Re: Controversy around McCurry
Thanks for sharing this. There's some excellent photoshop work in those images - he must have a really good computer. Mark On 4/5/2017 9:17 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: This was happening last year, but I didn't see it. As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who like myself missed it completely. Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as well as "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry. https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/ (and links therein) Enjoy! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's not rumor. There was another flag up there first. But raising the second flag was not "staged". Lieutenant Colonel Chandler Johnson, commander of the 2nd Battalion, 28th Marine Regiment, 5th Marine Division ordered one of his company commanders to seize the summit & raise the flag. That flag was photographed by Staff Sgt. Louis R. Lowery for Leatherneck magazine Secretary of the Navy Forrestal witnessed that flag being raised from the beach on Iwo Jima (where he was accompanying the Marine Corps Task Force 56 Commander) & asked to have the flag for a souvenir. LTC Johnson ordered his company commander to send a platoon to the summit to secure the first flag for the battalion and to raise a replacement flag. The *FIRST* flag belonged to the Battalion. Forrestal could take the second flag for a souvenir if he wanted one. Associated Press Photographer Joe Rosenthal arrived at the summit of Mt. Suribachi just as the Marines were preparing to raise that second flag. He photographed that event without knowing it was the second flag. He sent his film to Guam to be developed and transmitted it back to the U.S. as a wire photo. AP distributed the photo in the U.S. without knowing it was a replacement flag being raised. The "staged" controversy is because Rosenthal took a group photo of the Marines after they raised the flag & when asked if he had "posed the photo" answered yes thinking he was being asked about the subsequent group photo. The flag raising was not posed. Both flags are at the National Museum of the Marine Corps. On 4/6/2017 15:15, Gonz wrote: Or the supposed staging of the flag being planted at Iwo Jima scene. It was rumored to have been a smaller flag at first then the photographer staged it with a bigger flag and other changes. On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Just viewed a Netflix series of great producer/director staging of scenes in war II movies shot at government request. As John states nothing new here. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Philip Northeast" Subject: Re: Controversy around McCurry Are McCurry's efforts as bad as this one? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/essays/vanRiper/030409.htm Philip Northeast www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au On 6/4/17 1:26 pm, John Sessoms wrote: Doesn't seem to me any of the images he's accused of manipulating were represented as "photojournalism". His photos that were represented as "photojournalism" were not manipulated. The Afghan girl's photo was not manipulated when originally published in National Geographic. That he might want to clean it up subsequently when selling it as a poster doesn't bother me. One could reasonably argue that all travel portraits, including the Afghan girl are "staged". I think the kind of "staging" he's being accused of has been common practice from the invention of photography. It really wasn't an issue back in film days. Seems to me it only became an issue when digital made fakery possible for the average snap-shooter. The porter is actually standing there with the suitcases on his head. Whether they were full or empty at the time is to me beside the point. Much ado about nothing ... or at least about very little. On 4/5/2017 21:17, Igor PDML-StR wrote: This was happening last year, but I didn't see it. As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who like myself missed it completely. Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as well as "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry. https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/ (and links therein) Enjoy! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Controversy around McCurry
Or the supposed staging of the flag being planted at Iwo Jima scene. It was rumored to have been a smaller flag at first then the photographer staged it with a bigger flag and other changes. On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > Just viewed a Netflix series of great producer/director staging of scenes in > war II movies shot at government request. > As John states nothing new here. > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > - Original Message - From: "Philip Northeast" > > Subject: Re: Controversy around McCurry > > > >> Are McCurry's efforts as bad as this one? >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/essays/vanRiper/030409.htm >> >> Philip Northeast >> >> www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au >> >> On 6/4/17 1:26 pm, John Sessoms wrote: >>> >>> Doesn't seem to me any of the images he's accused of manipulating were >>> represented as "photojournalism". His photos that were represented as >>> "photojournalism" were not manipulated. >>> >>> The Afghan girl's photo was not manipulated when originally published in >>> National Geographic. That he might want to clean it up subsequently when >>> selling it as a poster doesn't bother me. >>> >>> One could reasonably argue that all travel portraits, including the >>> Afghan girl are "staged". >>> >>> I think the kind of "staging" he's being accused of has been common >>> practice from the invention of photography. It really wasn't an issue >>> back in film days. Seems to me it only became an issue when digital made >>> fakery possible for the average snap-shooter. The porter is actually >>> standing there with the suitcases on his head. Whether they were full or >>> empty at the time is to me beside the point. >>> >>> Much ado about nothing ... or at least about very little. >>> >>> On 4/5/2017 21:17, Igor PDML-StR wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This was happening last year, but I didn't see it. >>>> As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who like >>>> myself missed it completely. >>>> Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as well >>>> as "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry. >>>> >>>> https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/ >>>> >>>> >>>> (and links therein) >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> >>>> Igor > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Controversy around McCurry
