Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Frank said and i majorly snipped:
> 
> > So, I feel that I just don't have much to contribute
> > to the list these days.  Maybe a break is what I need,
> > just to get my head back on straight.
> >
> > Besides, Caveman is back now, so he can provide comic
> > relief. 
> >
> > See ya later!
> >
> > cheers,
> > frank
> I'm off the last week in August Frank,and hope to do some serious 
> "me"photography(meaning
> no
> horses lol)if you want a walk around partner for a few hours let me know.
> 
> Dave

Dave -- I'll be in Toronto starting August 25th -
staying with Frank at some point for
a couple of days - hope to meet ya!

annsan



Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-10 Thread Norm Baugher
Wait Frank, we're just about to start a discussion about Rick James dying.
Norm
(check ya offlist)
frank theriault wrote:
Well, boys and girls, I think it's time for a break. 
As you may have noticed, I haven't been posting much
lately.  There are many reasons for this, but one of
them is that I've quite frankly become bored and
disinterested with equipment.
 




Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-10 Thread Pentxuser
Sorry to see you go Frank but I know you'll be back. Nothing like a break to 
get you refreshed. Good luck buddy.
Vic 



Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Peter J. Alling
No...
Tom C wrote:
Can the rest of you believe this guy?

Tom C.


From: Antonio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I think I Need a Break
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 23:20:54 +0200
Hi Frank,
I know you and I have had our disagreements in the past but will be 
sorry to
see you go. I understand entirely what you are saying and sympathise. 
This
list seems a very intolerant place at times. Hope you have a good break.

Antonio
On 9/8/04 8:29 pm, "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, boys and girls, I think it's time for a break.
> As you may have noticed, I haven't been posting much
> lately.  There are many reasons for this, but one of
> them is that I've quite frankly become bored and
> disinterested with equipment.  I have all I need or
> want or can afford, so reading about the resolutions
> of various lenses, or histograms or RAW vs. Jpeg or
> whatever just won't grab my attention anymore.
>
> So, I've been considering perhaps spending some time a
> away anyway.
>
> I have to admit, though, that coming back from the
> weekend and seeing the lengthy discussion about HCB
> devolve into attacking photojournalism and street
> photography (a term I don't like), seeing those
> photographing styles compared to pornography, well, it
> just left a bad taste in my mouth.
>
> Fine.  Not everyone is into one of the types of
> photography that that I enjoy.  I appreciate that.
> The funny thing is, though, that I can still
> appreciate those other types of photography that maybe
> I'm not so good at.  In fact, maybe I appreciate them
> more, because I can't do them.  I don't go around
> trashing people because they take photos that I can't.
>
>
> I suppose the last straw is the suggestion that I and
> another who recently left the list are somehow
> "untouchable", and that there's something of an
> editorial chill regarding making negative comments
> about our photos.
>
> I hope that isn't true - I hadn't (until now)
> perceived that it is, but the mere suggestion is
> hurtful.  It kind of makes me not want to post PAWs
> anymore, and quite frankly, that's pretty much what I
> do here these days:  post and comment on PAWs.
>
> Let's face it, guys, I've never bought a new Pentax in
> my life.  Half my lenses are third party lenses.  My
> newest piece of Pentax equipment is over 20 years old.
> It's pretty much an accident that I ended up a
> Pentaxian anyway - had it been a Minolta or Konica or
> whatever that was purchased in that yard sale (that
> re-introduced me to photography) I'd be on another
> list right now (if at all).  The camera that I use the
> most these days is my Leica, and I'm on a few of Leica
> lists, where the style of photography that I now enjoy
> participating in is received somewhat more
> sympathetically than it is here.  I can get my jollies
> elsewhere.
>
> So, I feel that I just don't have much to contribute
> to the list these days.  Maybe a break is what I need,
> just to get my head back on straight.
>
> Besides, Caveman is back now, so he can provide comic
> relief. 
>
> See ya later!
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
>
>
> =
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The 
pessimist
> fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
>
> __
> Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
>






Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Peter J. Alling
I like to think of myself as a non-raving lunatic thank you very much.  
It keeps them guessing...

