Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[Ann Sanfedele]

Hi, Pj - yeah it isn't looking good - but especially painful when self 
inflicted
thank goodness I had the habit of reviewing photos pretty soon after 
taking them.


and then there are the 500,000 or so photos I have as slides and prints
from 40 years for film work.  so things are not so terrible.

ann

On 12/16/2013 20:55, P.J. Alling wrote:

Ann, if you defragged the disk, the files are now pretty much
unrecoverable.  While some of the space used by the files may not have
been overwritten, the directory structures have all been rewritten.
Anything left will most likely be recoverable only as fragments.

On 12/16/2013 7:30 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

thanks for all your input guys,
Attila you were most helpful...

Just FYI everyone  -
The dumb thing I did was to click/say "yes" when it asked if I wanted
to really really really delete - because I thought I was deleting a
duplicate folder.

I think I'm probably screwed because I defragged thinking it would know
the difference between always was empty and hidden deleted files.

FIRST thing I'm doing is getting another drive and copying everything
to it as it is now... then see if I can recover anything from the
original one.

but at the moment there is too much going on that has to be done
in other areas to worry about 1 years worth of photos that I probably
will forget I took next year anyway.

All your letters and info is being saved

back to cleaning house, selling on ebay, gathering christmas items,etc.

ann


On 12/16/2013 17:19, Attila Boros wrote:

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, John  wrote:


I don't think the clusters are actually marked as free until you
"empty" the
"Recycle Bin".


Correct. I was assuming she did that, otherwise it's a very easy fix.








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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[John]

Yeah, but with XP when files are too large to fit in the recycle bin you 
get a warning message asking if you're sure you really want to delete it.


On 12/16/2013 8:46 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

No that would depend.  If the entire file structure was deleted, say a
directory and all sub directories, then the entire directory would be
marked as deleted if it were larger than the space allocated for the
recycle bin. I expect that Ann's photo directory is larger than that
space...

On 12/16/2013 5:19 PM, Attila Boros wrote:

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, John  wrote:


I don't think the clusters are actually marked as free until you
"empty" the
"Recycle Bin".

Correct. I was assuming she did that, otherwise it's a very easy fix.






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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[steve harley]

on 2013-12-16 15:20 Larry Colen wrote

Just out of curiousity, is anybody else planning on updating their
backups as soon as they get home?


don't just update them, verify them!

Friday was International Verify Your Backups Day:







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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[P.J. Alling]

Ann, if you defragged the disk, the files are now pretty much 
unrecoverable.  While some of the space used by the files may not have 
been overwritten, the directory structures have all been rewritten.  
Anything left will most likely be recoverable only as fragments.


On 12/16/2013 7:30 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

thanks for all your input guys,
Attila you were most helpful...

Just FYI everyone  -
The dumb thing I did was to click/say "yes" when it asked if I wanted 
to really really really delete - because I thought I was deleting a 
duplicate folder.


I think I'm probably screwed because I defragged thinking it would know
the difference between always was empty and hidden deleted files.

FIRST thing I'm doing is getting another drive and copying everything
to it as it is now... then see if I can recover anything from the
original one.

but at the moment there is too much going on that has to be done
in other areas to worry about 1 years worth of photos that I probably 
will forget I took next year anyway.


All your letters and info is being saved

back to cleaning house, selling on ebay, gathering christmas items,etc.

ann


On 12/16/2013 17:19, Attila Boros wrote:

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, John  wrote:

I don't think the clusters are actually marked as free until you 
"empty" the

"Recycle Bin".


Correct. I was assuming she did that, otherwise it's a very easy fix.






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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[P.J. Alling]

No that would depend.  If the entire file structure was deleted, say a 
directory and all sub directories, then the entire directory would be 
marked as deleted if it were larger than the space allocated for the 
recycle bin. I expect that Ann's photo directory is larger than that 
space...


On 12/16/2013 5:19 PM, Attila Boros wrote:

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, John  wrote:


I don't think the clusters are actually marked as free until you "empty" the
"Recycle Bin".

Correct. I was assuming she did that, otherwise it's a very easy fix.




