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- Original Message - From: Bob W Subject: Re: Football Tricks Hi, Parminder Nagra http://www.parminderonline.com/ hubba hubba I'm not sure about this claim on the website: All the fan fun With none of the creepy, stalker weirdness I used to know someone who starred in a few Hollywood films. I once accidentally stumbled on a 'fan' site dedicated to her worship. It was very weird and distinctly creepy to see that sort of thing aimed at someone I knew. Strange words coming from someone who is a member of a community dedicated to exploiting peoples images for profit. William Robb
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On 30/3/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm not sure about this claim on the website: All the fan fun With none of the creepy, stalker weirdness Just used Gurgle to find a pic ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Hi, http://www.parminderonline.com/ hubba hubba I'm not sure about this claim on the website: All the fan fun With none of the creepy, stalker weirdness I used to know someone who starred in a few Hollywood films. I once accidentally stumbled on a 'fan' site dedicated to her worship. It was very weird and distinctly creepy to see that sort of thing aimed at someone I knew. Strange words coming from someone who is a member of a community dedicated to exploiting peoples images for profit. Perhaps. She lives by publicity, and has to take the rough aspect of it. I've never denied that there is a rough aspect, but I have always said that it's part of the price. -- Cheers, Bob
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Saturday, March 26, 2005, 9:27:34 PM, Cotty wrote: C Saturday afternoon. A lad with a football and a dad with a camera C :-) C http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html Hey Cotty, these are great photos! You used slow synch flash excellently! BTW, from how many shots are these selects? It's pretty hard to get good motion trail + flash shots, so I was wondering... I did a fashion show this way (mostly moving the camera greatly, shaking like a drunk g), the results showed I must practice this more :-( Good light! fra
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On 29/3/05, Frantisek, discombobulated, unleashed: C http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html Hey Cotty, these are great photos! You used slow synch flash excellently! Thanks Fra. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:27:34 +, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saturday afternoon. A lad with a football and a dad with a camera I'm guessing that it's a Good Thing it wasn't the other way around (on several levels...). vbg :-) http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html All good shots, but I really like #2 from the top. Dare I say, he seems to be Bending it like Beckham. I like the effect. BTW, Bend it Like Beckham is a fun movie and a wonderful family movie, for anyone who hasn't seen it. Plus, that really cute doctor from ER is in it (I think the character's name is Neela? The East Indian one with the English accent, anyway). cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On 29/3/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html All good shots, but I really like #2 from the top. Dare I say, he seems to be Bending it like Beckham. I like the effect. Thanks Frank ol buddy BTW, Bend it Like Beckham is a fun movie and a wonderful family movie, for anyone who hasn't seen it. Plus, that really cute doctor from ER is in it (I think the character's name is Neela? The East Indian one with the English accent, anyway). Parminder Nagra http://www.parminderonline.com/ hubba hubba Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 26/3/05, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: That's the first thing I noticed, when looking at the shots. Probably caused by the very wide angle lens - the flash duration is short enough to freeze it in proper shape Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 26/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Great work, Cotty. Love these. Perfect amount of motion blur. Nice saturated color. Thanks boss :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: Saturday afternoon. A lad with a football and a dad with a camera Football? But... it's perfectly round! http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html Furthermore, and I hate to break the news to you, but you have aam acitre case of the F.T. disease! Starts out this way, next comes the bunny ears! Ha! The first thing I thought when I saw these shots was, Hey, Frank's switched to color film! Great stuff, Cotty ;-) -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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On 27/3/05, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Ha! The first thing I thought when I saw these shots was, Hey, Frank's switched to color film! Frank has a great style. Great stuff, Cotty ;-) Ta! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Cotty this is probably going to make me feel stupid (so what's new?), but I have to ask. In the first and fourth photos there is what appears to be a distinct 'shadow' behind the ball. It makes it look as though the sky was a backdrop, or that the ball was pasted n later. What causes this? I'm stll marveling at these shots, I've never done anything like this. Great stuff! Don -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 1:28 PM To: pentax list Subject: Football Tricks Saturday afternoon. A lad with a football and a dad with a camera :-) http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Powell Hargrave wrote: Great stuff Cotty. How did you balance the exposure and what was the shutter speed? Must give it a try if I can find some thing that moves around here. Powell Saturday afternoon. A lad with a football and a dad with a camera :-) http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html Never saw the original posting and not much coming in.quite agree with this though, great stuff! Malcolm