Norm Baugher wrote:
Well, at GFM, we found out that most of us are raving lunatics.
Norm
Don Sanderson wrote:
I wonder what it'd be like to compare "e-mail personalities" to the real
person?




Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Peter J. Alling
Aww, you'll be back.
frank theriault wrote:
Well, boys and girls, I think it's time for a break. 
As you may have noticed, I haven't been posting much
lately.  There are many reasons for this, but one of
them is that I've quite frankly become bored and
disinterested with equipment.  I have all I need or
want or can afford, so reading about the resolutions
of various lenses, or histograms or RAW vs. Jpeg or
whatever just won't grab my attention anymore.

So, I've been considering perhaps spending some time a
away anyway.
I have to admit, though, that coming back from the
weekend and seeing the lengthy discussion about HCB
devolve into attacking photojournalism and street
photography (a term I don't like), seeing those
photographing styles compared to pornography, well, it
just left a bad taste in my mouth.
Fine.  Not everyone is into one of the types of
photography that that I enjoy.  I appreciate that. 
The funny thing is, though, that I can still
appreciate those other types of photography that maybe
I'm not so good at.  In fact, maybe I appreciate them
more, because I can't do them.  I don't go around
trashing people because they take photos that I can't.

I suppose the last straw is the suggestion that I and
another who recently left the list are somehow
"untouchable", and that there's something of an
editorial chill regarding making negative comments
about our photos.
I hope that isn't true - I hadn't (until now)
perceived that it is, but the mere suggestion is
hurtful.  It kind of makes me not want to post PAWs
anymore, and quite frankly, that's pretty much what I
do here these days:  post and comment on PAWs.
Let's face it, guys, I've never bought a new Pentax in
my life.  Half my lenses are third party lenses.  My
newest piece of Pentax equipment is over 20 years old.
It's pretty much an accident that I ended up a
Pentaxian anyway - had it been a Minolta or Konica or
whatever that was purchased in that yard sale (that
re-introduced me to photography) I'd be on another
list right now (if at all).  The camera that I use the
most these days is my Leica, and I'm on a few of Leica
lists, where the style of photography that I now enjoy
participating in is received somewhat more
sympathetically than it is here.  I can get my jollies
elsewhere.
So, I feel that I just don't have much to contribute
to the list these days.  Maybe a break is what I need,
just to get my head back on straight.  

Besides, Caveman is back now, so he can provide comic
relief. 
See ya later!
cheers,
frank


=
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The pessimist fears it is 
true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
__ 
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RE: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Don Sanderson
Now Ann, many of us guys were born at night, but

Don

> -Original Message-
> From: Ann Sanfedele [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 6:56 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: I think I Need a Break
> 
> 
> Norm Baugher wrote:
> > 
> > Well, at GFM, we found out that most of us are raving lunatics.
> > Norm
> > 
> > Don Sanderson wrote:
> > 
> > >I wonder what it'd be like to compare "e-mail personalities" 
> to the real
> > >person?
> > >
> 
> The guys, you mean .  All us girls are perfectly
> sane :)
> 
> annsan
> 



Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Norm Baugher wrote:
> 
> Well, at GFM, we found out that most of us are raving lunatics.
> Norm
> 
> Don Sanderson wrote:
> 
> >I wonder what it'd be like to compare "e-mail personalities" to the real
> >person?
> >

The guys, you mean .  All us girls are perfectly
sane :)

annsan



Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Robert Woerner
Cheer up dude. It'll be OK. Hope you come back refreshed.

