Re: Calculating Hobby Cost (Re: Bracketing on the K5)

2013-07-09 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 7/7/13, Gerrit Visser, discombobulated, unleashed:

Hobbies are an investment in your happiness.

Mark!

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Re: Calculating Hobby Cost (Re: Bracketing on the K5)

2013-07-09 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 7/7/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

 Hobbies are an investment in your happiness.

Mark!

Damn

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Re: Calculating Hobby Cost (Re: Bracketing on the K5)

2013-07-09 Thread Bruce Walker
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 On 7/7/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

 Hobbies are an investment in your happiness.

Mark!

 Damn

Mark! :-)

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RE: Calculating Hobby Cost (Re: Bracketing on the K5)

2013-07-07 Thread Gerrit Visser
I would summarize it this way after owning an old Ferrari for 10 years and
before that several sailboats. Hobbies are hobbies, they make no financial
sense but emotionally the expenses bring priceless rewards. 
Hobbies are an investment in your happiness.

gerrit

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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 12:01 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Calculating Hobby Cost (Re: Bracketing on the K5)

Aahz Sir, my son went thru the same thought process, namely:
a) Prefer a compact camera with some capability of a DSLR
b) Viewfinder not essential- comfortable with LCD.
c) DSLR size like my K-5 a big NO.
d) Money not a very big issue - can spend up to CAD 650
e) Decent video capability as an add on.
He borrowed a friends Nikon D5200, but returned it the same day.
He than got the Sony Nex-5R CAD 570 with the 18-55 lens and the Nex-3N CAD
400 with the 16-50 Lens.
After extensive tests and general feel of the cameras, he kept the Nex-3N.
These Nex's have an APS-C sensor. Pretty impressive too as per DxO mark.
And Aahz I wouldn't bother too much about Hobby Cost, as just holding a
camera gives me immense pleasure and happiness. Do ring in this stress
busting calculation into the costing. And I don't even make money with my
hobby.
I too waited and waited for the right technology. Bought a Minolta bridge
digital camera in 2003, till my daughter gave me a K20D in 2009. She said,
hey Papa, technology will keep overtaking you, get it now.
So why wait for another 5 or 10 years - a $ now may be 10 times in your
technology future.
Just my 2-cents, from a wise spender, a master mechanic and all things
photographic buzz; ah! and I forget, a retired old fart of an Advisor in the
worlds biggest conglomerate.
Doesn't sound like a free sermon I hope?
Regards.
Bipin - from that far away enchanting land.

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Re: Calculating Hobby Cost (Re: Bracketing on the K5)

2013-07-07 Thread Alan C

Well said. An inestimable ROI.

Alan C

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From: Gerrit Visser

Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 1:02 PM
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List'
Subject: RE: Calculating Hobby Cost (Re: Bracketing on the K5)

I would summarize it this way after owning an old Ferrari for 10 years and
before that several sailboats. Hobbies are hobbies, they make no financial
sense but emotionally the expenses bring priceless rewards.
Hobbies are an investment in your happiness.

gerrit

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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 12:01 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Calculating Hobby Cost (Re: Bracketing on the K5)

Aahz Sir, my son went thru the same thought process, namely:
a) Prefer a compact camera with some capability of a DSLR
b) Viewfinder not essential- comfortable with LCD.
c) DSLR size like my K-5 a big NO.
d) Money not a very big issue - can spend up to CAD 650
e) Decent video capability as an add on.
He borrowed a friends Nikon D5200, but returned it the same day.
He than got the Sony Nex-5R CAD 570 with the 18-55 lens and the Nex-3N CAD
400 with the 16-50 Lens.
After extensive tests and general feel of the cameras, he kept the Nex-3N.
These Nex's have an APS-C sensor. Pretty impressive too as per DxO mark.
And Aahz I wouldn't bother too much about Hobby Cost, as just holding a
camera gives me immense pleasure and happiness. Do ring in this stress
busting calculation into the costing. And I don't even make money with my
hobby.
I too waited and waited for the right technology. Bought a Minolta bridge
digital camera in 2003, till my daughter gave me a K20D in 2009. She said,
hey Papa, technology will keep overtaking you, get it now.
So why wait for another 5 or 10 years - a $ now may be 10 times in your
technology future.
Just my 2-cents, from a wise spender, a master mechanic and all things
photographic buzz; ah! and I forget, a retired old fart of an Advisor in the
worlds biggest conglomerate.
Doesn't sound like a free sermon I hope?
Regards.
Bipin - from that far away enchanting land.

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Re: Calculating Hobby Cost (Re: Bracketing on the K5)

2013-07-07 Thread Bruce Walker
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hobbies are an investment in your happiness.

Mark!

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Re: Calculating Hobby Cost (Re: Bracketing on the K5)

2013-07-07 Thread DagT
So true, and after 15 years my wide suddenly concluded that photography was 
fairly inexpensive compared to a lot of other things. Like cars, cottages in 
the mountains, boats, horses, sport (like cycling which she is interested in).

After revisiting another old interest, stereo equipment, because my 
loudspeakers had to be replaced I have to agree. People are buying loudspeakers 
for the price of a 645d and it seams perfectly normal. You are never even able 
to be any good at it, as you can be with a camera or an instrument.

