Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-22 Thread Bruce Walker
That Gossen sounds like a real keeper. And the Pentax would be very
useful because of that 1 degree spot. If they cost you little, I'd
hang onto them.

I could sure use a thrift store like that! You must have a busy eBay
account. :-)

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:28 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 on 2013-01-13 8:22 Bruce Walker wrote

 In fact, the iPhone lightmeter
 apps cannot do:

 - spot metering
 - incident flash
 - flash/ambient ratios
 - flash triggering
 - readings triggered by sync cable
 - cine readings


 benefits of living a block from an excellent thrift store: i happen to have
 a Pentax Spotmeter-V and a Gossen Ultra-Pro, both in great shape; very
 interesting devices; the Gossen has dozens of functions - reflective,
 incident, flash, etc. - while the Spotmeter-V is perfectly minimal — just
 reads EV from a 1 degree spot (it's got a Hycam scale on the side so i use
 my iPhone to convert EV to exposure)

 also have an Extech industrial light meter, which i plan to use to check the
 Gossen's incident readings

 i don't really need them, but using them for some learning, and will pass
 them on fairly soon





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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi DagT:  There are 4 apps called Lightmeter.  Which one do you use?  :-)  
Cheers, Christine



On Jan 13, 2013, at 3:00 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:

 
 Den 13. jan. 2013 kl. 04:07 skrev Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com:
 
 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 IMO, a good hand-held light meter does a much better job of being a
 light meter than any compact camera does.
 
 Well, yeah. But it can't double as a camera when need be. :-)
 
 
 My light meter doubles as telephone :-)
 I simple use an App for iPhone called Lightmeter. I works fairly well.
 
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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Christine: the three light meter apps for iPhone that I have found
most useful are:

FotometerPro by Kit Da Studio
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fotometerpro/id439913393?mt=8

iLightMeter by Leonardo Software House
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ilightmeter/id395224340?mt=8

LightMeter by Ambertation
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/lightmeter/id320768222?mt=8

G


On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Hi DagT:  There are 4 apps called Lightmeter.  Which one do you use?  :-)  
 Cheers, Christine



 On Jan 13, 2013, at 3:00 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:


 Den 13. jan. 2013 kl. 04:07 skrev Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com:

 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 IMO, a good hand-held light meter does a much better job of being a
 light meter than any compact camera does.

 Well, yeah. But it can't double as a camera when need be. :-)


 My light meter doubles as telephone :-)
 I simple use an App for iPhone called Lightmeter. I works fairly well.

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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-21 Thread Christine Aguila
Neato!  Thanks, Godfrey!  Cheers, Christine



On Jan 21, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:

 Christine: the three light meter apps for iPhone that I have found
 most useful are:
 
 FotometerPro by Kit Da Studio
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fotometerpro/id439913393?mt=8
 
 iLightMeter by Leonardo Software House
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ilightmeter/id395224340?mt=8
 
 LightMeter by Ambertation
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/lightmeter/id320768222?mt=8
 
 G
 
 
 On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com 
 wrote:
 Hi DagT:  There are 4 apps called Lightmeter.  Which one do you use?  :-)  
 Cheers, Christine
 
 
 
 On Jan 13, 2013, at 3:00 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:
 
 
 Den 13. jan. 2013 kl. 04:07 skrev Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com:
 
 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 IMO, a good hand-held light meter does a much better job of being a
 light meter than any compact camera does.
 
 Well, yeah. But it can't double as a camera when need be. :-)
 
 
 My light meter doubles as telephone :-)
 I simple use an App for iPhone called Lightmeter. I works fairly well.
 
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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-21 Thread DagT
it looks like it is the one called LightMeter Pro.

(written from a forced visit to a place close to Munich. They should learn how 
to handle snow in their airports).

DagT

21. jan. 2013 kl. 17:25 skrev Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com:

 Hi DagT:  There are 4 apps called Lightmeter.  Which one do you use?  :-)  
 Cheers, Christine
 
 
 
 On Jan 13, 2013, at 3:00 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:
 
 
 Den 13. jan. 2013 kl. 04:07 skrev Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com:
 
 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 IMO, a good hand-held light meter does a much better job of being a
 light meter than any compact camera does.
 
 Well, yeah. But it can't double as a camera when need be. :-)
 
 
 My light meter doubles as telephone :-)
 I simple use an App for iPhone called Lightmeter. I works fairly well.
 
