Re: Geso: photos taken with Pentax mount glass on full frame, camera
Obviously as Leica is the thinking man's camera, the only sport that matters is chess. On 1/2/2016 2:40 PM, Donald Guthrie wrote: Thanks for the looking, Mark C. I tend to agree so far with your projected use of FF vs APSC. I do not have a FF macro or even long tele to do any close-up work. Birding might be great with a FF Pentax & Paul's new lens, & futile with the Sony A7. In passing, Leica has a new mirror-less "sports" camera at their usual pricing. It offers one lens- a 28-90 for sports??? On 1/1/16 7:57 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 6 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 18:45:05 -0500 From: Mark C To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Geso: photos taken with Pentax mount glass on full frame camera Message-ID:<56870f81.5020...@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Nice collection of images, Don. I really like the first set - the snowy scenes. In many ways I like the effect of the crop factor but will be interested in seeing how the FF works. I wonder if APS-C will still be the way to go for macros and telephoto work, while full frame would have the advantage with landscapes and general shooting. In any case, it's good to see that the old FF pentax glass seems to hold up well. Mark On 12/30/2015 4:17 PM, Donald Guthrie wrote: >As rumors of a Full Frame camera are getting closer to fruition, I >wondered how my pentax mount glass would work. Borrow Lenses offered >me 17 days for a 7 day rental price over the holidays. So I rented a >Sony A7II. My full frame lens collection consisted of Pentax 28mm, >28-70 & 70-200 Tamrons, a 50mm Pentax 42 screw mount Sears labeled >50mm, A Tokina 70 to 200, a Sigma 28mm and Rokinon 14 mm. These photos >are the results of my shooting. I did not take notes on which lenses I >used for the pix and of course the exif is no help. If there is a >specific one of the above lenses you want me to test, let me know and >I will post that one. Most are non or slightly cropped except the one >of all colored glass which is maybe a 90-100% crop. Used a $15 >adaptor. I had no Sony native lenses to use. > >My general impression of FF is nice bokeh and low noise even even >after pulling the shadows up from black. The biggest surprise for me >was how wide a 28mm is and how short a 200 mm is. > >Here are the links to two sets; would be happy to get your opinion on >the photos and to answer any questions you might have. > > >http://adobe.ly/1TqeEeb > >And a second one on an afternoon in a Botanical Center with butterflys >& Plants. . > >http://adobe.ly/1MyGuit > -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso: photos taken with Pentax mount glass on full frame, camera
Thanks for the looking, Mark C. I tend to agree so far with your projected use of FF vs APSC. I do not have a FF macro or even long tele to do any close-up work. Birding might be great with a FF Pentax & Paul's new lens, & futile with the Sony A7. In passing, Leica has a new mirror-less "sports" camera at their usual pricing. It offers one lens- a 28-90 for sports??? On 1/1/16 7:57 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 6 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 18:45:05 -0500 From: Mark C To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Geso: photos taken with Pentax mount glass on full frame camera Message-ID:<56870f81.5020...@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Nice collection of images, Don. I really like the first set - the snowy scenes. In many ways I like the effect of the crop factor but will be interested in seeing how the FF works. I wonder if APS-C will still be the way to go for macros and telephoto work, while full frame would have the advantage with landscapes and general shooting. In any case, it's good to see that the old FF pentax glass seems to hold up well. Mark On 12/30/2015 4:17 PM, Donald Guthrie wrote: >As rumors of a Full Frame camera are getting closer to fruition, I >wondered how my pentax mount glass would work. Borrow Lenses offered >me 17 days for a 7 day rental price over the holidays. So I rented a >Sony A7II. My full frame lens collection consisted of Pentax 28mm, >28-70 & 70-200 Tamrons, a 50mm Pentax 42 screw mount Sears labeled >50mm, A Tokina 70 to 200, a Sigma 28mm and Rokinon 14 mm. These photos >are the results of my shooting. I did not take notes on which lenses I >used for the pix and of course the exif is no help. If there is a >specific one of the above lenses you want me to test, let me know and >I will post that one. Most are non or slightly cropped except the one >of all colored glass which is maybe a 90-100% crop. Used a $15 >adaptor. I had no Sony native lenses to use. > >My general impression of FF is nice bokeh and low noise even even >after pulling the shadows up from black. The biggest surprise for me >was how wide a 28mm is and how short a 200 mm is. > >Here are the links to two sets; would be happy to get your opinion on >the photos and to answer any questions you might have. > > >http://adobe.ly/1TqeEeb > >And a second one on an afternoon in a Botanical Center with butterflys >& Plants. . > >http://adobe.ly/1MyGuit > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso: photos taken with Pentax mount glass on full frame camera
