Re: Daylight Fill-Flash w/ 280 on Super Program
Hey Mat, How does one know if the 1/4 or the 1/2 is required? I'm a dope when it comes to exposure compensation. I've never used those dials... Cory Waters - Original Message - From: Mat Maessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Daylight Fill-Flash w/ 280 on Super Program The thing to remember, if you use the flash in TTL mode, ALL of the controls that affect flash exposure are on the camera, NOT on the flash itself. So in TTL mode, any compensation you do will be on the camera, not on the flash. You can change the ISO setting, or use the exposure compensation knob, on the camera, to change the flash output. Basic procedure that works for me, with the Metz I've got at least: 1. Turn off flash. 2. Set shutter speed and aperture to be correct for existing light. You need to be in full manual mode on the camera. Remember that you have to be at 1/125 or slower on the shutter speed. 3. Turn on flash. 4. Turn the exposure compensation knob on the camera one or two clicks CLOCKWISE, towards the side with 1/2 and 1/4 listed. One click for one stop under on the flash, two clicks for two stops under. 5. Take picture. 6. Return flash to normal settings. Depending on the lighting, you may have to modify the flash to still fire when there's a lot of light. I believe other people on the list have details on this... -Mat Steve Pearson wrote: Glenn: First of all, I assume you set the camera shutter speed to the same as the sync setting (125x), in manual mode? Or, do I leave shutter set to AUTO? The manual does say to leave the Super Program set to AUTO for TTL flash. Second, when you say to turn the exposure compensation dial to reduce the flash power. So you can get fill-flash at one or two stops less than the daylight, are you referring to the settings on the flash or on the camera? I think you are talking about the exposure compensation on the camera. Here's where I'm ignorant. Which setting do I set it to? I don't know if I should set it to 1/2x, 1/4x, 2x, or 4x? Also, I have read another way is to simply slide the flash ISO setting to twice the film. So, for ISO 100 film, set the flash to 200 and you have a 1 stop fill. So, would 400 be a 2 stop fill? What I don't know is do you need to shoot in manual mode, or can I set the camera on AUTO (or 125x)? Sorry all for my stupidity. I don't shoot with flash enough to remember. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Pearson asked: I recently acquired the AF280T flash to use on my Super Program. The manual does not mention anyting about daylight fill-flash. Can someone help me? I assume it is possible, but how should I go about it? Is there any reference material on the internet that might help me? Let's see if I can properly remember the trick someone else described here on the list a while back ... IIRC, you put the flash in TTL mode, put the camera in manual mode, pick the aperture the meter tells you to at zero compensation, *then* turn the exposure compensation dial to reduce the flash power. So you can get fill-flash at one or two stops less than the daylight. -- Glenn __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: Daylight Fill-Flash w/ 280 on Super Program
All depends on how much fill you want in the shadows. at 1/4, the fill light from the flash will be two stops down from the metered light. At 1/2 it'll be 1 stop down. As with many other things, it's a matter of trying it and seeing what you like. -Mat CBWaters wrote: Hey Mat, How does one know if the 1/4 or the 1/2 is required? I'm a dope when it comes to exposure compensation. I've never used those dials... Cory Waters - Original Message - From: Mat Maessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Daylight Fill-Flash w/ 280 on Super Program The thing to remember, if you use the flash in TTL mode, ALL of the controls that affect flash exposure are on the camera, NOT on the flash itself. So in TTL mode, any compensation you do will be on the camera, not on the flash. You can change the ISO setting, or use the exposure compensation knob, on the camera, to change the flash output. Basic procedure that works for me, with the Metz I've got at least: 1. Turn off flash. 2. Set shutter speed and aperture to be correct for existing light. You need to be in full manual mode on the camera. Remember that you have to be at 1/125 or slower on the shutter speed. 3. Turn on flash. 4. Turn the exposure compensation knob on the camera one or two clicks CLOCKWISE, towards the side with 1/2 and 1/4 listed. One click for one stop under on the flash, two clicks for two stops under. 5. Take picture. 