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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-21 Thread steve harley

on 2013-01-13 8:22 Bruce Walker wrote

In fact, the iPhone lightmeter
apps cannot do:

- spot metering
- incident flash
- flash/ambient ratios
- flash triggering
- readings triggered by sync cable
- cine readings


benefits of living a block from an excellent thrift store: i happen to have a 
Pentax Spotmeter-V and a Gossen Ultra-Pro, both in great shape; very 
interesting devices; the Gossen has dozens of functions - reflective, incident, 
flash, etc. - while the Spotmeter-V is perfectly minimal — just reads EV from a 
1 degree spot (it's got a Hycam scale on the side so i use my iPhone to convert 
EV to exposure)


also have an Extech industrial light meter, which i plan to use to check the 
Gossen's incident readings


i don't really need them, but using them for some learning, and will pass them 
on fairly soon





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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-13 Thread DagT

Den 13. jan. 2013 kl. 04:07 skrev Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com:

 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 
 IMO, a good hand-held light meter does a much better job of being a
 light meter than any compact camera does.
 
 Well, yeah. But it can't double as a camera when need be. :-)
 

My light meter doubles as telephone :-)
I simple use an App for iPhone called Lightmeter. I works fairly well.

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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-13 Thread Jens
A used lightmeter is quite cheap these days. Get a Gossen Lunasix F, for 
instance. Or one of those electronic meters from Minolta. You might get one for 
perhaps 50 USD.
It's much better for the job. Anyway - I bought a K-01 as soon as the hit the 
markedplace last year. I was very disappointed - since I found out I couldn't 
live without an optical viewfinder. I soon  got a collapsable hood for the LCD, 
which helps a little in bright sunlight.

I still prefere using my K-5/K20D for most stuff, but for panoramas the K-01 is 
very nice, since it has the direct veiw turned on all the time. So I'm keeping 
it. The image quality is excellent - and I can still use all my fine Pentax 
lenses.

So, if you can live without the optical viewfinder - buy a K-01.

As for the lightmeter - I'd rather exchange the 67 for a 67II - they are not 
very expensive these days. The only problem is getting high quality scans - 
this is a MUST IMO, if you want to seriously compete with 16 MegaPixel digital 
images.

As I can't afford an Imacon (Hasselblad) scanner, I get my negs scanned in 
Germany. But I'm still having trouble getting good enough scans. Pro scans made 
in Denmark cost appr. 125 USD for each frame!!! If I had to make a living from 
photography, I'd get a 645D - or a Phase One camera. But I don't :-)

Regards
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On Jan 13, 2013 10:00 DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:
 Den 13. jan. 2013 kl. 04:07 skrev Mark Roberts
 postmas...@robertstech.com:
  Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
  
  IMO, a good hand-held light meter does a much better job of being
  a
  light meter than any compact camera does.
  
  Well, yeah. But it can't double as a camera when need be. :-)
  
 
 My light meter doubles as telephone :-)
 I simple use an App for iPhone called Lightmeter. I works fairly
 well.
 
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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-13 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 12/1/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

I've had a few clients sending me checks lately (yay!) and had been
toying with the idea of getting a new camera. I even considered one of
the $319.00 K-01 close-outs from Amazon - it could serve as a light
meter for my meterless Pentax 67 that would double as a camera if
necessary. But I don't shoot with the 67 often enough to justify that
and wouldn't use it on its own much. I may acquire a compact camera to
serve that purpose later, though. (Anyone know if there are any good
compacts that go below ISO 100?)

So anyway, I bought an electric guitar instead.

Cool.

Mark, you *need* to buy the Fuji X20.

That is all.

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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-13 Thread Mark Roberts
Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 12/1/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

I've had a few clients sending me checks lately (yay!) and had been
toying with the idea of getting a new camera. I even considered one of
the $319.00 K-01 close-outs from Amazon - it could serve as a light
meter for my meterless Pentax 67 that would double as a camera if
necessary. But I don't shoot with the 67 often enough to justify that
and wouldn't use it on its own much. I may acquire a compact camera to
serve that purpose later, though. (Anyone know if there are any good
compacts that go below ISO 100?)

So anyway, I bought an electric guitar instead.

Cool.

Mark, you *need* to buy the Fuji X20.

Think they'll take an electric guitar in trade?
 
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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-13 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 13/1/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

Think they'll take an electric guitar in trade?

Hmmm - what guitar ?

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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-13 Thread Bruce Walker
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:00 AM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:

 Den 13. jan. 2013 kl. 04:07 skrev Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com:

 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 IMO, a good hand-held light meter does a much better job of being a
 light meter than any compact camera does.