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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[Paul Sorenson]

Sandisk Rescue Pro...

http://download.cnet.com/RescuePRO-Standard/3000-2242_4-10841762.html

On 12/16/2013 4:16 PM, John wrote:

On 12/16/2013 1:54 PM, CollinB wrote:

This seems to be a common misconception. For details:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en


-us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true


On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones)
will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The
Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive.


So the deleted files *may* be on her main system?





They should be in the "Recycle Bin" on whatever drive they were deleted
from.



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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[Ann Sanfedele]

thanks for all your input guys,
Attila you were most helpful...

Just FYI everyone  -
The dumb thing I did was to click/say "yes" when it asked if I wanted to 
really really really delete - because I thought I was deleting a 
duplicate folder.


I think I'm probably screwed because I defragged thinking it would know
the difference between always was empty and hidden deleted files.

FIRST thing I'm doing is getting another drive and copying everything
to it as it is now... then see if I can recover anything from the
original one.

but at the moment there is too much going on that has to be done
in other areas to worry about 1 years worth of photos that I probably 
will forget I took next year anyway.


All your letters and info is being saved

back to cleaning house, selling on ebay, gathering christmas items,etc.

ann


On 12/16/2013 17:19, Attila Boros wrote:

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, John  wrote:


I don't think the clusters are actually marked as free until you "empty" the
"Recycle Bin".


Correct. I was assuming she did that, otherwise it's a very easy fix.



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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[Attila Boros]

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> Just out of curiousity, is anybody else planning on updating their
> backups as soon as they get home?

Good call:) This reminds me one of my favorite quotes "The universe
tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it." from here:
http://www.jwz.org/doc/backups.html

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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[John]

USB drives are not network drives, but you do have to watch out for the
message "such & so is too large to fit in the recycle bin. Do you want
to delete it permanently?" (or some such).

I think they may still be recoverable even then if you don't write
anything else to the drive after choosing permanent deletion, but it's
going to take some kind of un-delete/file recovery software to do so.

On 12/16/2013 2:07 PM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun wrote:

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM, CollinB  wrote:

This seems to be a common misconception. For details:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en

-us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true


On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones)
will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The
Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive.


So the deleted files *may* be on her main system?



 I'm quoting and annotating the document that Attila was referring to:


The Recycle Bin provides a safety net when deleting files or folders.
When you delete any of these items from your hard disk, Windows places
it in the Recycle Bin and the Recycle Bin icon changes from empty to
full. Items deleted from a floppy disk or a network drive are
permanently deleted and are not sent to the Recycle Bin.


 The key words are "floppy disk or a network drive", which if I'm
not mistake are what Windows XP thinks about removable drives (even if
their underlaying technology is a rotating disk, flash drive, SSD, or
plain old floppy).


 Fortunately the "permanently deleted" phrase is not almost always
true, as the data still lingers on the drive for a "while" (i.e. until
something else over-writes it.)

 Small detour: for SSD drives, or other types of hardware,
supporting the `TRIM` (or was it `DISCARD`?) operation, and for those
file-systems that support that operation (I know some only on Linux),
this deletion becomes quite "permanent" for the "usual" user.  (I.e.
I'm certain that specialized people could get back the data, but only
through specialized hardware and software.)



Windows allocates one Recycle Bin for each partition or hard disk. If
your hard disk is partitioned, or if you have more than one hard disk
in your computer, you can specify a different size for each Recycle
Bin.


 This means that for the deletion to `Recycle Bin`, Windows won't
move your files from one disk to another.  (I.e. if you delete your
files and then format the disk, the `Recycle Bin` and its files on
that disk also disappear.)

 Ciprian.



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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[Larry Colen]

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:19:16AM +0200, Attila Boros wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> > I don't think the clusters are actually marked as free until you "empty" the
> > "Recycle Bin".
> 
> Correct. I was assuming she did that, otherwise it's a very easy fix.

Just out of curiousity, is anybody else planning on updating their
backups as soon as they get home?

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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[Attila Boros]

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, John  wrote:

> I don't think the clusters are actually marked as free until you "empty" the
> "Recycle Bin".

Correct. I was assuming she did that, otherwise it's a very easy fix.

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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[John]

On 12/16/2013 1:54 PM, CollinB wrote:

This seems to be a common misconception. For details:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en

-us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true


On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones)
will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The
Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive.


