Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
timber write on Fri, 09 May 2008 09:14:26 -0700 > Hi List! > > Does anyone has experience with the DA*300/f4? > > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=27840420 > Is the bokeh really this ugly with the lens? No, the typical bokeh of this lens is quite fine from other examples I have seen. How about the bokeh in these images? http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=27879242 Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
2008/5/10 Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > That's not ugly bokeh. It's extreme DOF. He probably shot at f11 or > so. F6.7 for the first & f8 for the other 2 according to the EXIF data. In any event it's not a good bokeh test given the relatively close distance between BG & FG elements combined with the apertures selected. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
Don't recall ever having seen that foreground double image ripple like effect. ??? Jack --- On Fri, 5/9/08, Jim King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jim King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH > To: pdml@pdml.net > Date: Friday, May 9, 2008, 4:48 PM > Paul Stenquist wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 15:31:32 -0700 > > > That's not ugly bokeh. It's extreme DOF. He > probably shot at f11 or > > so. Almost everything is in focus, so it's busy. > > But let's start a rumor that it has horrible > bokeh:-). > > LOL! Great idea, Paul - let's drive the price down so > we can more > easily afford it. > I agree that it's not classic ugly bokeh that we are > seeing in those > images, just a > confused and slightly OOF background. > Regards, Jim > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH >I do know what you're seeing here has nothing to do with the > rendering of out of focus elements. Could be due to unsharp mask > application as Robb indicated or perhaps just a bad mix of sharp > edges in an almost-in-focus location. All the DA* 300/4 pics I've > seen have been beautiful, and the rabbit is rendered quite nicely > here. A lens that renders out of focus elements nicely can't fix a > horrible background or a bad choice of f-stop. I recall Alan Chan posted some pictures some time ago taken with his 77mm lens that showed the most awful bokeh. The 77 is renowned for having excellent OOF rendering under most conditions. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 07:57:07PM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: > Paul Stenquist wrote: > > That's not ugly bokeh. It's extreme DOF. He probably shot at f11 or > > so. Almost everything is in focus, so it's busy. > > But let's start a rumor that it has horrible bokeh:-). > > I don't know ... those doubled out of focus edges, especially on the > leaves and the bird's feathers, are killing me, whatever the cause. > > -- > Thanks, > DougF (KG4LMZ) I agree. The out-of-focus foreground in the first image sucks. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
I do know what you're seeing here has nothing to do with the rendering of out of focus elements. Could be due to unsharp mask application as Robb indicated or perhaps just a bad mix of sharp edges in an almost-in-focus location. All the DA* 300/4 pics I've seen have been beautiful, and the rabbit is rendered quite nicely here. A lens that renders out of focus elements nicely can't fix a horrible background or a bad choice of f-stop. Paul On May 9, 2008, at 7:57 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: > Paul Stenquist wrote: >> That's not ugly bokeh. It's extreme DOF. He probably shot at f11 or >> so. Almost everything is in focus, so it's busy. >> But let's start a rumor that it has horrible bokeh:-). > > I don't know ... those doubled out of focus edges, especially on the > leaves and the bird's feathers, are killing me, whatever the cause. > > -- > Thanks, > DougF (KG4LMZ) > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
- Original Message - From: "Doug Franklin" Subject: Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH > I don't know ... those doubled out of focus edges, especially on the > leaves and the bird's feathers, are killing me, whatever the cause. Think "Unsharp Mask" William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
Paul Stenquist wrote: > That's not ugly bokeh. It's extreme DOF. He probably shot at f11 or > so. Almost everything is in focus, so it's busy. > But let's start a rumor that it has horrible bokeh:-). I don't know ... those doubled out of focus edges, especially on the leaves and the bird's feathers, are killing me, whatever the cause. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
Paul Stenquist wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 15:31:32 -0700 > That's not ugly bokeh. It's extreme DOF. He probably shot at f11 or > so. Almost everything is in focus, so it's busy. > But let's start a rumor that it has horrible bokeh:-). LOL! Great idea, Paul - let's drive the price down so we can more easily afford it. I agree that it's not classic ugly bokeh that we are seeing in those images, just a confused and slightly OOF background. Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
That's not ugly bokeh. It's extreme DOF. He probably shot at f11 or so. Almost everything is in focus, so it's busy. But let's start a rumor that it has horrible bokeh:-). Paul On May 9, 2008, at 12:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi List! > > Does anyone has experience with the DA*300/f4? > > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp? > forum=1036&thread=27840420 > Is the bokeh really this ugly with the lens? > > Cheers, > .t > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=27840420 > Is the bokeh really this ugly with the lens? Yikes! That bokeh literally makes my eyes hurt. I'm not sure I want to see the original. My eyes might leap out of their sockets and beat me soundly about the head. :-) I think I'll stick with the F* 300/4.5 for now. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
So far I haven't seen anything like this from _my_ DA* 300 Don't ask me for exsamples, Lightroom has crashed, so I can't get anything out of it. Arg! MaritimTim 2008/5/9 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi List! > > Does anyone has experience with the DA*300/f4? > > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=27840420 > Is the bokeh really this ugly with the lens? > > Cheers, > .t > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- MaritimTim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
Your looking at a worst-case scenario with any lens there, at least for bokeh. -Adam On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 12:13 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi List! > > Does anyone has experience with the DA*300/f4? > > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=27840420 > Is the bokeh really this ugly with the lens? > > Cheers, > .t > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
DA* 300 f4 and BOKEH
Hi List! Does anyone has experience with the DA*300/f4? http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=27840420 Is the bokeh really this ugly with the lens? Cheers, .t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