 Well, yeah. But it can't double as a camera when need be. :-)

 My light meter doubles as telephone :-)
 I simple use an App for iPhone called Lightmeter. I works fairly well.

 DagT

Now *that's* an interesting concept. Of course the iPhone is a
computer with a fancy light sensor attached. :-)

Sadly, AFAICT none of these apps works as a flash meter, and besides
using it with a film camera, that is the main reason for having a
light meter. It's my reason anyway. In fact, the iPhone lightmeter
apps cannot do:

- spot metering
- incident flash
- flash/ambient ratios
- flash triggering
- readings triggered by sync cable
- cine readings

Nor, unfortunately can the cheapie used flashes like Jens mentioned;
eg Gossen Lunasix F.

Still very happy I picked up a Polaris flash meter at a good price.
Does everything but cine.

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Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-12 Thread Mark Roberts
I've had a few clients sending me checks lately (yay!) and had been
toying with the idea of getting a new camera. I even considered one of
the $319.00 K-01 close-outs from Amazon - it could serve as a light
meter for my meterless Pentax 67 that would double as a camera if
necessary. But I don't shoot with the 67 often enough to justify that
and wouldn't use it on its own much. I may acquire a compact camera to
serve that purpose later, though. (Anyone know if there are any good
compacts that go below ISO 100?)

So anyway, I bought an electric guitar instead.
 
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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-12 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 12, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 I've had a few clients sending me checks lately (yay!) and had been
 toying with the idea of getting a new camera. I even considered one of
 the $319.00 K-01 close-outs from Amazon - it could serve as a light
 meter for my meterless Pentax 67 that would double as a camera if
 necessary. But I don't shoot with the 67 often enough to justify that
 and wouldn't use it on its own much. I may acquire a compact camera to
 serve that purpose later, though. (Anyone know if there are any good
 compacts that go below ISO 100?)
 
 So anyway, I bought an electric guitar instead.

Congratulations.

I bet you could get some great deals on motorcycles this time of year too, but 
I don't think you should be allowed to invest in any time sinks until after the 
annual ships.


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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Larry Colen wrote:

On Jan 12, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 I've had a few clients sending me checks lately (yay!) and had been
 toying with the idea of getting a new camera. I even considered one of
 the $319.00 K-01 close-outs from Amazon - it could serve as a light
 meter for my meterless Pentax 67 that would double as a camera if
 necessary. But I don't shoot with the 67 often enough to justify that
 and wouldn't use it on its own much. I may acquire a compact camera to
 serve that purpose later, though. (Anyone know if there are any good
 compacts that go below ISO 100?)
 
 So anyway, I bought an electric guitar instead.

Congratulations.

I bet you could get some great deals on motorcycles this time of year too, 
but I don't think you should be allowed to invest in any time sinks until 
after the annual ships.

Also, I can *hide* a guitar for a while. And more convincingly lie
about how much it cost when it gets found out. ;-)

But, yes, I'd love to have a second bike. The big Triumph fabulous on
the open road but too powerful to be fun in city traffic. A big
thumper (SRX600) or medium-size twin would be just the ticket.
 
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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-12 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 12, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Larry Colen wrote:
 
 On Jan 12, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 
 I bet you could get some great deals on motorcycles this time of year too, 
 but I don't think you should be allowed to invest in any time sinks until 
 after the annual ships.
 
 Also, I can *hide* a guitar for a while. And more convincingly lie
 about how much it cost when it gets found out. ;-)
 
 But, yes, I'd love to have a second bike. The big Triumph fabulous on
 the open road but too powerful to be fun in city traffic. A big
 thumper (SRX600) or medium-size twin would be just the ticket.


I often miss my old R80RT airhead for it's being a relatively comfortable bike, 
able to carry a bunch of stuff. But for sheer fun to ride, nothing I've ever 
ridden has beat the ninja 250 I used to own.  It was light, nimble, easy to 
park, and on public roads I could ride it at a lot closer to 10/10ths, because 
it took all of it's motor to get up to fun speeds, and I was still going less 
than twice the speed limit.

I've ridden a couple of nice 600 or 700 cc bikes (hurricane, ducatti ...) and I 
was pretty much twice the speed limit before they were even breathing hard.

I think that nearly 30 years later, I'd have a lot more appreciation for my 
first bike, a honda 350/4, though if I were shopping for one now, I'd probably 
go for the 400/4 super sport.

When I was in Singapore, I fell in love with the Aprillia 250.  But those are 
damn near impossible to import, at least for riding on the street.