6. Return flash to normal settings. Depending on the lighting, you may have to modify the flash to still fire when there's a lot of light. I believe other people on the list have details on this... -Mat Steve Pearson wrote: Glenn: First of all, I assume you set the camera shutter speed to the same as the sync setting (125x), in manual mode? Or, do I leave shutter set to AUTO? The manual does say to leave the Super Program set to AUTO for TTL flash. Second, when you say to turn the exposure compensation dial to reduce the flash power. So you can get fill-flash at one or two stops less than the daylight, are you referring to the settings on the flash or on the camera? I think you are talking about the exposure compensation on the camera. Here's where I'm ignorant. Which setting do I set it to? I don't know if I should set it to 1/2x, 1/4x, 2x, or 4x? Also, I have read another way is to simply slide the flash ISO setting to twice the film. So, for ISO 100 film, set the flash to 200 and you have a 1 stop fill. So, would 400 be a 2 stop fill? What I don't know is do you need to shoot in manual mode, or can I set the camera on AUTO (or 125x)? Sorry all for my stupidity. I don't shoot with flash enough to remember. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Pearson asked: I recently acquired the AF280T flash to use on my Super Program. The manual does not mention anyting about daylight fill-flash. Can someone help me? I assume it is possible, but how should I go about it? Is there any reference material on the internet that might help me? Let's see if I can properly remember the trick someone else described here on the list a while back ... IIRC, you put the flash in TTL mode, put the camera in manual mode, pick the aperture the meter tells you to at zero compensation, *then* turn the exposure compensation dial to reduce the flash power. So you can get fill-flash at one or two stops less than the daylight. -- Glenn __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: Daylight Fill-Flash w/ 280 on Super Program
Glenn: First of all, I assume you set the camera shutter speed to the same as the sync setting (125x), in manual mode? Or, do I leave shutter set to AUTO? The manual does say to leave the Super Program set to AUTO for TTL flash. Second, when you say to turn the exposure compensation dial to reduce the flash power. So you can get fill-flash at one or two stops less than the daylight, are you referring to the settings on the flash or on the camera? I think you are talking about the exposure compensation on the camera. Here's where I'm ignorant. Which setting do I set it to? I don't know if I should set it to 1/2x, 1/4x, 2x, or 4x? Also, I have read another way is to simply slide the flash ISO setting to twice the film. So, for ISO 100 film, set the flash to 200 and you have a 1 stop fill. So, would 400 be a 2 stop fill? What I don't know is do you need to shoot in manual mode, or can I set the camera on AUTO (or 125x)? Sorry all for my stupidity. I don't shoot with flash enough to remember. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Pearson asked: I recently acquired the AF280T flash to use on my Super Program. The manual does not mention anyting about daylight fill-flash. Can someone help me? I assume it is possible, but how should I go about it? Is there any reference material on the internet that might help me? Let's see if I can properly remember the trick someone else described here on the list a while back ... IIRC, you put the flash in TTL mode, put the camera in manual mode, pick the aperture the meter tells you to at zero compensation, *then* turn the exposure compensation dial to reduce the flash power. So you can get fill-flash at one or two stops less than the daylight. -- Glenn __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: Daylight Fill-Flash w/ 280 on Super Program
The thing to remember, if you use the flash in TTL mode, ALL of the controls that affect flash exposure are on the camera, NOT on the flash itself. So in TTL mode, any compensation you do will be on the camera, not on the flash. You can change the ISO setting, or use the exposure compensation knob, on the camera, to change the flash output. Basic procedure that works for me, with the Metz I've got at least: 1. Turn off flash. 2. Set shutter speed and aperture to be correct for existing light. You need to be in full manual mode on the camera. Remember that you have to be at 1/125 or slower on the shutter speed. 3. Turn on flash. 4. Turn the exposure compensation knob on the camera one or two clicks CLOCKWISE, towards the side with 1/2 and 1/4 listed. One click for one stop under on the flash, two clicks for two stops under. 5. Take picture. 6. Return flash to normal settings. Depending on the lighting, you may have to modify the flash to still fire when there's a lot of light. I believe other people on the list have details on this... -Mat Steve Pearson wrote: Glenn: First of all, I assume you set the camera shutter speed to the same as the sync setting (125x), in manual mode? Or, do I leave shutter set to AUTO? The manual does say to leave the Super Program set to AUTO for TTL flash. Second, when you say to turn the exposure compensation dial to reduce the flash power. So you can get fill-flash at one or two stops less than the daylight, are you referring to the settings on the flash or on the camera? I think you are talking about the exposure compensation on the camera. Here's where I'm ignorant. Which setting do I set it to? I don't know if I should set it to 1/2x, 1/4x, 2x, or 4x? Also, I have read another way is to simply slide the flash ISO setting to twice the film. So, for ISO 100 film, set the flash to 200 and you have a 1 stop fill. So, would 400 be a 2 stop fill? What I don't know is do you need to shoot in manual mode, or can I set the camera on AUTO (or 125x)? Sorry all for my stupidity. I don't shoot with flash enough to remember. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Pearson asked: I recently acquired the AF280T flash to use on my Super Program. The manual does not mention anyting about daylight fill-flash. Can someone help me? I assume it is possible, but how should I go about it? Is there any reference material on the internet that might help me? Let's see if I can properly remember the trick someone else described here on the list a while back ... IIRC, you put the flash in TTL mode, put the camera in manual mode, pick the aperture the meter tells you to at zero compensation, *then* turn the exposure compensation dial to reduce the flash power. So you can get fill-flash at one or two stops less than the daylight. -- Glenn __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: Daylight Fill-Flash w/ 280 on Super Program
Thanks Mat very much for your response. I will give it a try today! Have a great Sunday all! --- Mat Maessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The thing to remember, if you use the flash in TTL mode, ALL of the controls that affect flash exposure are on the camera, NOT on the flash itself. So in TTL mode, any compensation you do will be on the camera, not on the flash. You can change the ISO setting, or use the exposure compensation knob, on the camera, to change the flash output. Basic procedure that works for me, with the Metz I've got at least: 1. Turn off flash. 2. Set shutter speed and aperture to be correct for existing light. You need to be in full manual mode on the camera. Remember that you have to be at 1/125 or slower on the shutter speed. 3. Turn on flash. 4. Turn the exposure compensation knob on the camera one or two clicks CLOCKWISE, towards the side with 1/2 and 1/4 listed. One click for one stop under on the flash, two clicks for two stops under. 5. Take picture. 6. Return flash to normal settings. Depending on the lighting, you may have to modify the flash to still fire when there's a lot of light. I believe other people on the list have details on this... -Mat Steve Pearson wrote: Glenn: First of all, I assume you set the camera shutter speed to the same as the sync setting (125x), in manual mode? Or, do I leave shutter set to AUTO? The manual does say to leave the Super Program set to AUTO for TTL flash. Second, when you say to turn the exposure compensation dial to reduce the flash power. So you can get fill-flash at one or two stops less than the daylight, are you referring to the settings on the flash or on the camera? I think you are talking about the exposure compensation on the camera. Here's where I'm ignorant. Which setting do I set it to? I don't know if I should set it to 1/2x, 1/4x, 2x, or 4x? Also, I have read another way is to simply slide the flash ISO setting to twice the film. So, for ISO 100 film, set the flash to 200 and you have a 1 stop fill. So, would 400 be a 2 stop fill? What I don't know is do you need to shoot in manual mode, or can I set the camera on AUTO (or 125x)? Sorry all for my stupidity. I don't shoot with flash enough to remember. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Pearson asked: I recently acquired the AF280T flash to use on my Super Program. The manual does not mention anyting about daylight fill-flash. Can someone help me? I assume it is possible, but how should I go about it? Is there any reference material on the internet that might help me? Let's see if I can properly remember the trick someone else described here on the list a while back ... IIRC, you put the flash in TTL mode, put the camera in manual mode, pick the aperture the meter tells you to at zero compensation, *then* turn the exposure compensation dial to reduce the flash power. So you can get fill-flash at one or two stops less than the daylight. -- Glenn __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: Daylight Fill-Flash w/ 280 on Super Program
I do this trick quite often -- when having two flashes, one on camera, this allows to change the ratio, works on LX just fine. Mishka
Re: Daylight Fill-Flash w/ 280 on Super Program
The Super Program is my mail flash camera, and now I know why I haven't managed to use fill flash: I don't take it off of autoexposure. No wonder people buy newer camera bodies; fill flash needn't be calculated: You can just tell the camera, Make it so. Right? At least, the Ricoh XR-X3P (their final high-end body) makes fill flash a snap (using the built-in flash; I don't know about hotshoe flash). [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Daylight Fill-Flash w/ 280 on Super Program
Hi all, I recently acquired the AF280T flash to use on my Super Program. The manual does not mention anyting about daylight fill-flash. Can someone help me? I assume it is possible, but how should I go about it? Is there any reference material on the internet that might help me? Thanks very much in advance! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