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On 27/3/05, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html Never saw the original posting and not much coming in.quite agree with this though, great stuff! Thanks Malc. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 27/3/05, Powell Hargrave, discombobulated, unleashed: Great stuff Cotty. Thanks Powell. How did you balance the exposure and what was the shutter speed? ISO 320, I simply set the focus manually to 1 metre, the aperture to f/8 and let it go. I noticed that a lot of the shots were exposed at 1/15 sec, which sounds right. There was large areas of brighter sky around, but I tried to get the darker hedge behind the lad most of the time to slow the shutter speeds down a bit. I used second-curtain sync with the flash, which was on full auto. The days of me calculating lighting ratios for fill-in flash (using an LX and 280T even!) are long gone ;-) Must give it a try if I can find some thing that moves around here. You don't even need the subject to move. In a lot of the shots I was moving the camera. There's 3 basic approaches that I used: 1. camera stationary, subject moving (background still, subject blurred + frozen flash) 2. camera panning, subject moving (background blurry, subject blurred + frozen flash) 3. camera moving, subject moving (background blurry, subject blurred + frozen flash) Obviously anything out of range of the flash was blurred, and as things came into range of the flash, the more of a 'frozen' flash image there was, as well as the blurry part. Closest part of the pics, the subject, was frozen at flash firing, and determined overall exposure. I'll continue this in response to Don's quaestion in another email as it strays into his post Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 27/3/05, Don Sanderson, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty this is probably going to make me feel stupid (so what's new?), but I have to ask. Hey, I can bluff with the best of them :-) In the first and fourth photos there is what appears to be a distinct 'shadow' behind the ball. It makes it look as though the sky was a backdrop, or that the ball was pasted n later. Yes, it does - like a drop-shadow effect... What causes this? Short answer - exposure. Long answer: I would guess that it's all to do with the duration of the exposure and the fact that the ball is moving through the air during. The exposure on pic number 4 is 1/15th second at f/8 (ISO 320) - so lets re-arrange things slightly, let's try this: Point the camera up at the sky, set to ISO 320, and shoot at 1/15th at f/ 8, with no flash. What do you get? An evenly exposed sky. Obviously, depending on how bright the sky is, it might look just like the majority of the sky visible in pic number 4. Let's assume it is. Now shoot the sky again, this time, throw a ball across the frame while the exposure is made. At 1/15th sec, the ball will obviously not be perfectly frozen in the air, it will be blurred and take on a different shape - more a like a comet - with a round front (in the direction of travel) and a blurry tail. However, at 1/15th sec, with the sky nicely exposed and no flash, the ball will be silhouetted against the sky, so the effect will be a comet-shaped dark area across the nice blue sky. Now, same again, this time add a flash, and the ball will be frozen at the point of the flash firing. If it is on a second-curtain sync setting, then the flash fires right at the *end* of the 1/15th sec exposure, and what is a typical flash duration? 1/20,000th sec? So - now we get the same comet shaped area (the ball) across the frame, but the leading edge of the shape - the actual ball - is now illuminated by the flash. The part of the ball not illuminated by the flash, which is also blurry, is the dark area 'behind' the ball. So - the shadow is actually the ball as it travelled through the frame and before it was lit by the flash. Sorry about the roundabout way I reached this conclusion, but basically thought about it as i typed ;-) Now off to make pizzas as the Mrs has offered to physically remove my typing digits unless I do so immediately HTH Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Saturday afternoon. A lad with a football and a dad with a camera :-) http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Cotty wrote: Saturday afternoon. A lad with a football and a dad with a camera Football? But... it's perfectly round! http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html Furthermore, and I hate to break the news to you, but you have aam acitre case of the F.T. disease! Starts out this way, next comes the bunny ears! Such a business... keith Cheers, Cotty
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Keith Whaley wrote: Cotty wrote: Saturday afternoon. A lad with a football and a dad with a camera Football? But... it's perfectly round! http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html Furthermore, and I hate to break the news to you, but you have aam acitre case of the F.T. disease! That should be ...an acute case... Sighhh. keith Starts out this way, next comes the bunny ears! Such a business... keith Cheers, Cotty
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Hello Cotty, Very fun! Based on the darkness around the edges and the brightness of the lad and grass, that you were using trailing curtain synch with a flash. Very effective. I'm hard pressed to pick a favorite. Nice display of motion. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, March 26, 2005, 11:27:34 AM, you wrote: C Saturday afternoon. A lad with a football and a dad with a camera C :-) C http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html C Cheers, C Cotty C ___/\__ C || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche C ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com C _