Nice collection of images, Don. I really like the first set - the snowy scenes. In many ways I like the effect of the crop factor but will be interested in seeing how the FF works. I wonder if APS-C will still be the way to go for macros and telephoto work, while full frame would have the advantage with landscapes and general shooting. In any case, it's good to see that the old FF pentax glass seems to hold up well. Mark On 12/30/2015 4:17 PM, Donald Guthrie wrote: As rumors of a Full Frame camera are getting closer to fruition, I wondered how my pentax mount glass would work. Borrow Lenses offered me 17 days for a 7 day rental price over the holidays. So I rented a Sony A7II. My full frame lens collection consisted of Pentax 28mm, 28-70 & 70-200 Tamrons, a 50mm Pentax 42 screw mount Sears labeled 50mm, A Tokina 70 to 200, a Sigma 28mm and Rokinon 14 mm. These photos are the results of my shooting. I did not take notes on which lenses I used for the pix and of course the exif is no help. If there is a specific one of the above lenses you want me to test, let me know and I will post that one. Most are non or slightly cropped except the one of all colored glass which is maybe a 90-100% crop. Used a $15 adaptor. I had no Sony native lenses to use. My general impression of FF is nice bokeh and low noise even even after pulling the shadows up from black. The biggest surprise for me was how wide a 28mm is and how short a 200 mm is. Here are the links to two sets; would be happy to get your opinion on the photos and to answer any questions you might have. http://adobe.ly/1TqeEeb And a second one on an afternoon in a Botanical Center with butterflys & Plants. . http://adobe.ly/1MyGuit --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Re: Geso: photos taken with Pentax mount glass on full frame, camera
Thanks for the look & comments, Alan. These were very informal tests. Many variables go into sharpness. None of these was shot on a tripod for example. Glad you saw some familiar plants; I just love greenery. Yeah it's the math of APSC. that gets to me sometimes. On 1/1/16 7:27 AM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 1 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 06:24:47 +0200 From: "Alan C" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Subject: Re: Geso: photos taken with Pentax mount glass on full frame camera Message-ID: <031254104C51454F9C827185C2FA8E31@AcerTM5744> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Some splendid shots there. Can they really get that much better? The old glass can still do OK for most people. Several of the shots in the greenhouse look like parts of my garden, butterflies & all (but different species). Of course, the "wideness" or "shortness" of the lenses is just a perception - a 28mm is still a 28mmm - we have just become trapped in APSC crop factor mode. Alan C -Original Message- From: Donald Guthrie Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 11:17 PM To:pdml@pdml.net Subject: Geso: photos taken with Pentax mount glass on full frame camera As rumors of a Full Frame camera are getting closer to fruition, I wondered how my pentax mount glass would work. Borrow Lenses offered me 17 days for a 7 day rental price over the holidays. So I rented a Sony A7II. My full frame lens collection consisted of Pentax 28mm, 28-70 & 70-200 Tamrons, a 50mm Pentax 42 screw mount Sears labeled 50mm, A Tokina 70 to 200, a Sigma 28mm and Rokinon 14 mm. These photos are the results of my shooting. I did not take notes on which lenses I used for the pix and of course the exif is no help. If there is a specific one of the above lenses you want me to test, let me know and I will post that one. Most are non or slightly cropped except the one of all colored glass which is maybe a 90-100% crop. Used a $15 adaptor. I had no Sony native lenses to use. My general impression of FF is nice bokeh and low noise even even after pulling the shadows up from black. The biggest surprise for me was how wide a 28mm is and how short a 200 mm is. Here are the links to two sets; would be happy to get your opinion on the photos and to answer any questions you might have. http://adobe.ly/1TqeEeb And a second one on an afternoon in a Botanical Center with butterflys & Plants. . http://adobe.ly/1MyGuit -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso: photos taken with Pentax mount glass on full frame camera