Just viewed a Netflix series of great producer/director staging of scenes in war II movies shot at government request. As John states nothing new here. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Philip Northeast" Subject: Re: Controversy around McCurry Are McCurry's efforts as bad as this one? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/essays/vanRiper/030409.htm Philip Northeast www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au On 6/4/17 1:26 pm, John Sessoms wrote: Doesn't seem to me any of the images he's accused of manipulating were represented as "photojournalism". His photos that were represented as "photojournalism" were not manipulated. The Afghan girl's photo was not manipulated when originally published in National Geographic. That he might want to clean it up subsequently when selling it as a poster doesn't bother me. One could reasonably argue that all travel portraits, including the Afghan girl are "staged". I think the kind of "staging" he's being accused of has been common practice from the invention of photography. It really wasn't an issue back in film days. Seems to me it only became an issue when digital made fakery possible for the average snap-shooter. The porter is actually standing there with the suitcases on his head. Whether they were full or empty at the time is to me beside the point. Much ado about nothing ... or at least about very little. On 4/5/2017 21:17, Igor PDML-StR wrote: This was happening last year, but I didn't see it. As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who like myself missed it completely. Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as well as "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry. https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/ (and links therein) Enjoy! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And that incident starts looking much more pale when outshadowed by what the chief politicians shamelessly do these days with facts on camera and in writing, and without any remorse when caught with obvious contradictions. That trend blurs the line of what's acceptable in the society in general, and what is not. Sad... Mark Roberts Thu, 06 Apr 2017 05:10:00 -0700 wrote: Philip Northeast wrote: Are McCurry's efforts as bad as this one? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/essays/vanRiper/030409.htm Some are worse, believe it or not. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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$1.99 good price!Burt I wouldnt part with mine even for $70... On Amazon and on ebay for books or anything else there is always someone who is asking rediculously high prices hoping some sucker will search for a title or specific object and the high priced item will come up first... someoen on ebay was asking over $400 I think it was for my out of print book... I wrote him directly to point out what must have been a typo.. a couple of weeks went by and nothing changed... cant remember if I wrote him again or reported him to Amazon. At least on ebay "best offer" is possible - "what the market will bear" is one thing but the extremes are puzzling at the least. What hurts most online now is that large companies with deep pockets and large inventories can offer just about anything for a penny or start a listing on ebay for 99 cents or less on something that is a steal at $50 normally and can bear the loss if someone manages the timing to get it for only 99 cents or less. Right now ebay is quite slow, especially for things I sell , but I'm not alone - everytime they offer is 500 free listings for a limited period of time you know everyone is hurting. End of rant - back to photography ann On 4/6/2017 5:32 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: That book is going for a range of prices from $1.99 to over 70 bucks on Amazon. Majority in Good condition. Similar at Abe Books. How in the world do they price these things? I have another book from that same series and vintage, hardcover. Got it for $8 from the US. Good Erwitt info, Ann. Thanks! On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:08 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: Bruce... Yup, Erwitt set up the shot with the kid on the bicycle... (The original is in color, by the way) _This was an advertising gig_ Never any claim made anywhere that it was candid... He was hired by Doyle Dand Bernbach to shoot photos for the French Tourist Office. See page 60-61 , Elliott ErwItt THE PRIVATE EXPERIENCE... personal insights of a profesional photographer.