Re: Ebay risk and protection
In a message dated 10/10/2006 8:55:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Consider this scenario: An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). The seller is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in China. The seller "can't" accept Paypal. Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy the item immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be certain the item will arrive as promised. What would you do? If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford to blow my money. == Sometimes sellers with zero feedback are fraudelent. Some are, yes, just starting out, but some are people who have already pulled scams and are back on ebay with a new ebay name, hence the zero feedback. Personally, I would never buy a big ticket item from someone with zero feedback. And definitely not from someone with zero feedback who also was in another country. Stupidity is not my middle name. Marnie -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
I always go by the maxim "If it's too good to be true, it's too good to be true" Perhaps I miss a lot of bargains, but I doubt it. Incidentally the Chinese business people that I know would certainly NOT be charging a fraction of the going rate on Ebay. Peter On 10/11/06, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, no, no! If you can not afford to loose the money you should bid on > and pay for every doubtful item on ebay in the hope that you will be > able to sell it at a profit. If you have plenty of money, you will bid > only on sure things. This is the way it isy, not the way it ought to be. > That is why one person has money and the other doesn't in the first > place. > > > -- > graywolf > http://www.graywolfphoto.com > http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf > "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" > --- > > > Digital Image Studio wrote: > > On 11/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Consider this scenario: > >> > >> An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it > >> now). The seller > >> is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in > >> China. The > >> seller "can't" accept Paypal. > >> > >> Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy > >> the item > >> immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be > >> certain > >> the item will arrive as promised. > >> > >> What would you do? > >> > >> If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't > >> afford to blow my > >> money. > > > > Very simple, go for it if you are prepared to gamble and have the > > money to lose or forget about it if you don't. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
No, no, no! If you can not afford to loose the money you should bid on and pay for every doubtful item on ebay in the hope that you will be able to sell it at a profit. If you have plenty of money, you will bid only on sure things. This is the way it is, not the way it ought to be. That is why one person has money and the other doesn't in the first place. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf "Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof" --- Digital Image Studio wrote: > On 11/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Consider this scenario: >> >> An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). >> The seller >> is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in >> China. The >> seller "can't" accept Paypal. >> >> Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy >> the item >> immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be >> certain >> the item will arrive as promised. >> >> What would you do? >> >> If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford >> to blow my >> money. > > Very simple, go for it if you are prepared to gamble and have the > money to lose or forget about it if you don't. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
I'd pass on that one for sure ann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Consider this scenario: > > An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). > The seller > is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in > China. The > seller "can't" accept Paypal. > > Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy > the item > immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be certain > the item will arrive as promised. > > What would you do? > > If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford > to blow my > money. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
Just ask the seller to use one of the established escrow services. If there really is a camera for sale this would protect you. Bob On Oct 11, 2006, at 8:29 AM, J and K Messervy wrote: > A conclusion I had reached. I WISH it were real, but there's no > way I'd > take the risk. > - Original Message - > From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:01 PM > Subject: Re: Ebay risk and protection > > >> I saw this listing myself. >> >> There have been a consistent trickle of these Pentax listings on >> ebay... >> Zero feedback sellers from China with grossly underpriced item(s) >> (Sometimes shipping is costs more than the item.) >> >> RUN, don't walk away, RUN away from these listings. >> China is the Wild West. >> These are scams looking for greedy and naive ebay users. >> >> Regards, Bob S. >> >> >> On 10/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Quoting Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>>> Consider this scenario: >>>>> >>>>> An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy >>>> it now). The seller >>>>> is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller >>>> in in China. The >>>>> seller "can't" accept Paypal. >>>>> >>>>> Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, >>>> I'd buy the item >>>>> immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I >>>>> can't >>>> be certain >>>>> the item will arrive as promised. >>>>> >>>>> What would you do? >>>>> >>>>> If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I >>>> can't afford to blow my >>>>> money. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Scam. Damn near guaranteed. No Paypal, China and zero feedback. >>>> >>>> -Adam >>>> >>> >>> That's what I'm thinking. It is firmly in the too good to be true >>> category...a Pentax >>> 67 II with 4 lenses and metered prism for AUD$520 buy it now. >>> That's >>> about $2000 >>> too cheap! >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
A conclusion I had reached. I WISH it were real, but there's no way I'd take the risk. - Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Ebay risk and protection >I saw this listing myself. > > There have been a consistent trickle of these Pentax listings on ebay... > Zero feedback sellers from China with grossly underpriced item(s) > (Sometimes shipping is costs more than the item.) > > RUN, don't walk away, RUN away from these listings. > China is the Wild West. > These are scams looking for greedy and naive ebay users. > > Regards, Bob S. > > > On 10/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Quoting Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > > Consider this scenario: >> > > >> > > An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy >> > it now). The seller >> > > is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller >> > in in China. The >> > > seller "can't" accept Paypal. >> > > >> > > Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, >> > I'd buy the item >> > > immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't >> > be certain >> > > the item will arrive as promised. >> > > >> > > What would you do? >> > > >> > > If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I >> > can't afford to blow my >> > > money. >> > > >> > >> > Scam. Damn near guaranteed. No Paypal, China and zero feedback. >> > >> > -Adam >> > >> >> That's what I'm thinking. It is firmly in the too good to be true >> category...a Pentax >> 67 II with 4 lenses and metered prism for AUD$520 buy it now. That's >> about $2000 >> too cheap! >> > -- >> > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> > PDML@pdml.net >> > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
