Re: BW film/developer combinations

2003-01-07 Thread Andre Langevin
- Original Message -
From: Dr E D F Williams
Subject: Re: BW film/developer combinations



 I know it can be pushed. But I don't want to start all that

over again. It's

 been six months at least since we discussed that topic.


You must have ignored my evidence to the contrary.

William Robb


I missed the discussion.  Is a resume possible?

Andre
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RE: BW film/developer combinations

2003-01-07 Thread tom
 -Original Message-
 From: Andre Langevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Dr E D F Williams
 Subject: Re: BW film/developer combinations
 
 
   I know it can be pushed. But I don't want to start all that
 over again. It's
   been six months at least since we discussed that topic.
 
 You must have ignored my evidence to the contrary.
 
 William Robb
 
 I missed the discussion.  Is a resume possible?

No.

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RE: BW film/developer combinations

2003-01-07 Thread Andre Langevin
  - Original Message -

 From: Dr E D F Williams
 Subject: Re: BW film/developer combinations
 
 
   I know it can be pushed. But I don't want to start all that
 over again. It's
   been six months at least since we discussed that topic.
 
 You must have ignored my evidence to the contrary.
 
 William Robb

 I missed the discussion.  Is a resume possible?


No.

tv


I see...  Let's not move that dust again then...

Andre
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Re: BW film/developer combinations

2003-01-07 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Andre Langevin 
Subject: Re: BW film/developer combinations


 I missed the discussion.  Is a resume possible?

Like Tom says, discussion is pointless.
I will post some evidence in the near future.

William Robb




Re: BW film/developer combinations

2003-01-07 Thread Peter Alling
We've had this argument before on the list, take it up with Kodak they
seem to think it can be.  Me, I'm neutral.

At 10:33 AM 1/6/2003 -0500, you wrote:

Butch

C-41 processing is similar to processing photo paper in that it can NOT be
pulled or pushed.

Bill

- Original Message -
From: Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax discussion group [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: BW film/developer combinations



 « Mike Johnston » Mike Johnston wrote :

  Without a doubt, the chromogenic films. Ilford XP-2 is the one I've used
  mostly. You can shoot portraits at 200, 100, or even 50

 The problem is that most of us don't do C41 at home. Should we ask the lab
 for a pull-process when rated at iso 50 or should the standard development
 be fine with 3 stops overexposure ?

 The latitude of the film allows you to go up to 3 stops overexposed
without
 compensating on neg development.  This works best with digital minilabs
that
 have a separate BW print function (Fuji Frontier etc.) I have shot little
 of it so I don't know how well a 3 stop overexposed neg would print on
 conventional BW paper. It doesn't do badly on a digital minilab. On a
non-
 digital minilab the color shifts making it hard to get close to a neutral
 BW. A properly exposed neg looks good on conventional BW BTW.

 BUTCH

 Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself
 Hermann Hesse (Demian)





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Re: BW film/developer combinations

2003-01-06 Thread Bill Owens
Butch

C-41 processing is similar to processing photo paper in that it can NOT be
pulled or pushed.

Bill

- Original Message -
From: Butch Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pentax discussion group [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: BW film/developer combinations



 « Mike Johnston » Mike Johnston wrote :

  Without a doubt, the chromogenic films. Ilford XP-2 is the one I've used
  mostly. You can shoot portraits at 200, 100, or even 50

 The problem is that most of us don't do C41 at home. Should we ask the lab
 for a pull-process when rated at iso 50 or should the standard development
 be fine with 3 stops overexposure ?

 The latitude of the film allows you to go up to 3 stops overexposed
without
 compensating on neg development.  This works best with digital minilabs
that
 have a separate BW print function (Fuji Frontier etc.) I have shot little
 of it so I don't know how well a 3 stop overexposed neg would print on
 conventional BW paper. It doesn't do badly on a digital minilab. On a
non-
 digital minilab the color shifts making it hard to get close to a neutral
 BW. A properly exposed neg looks good on conventional BW BTW.

 BUTCH

 Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself
 Hermann Hesse (Demian)








Re: BW film/developer combinations

2003-01-06 Thread T Rittenhouse
A mini-lab can not push or pull it. A pro-lab with dip and dunk can, and you
can, of course, do it at home.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: Andre Langevin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: BW film/developer combinations


 I'm surprised to hear that as I know for sure that C-41, like E-6,
 can be played with at home or in a big commercial processor.  Maybe
 you wanted to say  should not (for better results)?

 Andre

 C-41 processing is similar to processing photo paper in that it can NOT
be
pulled or pushed.
 
Bill


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RE: BW film/developer combinations

2003-01-06 Thread tom
 -Original Message-
 From: T Rittenhouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 
 A mini-lab can not push or pull it. A pro-lab with dip and 
 dunk can, and you
 can, of course, do it at home.

Some of the newer mini-lab machines allow a push.

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Re: BW film/developer combinations

2003-01-06 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: Dr E D F Williams
Subject: Re: BW film/developer combinations


 I know it can be pushed. But I don't want to start all that
over again. It's
 been six months at least since we discussed that topic.

You must have ignored my evidence to the contrary.

William Robb




BW film/developer combinations...

2003-01-03 Thread Timothy Sherburne
Hi all...

Here's a quick poll for all you BW junkies out there: What's your favorite
film and developer combination for reduced or non-existent grain? I'm
thinking of 8x10 to 11x14 enlargements of portraits.

Thanks,

Tim 




Re: BW film/developer combinations...

2003-01-03 Thread Evan Hanson
I processed APX 100 in D-76 last night and the negatives look great very
smooth.  I making some prints this weekend I'll let you know how they come
out on Monday.

Evan


From: Timothy Sherburne
Subject: BW film/developer combinations...


 Hi all...

 Here's a quick poll for all you BW junkies out there: What's your
favorite
 film and developer combination for reduced or non-existent grain? I'm
 thinking of 8x10 to 11x14 enlargements of portraits.

 Thanks,

 Tim






Re: BW film/developer combinations...

2003-01-03 Thread Mark D.
--- Timothy Sherburne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all...
 
 Here's a quick poll for all you BW junkies out
 there: What's your favorite
 film and developer combination for reduced or
 non-existent grain? I'm
 thinking of 8x10 to 11x14 enlargements of portraits.

Delta 100 in PMK Pyro. Fuji Acros 100 in D-76 1:1
looks pretty darn good as well.

Mark

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Re: BW film/developer combinations...

2003-01-03 Thread Thibault GROUAS
« Mike Johnston » Mike Johnston wrote :

 Without a doubt, the chromogenic films. Ilford XP-2 is the one I've used
 mostly. You can shoot portraits at 200, 100, or even 50

The problem is that most of us don't do C41 at home. Should we ask the lab
for a pull-process when rated at iso 50 or should the standard development
be fine with 3 stops overexposure ?

Thibault Grouas.




Re: BW film/developer combinations...

2003-01-03 Thread Mike Johnston
 The problem is that most of us don't do C41 at home. Should we ask the lab
 for a pull-process when rated at iso 50 or should the standard development
 be fine with 3 stops overexposure ?


Thibault,
I've never done anything but standard development. I'll send you a copy of
that scan; it was made with XP-2 at E.I. 50 developed normally and printed
on Ilford MG FB paper.

--Mike