Re: Fuji RDP Strangeness
"Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The orange mask of the blank C41 strip would let the scanner do the >automatic reversal / color conversion. I suppose you could scan them >separately and then combine the images, assuming you have a filter to invert >C41 (taking into account the orange mask.) I think the approach would be to scan the blank C41 as a *positive" and then combine it with the scan of the other image, probably using the "difference" blending mode and adjusting opacity and brightness. >- MCC >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Mark Cassino Photography >Kalamazoo, MI >www.markcassino.com >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >- Original Message - >From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:58 PM >Subject: Re: Fuji RDP Strangeness > > >> Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>--- Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> You can try sandwiching together a blank piece of >>>> C41 film and your cross processed film, then scanning as >>>> a color neg. The blank bit of film will re-introduce the >>>> brown mask of the color negative film. >>>> >>>I've had film sandwich scans completely unusable due to Newton's >>>Rings which will, at times, be produced where the two films do not >>>meet. >> >> Why not scan the original and the blank negative separately and combine >> them in Photoshop? >> >> -- >> Mark Roberts >> Photography and writing >> www.robertstech.com >> >> -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Fuji RDP Strangeness
The few times this happened to me, I never was able to get good colors. Ironically, the one time I deliberately tried cross processing I used a roll of Tungsten balanced slide film and processed it as a color negative - and it came out looking more or less like a regular negative... I guess the blue bias to the film came out as a yellowish negative... Good luck - MCC - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Fuji RDP Strangeness It's not the color that's the issue, Mark, rather, the scans look grainy, reticulated, and grungy. However, the idea of adding an orange mask sounds interesting might be something to fool around with while recuperating. Shel [Original Message] From: Mark Cassino You can try sandwiching together a blank piece of C41 film and your cross processed film, then scanning as a color neg. The blank bit of film will re-introduce the brown mask of the color negative film. Still probably won't produce very good color, though
Re: Fuji RDP Strangeness
Mark, Separate frame scanning and Photoshop was my solution. Jack --- Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >--- Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> You can try sandwiching together a blank piece of > >> C41 film and your cross processed film, then > scanning as > >> a color neg. The blank bit of film will > re-introduce the > >> brown mask of the color negative film. > >> > >I've had film sandwich scans completely unusable > due to Newton's > >Rings which will, at times, be produced where the > two films do not > >meet. > > Why not scan the original and the blank negative > separately and combine > them in Photoshop? > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com > > __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com
Re: Fuji RDP Strangeness
The orange mask of the blank C41 strip would let the scanner do the automatic reversal / color conversion. I suppose you could scan them separately and then combine the images, assuming you have a filter to invert C41 (taking into account the orange mask.) - MCC - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: Re: Fuji RDP Strangeness Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can try sandwiching together a blank piece of C41 film and your cross processed film, then scanning as a color neg. The blank bit of film will re-introduce the brown mask of the color negative film. I've had film sandwich scans completely unusable due to Newton's Rings which will, at times, be produced where the two films do not meet. Why not scan the original and the blank negative separately and combine them in Photoshop? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Fuji RDP Strangeness
That won't work. You'll end up with an orange image. Scanning both as a negative would strip away the orange. But scanning them individuaslly and combining them will result in an orange image. But I doubt that either method will proiduce anything useful. You would still end up with whatever is on the fuji film, which is probably a cross-processed transparency image. I would suggest examining the cross-processed transparency images carefully. If there is nothing there of value, i would suggest relegating the film to the circular file. paul > Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >--- Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> You can try sandwiching together a blank piece of > >> C41 film and your cross processed film, then scanning as > >> a color neg. The blank bit of film will re-introduce the > >> brown mask of the color negative film. > >> > >I've had film sandwich scans completely unusable due to Newton's > >Rings which will, at times, be produced where the two films do not > >meet. > > Why not scan the original and the blank negative separately and combine > them in Photoshop? > > -- > Mark Roberts > Photography and writing > www.robertstech.com >
Re: Fuji RDP Strangeness
Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >--- Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> You can try sandwiching together a blank piece of >> C41 film and your cross processed film, then scanning as >> a color neg. The blank bit of film will re-introduce the >> brown mask of the color negative film. >> >I've had film sandwich scans completely unusable due to Newton's >Rings which will, at times, be produced where the two films do not >meet. Why not scan the original and the blank negative separately and combine them in Photoshop? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Fuji RDP Strangeness
