Re: Gettiong Back to Basics
frank theriault wrote: > Miles Davis seemed to have had an incredible knack for "scouting" up and coming >talent, > who gained their initial popularity in his group - Bill Evans and John Coltrane on >"Kind > of Blue", and later, Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter, etc - and then went on to >tremendous > individual popularity. Maybe it's because Davis himself, as an unknown teenager, > somehow hooked up with the likes of Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie in New York in > the '40's, as the bebop revolution was on the upswing. Back in the early 1980s I had the good fortune to do some (unpaid) underground radio. About three times a year I'd put together a show on the theme "The Children of Miles." Never ran out of material... Miles was a great nurturer of musicians, as was Duke, John Mayall, and Zappa. Hey, we've got enough material here to hijack the list for weeks! > But, none of this has anything to do with Pentax cameras... :-) Well, we all shoot Pentax, don't we? regards, Stephen Moore __ "You got a Zarg in here? Are you *nuts*??? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Jazz (Was Re: Gettiong Back to Basics)
Dear MZ3_fella Do you have a name? Is there a reason why you want to remain anonymous on this list? It would be nice to know who we're talking to. MZ3_fella _ wrote: > > Brubeck may have been "too European / milky / white / etc" > but he was definitely an innovator. His 'Jazz Impressions > of Eurasia' album preceeded the 'world music' movement by > about 30 years. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Jazz (Was Re: Gettiong Back to Basics)
Brubeck may have been "too European / milky / white / etc" but he was definitely an innovator. His 'Jazz Impressions of Eurasia' album preceeded the 'world music' movement by about 30 years. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Gettiong Back to Basics
How about that... now there are two pdml'ers who started developing their own film after many years!!! It's sorta exciting for the first time after a long time, isn't it? Gabe - Original Message - From: "John Coyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:11 AM Subject: Gettiong Back to Basics > Had the chance tonight, for the first time in about five years, to do a couple > of things I haven't done for ages. > First, I developed a film! Yes, I know, you guys do it all the time, but for > family reasons, I've most recently shot mainly colour neg, and this would be > the first B&W I've done in all that time. HP5, rated at 800 ASA, in ID11 at > 24C for 6 minutes (when the ambient temperature is 32C, ya gotta make some > compromises!). The negs look really good, plenty of tonal range, I'll be very > keen to scan them in tomorrow and see how the sharpness, etc looks. Might even > do some wet darkroom work on them! > > Next, while the film was washing and drying,I took myself on to our deck, sat, > drank coffee and Armagnac, watched the city lights and listened to some 1950's > jazz (Chris Barbers' Jazz Band, for those who know it). Way cool! and I > noticed a couple of 20 somethings in the apartment above were sitting out > listening for the whole two hours of the CD too! May be able to educate them > yet! > > Pure heaven! > > John Coyle > (and yes, my wife is away helping to look after our twin grand-daughters, so I > can be totally self-indulgent!) > Brisbane, Australia > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Gettiong Back to Basics
On Thursday, January 10, 2002, at 06:58 PM, frank theriault wrote: > All of which reminds me that I gotta rent it soon - maybe this weekend. > Haven't seen it since it was at the theatres. Me neither. I oughta buy it, I loved it. But like the subject line says, let's get back to basics! There are absolutely no Pentax cameras in Woody Allen's Sweet and Lowdown, an oversight that perhaps Mister Allen can correct with digital imaging for the upcoming Sweet and Lowdown: Special Director's Cut. What other movies would be better with Pentaxes in them? -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Jazz (Was Re: Gettiong Back to Basics)
Frank, Yes, that is much as I thought. I can see why some thought his stuff was "milky" compared to his contemporaries but I love him. He has had quite a bit of success. I think to say he had little impact on the evolution of Jazz would be unfair. At the very least he turned on a lot of people to a kind of music they may not have been exposed to before. brendan M. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Gettiong Back to Basics