I saw this listing myself. There have been a consistent trickle of these Pentax listings on ebay... Zero feedback sellers from China with grossly underpriced item(s) (Sometimes shipping is costs more than the item.) RUN, don't walk away, RUN away from these listings. China is the Wild West. These are scams looking for greedy and naive ebay users. Regards, Bob S. On 10/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Consider this scenario: > > > > > > An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy > > it now). The seller > > > is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller > > in in China. The > > > seller "can't" accept Paypal. > > > > > > Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, > > I'd buy the item > > > immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't > > be certain > > > the item will arrive as promised. > > > > > > What would you do? > > > > > > If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I > > can't afford to blow my > > > money. > > > > > > > Scam. Damn near guaranteed. No Paypal, China and zero feedback. > > > > -Adam > > > > That's what I'm thinking. It is firmly in the too good to be true > category...a Pentax > 67 II with 4 lenses and metered prism for AUD$520 buy it now. That's about > $2000 > too cheap! > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
Forget it. Very high risk. Paul On Oct 10, 2006, at 11:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Consider this scenario: > > An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it > now). The seller > is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in > in China. The > seller "can't" accept Paypal. > > Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd > buy the item > immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be > certain > the item will arrive as promised. > > What would you do? > > If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't > afford to blow my > money. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
Yes, sadly I do. Damn. :) - Original Message - From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Ebay risk and protection > You _know_ what the answer is. >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Date: 2006/10/11 Wed AM 03:47:37 GMT >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Ebay risk and protection >> >> Consider this scenario: >> >> An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it >> now). The seller >> is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in >> China. The >> seller "can't" accept Paypal. >> >> Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd >> buy the item >> immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be >> certain >> the item will arrive as promised. >> >> What would you do? >> >> If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't >> afford to blow my >> money. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > - > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
You _know_ what the answer is. > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 2006/10/11 Wed AM 03:47:37 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Ebay risk and protection > > Consider this scenario: > > An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). > The seller > is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in > China. The > seller "can't" accept Paypal. > > Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy > the item > immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be > certain > the item will arrive as promised. > > What would you do? > > If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford > to blow my > money. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
Quoting Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Consider this scenario: > > > > An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy > it now). The seller > > is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller > in in China. The > > seller "can't" accept Paypal. > > > > Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, > I'd buy the item > > immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't > be certain > > the item will arrive as promised. > > > > What would you do? > > > > If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I > can't afford to blow my > > money. > > > > Scam. Damn near guaranteed. No Paypal, China and zero feedback. > > -Adam > That's what I'm thinking. It is firmly in the too good to be true category...a Pentax 67 II with 4 lenses and metered prism for AUD$520 buy it now. That's about $2000 too cheap! > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Consider this scenario: > > An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). > The seller > is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in > China. The > seller "can't" accept Paypal. > > Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy > the item > immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be > certain > the item will arrive as promised. > > What would you do? > > If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford > to blow my > money. > Scam. Damn near guaranteed. No Paypal, China and zero feedback. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay risk and protection
On 11/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Consider this scenario: > > An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). > The seller > is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in > China. The > seller "can't" accept Paypal. > > Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy > the item > immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be certain > the item will arrive as promised. > > What would you do? > > If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford > to blow my > money. Very simple, go for it if you are prepared to gamble and have the money to lose or forget about it if you don't. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Ebay risk and protection
Consider this scenario: An item you are looking for is available at a very good price (buy it now). The seller is a relatively new ebay member and has zero feedback. The seller in in China. The seller "can't" accept Paypal. Now, if I knew for certain that this was for real and above board, I'd buy the item immediately. There seem to be too many unknowns though and I can't be certain the item will arrive as promised. What would you do? If it is for real, I couldn't bear to miss out...if it isn't, I can't afford to blow my money. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