Some splendid shots there. Can they really get that much better? The old glass can still do OK for most people. Several of the shots in the greenhouse look like parts of my garden, butterflies & all (but different species). Of course, the "wideness" or "shortness" of the lenses is just a perception - a 28mm is still a 28mmm - we have just become trapped in APSC crop factor mode. Alan C -Original Message- From: Donald Guthrie Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 11:17 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Geso: photos taken with Pentax mount glass on full frame camera As rumors of a Full Frame camera are getting closer to fruition, I wondered how my pentax mount glass would work. Borrow Lenses offered me 17 days for a 7 day rental price over the holidays. So I rented a Sony A7II. My full frame lens collection consisted of Pentax 28mm, 28-70 & 70-200 Tamrons, a 50mm Pentax 42 screw mount Sears labeled 50mm, A Tokina 70 to 200, a Sigma 28mm and Rokinon 14 mm. These photos are the results of my shooting. I did not take notes on which lenses I used for the pix and of course the exif is no help. If there is a specific one of the above lenses you want me to test, let me know and I will post that one. Most are non or slightly cropped except the one of all colored glass which is maybe a 90-100% crop. Used a $15 adaptor. I had no Sony native lenses to use. My general impression of FF is nice bokeh and low noise even even after pulling the shadows up from black. The biggest surprise for me was how wide a 28mm is and how short a 200 mm is. Here are the links to two sets; would be happy to get your opinion on the photos and to answer any questions you might have. http://adobe.ly/1TqeEeb And a second one on an afternoon in a Botanical Center with butterflys & Plants. . http://adobe.ly/1MyGuit -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re:Re: Geso: photos taken with Pentax mount glass on full frame, camera
Bob, Thanks for taking time to look at the photos & thanks for your generous remarks on my photography. Oh I did shoot film, slides mostly and developed and printed my own. I was shooting a Ricoh with pentax mount lenses because I could not afford the real thing. 90% with that Sears branded 50mm and & 10% with cheap telephoto. No wide angle. My 1st real digital was Pentax 200D. This little experiment was to see which lenses would carry over to Pentax FF and if not, it does not bode well for the success of Pentax FF. If as you say (I I do not dispute) the buyer needs to buy new higher quality and higher priced glass the why go Pentax? Just go Canikon! Unless the Pentax is so inexpensive it lessens the blow of new lenses. Sony has the merit of smaller sized cameras for FF. But it turns out that fast FF lenses are rather large. The A7 & a 35mm lens weighs 3 lbs and ain't pocketable. Advantage Olympus for size & weight. back to Canikon for lens selection. If I were to go Sony their 35mm ($1500) and 50mm ($1000) are among the sharpest lenses ever tested. Money no object it is still a big commitment. Many people on the web are raving about using Leica glass on the A7 but we all know those are pricy too. And all adapted lenses are manual exposure & focus. Except for Canon lenses which work as native on Sony with a $3000 dollar adapter. I would keep Pentax cameras & some lenses for sports, birds, if nothing else for the reach of the teles. & my K01 with a pancake or even the 18-135 is a fun kit for the casual walkabout. Thanks again for giving me all this food for thought. On 12/30/15 5:28 PM, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: n 30 Dec 2015, at 21:19, Donald Guthrie wrote: > >As rumors of a Full Frame camera are getting closer to fruition, I wondered how my pentax mount glass would work. Borrow Lenses offered me 17 days for a 7 day rental price over the holidays. So I rented a Sony A7II. My full frame lens collection consisted of Pentax 28mm, 28-70 & 70-200 Tamrons, a 50mm Pentax 42 screw mount Sears labeled 50mm, A Tokina 70 to 200, a Sigma 28mm and Rokinon 14 mm. These photos are the results of my shooting. I did not take notes on which lenses I used for the pix and of course the exif is no help. If there is a specific one of the above lenses you want me to test, let me know and I will post that one. Most are non or slightly cropped except the one of all colored glass which is maybe a 90-100% crop. Used a $15 adaptor. I had no Sony native lenses to use. > >My general impression of FF is nice bokeh and low noise even even after pulling the shadows up from black. The biggest surprise for me was how wide a 28mm is and how short a 200 mm is. I guess from that that you've only ever shot digital! > >Here are the links to two sets; would be happy to get your opinion on the photos and to answer any questions you might have. > > >http://adobe.ly/1TqeEeb > >And a second one on an afternoon in a Botanical Center with butterflys & Plants. . > >http://adobe.ly/1MyGuit > They're nice photos, well composed and well lit. When I moved from film to digital I had a very high quality Contax / Zeiss film kit. Using the lenses with an adapter on Olympus 4/3rds gear I noticed very