So the deleted files *may* be on her main system?





They should be in the "Recycle Bin" on whatever drive they were deleted 
from.


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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[John]

On 12/16/2013 1:30 PM, Attila Boros wrote:

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:


through a series of hitting keys in error and then hitting one wrong
intentionally but wrongly I basically deleted most of the photos I
took with the Ist-d and K-5 ..





been told that even though I deleted the files they are really still there
(hear that a lot - after all I watch Bones and NCIS)


Correct, the data is still there, but the clusters containing the data
are now marked as free, meaning they can be overwritten any time if
you write on the drive. As a rule DO NOT write anything on that drive
until all your data is recovered. Not even as part of the recovery
process, choose to recover your data on another drive. This way you
can try multiple tools and see what works for you without doing
further damage.

I have used Advanced NTFS Undelete with very good results:
http://www.datanumen.com/ntfs-undelete/
This is assuming you have a NTFS file system on that drive. Right
click on the drive, choose Properties from the context menu, the file
system type is displayed on the "General" tab.

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I don't think the clusters are actually marked as free until you "empty" 
the "Recycle Bin".


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[John]

If you haven't emptied the "Recycle Bin" folder, they may still be in there.

Right click the "Recycle Bin" and select "explore".

If they're in there right click the folder and select "restore".

That will put them back to where they were before you deleted them.

On 12/16/2013 12:11 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I'm calmer now than when I caused this little disaster on saturday..

through a series of hitting keys in error and then hitting one wrong
intentionally but wrongly I basically deleted most of the photos I
took with the Ist-d and K-5 ..

windoze Xp is my system.  I say "most" because anything i thought was
actually good was put on smugmug, some were also put in different folders.

all the files were under two folders , that ended up as subdirectories
someplace they should not have been. in moving them around in Windows
explorer they got deleted in error.

Yes yes I stupidly said I really wanted to delete those files
not realizing the files I didn't mean to delete were sub-folders
of the one I did mean to delete.

These are/were on my 1 Terrabit external harddrive on E, none of them
are on my C drive.

The harddrive is seagate with memeo which I had as a trial and , alas,
never paid for when it came time to buy - nevermind why.. I didn't do it.

been told that even though I deleted the files they are really still
there (hear that a lot - after all I watch Bones and NCIS)

My files were always uploaded using the date shot as a subdirectory (um
"folder" in current parlance) under ALLPENTAXASOFFEB142011  or
ALLPentaxK5asofJuly2013

Unless I put them on smugmug, I've lost everything I shot with the K-5
between end of July and december5th.
LIkewise, if I didn't transfer images to a different folder or load to
smugmug, I lost all the photos between Feb142011 and february 26th, 2013

I wouldnt ahve written such detail here except I need to remember it..

So , is there any hope for recovery?  I'm trying to convince myself
that if I didnt send a file to smugmug it wasnt worth much, but I
know I had a lot of stuff photographed that I intended to list for
sale that was lost but I know I had some stuff that was kind
important that didnt go to smugmug.

Anything I took with the little darkside camera is safe

what do I do?

ann the idiot





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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[Attila Boros]

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:19 PM, John Francis  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 01:54:18PM -0500, CollinB wrote:

>> So the deleted files *may* be on her main system?
>
> No. They may be in a recycle bin on the external drive.

What John said. Each drive has it's own space for the Recycle Bin, you
can see a $RECYCLE.BIN directory on the drive (it's hidden).

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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[alban bernard]

You should have a look at these tools:

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec
or
https://github.com/samueltardieu/recoverjpeg

Recoverjpeg served me well in the past: it successfully recovered jpg files 
from a damaged usb stick and some sdcards. Its installation is straightforward 
under an Ubuntu live CD.

Photorec seems to be able to recover jpeg, raw pef and dng...


On Monday, December 16, 2013 7:57 PM, CollinB  wrote:

>This seems to be a common misconception. For details:
>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en
-us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true
>
>On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones)
>will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The
>Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive.

So the deleted files *may* be on her main system?



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[John Francis]

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 01:54:18PM -0500, CollinB wrote:
> >This seems to be a common misconception. For details:
> >http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en
> -us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true
> >
> >On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones)
> >will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The
> >Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive.
> 
> So the deleted files *may* be on her main system?