Someone in the music business told me that "Kind of Blue" is the best selling Jazz album of all time. Might be ... it's great! frank theriault wrote: > Strange, but as I started reading through this thread, I had Miles Davis' > "Nefertiti" on the CD, blasting nice and loud. Probably his strongest over-all > band, with Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter, Wayne Shorter. I know, I know, some of his > '50's bands were pretty amazing, too, especially the musicians on "Kind of Blue" > (hard to beat Coltrane, Evans and Adderly...). I could argue with myself for > hours. > > I know it ain't about Pentax, but ya gotta love jazz! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Jazz (Was Re: Gettiong Back to Basics)
Hi, Brendan, Brubeck was criticized for all those things - as you said, unfairly. One of the criticisms that I read of him is that his "European" classical influences, including his unusual time signatures moved jazz away from it's "roots"; that he played a "white" jazz (please excuse the racial reference - I don't agree with the assessment, I'm passing on what I've read in more than one place), and catered to white middle-class college students. Truth is, I think he was criticized because he was popular. He sold boatloads of albums, and continues to do so. I could be wrong, but I would guess that after Davis' "Kind of Blue", "Take Five" is probably the best selling jazz album of all time, or pretty damn close. Nothing breeds contempt like success... regards, frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Why has Brubeck been criticized anyway? > > Too commercial? Odd time sigs? Didn't swing? (I don't buy that)... > > For putting a waltz on Take Five? > > Brendan MacRae > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Gettiong Back to Basics
Anyone here who loves (or even likes) jazz, or Woody Allen for that matter, should see "Sweet and Low" (I think that was the title), Woody's faux-documentary of a 30's or 40's jazz guitarist. Sean Penn plays the guitarist. I think it was released around 2 years ago. Great flick, great soundtrack. Strange, but as I started reading through this thread, I had Miles Davis' "Nefertiti" on the CD, blasting nice and loud. Probably his strongest over-all band, with Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter, Wayne Shorter. I know, I know, some of his '50's bands were pretty amazing, too, especially the musicians on "Kind of Blue" (hard to beat Coltrane, Evans and Adderly...). I could argue with myself for hours. I know it ain't about Pentax, but ya gotta love jazz! regards, frank Mark Roberts wrote: > >Don't you mean Woody Herman? Woody Allen is a comedian. > > Comedian and Jazz clarinetist. In fact, he skipped the Academy Awards ceremony > when he won his first Oscar (for Annie Hall) and played a gig with his band > instead. > > -- > Mark Roberts > www.robertstech.com > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Jazz (Was Re: Gettiong Back to Basics)
Why has Brubeck been criticized anyway? Too commercial? Odd time sigs? Didn't swing? (I don't buy that)... For putting a waltz on Take Five? Brendan MacRae - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Jazz (Was Re: Gettiong Back to Basics)
Robert Soames Wetmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, cool! I'm a pianist and a major fan of Brubeck and Monk, myself. I > had disc four of the Time Signatures box set in my cd player as I read this > message! Tritonis is one kickin' song - great latter day Brubeck (playing a > different time signature and key signature in each hand!). Hi Rob, You made me wish to hear that piece! I started last year a collaboration with a group for slide projections during their concerts (mostly Irish traditional songs), and the pianist proposed me to accompany him playing early Brubeck pieces with my photos. We had a great time taking shots of him playing piano and discussing how could be possible to represent with photography the sound and the emotions expressed by the music (good old acoustic photography!). We have another concert/slideshow dedicated to Brubeck on the 19th. This time the program includes Take Five, too, although I think I'm not going to accompany it. Too difficult to find pictures that can match. Gianfranco = Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Gettiong Back to Basics
Look for "Wild Man Blues" on CD. "Paris, Leonard" wrote: > > There's a Trivial Pursuit factoid. I've listened to lots of Woody Herman > recordings but never heard one of Woody Allen's. Recording must not have > been one of the venues he performed in. > > Of course, I might be thinking of the wrong Woody Allen. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Gettiong Back to Basics
>Don't you mean Woody Herman? Woody Allen is a comedian. Comedian and Jazz clarinetist. In fact, he skipped the Academy Awards ceremony when he won his first Oscar (for Annie Hall) and played a gig with his band instead. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Gettiong Back to Basics