Robert
- Original Message -
From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pdml" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 2:29 PM
Subject: I think I Need a Break


> Well, boys and girls, I think it's time for a break.
> As you may have noticed, I haven't been posting much
> lately.  There are many reasons for this, but one of
> them is that I've quite frankly become bored and
> disinterested with equipment.  I have all I need or
> want or can afford, so reading about the resolutions
> of various lenses, or histograms or RAW vs. Jpeg or
> whatever just won't grab my attention anymore.
>
> So, I've been considering perhaps spending some time a
> away anyway.
>
> I have to admit, though, that coming back from the
> weekend and seeing the lengthy discussion about HCB
> devolve into attacking photojournalism and street
> photography (a term I don't like), seeing those
> photographing styles compared to pornography, well, it
> just left a bad taste in my mouth.
>
> Fine.  Not everyone is into one of the types of
> photography that that I enjoy.  I appreciate that.
> The funny thing is, though, that I can still
> appreciate those other types of photography that maybe
> I'm not so good at.  In fact, maybe I appreciate them
> more, because I can't do them.  I don't go around
> trashing people because they take photos that I can't.
>
>
> I suppose the last straw is the suggestion that I and
> another who recently left the list are somehow
> "untouchable", and that there's something of an
> editorial chill regarding making negative comments
> about our photos.
>
> I hope that isn't true - I hadn't (until now)
> perceived that it is, but the mere suggestion is
> hurtful.  It kind of makes me not want to post PAWs
> anymore, and quite frankly, that's pretty much what I
> do here these days:  post and comment on PAWs.
>
> Let's face it, guys, I've never bought a new Pentax in
> my life.  Half my lenses are third party lenses.  My
> newest piece of Pentax equipment is over 20 years old.
>  It's pretty much an accident that I ended up a
> Pentaxian anyway - had it been a Minolta or Konica or
> whatever that was purchased in that yard sale (that
> re-introduced me to photography) I'd be on another
> list right now (if at all).  The camera that I use the
> most these days is my Leica, and I'm on a few of Leica
> lists, where the style of photography that I now enjoy
> participating in is received somewhat more
> sympathetically than it is here.  I can get my jollies
> elsewhere.
>
> So, I feel that I just don't have much to contribute
> to the list these days.  Maybe a break is what I need,
> just to get my head back on straight.
>
> Besides, Caveman is back now, so he can provide comic
> relief. 
>
> See ya later!
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
>
>
> =
> "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds.  The
pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
>
> __
> Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
>
>




RE: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Don Sanderson
Jeez, I sent that and it never appeared in my email!
Thought it got lost and I was relieved.
Oh well, everyone at work today (except me) was screaming at each other.
I hate to see the equivalent of that here on the list,
it's way too fun here when the fires are out. ;-)

Don (aspiring to be a raving lunatic)

> -Original Message-
> From: Norm Baugher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 6:24 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: I think I Need a Break
> 
> 
> Well, at GFM, we found out that most of us are raving lunatics.
> Norm
> 
> Don Sanderson wrote:
> 
> >I wonder what it'd be like to compare "e-mail personalities" to the real
> >person?
> >
> 
> 
> 



Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Tom C
BTW, you seem to to be able to speak to others in the most insulting of ways 
and consider it normal.  Others simply express and opinion and you call it a 
flame.

I don't think there was a flame war over HCB at all.

Tom C.


From: Antonio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I think I Need a Break
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:35:00 +0200
Whiping up another lynch Mob I see Tom. Given that you were one of the most
iintolerant in the recent HCB threads perhaps you should reflect on what
Frank has said rather than initiating yet another flame war.
A.
On 10/8/04 12:19 am, "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can the rest of you believe this guy?
>
>
>
> Tom C.



Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Tom C
I'm acting like you... only FAR LESS SO.

Tom C.


From: Antonio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I think I Need a Break
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:35:00 +0200
Whiping up another lynch Mob I see Tom. Given that you were one of the most
iintolerant in the recent HCB threads perhaps you should reflect on what
Frank has said rather than initiating yet another flame war.
A.
On 10/8/04 12:19 am, "Tom C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can the rest of you believe this guy?
>
>
>
> Tom C.



Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Norm Baugher
Well, at GFM, we found out that most of us are raving lunatics.
Norm
Don Sanderson wrote:
I wonder what it'd be like to compare "e-mail personalities" to the real
person?




Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Mark Roberts
Norm Baugher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Don Sanderson wrote:
>
>>I wonder what it'd be like to compare "e-mail personalities" to the real
>>person?
>>
>Well, at GFM, we found out that most of us are raving lunatics.

