. The Panasonic lithium CR-V3 batteries that came with it are still ok. So, I'm wondering if I either have defective batteries, a defective charger (I have a sony NiMH/NiCd charger that does up to 4 AA or 2 AAA batteries at a time, and during a charge the batteries get quite warm but not hot), if I'm reading the manual incorrectly or if the user manual is just wrong. When the batteries start to die, the battery indicator still shows a full charge, but the camera sounds like it raises and lowers the mirror a couple times like it was taking two shots at the same time, and then locks solid. None of the buttons work, and it won't turn off. I have to take the batteries out to reset the camera. Neil.
Re: RE: *-ist D and NiMH battery life
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/13/2004 1:21:56 AM I am more worried about Camera Life. I have shot 5000 shots in the 47 days, I have owned the *ist D. So, I'm keeping up my 100 shots a day rate in average. I sometimes wonder how long the camera will keep up :-) I am wondering how you don't keep bumping into things, with that camera glued to your face 8-) Looks like you will be buying a new one, or at least getting it serviced [unlikely, because that should read: completely overhauled, with a new shutter assembly], within three years if the 100,000 shots estimate is correct. mike - Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/
Re: *-ist D and NiMH battery life
I kind of though shutter MTBF was rated at about 50K cycles on amateur cameras and 100-150K cycles on serious pro cameras. Of course MTBF (mean time before failure) like most statistics has no meaning when applied to an individual camera. Nor does it say anything about when the shutter will wear out as that is controlled a lot by how often the shutter is serviced. I would guess a properly maintained shutter would have a life (worn beyond repair) of better than one million cycles, and a lot less if not serviced at all. -- Steve Desjardins wrote: This is an interesting point. I thought these shutters were rated for about 100,000 or so. You could reach that a lot quicker with a DSLR. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/13/2004 1:21:56 AM I am more worried about Camera Life. I have shot 5000 shots in the 47 days, I have owned the *ist D. So, I'm keeping up my 100 shots a day rate in average. I sometimes wonder how long the camera will keep up :-) Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 9. oktober 2004 22:06 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: *-ist D and NiMH battery life Wow. That might get me to break my lithium habit. Very good. Thanks to you and Mark. paul On Oct 9, 2004, at 3:55 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Over a 10 day shooting period in Alaska last month, I shot over 1400 images with the *ist D and only changed the 4 NiMH 2000ma Ray o Vac (15 minute charge time) batteries once @ around 1000 images. I never used the flash but I did used the LCD at the end of the day to edit the obvious out. Some auto focus but mostly manual focus. Temperatures ranged from a low in the 20's (F) to no higher than low 60's (F). I am very happy with that battery performance - Thank you Mark Cassino! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Neil Shipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: *-ist D and NiMH battery life I picked up a *ist D last weekend, and am unsure of the battery life for NiMH batteries. The store I bought it from sold me a 4 pack of Quantaray 2300mAh NiMH batteries and according to the user manual for the camera I'm supposed to get a few hundred shots out of them. I don't have the extra battery pack option, and I'm lucky if I get 30 shots. The Panasonic lithium CR-V3 batteries that came with it are still ok. So, I'm wondering if I either have defective batteries, a defective charger (I have a sony NiMH/NiCd charger that does up to 4 AA or 2 AAA batteries at a time, and during a charge the batteries get quite warm but not hot), if I'm reading the manual incorrectly or if the user manual is just wrong. When the batteries start to die, the battery indicator still shows a full charge, but the camera sounds like it raises and lowers the mirror a couple times like it was taking two shots at the same time, and then locks solid. None of the buttons work, and it won't turn off. I have to take the batteries out to reset the camera. Neil. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: *-ist D and NiMH battery life
Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I kind of though shutter MTBF was rated at about 50K cycles on amateur cameras and 100-150K cycles on serious pro cameras. Of course MTBF (mean time before failure) like most statistics has no meaning when applied to an individual camera. Nor does it say anything about when the shutter will wear out as that is controlled a lot by how often the shutter is serviced. I would guess a properly maintained shutter would have a life (worn beyond repair) of better than one million cycles, and a lot less if not serviced at all. I wouldn't be surprised if the recent reductions in top shutter speed and flash sync speed (1/4000th and 1/150th on the ist-D) aren't related to making the shutter's moving parts beefier (heavier and therefore slower) in anticipation of people taking a lot more shots with digital. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
RE: *-ist D and NiMH battery life