significant purple fringing with some of the lenses, which meant they were effectively useless for digital, so I sold all the Contax / Zeiss stuff. So the first thing I looked for on your shots was purple fringing because I think (could be wrong) that it results from the different alignment of pixels and film wrt the light path, and subsequent interference between pixels. I didn't notice any in the shots of yours that I looked at. What I did notice is that at full magnification your shots are softer than the quality of your photography deserves. You don't say specifically which models of lenses you use, but I suspect the softness is in the glass, not including the fullness of the frame. You should try and get hold of two or three equivalent focal length Sony lenses and shoot comparisons with your lenses under controlled conditions, as best you can. Your pictures deserve better lenses. Go for quality rather than quantity. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Geso: photos taken with Pentax mount glass on full frame camera
On 30 Dec 2015, at 21:19, Donald Guthrie wrote: > > As rumors of a Full Frame camera are getting closer to fruition, I wondered > how my pentax mount glass would work. Borrow Lenses offered me 17 days for a > 7 day rental price over the holidays. So I rented a Sony A7II. My full frame > lens collection consisted of Pentax 28mm, 28-70 & 70-200 Tamrons, a 50mm > Pentax 42 screw mount Sears labeled 50mm, A Tokina 70 to 200, a Sigma 28mm > and Rokinon 14 mm. These photos are the results of my shooting. I did not > take notes on which lenses I used for the pix and of course the exif is no > help. If there is a specific one of the above lenses you want me to test, let > me know and I will post that one. Most are non or slightly cropped except the > one of all colored glass which is maybe a 90-100% crop. Used a $15 adaptor. I > had no Sony native lenses to use. > > My general impression of FF is nice bokeh and low noise even even after > pulling the shadows up from black. The biggest surprise for me was how wide a > 28mm is and how short a 200 mm is. I guess from that that you've only ever shot digital! > > Here are the links to two sets; would be happy to get your opinion on the > photos and to answer any questions you might have. > > > http://adobe.ly/1TqeEeb > > And a second one on an afternoon in a Botanical Center with butterflys & > Plants. . > > http://adobe.ly/1MyGuit > They're nice photos, well composed and well lit. When I moved from film to digital I had a very high quality Contax / Zeiss film kit. Using the lenses with an adapter on Olympus 4/3rds gear I noticed very significant purple fringing with some of the lenses, which meant they were effectively useless for digital, so I sold all the Contax / Zeiss stuff. So the first thing I looked for on your shots was purple fringing because I think (could be wrong) that it results from the different alignment of pixels and film wrt the light path, and subsequent interference between pixels. I didn't notice any in the shots of yours that I looked at. What I did notice is that at full magnification your shots are softer than the quality of your photography deserves. You don't say specifically which models of lenses you use, but I suspect the softness is in the glass, not including the fullness of the frame. You should try and get hold of two or three equivalent focal length Sony lenses and shoot comparisons with your lenses under controlled conditions, as best you can. Your pictures deserve better lenses. Go for quality rather than quantity. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Geso: photos taken with Pentax mount glass on full frame camera
As rumors of a Full Frame camera are getting closer to fruition, I wondered how my pentax mount glass would work. Borrow Lenses offered me 17 days for a 7 day rental price over the holidays. So I rented a Sony A7II. My full frame lens collection consisted of Pentax 28mm, 28-70 & 70-200 Tamrons, a 50mm Pentax 42 screw mount Sears labeled 50mm, A Tokina 70 to 200, a Sigma 28mm and Rokinon 14 mm. These photos are the results of my shooting. I did not take notes on which lenses I used for the pix and of course the exif is no help. If there is a specific one of the above lenses you want me to test, let me know and I will post that one. Most are non or slightly cropped except the one of all colored glass which is maybe a 90-100% crop. Used a $15 adaptor. I had no Sony native lenses to use. My general impression of FF is nice bokeh and low noise even even after pulling the shadows up from black. The biggest surprise for me was how wide a 28mm is and how short a 200 mm is. Here are the links to two sets; would be happy to get your opinion on the photos and to answer any questions you might have. http://adobe.ly/1TqeEeb And a second one on an afternoon in a Botanical Center with butterflys & Plants. . http://adobe.ly/1MyGuit -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