...and the rest are quiet, peaceful lunatics!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com



Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread John Francis
> 
> I think it is utterly shameful and a disgrace that somebody chose to
> personalise things by picking on Frank and Shel's photographs . . .

But that's not what happened.  Frank & Shel first got mentioned by name
as examples of photographers whose work is generally met with acclaim
(apart from Frank getting teased about out-of-focus or blurry shots).
It takes a pretty twisted interpretation to regard that as an attack.
Furthermore, their names were picked at least partly because this all
started out as a discussion of HCB and his style of photography, and
Shel & Frank are probably the closest the list has to practitioners
in that style.

There have been some fairly intemperate remarks made about the whole
"street photography" school in general, but I don't think those were
directed specifically at list members.



Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Norm Baugher
Well, at GFM, we found out that most of us are raving lunatics.
Norm
Don Sanderson wrote:
I wonder what it'd be like to compare "e-mail personalities" to the real
person?



Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Cotty
This list is like a bar, don't forget. Frank's gone out for some air.



Cheers,
  Cotty


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RE: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Don Sanderson
Hi Bob and everyone,

Some how "I think it is utterly shameful and a disgrace" and "Cheers, Bob",
don't seem to go together too well.Except on this list.

I have been amazed at the variety of opinion and viewpoint that this list
encompasses.
Even though it only consists of e-mails there are some people here I've
taken a very strong liking to, and some I feel a dislike for!
I wonder what it'd be like to compare "e-mail personalities" to the real
person?
Some of you have had that opportunity, I have not.
I would guess that many of the people here would not be at all what I
expected, if I use their e-mails as an indicator of their true
personalities.
I have recieved several responses to my posts that could be taken as very
nasty, if *I* chose to take them that way.
With the exception of one person who is rude by choice (who I now pretty
much ignore), I have chosen to let other comments roll off my back. I prefer
to think of them as simply mis-understandings or "communication gaps" due to
culture, age or personal opinion.
You all know what they say about opinions,I have one of *those* too.

Personally I get the feeling that Shel and Frank might get singled out
because they ARE respected and liked, not the other way around.

Frank: How can people NOT poke fun at someone who allows himself to be seen
in pink bunny ears? ;-)
PLEASE don't leave the list because a "few of many" show disrespect.
If that was my criteria for leaving somewhere there would be no where left
on this planet for me.
I like SOME of your photos, others I don't much care for, that's just *my
opinion*, doesn't really count for sh*t.

I do try to have the good grace not to "condemn" anyone for their work, but
I will comment or "criticize", ...if they *ask* for comments and criticism.
I do very much agree with Bobs statement: "But there's absolutely no need to
personalise your dislike..".

This list is one example of how many VERY different people can get along.
For me that means swallowing some things I don't like, or agree with, but in
the long run it seems well worth it.

My apologies for all the wind.

"Don the Verbose"


> -Original Message-----
> From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 3:01 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: I think I Need a Break
>
>
> Hi,
>
> [...]
>
> > Fine.  Not everyone is into one of the types of
> > photography that that I enjoy.  I appreciate that.
> > The funny thing is, though, that I can still
> > appreciate those other types of photography that maybe
> > I'm not so good at.  In fact, maybe I appreciate them
> > more, because I can't do them.  I don't go around
> > trashing people because they take photos that I can't.
>
> I think it is utterly shameful and a disgrace that somebody chose to
> personalise things by picking on Frank and Shel's photographs. Frank
> and Shel have been major factors in stimulating a very broad range of
> different discussions on this list over the last few years.
>
> There are other people on the list who also receive unstinting praise,
> and never a word of criticism, for work in a different style than Frank
> and Shel's. These other people's work is stuff that I personally think is
> pedestrian at best, and boring at worst. But since it is not
> really my type
> of photography there is nothing at all for anyone to gain by me
> saying anything
> about it.
>
> This does not mean that there is some kind of peer group pressure not
> to criticise that stuff, it's just that people may choose not to. If
> somebody receives endless praise for their photos of furtwangling, but
> I think they're indistinguishable from the rather dismal amateur section
> of 'Furtwangler Monthly', and anyway all pictures of furtwangling are the
> same, this doesn't mean I'm too peer-pressured or scared to speak
> out against
> the pretentiousness of furtwangler photos, it just means I can't be
> bothered, or I realise that other people find furtwangling a subject of
> infinite fascination, so I let them be.
>
> If you don't like photojournalism, fine.
> If you don't like 'street photography', fine.
> If you don't like pictures of birds on twigs with catchlights, fine.
> If you don't like pictures of motor racing, fine.
> If you don't like pictures of caterpillars, fine.
> If you don't like pictures of Mono Lake, fine.
> If you don't like pictures of kittens, fine.
> If you don't like pictures of children, fine.
> If you don't like pictures of flowers, fine.
> If you don't like landscapes, fine.
> If you don'

Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Cotty
>> I wouldn't like furtwanglography, if I knew what it was. ;)

>If you have to ask what it is, you wouldn't understand.
>
>tv 


I tried it once but my furt got caught during a particularly vicious wangle...




Cheers,
  Cotty


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RE: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread tom
If you have to ask what it is, you wouldn't understand.

tv 

> -Original Message-
> From: Tom C [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 4:16 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: I think I Need a Break
> 
> I wouldn't like furtwanglography, if I knew what it was. ;)
> 
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: I think I Need a Break
> >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:01:14 +0100
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >[...]
> >
> > > Fine.  Not everyone is into one of the types of photography that 
> > > that I enjoy.  I appreciate that.
> > > The funny thing is, though, that I can still appreciate 
> those other 
> > > types of photography that maybe I'm not so good at.  In 
> fact, maybe 
> > > I appreciate them more, because I can't do them.  I don't 
> go around 
> > > trashing people because they take photos that I can't.
> >
> >I think it is utterly shameful and a disgrace that somebody chose to 
> >personalise things by picking on Frank and Shel's photographs. Frank 
> >and Shel have been major factors in stimulating a very broad 
> range of 
> >different discussions on this list over the last few years.
> >
> >There are other people on the list who also receive 
> unstinting praise, 
> >and never a word of criticism, for work in a different style 
> than Frank 
> >and Shel's. These other people's work is stuff that I 
> personally think 
> >is pedestrian at best, and boring at worst. But since it is 
> not really 
> >my type of photography there is nothing at all for anyone to 
> gain by me 
> >saying anything about it.
> >
> >This does not mean that there is some kind of peer group 
> pressure not 
> >to criticise that stuff, it's just that people may choose not to. If 
> >somebody receives endless praise for their photos of 
> furtwangling, but 
> >I think they're indistinguishable from the rather dismal amateur 
> >section of 'Furtwangler Monthly', and anyway all pictures of 
> >furtwangling are the same, this doesn't mean I'm too 
> peer-pressured or 
> >scared to speak out against the pretentiousness of 
> furtwangler photos, 
> >it just means I can't be bothered, or I realise that other 
> people find 
> >furtwangling a subject of infinite fascination, so I let them be.
> >
> >If you don't like photojournalism, fine.
> >If you don't like 'street photography', fine.
> >If you don't like pictures of birds on twigs with catchlights, fine.
> >If you don't like pictures of motor racing, fine.
> >If you don't like pictures of caterpillars, fine.
> >If you don't like pictures of Mono Lake, fine.
> >If you don't like pictures of kittens, fine.
> >If you don't like pictures of children, fine.
> >If you don't like pictures of flowers, fine.
> >If you don't like landscapes, fine.
> >If you don't like pictures of ducks, fine.
> >If you don't like furtwanglography, fine.
> >
> >But there's absolutely no need to personalise your dislike 
> in the way 
> >that it's been personalised towards Shel and Frank. If you 
> don't like 
> >their style of photography, fine. There are plenty of people 
> here who 
> >don't like your style of photography either, but we live with it 
> >because it's a pluralistic world and we are here - or at least I 
> >thought we were - to share and enjoy the whole subject.
> >
> >--
> >Cheers,
> >  Bob
> >
> I
> 
> 
> 




Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Tom C
I wouldn't like furtwanglography, if I knew what it was. ;)
Tom C.