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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-12 Thread Jack Davis
Well, so long as you bought something that's really all that matters. ;-)

Jack

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Subject: Didn't buy a camera today

I've had a few clients sending me checks lately (yay!) and had been
toying with the idea of getting a new camera. I even considered one of
the $319.00 K-01 close-outs from Amazon - it could serve as a light
meter for my meterless Pentax 67 that would double as a camera if
necessary. But I don't shoot with the 67 often enough to justify that
and wouldn't use it on its own much. I may acquire a compact camera to
serve that purpose later, though. (Anyone know if there are any good
compacts that go below ISO 100?)

So anyway, I bought an electric guitar instead.

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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Enjoy your guitar! An electric guitar would be utterly useless for me,
I'm all thumbs on stringed instruments. A compact electric piano or
synth .. yeah. :-)

 ... I may acquire a compact camera to
 serve that purpose later, though. (Anyone know if there are any good
 compacts that go below ISO 100?)

IMO, a good hand-held light meter does a much better job of being a
light meter than any compact camera does. I recommend the Sekonic
L-358 ... I've got the L-328 which has served me very well for more
than a dozen years, but I'm really thinking of moving up to the 358
model's larger integrating hemisphere, higher sensitivity, etc etc
soon.

A compact camera that has ISO 100 and a decent sized (APS-C) sensor
... Hmm. Well, no, I don't know of one. However, fitted with a filter
adapter, I can get down to ISO 1.5 using the Leica X2 and a B+W type
106 ND filter (six stops). Does a lovely job, and is a great camera
with clean results up to ISO 6400, even 128000 in a pinch too.
Excellent lens and controls.

G

On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Mark Roberts
postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 I've had a few clients sending me checks lately (yay!) and had been
 toying with the idea of getting a new camera. I even considered one of
 the $319.00 K-01 close-outs from Amazon - it could serve as a light
 meter for my meterless Pentax 67 that would double as a camera if
 necessary. But I don't shoot with the 67 often enough to justify that
 and wouldn't use it on its own much. I may acquire a compact camera to
 serve that purpose later, though. (Anyone know if there are any good
 compacts that go below ISO 100?)

 So anyway, I bought an electric guitar instead.

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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-12 Thread Bruce Walker
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:

 IMO, a good hand-held light meter does a much better job of being a
 light meter than any compact camera does.

I do too, but you and I may be the only ones here that hold that view.


 I recommend the Sekonic
 L-358 ... I've got the L-328 which has served me very well for more
 than a dozen years, but I'm really thinking of moving up to the 358
 model's larger integrating hemisphere, higher sensitivity, etc etc
 soon.

You've got the dough; go for the L-478D. :-)

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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
I agree, particularly a light meter with incident and spot metering capability. 

On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 IMO, a good hand-held light meter does a much better job of being a
 light meter than any compact camera does.
 
 I do too, but you and I may be the only ones here that hold that view.
 
 
 I recommend the Sekonic
 L-358 ... I've got the L-328 which has served me very well for more
 than a dozen years, but I'm really thinking of moving up to the 358
 model's larger integrating hemisphere, higher sensitivity, etc etc
 soon.
 
 You've got the dough; go for the L-478D. :-)
 
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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

IMO, a good hand-held light meter does a much better job of being a
light meter than any compact camera does.

Well, yeah. But it can't double as a camera when need be. :-)

And for my purposes, a digital camera works just as well as a light
meter. For the nature photography stuff I do the histogram and
(especially) highlight and shadow blinkies let me get my exposures
perfect in situations where an incident light meter would be
impossible to use and readings with a spotmeter would take too much
time and fuss. I've used my digital SLRs in the past this way and I
get perfect exposures for slide film 10 out of 10 times (which is
actually one too many because PrintFile negative pages for 6x7 hold
only nine slides and I'd like to be able to toss one out).

In a studio or other reasonably controlled situation a genuine light
meter is the way to go. When standing in the middle of a stream on the
side of a mountain and shooting a waterfall, I choose a digital
snapshot and histogram every time (it even gives be a back up photo if
the lab screws up).
 
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Re: Didn't buy a camera today

2013-01-12 Thread Larry Colen

On Jan 12, 2013, at 7:07 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 In a studio or other reasonably controlled situation a genuine light
 meter is the way to go. When standing in the middle of a stream on the
 side of a mountain and shooting a waterfall, I choose a digital
 snapshot and histogram every time (it even gives be a back up photo if
 the lab screws up).


You.

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