DagT

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Den 7. juli 2013 kl. 13:02 skrev Gerrit Visser gerrit...@gmail.com:

 I would summarize it this way after owning an old Ferrari for 10 years and
 before that several sailboats. Hobbies are hobbies, they make no financial
 sense but emotionally the expenses bring priceless rewards. 
 Hobbies are an investment in your happiness.
 
 gerrit
 
 -Original Message-
 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta
 Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 12:01 AM
 To: pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Calculating Hobby Cost (Re: Bracketing on the K5)
 
 Aahz Sir, my son went thru the same thought process, namely:
 a) Prefer a compact camera with some capability of a DSLR
 b) Viewfinder not essential- comfortable with LCD.
 c) DSLR size like my K-5 a big NO.
 d) Money not a very big issue - can spend up to CAD 650
 e) Decent video capability as an add on.
 He borrowed a friends Nikon D5200, but returned it the same day.
 He than got the Sony Nex-5R CAD 570 with the 18-55 lens and the Nex-3N CAD
 400 with the 16-50 Lens.
 After extensive tests and general feel of the cameras, he kept the Nex-3N.
 These Nex's have an APS-C sensor. Pretty impressive too as per DxO mark.
 And Aahz I wouldn't bother too much about Hobby Cost, as just holding a
 camera gives me immense pleasure and happiness. Do ring in this stress
 busting calculation into the costing. And I don't even make money with my
 hobby.
 I too waited and waited for the right technology. Bought a Minolta bridge
 digital camera in 2003, till my daughter gave me a K20D in 2009. She said,
 hey Papa, technology will keep overtaking you, get it now.
 So why wait for another 5 or 10 years - a $ now may be 10 times in your
 technology future.
 Just my 2-cents, from a wise spender, a master mechanic and all things
 photographic buzz; ah! and I forget, a retired old fart of an Advisor in the
 worlds biggest conglomerate.
 Doesn't sound like a free sermon I hope?
 Regards.
 Bipin - from that far away enchanting land.
 
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Re: Calculating Hobby Cost (Re: Bracketing on the K5)

2013-07-07 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Jul 07, 2013, Bipin Gupta wrote:

 And Aahz I wouldn't bother too much about Hobby Cost, as just holding
 a camera gives me immense pleasure and happiness. Do ring in this
 stress busting calculation into the costing. And I don't even make money
 with my hobby.

Holding cameras gives me pleasure; carrying them around, not so much.
And that's really the whole point: I'm not sure if I'm willing to carry
a big camera and lenses around.  Let's try another variation of my
calculation:

If I got the $3200 base kit and restrain my LBA, used the kit for
twelve hours the first year and four hours each of the following two
years, that's $3200/20 or $160/hour.  That's a lot of money I could have
used for something else.  I certainly don't have enough money to just
throw it around.

I'm also suspicious that buying into a system would cause me to indulge
my LBA, which would vastly increase the number of hours required to pay
off the purchase.  (Bigma, 35mm/2.6 macro, DA* 16-50, 50/1.4...)  One
advantage of m4/3 is that there's actually less scope for indulging LBA.
;-)

 I too waited and waited for the right technology. Bought a Minolta bridge
 digital camera in 2003, till my daughter gave me a K20D in 2009. She said,
 hey Papa, technology will keep overtaking you, get it now.
 So why wait for another 5 or 10 years - a $ now may be 10 times in your
 technology future.

I'm not waiting for the right technology, it's already here (more or
less).  I'm waiting to figure out if I want to spend the money; more
precisely, I'm trying to decide whether spending the money would be
worthwhile.

 Just my 2-cents, from a wise spender, a master mechanic and all things
 photographic buzz; ah! and I forget, a retired old fart of an Advisor
 in the worlds biggest conglomerate.  Doesn't sound like a free sermon
 I hope?

It does, but I don't mind; I like cross-checking my thinking as long as
other people are reasonably respectful of my opinions.
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Calculating Hobby Cost (Re: Bracketing on the K5)

2013-07-06 Thread Bipin Gupta
Aahz Sir, my son went thru the same thought process, namely:
a) Prefer a compact camera with some capability of a DSLR
b) Viewfinder not essential- comfortable with LCD.
c) DSLR size like my K-5 a big NO.
d) Money not a very big issue - can spend up to CAD 650
e) Decent video capability as an add on.
He borrowed a friends Nikon D5200, but returned it the same day.
He than got the Sony Nex-5R CAD 570 with the 18-55 lens and the
Nex-3N CAD 400 with the 16-50 Lens.
After extensive tests and general feel of the cameras, he kept the
Nex-3N.
These Nex's have an APS-C sensor. Pretty impressive too as per
DxO mark.
And Aahz I wouldn't bother too much about Hobby Cost, as just holding
a camera gives me immense pleasure and happiness. Do ring in this
stress busting calculation into the costing. And I don't even make money
with my hobby.
I too waited and waited for the right technology. Bought a Minolta bridge
digital camera in 2003, till my daughter gave me a K20D in 2009. She said,
hey Papa, technology will keep overtaking you, get it now.
So why wait for another 5 or 10 years - a $ now may be 10 times in your
technology future.
Just my 2-cents, from a wise spender, a master mechanic and all things
photographic buzz; ah! and I forget, a retired old fart of an Advisor in the
worlds biggest conglomerate.
Doesn't sound like a free sermon I hope?
Regards.
Bipin - from that far away enchanting land.

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