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Nice shots, Cotty - is that _real_ motion blur or photoshop motion blur? Either way, several cool shots, nice perspectives. - MCC - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 2:27 PM Subject: Football Tricks Saturday afternoon. A lad with a football and a dad with a camera :-) http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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FT disease? It all seems reasonably sharp to me. Very nice action pic; lighting just about perfect. But I think I'd have ducked! John On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:27:18 -0800, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: Cotty wrote: Saturday afternoon. A lad with a football and a dad with a camera Football? But... it's perfectly round! http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html Furthermore, and I hate to break the news to you, but you have aam acitre case of the F.T. disease! That should be ...an acute case... Sighhh. keith Starts out this way, next comes the bunny ears! Such a business... keith Cheers, Cotty -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.3 - Release Date: 25/03/2005
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On 26/3/05, Mark Cassino, discombobulated, unleashed: Nice shots, Cotty - is that _real_ motion blur or photoshop motion blur? Either way, several cool shots, nice perspectives. Thanks Mark, all real - I'm not a post production freakosaurus ;-) Auto Curves, bit of Unsharp Mask, and maybe a crop, that's all. Thanks! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 26/3/05, Keith Whaley, discombobulated, unleashed: Football? But... it's perfectly round! Hey Keith, take a head count of how many humans would call a football round ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 26/3/05, John Forbes, discombobulated, unleashed: FT disease? It all seems reasonably sharp to me. Very nice action pic; lighting just about perfect. But I think I'd have ducked! John Thx John. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Cotty wrote: On 26/3/05, Keith Whaley, discombobulated, unleashed: Football? But... it's perfectly round! Hey Keith, take a head count of how many humans would call a football round ;-) I know, I know. I've called a football 'round many times, and they never come to me, either. (Uhhh, that's a joke, son...) I expected more whoopin' and hollering, frankly. But maybe you're only the first! I agree. In this world, the vast majority do call one round. Not sure anyone else at ALL has an oblong-shaped one... keith Cheers, Cotty
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On 26/3/05, Keith Whaley, discombobulated, unleashed: I know, I know. I've called a football 'round many times, and they never come to me, either. (Uhhh, that's a joke, son...) I expected more whoopin' and hollering, frankly. But maybe you're only the first! I agree. In this world, the vast majority do call one round. Not sure anyone else at ALL has an oblong-shaped one... I'm only winding your prop Whaley ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Gee Cotty, you need to use faster film Nice to see something different, well done. What does your son think of these? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 26, 2005 2:27 PM To: pentax list pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Football Tricks Saturday afternoon. A lad with a football and a dad with a camera :-) http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
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Cotty wrote: On 26/3/05, Keith Whaley, discombobulated, unleashed: I know, I know. I've called a football 'round many times, and they never come to me, either. (Uhhh, that's a joke, son...) I expected more whoopin' and hollering, frankly. But maybe you're only the first! I agree. In this world, the vast majority do call one round. Not sure anyone else at ALL has an oblong-shaped one... I'm only winding your prop Whaley ;-) Oh, *I* knew that! g keith Cheers, Cotty
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Cotty: I like the way in which you've used the blur to convey motion. A nice bunch! Jim Cotty wrote: Saturday afternoon. A lad with a football and a dad with a camera :-) http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html
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On 26/3/05, Kenneth Waller, discombobulated, unleashed: Gee Cotty, you need to use faster film ;-) ISO 320 about f8 around 1/15th I think... Nice to see something different, well done. Thanks. What does your son think of these? He love's em. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 26/3/05, Jim Hemenway, discombobulated, unleashed: I like the way in which you've used the blur to convey motion. A nice bunch! Thanks Jim. I forgot to select second-curtain sync for the first couple of dozen shots whcih does make a difference on this sort of thing. These were the best of the bunch of about 80-odd frames. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Quoting Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Cotty wrote: Saturday afternoon. A lad with a football and a dad with a camera Football? But... it's perfectly round! http://www.cottysnaps.com/snaps/photoessays/essays/footytricks.html Well, actually, Keith, although footballs *are* supposed to be round, this one looks kinda elongated in one shot. But since the young man isn't wearing armour, he'd still cause confusion in certain quarters. ERNR
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] mused: Well, actually, Keith, although footballs *are* supposed to be round, this one looks kinda elongated in one shot. That's the first thing I noticed, when looking at the shots. But since the young man isn't wearing armour, he'd still cause confusion in certain quarters. Both Aussie rules football (and Rugby football) eschew body armour. And they are played with oval balls (especially after a rough tackle ..)
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Great work, Cotty. Love these. Perfect amount of motion blur. Nice saturated color. Paul