No. They may be in a recycle bin on the external drive.

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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[Ciprian Dorin Craciun]

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM, CollinB  wrote:
>>This seems to be a common misconception. For details:
>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en
> -us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true
>>
>>On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones)
>>will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The
>>Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive.
>
> So the deleted files *may* be on her main system?


I'm quoting and annotating the document that Attila was referring to:


The Recycle Bin provides a safety net when deleting files or folders.
When you delete any of these items from your hard disk, Windows places
it in the Recycle Bin and the Recycle Bin icon changes from empty to
full. Items deleted from a floppy disk or a network drive are
permanently deleted and are not sent to the Recycle Bin.


The key words are "floppy disk or a network drive", which if I'm
not mistake are what Windows XP thinks about removable drives (even if
their underlaying technology is a rotating disk, flash drive, SSD, or
plain old floppy).


Fortunately the "permanently deleted" phrase is not almost always
true, as the data still lingers on the drive for a "while" (i.e. until
something else over-writes it.)

Small detour: for SSD drives, or other types of hardware,
supporting the `TRIM` (or was it `DISCARD`?) operation, and for those
file-systems that support that operation (I know some only on Linux),
this deletion becomes quite "permanent" for the "usual" user.  (I.e.
I'm certain that specialized people could get back the data, but only
through specialized hardware and software.)



Windows allocates one Recycle Bin for each partition or hard disk. If
your hard disk is partitioned, or if you have more than one hard disk
in your computer, you can specify a different size for each Recycle
Bin.


This means that for the deletion to `Recycle Bin`, Windows won't
move your files from one disk to another.  (I.e. if you delete your
files and then format the disk, the `Recycle Bin` and its files on
that disk also disappear.)

Ciprian.

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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[CollinB]

>This seems to be a common misconception. For details:
>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en
-us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true
>
>On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones)
>will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The
>Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive.

So the deleted files *may* be on her main system?



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[Ciprian Dorin Craciun]

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Attila Boros  wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>
>> through a series of hitting keys in error and then hitting one wrong
>> intentionally but wrongly I basically deleted most of the photos I
>> took with the Ist-d and K-5 ..
>
> 
>
>> been told that even though I deleted the files they are really still there
>> (hear that a lot - after all I watch Bones and NCIS)
>
> Correct, the data is still there, but the clusters containing the data
> are now marked as free, meaning they can be overwritten any time if
> you write on the drive. As a rule DO NOT write anything on that drive
> until all your data is recovered. Not even as part of the recovery
> process, choose to recover your data on another drive. This way you
> can try multiple tools and see what works for you without doing
> further damage.


I second Attila on this, don't try to write anything, and if asked
for "recovery" in Windows don't accept it.  (I.e. if you've just
removed it from the USB port instead of "removing it safely".)

If possible I would suggest to not even connect the disk to the
computer, and ask for someone very tech-savy to help you.  (See the
"right" procedure later in the email.)


About the possibility of the files being in "Recycled Bin" I would
say the following:
* to my knowledge Windows XP doesn't use recycle for "removable"
drives, which is the case with your external drive;
* if the deletion was not "instantaneous" (i.e. under a second)
then most certainly it wasn't moved there;


The right procedure in such cases is the following:
* make a byte-to-byte image of the disk (or partition);  (this is
done with specialized tools, not through Explorer;)
* do any recovery attempts on the "clone", thus allowing you to
try other alternatives;


I can't suggest any Windows application -- only for Linux, as I'm
a Linux user for a lot of time -- but I could ask tomorrow my
colleagues.


Bottom-line: don't touch the drive unless you're certain about
what you are doing (i.e. including consequences), and only after
you've "cooled-down".

Unfortunately I'm of not much help,
Ciprian.


P.S.: Most "recovery" applications would write to the disk, thus
I'm not sure it's a good idea to run them on the direct disk;

P.P.S.:  Do you remember the "file-system" type (i.e. NTFS / FAT)?
 Did you reformat the drive after buying?

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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[Attila Boros]

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:28 PM, CollinB  wrote:

> On a local drive they go into the trash from which they may be
> recovered/restored.
> External drives force a permanent deletion.