Id hate to think what it costs to have the shutter repaired/replaced in a DSLR but it does bring up a good point, exposures on a DSLR are not really free. although the cost per exposure is very very low, I wouldn't want the premature downtime needed to have the camera serviced due to a worn out shutter due to excessive wasted over shooting. Not only that, the more you over shoot, the more time you waste reviewing and comparing all the exposures later... JCO -Original Message- From: Graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: *-ist D and NiMH battery life I kind of though shutter MTBF was rated at about 50K cycles on amateur cameras and 100-150K cycles on serious pro cameras. Of course MTBF (mean time before failure) like most statistics has no meaning when applied to an individual camera. Nor does it say anything about when the shutter will wear out as that is controlled a lot by how often the shutter is serviced. I would guess a properly maintained shutter would have a life (worn beyond repair) of better than one million cycles, and a lot less if not serviced at all. -- Steve Desjardins wrote: This is an interesting point. I thought these shutters were rated for about 100,000 or so. You could reach that a lot quicker with a DSLR. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/13/2004 1:21:56 AM I am more worried about Camera Life. I have shot 5000 shots in the 47 days, I have owned the *ist D. So, I'm keeping up my 100 shots a day rate in average. I sometimes wonder how long the camera will keep up :-) Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 9. oktober 2004 22:06 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: *-ist D and NiMH battery life Wow. That might get me to break my lithium habit. Very good. Thanks to you and Mark. paul On Oct 9, 2004, at 3:55 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Over a 10 day shooting period in Alaska last month, I shot over 1400 images with the *ist D and only changed the 4 NiMH 2000ma Ray o Vac (15 minute charge time) batteries once @ around 1000 images. I never used the flash but I did used the LCD at the end of the day to edit the obvious out. Some auto focus but mostly manual focus. Temperatures ranged from a low in the 20's (F) to no higher than low 60's (F). I am very happy with that battery performance - Thank you Mark Cassino! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Neil Shipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: *-ist D and NiMH battery life I picked up a *ist D last weekend, and am unsure of the battery life for NiMH batteries. The store I bought it from sold me a 4 pack of Quantaray 2300mAh NiMH batteries and according to the user manual for the camera I'm supposed to get a few hundred shots out of them. I don't have the extra battery pack option, and I'm lucky if I get 30 shots. The Panasonic lithium CR-V3 batteries that came with it are still ok. So, I'm wondering if I either have defective batteries, a defective charger (I have a sony NiMH/NiCd charger that does up to 4 AA or 2 AAA batteries at a time, and during a charge the batteries get quite warm but not hot), if I'm reading the manual incorrectly or if the user manual is just wrong. When the batteries start to die, the battery indicator still shows a full charge, but the camera sounds like it raises and lowers the mirror a couple times like it was taking two shots at the same time, and then locks solid. None of the buttons work, and it won't turn off. I have to take the batteries out to reset the camera. Neil. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
RE: *-ist D and NiMH battery life
I know. I'll try to learn to shoot a little less. The reason I'm shooting this much is, that I use my camera at work some times. Image editing after the shooting takes too much of of my time... Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: cbwaters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 13. oktober 2004 22:24 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: *-ist D and NiMH battery life DERN Jens, That's a hellofa lot o shootin... CW - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:21 AM Subject: RE: *-ist D and NiMH battery life I am more worried about Camera Life. I have shot 5000 shots in the 47 days, I have owned the *ist D. So, I'm keeping up my 100 shots a day rate in average. I sometimes wonder how long the camera will keep up :-) Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 9. oktober 2004 22:06 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: *-ist D and NiMH battery life Wow. That might get me to break my lithium habit. Very good. Thanks to you and Mark. paul On Oct 9, 2004, at 3:55 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Over a 10 day shooting period in Alaska last month, I shot over 1400 images with the *ist D and only changed the 4 NiMH 2000ma Ray o Vac (15 minute charge time) batteries once @ around 1000 images. I never used the flash but I did used the LCD at the end of the day to edit the obvious out. Some auto focus but mostly manual focus. Temperatures ranged from a low in the 20's (F) to no higher than low 60's (F). I am very happy with that battery performance - Thank you Mark Cassino! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Neil Shipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: *-ist D and NiMH battery life I picked up a *ist D last weekend, and am unsure of the battery life for NiMH batteries. The store I bought it from sold me a 4 pack of Quantaray 2300mAh NiMH batteries and according to the user manual for the camera I'm supposed to get a few hundred shots out of them. I don't have the extra battery pack option, and I'm lucky if I get 30 shots. The Panasonic lithium CR-V3 batteries that came with it are still ok. So, I'm wondering if I either have defective batteries, a defective charger (I have a sony NiMH/NiCd charger that does up to 4 AA or 2 AAA batteries at a time, and during a charge the batteries get quite warm but not hot), if I'm reading the manual incorrectly or if the user manual is just wrong. When the batteries start to die, the battery indicator still shows a full charge, but the camera sounds like it raises and lowers the mirror a couple times like it was taking two shots at the same time, and then locks solid. None of the buttons work, and it won't turn off. I have to take the batteries out to reset the camera. Neil. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 10/6/2004
Re: RE: *-ist D and NiMH battery life
a worn out shutter on a 3 year old *istD will not be worth replacing. you would replace the entire camera, even if it is just with another *istD. however, i doubt that the camera will still be in production. Herb... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:49 AM Subject: Re: RE: *-ist D and NiMH battery life Looks like you will be buying a new one, or at least getting it serviced [unlikely, because that should read: completely overhauled, with a new shutter assembly], within three years if the 100,000 shots estimate is correct.