Mark, May not be at all newsy, but I've had film sandwich scans completely unusable due to Newton's Rings which will, at times, be produced where the two films do not meet. In case you see concentric rings in your scanned image, you've found Mr Newton's rings. Good thought that the RDP may have been cross processed. Jack --- Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can try sandwiching together a blank piece of > C41 film and your cross > processed film, then scanning as a color neg. The > blank bit of film will > re-introduce the brown mask of the color negative > film. > > Still probably won't produce very good color, > though > > - MCC > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Mark Cassino Photography > Kalamazoo, MI > www.markcassino.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - Original Message - > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 12:27 PM > Subject: Fuji RDP Strangeness > > > > Last night I tried scanning what I thought were > some color negs, and the > > results were awful. Upon examining the strips > carefully I noticed that > > there was no orange mask, so I thought that the > film may have been slide > > film. Tried scanning as transparency, and the > results were just as bad. > > Finally I read the film info in the border and > discovered the film to be > > Fuji RDP, which is a slide film. However, all > slide film I've ever seen > > has black borders, this has clear. And the colors > are strange, with a > > subtle and somewhat greenish cast over all. I > also recall getting prints > > from this roll. > > > > So, what kind of weirdness is happening. Maybe > the lab processed it as > > neg > > film - cross processing? > > > > > > Shel > > > > > > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: Fuji RDP Strangeness
It's not the color that's the issue, Mark, rather, the scans look grainy, reticulated, and grungy. However, the idea of adding an orange mask sounds interesting might be something to fool around with while recuperating. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Mark Cassino > You can try sandwiching together a blank piece of C41 film and your cross > processed film, then scanning as a color neg. The blank bit of film will > re-introduce the brown mask of the color negative film. > > Still probably won't produce very good color, though
Re: Fuji RDP Strangeness
You can try sandwiching together a blank piece of C41 film and your cross processed film, then scanning as a color neg. The blank bit of film will re-introduce the brown mask of the color negative film. Still probably won't produce very good color, though - MCC - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Fuji RDP Strangeness Last night I tried scanning what I thought were some color negs, and the results were awful. Upon examining the strips carefully I noticed that there was no orange mask, so I thought that the film may have been slide film. Tried scanning as transparency, and the results were just as bad. Finally I read the film info in the border and discovered the film to be Fuji RDP, which is a slide film. However, all slide film I've ever seen has black borders, this has clear. And the colors are strange, with a subtle and somewhat greenish cast over all. I also recall getting prints from this roll. So, what kind of weirdness is happening. Maybe the lab processed it as neg film - cross processing? Shel
Re: Fuji RDP Strangeness
- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" Subject: Fuji RDP Strangeness Last night I tried scanning what I thought were some color negs, and the results were awful. Upon examining the strips carefully I noticed that there was no orange mask, so I thought that the film may have been slide film. Tried scanning as transparency, and the results were just as bad. Finally I read the film info in the border and discovered the film to be Fuji RDP, which is a slide film. However, all slide film I've ever seen has black borders, this has clear. And the colors are strange, with a subtle and somewhat greenish cast over all. I also recall getting prints from this roll. So, what kind of weirdness is happening. Maybe the lab processed it as neg film - cross processing? The flm was processed in C-41 rather than E-6 chemistry. I've never been able to get good real looking results after making this processing error (well, not me, but my lab). Try scanning as a slide and then invert the image. After that, you can play with the curves for a while. William Robb
Re: Fuji RDP Strangeness
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Last night I tried scanning what I thought were some color negs, and the results were awful. Upon examining the strips carefully I noticed that there was no orange mask, so I thought that the film may have been slide film. Tried scanning as transparency, and the results were just as bad. Finally I read the film info in the border and discovered the film to be Fuji RDP, which is a slide film. However, all slide film I've ever seen has black borders, this has clear. And the colors are strange, with a subtle and somewhat greenish cast over all. I also recall getting prints from this roll. So, what kind of weirdness is happening. Maybe the lab processed it as neg film - cross processing? Shel This sounds like a case of cross processing, yes. Scan it as a negative and experiment with the results. /Henri
Fuji RDP Strangeness
Last night I tried scanning what I thought were some color negs, and the results were awful. Upon examining the strips carefully I noticed that there was no orange mask, so I thought that the film may have been slide film. Tried scanning as transparency, and the results were just as bad. Finally I read the film info in the border and discovered the film to be Fuji RDP, which is a slide film. However, all slide film I've ever seen has black borders, this has clear. And the colors are strange, with a subtle and somewhat greenish cast over all. I also recall getting prints from this roll. So, what kind of weirdness is happening. Maybe the lab processed it as neg film - cross processing? Shel