©1974 Cromwell ISBN 0-690-00624-1 It's an interesting read. hmmm - wonder how much my first printing of this is worth now. I have the soft cover. ann On 4/5/2017 9:45 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: For instance, there's lots of love for Elliot Erwitt here. I only recently learned that he often staged his shots. The prime example given was the French boy on a bicycle with a couple of baguettes, which he apparently setup with the help of a couple of friends. http://www.hlphotogallery.com/sites/default/files/HLphoto_Elliott_Erwitt_Provence_France_Boy_Bicycle%26Baguette.jpg Does this make him any less of a photographer or the image any less iconic? Does Steve McCurry's set up shots make him less of a photographer or the images any less iconic? We're all taught how to make our images stand out and get noticed, and both these figures were doing just that. Unfortunately for him, Steve broke some rules imposed by NatGeo. I still love his work. On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: This was happening last year, but I didn't see it. As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who like myself missed it completely. Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as well as "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry. https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/ (and links therein) Enjoy! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Bill wrote: > On 4/6/2017 7:58 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:14 PM, William Robb >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> McCurry passes himself off as a photojournalist, Erwitt doesn't. >> >> >> Erwitt did indeed "pass himself off" as a photojournalist, and still >> does. That's according to Magnum Photos for who he was the president >> for three years. "To this day he is for hire and continues to work >> for a variety of journalistic and commercial outfits." >> >> Neither photographer (McCurry, Erwitt) wore two photographer hats at >> the same time. I think that people are judging based on random >> context-less photos which, when shown together, give the impression of >> being created with a similar intent, but which clearly aren't. >> Erwitt's advertising photos cannot be held to the same standards of >> veracity as his PJ photos. >> >> Same goes for McCurry who often wears a Personal Work hat. >> > > There is still a definite difference between personal work, work for hire by > an ad agency, and work for hire by a hard news agency. > The Erwitt image of the boy with the baguettes was an advertising image, I > suppose one could say the same thing about the McCurry images that seem to > have landed him in hot water, after all, wars need positive advertising as > well, or else who would wage them? > But we have higher expectations than that. > Or perhaps we don't. True. Speaking for my own cynical self, I don't expect anything but propaganda from all the parties in a war. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/6/2017 7:58 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:14 PM, William Robb wrote: McCurry passes himself off as a photojournalist, Erwitt doesn't. Erwitt did indeed "pass himself off" as a photojournalist, and still does. That's according to Magnum Photos for who he was the president for three years. "To this day he is for hire and continues to work for a variety of journalistic and commercial outfits." Neither photographer (McCurry, Erwitt) wore two photographer hats at the same time. I think that people are judging based on random context-less photos which, when shown together, give the impression of being created with a similar intent, but which clearly aren't. Erwitt's advertising photos cannot be held to the same standards of veracity as his PJ photos. Same goes for McCurry who often wears a Personal Work hat. There is still a definite difference between personal work, work for hire by an ad agency, and work for hire by a hard news agency. The Erwitt image of the boy with the baguettes was an advertising image, I suppose one could say the same thing about the McCurry images that seem to have landed him in hot water, after all, wars need positive advertising as well, or else who would wage them? But we have higher expectations than that. Or perhaps we don't. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:14 PM, William Robb wrote: > > McCurry passes himself off as a photojournalist, Erwitt doesn't. Erwitt did indeed "pass himself off" as a photojournalist, and still does. That's according to Magnum Photos for who he was the president for three years. "To this day he is for hire and continues to work for a variety of journalistic and commercial outfits." Neither photographer (McCurry, Erwitt) wore two photographer hats at the same time. I think that people are judging based on random context-less photos which, when shown together, give the impression of being created with a similar intent, but which clearly aren't. Erwitt's advertising photos cannot be held to the same standards of veracity as his PJ photos. Same goes for McCurry who often wears a Personal Work hat. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Philip Northeast wrote: >Are McCurry's efforts as bad as this one? > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/essays/vanRiper/030409.htm Some are worse, believe it or not. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That book is going for a range of prices from $1.99 to over 70 bucks on Amazon. Majority in Good condition. Similar at Abe Books. How in the world do they price these things? I have another book from that same series and vintage, hardcover. Got it for $8 from the US. Good Erwitt info, Ann. Thanks! On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:08 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > Bruce... > > Yup, Erwitt set up the shot with the kid on the bicycle... (The original is > in color, by the way) _This was an advertising gig_ > Never any claim made anywhere that it was candid... > > He was hired by Doyle Dand Bernbach to shoot photos for the French Tourist > Office. > > See page 60-61 , Elliott ErwItt THE PRIVATE EXPERIENCE... personal insights > of a profesional photographer.