There's a Trivial Pursuit factoid. I've listened to lots of Woody Herman recordings but never heard one of Woody Allen's. Recording must not have been one of the venues he performed in. Of course, I might be thinking of the wrong Woody Allen. Len --- Woody Allen is an accomplished clarinet player, and has performed frequently in and around NYC, as well as in other venues. "Paris, Leonard" wrote: > > Don't you mean Woody Herman? Woody Allen is a comedian. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Gettiong Back to Basics
Hi ... I'm sure you'll enjoy it. The album, originally recorded in 1963, features 'trane, McCoy Tyner, Jimmy Garrison, and Elvin Jones, with Hartman doing the vocals. There are but six cuts - They Say It's Wonderful; Dedicated to You; My One and Only Love; Lush Life; You Are Too Beautiful; and Autumn Serenade. If you're not familiar with Hartman, this is a good introduction, and Coltrane plays in a very mellow, melodic manner. A few months after recording this album, Hartman got together with Hank Jones, Illinois Jacquet, Kenny Burrel, Milt Hinton, and Elvin Jones, and recorded "I Just Dropped By to Say Hello", an album in a similar mood. His music was also featured in the movie "Bridges of Madison County." Check out the CD "Remembering Madison County" for a real treat. Listen, I could go on for hours about this guy ... As for myself, I like all kinds of music, from classical to hip-hop. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Shel... > > I have the Monk album (Riverside label) > that Coltrane plays on. Great stuff. I > look for the Hartman CD next time I'm out. > > I was raised on rock 'n roll but I find > myself drifting further into jazz. I > love new orleans jazz, like the stuff > Woody Allen plays with his group. The > Squirrel Nut Zippers do that kind of > music (with a modern flair) and it's great > fun. I really love bebop the most...Diz and > Bird, older stuff. > > When I go to Tower records now I pass most > of the rock stuff and head into the jazz > section. I spend too much time and money > there. It's like going to a photo shop! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Gettiong Back to Basics
Len! Woody Allen...comedian, writer-director, filmmaker! You mean you haven't heard his band? Actually, for folks like me he's a filmmaker but he's also a clarinetist. He's got a little combo that plays Monday nights in NYC. There's an interesting film by Barbara Koppel called, "Wild Man Blues," about Woody and his group touring through Europe a few years back. Neat stuff. He's not the world's best musician, but then he's nowhere near the worst either. Not a bad filmmaker, either. He's won at least one Oscar. He wasn't there to accept it (for Annie Hall) as the story goes, since the Oscars used to be on Monday nights and he always gigs on Mondays. Brendan MacRae - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Gettiong Back to Basics
Maybe music just lends itself to darkroom work. I often find myself tuning into Radio Havana's Cuban Jazz programming when I processing my negatives. Evan "Shel Belinkoff" wrote: > Hi John ... > > You've discovered one of the great pleasure for a photographer - > developing film and the enjoyment of music combined. Last night was > Tri-X night here, accompanied by some country music - Wayne Hancock's > "Thunderclouds and Neons Signs" and the sound track to "Horse > Whisperer". Listening to the music while actually processing the film > gives me a little lift. Tonight will be a sixties festival, with the > Shirelles and some Phil Spector produced tracks. > > I hope you have many more chances to be "self-indulgent". - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Gettiong Back to Basics
Woody Allen is an accomplished clarinet player, and has performed frequently in and around NYC, as well as in other venues. "Paris, Leonard" wrote: > > Don't you mean Woody Herman? Woody Allen is a comedian. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Gettiong Back to Basics
Don't you mean Woody Herman? Woody Allen is a comedian. Len --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gettiong Back to Basics Shel... I have the Monk album (Riverside label) that Coltrane plays on. Great stuff. I look for the Hartman CD next time I'm out. I was raised on rock 'n roll but I find myself drifting further into jazz. I love new orleans jazz, like the stuff Woody Allen plays with his group. The Squirrel Nut Zippers do that kind of music (with a modern flair) and it's great fun. I really love bebop the most...Diz and Bird, older stuff. When I go to Tower records now I pass most of the rock stuff and head into the jazz section. I spend too much time and money there. It's like going to a photo shop! Brendan M. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Jazz (Was Re: Gettiong Back to Basics)