This seems to be a common misconception. For details:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true

On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones)
will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The
Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive.

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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[Attila Boros]

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:

> Dumb question/suggestion from a Mac guy:
> On a Mac, when you delete files they go into the Trash which is just another 
> folder (directory) in the file system. They stay there and can be dragged 
> back to your photo folder or wherever until you empty the Trash. I vaguely 
> recall that Windows is similar. I can't tell from your narrative whether you 
> just Deleted the files, or if you also emptied the Trash?

Of course this would be the first thing to try if the files are in the
Trash - Recycle Bin on Windows.

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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[CollinB]

>Dumb question/suggestion from a Mac guy:
>On a Mac, when you delete files they go into the Trash which is just
another folder (directory) in the file system. They stay there and can be
dragged back to your photo folder or wherever until you empty the Trash. I
vaguely >recall that Windows is similar. I can't tell from your narrative
whether you just Deleted the files, or if you also emptied the Trash?
>
>Stan

On a local drive they go into the trash from which they may be
recovered/restored.
External drives force a permanent deletion.  What remains is to undelete the
files.
That was easy in the DOS days but a little harder under Windows.


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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[Attila Boros]

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> through a series of hitting keys in error and then hitting one wrong
> intentionally but wrongly I basically deleted most of the photos I
> took with the Ist-d and K-5 ..



> been told that even though I deleted the files they are really still there
> (hear that a lot - after all I watch Bones and NCIS)

Correct, the data is still there, but the clusters containing the data
are now marked as free, meaning they can be overwritten any time if
you write on the drive. As a rule DO NOT write anything on that drive
until all your data is recovered. Not even as part of the recovery
process, choose to recover your data on another drive. This way you
can try multiple tools and see what works for you without doing
further damage.

I have used Advanced NTFS Undelete with very good results:
http://www.datanumen.com/ntfs-undelete/
This is assuming you have a NTFS file system on that drive. Right
click on the drive, choose Properties from the context menu, the file
system type is displayed on the "General" tab.

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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[Stan Halpin]

Dumb question/suggestion from a Mac guy:
On a Mac, when you delete files they go into the Trash which is just another 
folder (directory) in the file system. They stay there and can be dragged back 
to your photo folder or wherever until you empty the Trash. I vaguely recall 
that Windows is similar. I can't tell from your narrative whether you just 
Deleted the files, or if you also emptied the Trash?

stan

On Dec 16, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> I'm calmer now than when I caused this little disaster on saturday..
> 
> through a series of hitting keys in error and then hitting one wrong
> intentionally but wrongly I basically deleted most of the photos I
> took with the Ist-d and K-5 ..
> 
> windoze Xp is my system.  I say "most" because anything i thought was
> actually good was put on smugmug, some were also put in different folders.
> 
> all the files were under two folders , that ended up as subdirectories
> someplace they should not have been. in moving them around in Windows 
> explorer they got deleted in error.
> 
> Yes yes I stupidly said I really wanted to delete those files
> not realizing the files I didn't mean to delete were sub-folders
> of the one I did mean to delete.
> 
> These are/were on my 1 Terrabit external harddrive on E, none of them are on 
> my C drive.
> 
> The harddrive is seagate with memeo which I had as a trial and , alas, never 
> paid for when it came time to buy - nevermind why.. I didn't do it.
> 
> been told that even though I deleted the files they are really still there 
> (hear that a lot - after all I watch Bones and NCIS)
> 
> My files were always uploaded using the date shot as a subdirectory (um
> "folder" in current parlance) under ALLPENTAXASOFFEB142011  or
> ALLPentaxK5asofJuly2013
> 
> Unless I put them on smugmug, I've lost everything I shot with the K-5
> between end of July and december5th.
> LIkewise, if I didn't transfer images to a different folder or load to 
> smugmug, I lost all the photos between Feb142011 and february 26th, 2013
> 
> I wouldnt ahve written such detail here except I need to remember it..
> 
> So , is there any hope for recovery?  I'm trying to convince myself
> that if I didnt send a file to smugmug it wasnt worth much, but I
> know I had a lot of stuff photographed that I intended to list for
> sale that was lost but I know I had some stuff that was kind important 
> that didnt go to smugmug.
> 
> Anything I took with the little darkside camera is safe
> 
> what do I do?
> 
> ann the idiot
> 
> 
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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[Charles Robinson]

This software claims to be free and should be able to give you a clue about 
what's recoverable.