©1974 > Cromwell ISBN 0-690-00624-1 > > It's an interesting read. hmmm - wonder how much my first printing of this > is worth now. I have the soft cover. > > ann > > > > > On 4/5/2017 9:45 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >> >> For instance, there's lots of love for Elliot Erwitt here. I only >> recently learned that he often staged his shots. The prime example >> given was the French boy on a bicycle with a couple of baguettes, >> which he apparently setup with the help of a couple of friends. >> >> >> http://www.hlphotogallery.com/sites/default/files/HLphoto_Elliott_Erwitt_Provence_France_Boy_Bicycle%26Baguette.jpg >> >> Does this make him any less of a photographer or the image any less >> iconic? >> >> Does Steve McCurry's set up shots make him less of a photographer or >> the images any less iconic? >> >> We're all taught how to make our images stand out and get noticed, and >> both these figures were doing just that. Unfortunately for him, Steve >> broke some rules imposed by NatGeo. >> >> I still love his work. >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: >>> >>> >>> This was happening last year, but I didn't see it. >>> As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who like >>> myself missed it completely. >>> Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as well >>> as >>> "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry. >>> >>> https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/ >>> (and links therein) >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> >>> Igor >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Are McCurry's efforts as bad as this one? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/essays/vanRiper/030409.htm Philip Northeast www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au On 6/4/17 1:26 pm, John Sessoms wrote: Doesn't seem to me any of the images he's accused of manipulating were represented as "photojournalism". His photos that were represented as "photojournalism" were not manipulated. The Afghan girl's photo was not manipulated when originally published in National Geographic. That he might want to clean it up subsequently when selling it as a poster doesn't bother me. One could reasonably argue that all travel portraits, including the Afghan girl are "staged". I think the kind of "staging" he's being accused of has been common practice from the invention of photography. It really wasn't an issue back in film days. Seems to me it only became an issue when digital made fakery possible for the average snap-shooter. The porter is actually standing there with the suitcases on his head. Whether they were full or empty at the time is to me beside the point. Much ado about nothing ... or at least about very little. On 4/5/2017 21:17, Igor PDML-StR wrote: This was happening last year, but I didn't see it. As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who like myself missed it completely. Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as well as "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry. https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/ (and links therein) Enjoy! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Doesn't seem to me any of the images he's accused of manipulating were represented as "photojournalism". His photos that were represented as "photojournalism" were not manipulated. The Afghan girl's photo was not manipulated when originally published in National Geographic. That he might want to clean it up subsequently when selling it as a poster doesn't bother me. One could reasonably argue that all travel portraits, including the Afghan girl are "staged". I think the kind of "staging" he's being accused of has been common practice from the invention of photography. It really wasn't an issue back in film days. Seems to me it only became an issue when digital made fakery possible for the average snap-shooter. The porter is actually standing there with the suitcases on his head. Whether they were full or empty at the time is to me beside the point. Much ado about nothing ... or at least about very little. On 4/5/2017 21:17, Igor PDML-StR wrote: This was happening last year, but I didn't see it. As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who like myself missed it completely. Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as well as "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry. https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/ (and links therein) Enjoy! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have no problem with the staging and manipulation. If it makes for a better photo, it's fine. But captions that suggest otherwise are a violation of ethical standards. The picture is great. The writing is fraudulent. Paul via phone > On Apr 5, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > > This was happening last year, but I didn't see it. > As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who like > myself missed it completely. > Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as well as > "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry. > https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/ > (and links therein) > > Enjoy! > > Igor > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:46 PM Bruce Walker wrote: > Yeah, I followed this one and read that article last year. It's very > interesting to me because a lot of folks do and have done what Steve > did, with the main difference being that their work didn't end up in > NatGeo -- a publication with some very strong and specific guidelines > about what they will publish. > > For instance, there's lots of love for Elliot Erwitt here. I only > recently learned that he often staged his shots. The prime example > given was the French boy on a bicycle with a couple of baguettes, > which he apparently setup with the help of a couple of friends. > > > http://www.hlphotogallery.com/sites/default/files/HLphoto_Elliott_Erwitt_Provence_France_Boy_Bicycle%26Baguette.jpg > > Does this make him any less