Re: *-ist D and NiMH battery life
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: *-ist D and NiMH battery life . Not only that, the more you over shoot, the more time you waste reviewing and comparing all the exposures later... Good point. More pictures generally means just that. It does't necessarily mean better pictures. William Robb
Re: *-ist D and NiMH battery life
DERN Jens, That's a hellofa lot o shootin... CW - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:21 AM Subject: RE: *-ist D and NiMH battery life I am more worried about Camera Life. I have shot 5000 shots in the 47 days, I have owned the *ist D. So, I'm keeping up my 100 shots a day rate in average. I sometimes wonder how long the camera will keep up :-) Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 9. oktober 2004 22:06 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: *-ist D and NiMH battery life Wow. That might get me to break my lithium habit. Very good. Thanks to you and Mark. paul On Oct 9, 2004, at 3:55 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Over a 10 day shooting period in Alaska last month, I shot over 1400 images with the *ist D and only changed the 4 NiMH 2000ma Ray o Vac (15 minute charge time) batteries once @ around 1000 images. I never used the flash but I did used the LCD at the end of the day to edit the obvious out. Some auto focus but mostly manual focus. Temperatures ranged from a low in the 20's (F) to no higher than low 60's (F). I am very happy with that battery performance - Thank you Mark Cassino! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Neil Shipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: *-ist D and NiMH battery life I picked up a *ist D last weekend, and am unsure of the battery life for NiMH batteries. The store I bought it from sold me a 4 pack of Quantaray 2300mAh NiMH batteries and according to the user manual for the camera I'm supposed to get a few hundred shots out of them. I don't have the extra battery pack option, and I'm lucky if I get 30 shots. The Panasonic lithium CR-V3 batteries that came with it are still ok. So, I'm wondering if I either have defective batteries, a defective charger (I have a sony NiMH/NiCd charger that does up to 4 AA or 2 AAA batteries at a time, and during a charge the batteries get quite warm but not hot), if I'm reading the manual incorrectly or if the user manual is just wrong. When the batteries start to die, the battery indicator still shows a full charge, but the camera sounds like it raises and lowers the mirror a couple times like it was taking two shots at the same time, and then locks solid. None of the buttons work, and it won't turn off. I have to take the batteries out to reset the camera. Neil. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 10/6/2004
RE: *-ist D and NiMH battery life
I am more worried about Camera Life. I have shot 5000 shots in the 47 days, I have owned the *ist D. So, I'm keeping up my 100 shots a day rate in average. I sometimes wonder how long the camera will keep up :-) Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 9. oktober 2004 22:06 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: Re: *-ist D and NiMH battery life Wow. That might get me to break my lithium habit. Very good. Thanks to you and Mark. paul On Oct 9, 2004, at 3:55 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote: Over a 10 day shooting period in Alaska last month, I shot over 1400 images with the *ist D and only changed the 4 NiMH 2000ma Ray o Vac (15 minute charge time) batteries once @ around 1000 images. I never used the flash but I did used the LCD at the end of the day to edit the obvious out. Some auto focus but mostly manual focus. Temperatures ranged from a low in the 20's (F) to no higher than low 60's (F). I am very happy with that battery performance - Thank you Mark Cassino! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Neil Shipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: *-ist D and NiMH battery life I picked up a *ist D last weekend, and am unsure of the battery life for NiMH batteries. The store I bought it from sold me a 4 pack of Quantaray 2300mAh NiMH batteries and according to the user manual for the camera I'm supposed to get a few hundred shots out of them. I don't have the extra battery pack option, and I'm lucky if I get 30 shots. The Panasonic lithium CR-V3 batteries that came with it are still ok. So, I'm wondering if I either have defective batteries, a defective charger (I have a sony NiMH/NiCd charger that does up to 4 AA or 2 AAA batteries at a time, and during a charge the batteries get quite warm but not hot), if I'm reading the manual incorrectly or if the user manual is just wrong. When the batteries start to die, the battery indicator still shows a full charge, but the camera sounds like it raises and lowers the mirror a couple times like it was taking two shots at the same time, and then locks solid. None of the buttons work, and it won't turn off. I have to take the batteries out to reset the camera. Neil.