I have not used it myself, but... no harm in downloading/installing and letting 
it scan your external drive to 'see what it can see'

http://www.puransoftware.com/File-Recovery.html


On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:11 , Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> I'm calmer now than when I caused this little disaster on saturday..
> 
> through a series of hitting keys in error and then hitting one wrong
> intentionally but wrongly I basically deleted most of the photos I
> took with the Ist-d and K-5 ..
> 
> windoze Xp is my system.  I say "most" because anything i thought was
> actually good was put on smugmug, some were also put in different folders.
> 
> all the files were under two folders , that ended up as subdirectories
> someplace they should not have been. in moving them around in Windows 
> explorer they got deleted in error.
> 
> Yes yes I stupidly said I really wanted to delete those files
> not realizing the files I didn't mean to delete were sub-folders
> of the one I did mean to delete.
> 
> These are/were on my 1 Terrabit external harddrive on E, none of them are on 
> my C drive.
> 
> The harddrive is seagate with memeo which I had as a trial and , alas, never 
> paid for when it came time to buy - nevermind why.. I didn't do it.
> 
> been told that even though I deleted the files they are really still there 
> (hear that a lot - after all I watch Bones and NCIS)
> 
> My files were always uploaded using the date shot as a subdirectory (um
> "folder" in current parlance) under ALLPENTAXASOFFEB142011  or
> ALLPentaxK5asofJuly2013
> 
> Unless I put them on smugmug, I've lost everything I shot with the K-5
> between end of July and december5th.
> LIkewise, if I didn't transfer images to a different folder or load to 
> smugmug, I lost all the photos between Feb142011 and february 26th, 2013
> 
> I wouldnt ahve written such detail here except I need to remember it..
> 
> So , is there any hope for recovery?  I'm trying to convince myself
> that if I didnt send a file to smugmug it wasnt worth much, but I
> know I had a lot of stuff photographed that I intended to list for
> sale that was lost but I know I had some stuff that was kind important 
> that didnt go to smugmug.
> 
> Anything I took with the little darkside camera is safe
> 
> what do I do?
> 
> ann the idiot
> 
> 
> 
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I have to scream now... techno-trouble here

[Ann Sanfedele]

I'm calmer now than when I caused this little disaster on saturday..

through a series of hitting keys in error and then hitting one wrong
intentionally but wrongly I basically deleted most of the photos I
took with the Ist-d and K-5 ..

windoze Xp is my system.  I say "most" because anything i thought was
actually good was put on smugmug, some were also put in different folders.

all the files were under two folders , that ended up as subdirectories
someplace they should not have been. in moving them around in Windows 
explorer they got deleted in error.


Yes yes I stupidly said I really wanted to delete those files
not realizing the files I didn't mean to delete were sub-folders
of the one I did mean to delete.

These are/were on my 1 Terrabit external harddrive on E, none of them 
are on my C drive.


The harddrive is seagate with memeo which I had as a trial and , alas, 
never paid for when it came time to buy - nevermind why.. I didn't do it.


been told that even though I deleted the files they are really still 
there (hear that a lot - after all I watch Bones and NCIS)


My files were always uploaded using the date shot as a subdirectory (um
"folder" in current parlance) under ALLPENTAXASOFFEB142011  or
ALLPentaxK5asofJuly2013

Unless I put them on smugmug, I've lost everything I shot with the K-5
between end of July and december5th.
LIkewise, if I didn't transfer images to a different folder or load to 
smugmug, I lost all the photos between Feb142011 and february 26th, 2013


I wouldnt ahve written such detail here except I need to remember it..

So , is there any hope for recovery?  I'm trying to convince myself
that if I didnt send a file to smugmug it wasnt worth much, but I
know I had a lot of stuff photographed that I intended to list for
sale that was lost but I know I had some stuff that was kind 
important that didnt go to smugmug.


Anything I took with the little darkside camera is safe

what do I do?

ann the idiot



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