of a photographer or the image any less iconic? > > Does Steve McCurry's set up shots make him less of a photographer or > the images any less iconic? > > We're all taught how to make our images stand out and get noticed, and > both these figures were doing just that. Unfortunately for him, Steve > broke some rules imposed by NatGeo. > > I still love his work. McCurry passes himself off as a photojournalist, Erwitt doesn't. > > > On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > > > > This was happening last year, but I didn't see it. > > As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who like > > myself missed it completely. > > Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as well > as > > "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry. > > > https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/ > > (and links therein) > > > > Enjoy! > > > > Igor > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, at 20:20, Subash Jeyan wrote: > he is quite popular here and this controversy made mild headlines here > in india at the time. fwiw, here is another perspective: > > https://thewire.in/36155/exposing-steve-mccurrys-photoshopped-world/ thank you for that, it's very valuable to get that angle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Controversy around McCurry
Bruce... Yup, Erwitt set up the shot with the kid on the bicycle... (The original is in color, by the way) _This was an advertising gig_ Never any claim made anywhere that it was candid... He was hired by Doyle Dand Bernbach to shoot photos for the French Tourist Office. See page 60-61 , Elliott ErwItt THE PRIVATE EXPERIENCE... personal insights of a profesional photographer.©1974 Cromwell ISBN 0-690-00624-1 It's an interesting read. hmmm - wonder how much my first printing of this is worth now. I have the soft cover. ann On 4/5/2017 9:45 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: For instance, there's lots of love for Elliot Erwitt here. I only recently learned that he often staged his shots. The prime example given was the French boy on a bicycle with a couple of baguettes, which he apparently setup with the help of a couple of friends. http://www.hlphotogallery.com/sites/default/files/HLphoto_Elliott_Erwitt_Provence_France_Boy_Bicycle%26Baguette.jpg Does this make him any less of a photographer or the image any less iconic? Does Steve McCurry's set up shots make him less of a photographer or the images any less iconic? We're all taught how to make our images stand out and get noticed, and both these figures were doing just that. Unfortunately for him, Steve broke some rules imposed by NatGeo. I still love his work. On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: This was happening last year, but I didn't see it. As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who like myself missed it completely. Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as well as "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry. https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/ (and links therein) Enjoy! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Controversy around McCurry
he is quite popular here and this controversy made mild headlines here in india at the time. fwiw, here is another perspective: https://thewire.in/36155/exposing-steve-mccurrys-photoshopped-world/ ~subash On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 21:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Igor PDML-StR wrote: > This was happening last year, but I didn't see it. > As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who > like myself missed it completely. > Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as > well as "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry. > https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/ > (and links therein) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Controversy around McCurry
Yeah, I followed this one and read that article last year. It's very interesting to me because a lot of folks do and have done what Steve did, with the main difference being that their work didn't end up in NatGeo -- a publication with some very strong and specific guidelines about what they will publish. For instance, there's lots of love for Elliot Erwitt here. I only recently learned that he often staged his shots. The prime example given was the French boy on a bicycle with a couple of baguettes, which he apparently setup with the help of a couple of friends. http://www.hlphotogallery.com/sites/default/files/HLphoto_Elliott_Erwitt_Provence_France_Boy_Bicycle%26Baguette.jpg Does this make him any less of a photographer or the image any less iconic? Does Steve McCurry's set up shots make him less of a photographer or the images any less iconic? We're all taught how to make our images stand out and get noticed, and both these figures were doing just that. Unfortunately for him, Steve broke some rules imposed by NatGeo. I still love his work. On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: > > > This was happening last year, but I didn't see it. > As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who like > myself missed it completely. > Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as well as > "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry. > https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/ > (and links therein) > > Enjoy! > > Igor > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Controversy around McCurry
This was happening last year, but I didn't see it. As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who like myself missed it completely. Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as well as "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry. https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/ (and links therein) Enjoy! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