Hey, cool! I'm a pianist and a major fan of Brubeck and Monk, myself. I had disc four of the Time Signatures box set in my cd player as I read this message! Tritonis is one kickin' song - great latter day Brubeck (playing a different time signature and key signature in each hand!). Brubeck takes some criticism, but did you know that both Cecil Taylor and Bill Evans liked Brubeck and cited him as an influence? Monk, of course, is almost beyond criticism. Few cover Brubeck; many cover Monk, but almost no-one really *can*! I also enjoy Coltrane and all the Impulse tenors and sax players - Pharoah, Barbieri, etc. Also love Mingus and Steve Grossman and Borah Bergman and Ivo Perelman and Tony Williams and Eric Dolphy and ... Well, I could keep going - but I won't. Maybe I'll go talk Pentax on a music e-group! :-) Rob >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:24:04 EST >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Gettiong Back to Basics > >Ahhh jazz... > >Love it, love it. > >Big time T. Monk fan, here. Was listening to Brubeck last night while >net >surfin'. > >Coltrane followed... > >da da da da da, boom BOOM! > >Great stuff to listen to while developing. > >Brendan MacRae _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Gettiong Back to Basics
Good Morning, If you haven't already, you might want to check out the John Coltrane/Johnny Hartman CD. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Coltrane followed... > Great stuff to listen to while developing. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Gettiong Back to Basics
Hi John ... You've discovered one of the great pleasure for a photographer - developing film and the enjoyment of music combined. Last night was Tri-X night here, accompanied by some country music - Wayne Hancock's "Thunderclouds and Neons Signs" and the sound track to "Horse Whisperer". Listening to the music while actually processing the film gives me a little lift. Tonight will be a sixties festival, with the Shirelles and some Phil Spector produced tracks. I hope you have many more chances to be "self-indulgent". Coyle wrote: > > Had the chance tonight, for the first time in about five years, to do a couple > of things I haven't done for ages. > First, I developed a film! Yes, I know, you guys do it all the time, but for > family reasons, I've most recently shot mainly colour neg, and this would be > the first B&W I've done in all that time. HP5, rated at 800 ASA, in ID11 at > 24C for 6 minutes (when the ambient temperature is 32C, ya gotta make some > compromises!). The negs look really good, plenty of tonal range, I'll be very > keen to scan them in tomorrow and see how the sharpness, etc looks. Might even > do some wet darkroom work on them! > > Next, while the film was washing and drying,I took myself on to our deck, sat, > drank coffee and Armagnac, watched the city lights and listened to some 1950's > jazz (Chris Barbers' Jazz Band, for those who know it). Way cool! and I > noticed a couple of 20 somethings in the apartment above were sitting out > listening for the whole two hours of the CD too! May be able to educate them > yet! > > Pure heaven! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Gettiong Back to Basics
Ahhh jazz... Love it, love it. Big time T. Monk fan, here. Was listening to Brubeck last night while net surfin'. Coltrane followed... da da da da da, boom BOOM! Great stuff to listen to while developing. Brendan MacRae - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Gettiong Back to Basics
Had the chance tonight, for the first time in about five years, to do a couple of things I haven't done for ages. First, I developed a film! Yes, I know, you guys do it all the time, but for family reasons, I've most recently shot mainly colour neg, and this would be the first B&W I've done in all that time. HP5, rated at 800 ASA, in ID11 at 24C for 6 minutes (when the ambient temperature is 32C, ya gotta make some compromises!). The negs look really good, plenty of tonal range, I'll be very keen to scan them in tomorrow and see how the sharpness, etc looks. Might even do some wet darkroom work on them! Next, while the film was washing and drying,I took myself on to our deck, sat, drank coffee and Armagnac, watched the city lights and listened to some 1950's jazz (Chris Barbers' Jazz Band, for those who know it). Way cool! and I noticed a couple of 20 somethings in the apartment above were sitting out listening for the whole two hours of the CD too! May be able to educate them yet! Pure heaven! John Coyle (and yes, my wife is away helping to look after our twin grand-daughters, so I can be totally self-indulgent!) Brisbane, Australia - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