From: Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I think I Need a Break
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:01:14 +0100
Hi,
[...]
> Fine.  Not everyone is into one of the types of
> photography that that I enjoy.  I appreciate that.
> The funny thing is, though, that I can still
> appreciate those other types of photography that maybe
> I'm not so good at.  In fact, maybe I appreciate them
> more, because I can't do them.  I don't go around
> trashing people because they take photos that I can't.
I think it is utterly shameful and a disgrace that somebody chose to
personalise things by picking on Frank and Shel's photographs. Frank
and Shel have been major factors in stimulating a very broad range of
different discussions on this list over the last few years.
There are other people on the list who also receive unstinting praise,
and never a word of criticism, for work in a different style than Frank
and Shel's. These other people's work is stuff that I personally think is
pedestrian at best, and boring at worst. But since it is not really my type
of photography there is nothing at all for anyone to gain by me saying 
anything
about it.

This does not mean that there is some kind of peer group pressure not
to criticise that stuff, it's just that people may choose not to. If
somebody receives endless praise for their photos of furtwangling, but
I think they're indistinguishable from the rather dismal amateur section
of 'Furtwangler Monthly', and anyway all pictures of furtwangling are the
same, this doesn't mean I'm too peer-pressured or scared to speak out 
against
the pretentiousness of furtwangler photos, it just means I can't be
bothered, or I realise that other people find furtwangling a subject of
infinite fascination, so I let them be.

If you don't like photojournalism, fine.
If you don't like 'street photography', fine.
If you don't like pictures of birds on twigs with catchlights, fine.
If you don't like pictures of motor racing, fine.
If you don't like pictures of caterpillars, fine.
If you don't like pictures of Mono Lake, fine.
If you don't like pictures of kittens, fine.
If you don't like pictures of children, fine.
If you don't like pictures of flowers, fine.
If you don't like landscapes, fine.
If you don't like pictures of ducks, fine.
If you don't like furtwanglography, fine.
But there's absolutely no need to personalise your dislike in the way
that it's been personalised towards Shel and Frank. If you don't like
their style of photography, fine. There are plenty of people here who
don't like your style of photography either, but we live with it
because it's a pluralistic world and we are here - or at least I
thought we were - to share and enjoy the whole subject.
--
Cheers,
 Bob
I



Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread Bob W
Hi,

[...]

> Fine.  Not everyone is into one of the types of
> photography that that I enjoy.  I appreciate that. 
> The funny thing is, though, that I can still
> appreciate those other types of photography that maybe
> I'm not so good at.  In fact, maybe I appreciate them
> more, because I can't do them.  I don't go around
> trashing people because they take photos that I can't.

I think it is utterly shameful and a disgrace that somebody chose to
personalise things by picking on Frank and Shel's photographs. Frank
and Shel have been major factors in stimulating a very broad range of
different discussions on this list over the last few years.

There are other people on the list who also receive unstinting praise,
and never a word of criticism, for work in a different style than Frank
and Shel's. These other people's work is stuff that I personally think is
pedestrian at best, and boring at worst. But since it is not really my type
of photography there is nothing at all for anyone to gain by me saying anything
about it.

This does not mean that there is some kind of peer group pressure not
to criticise that stuff, it's just that people may choose not to. If
somebody receives endless praise for their photos of furtwangling, but
I think they're indistinguishable from the rather dismal amateur section
of 'Furtwangler Monthly', and anyway all pictures of furtwangling are the
same, this doesn't mean I'm too peer-pressured or scared to speak out against
the pretentiousness of furtwangler photos, it just means I can't be
bothered, or I realise that other people find furtwangling a subject of
infinite fascination, so I let them be.

If you don't like photojournalism, fine.
If you don't like 'street photography', fine.
If you don't like pictures of birds on twigs with catchlights, fine.
If you don't like pictures of motor racing, fine.
If you don't like pictures of caterpillars, fine.
If you don't like pictures of Mono Lake, fine.
If you don't like pictures of kittens, fine.
If you don't like pictures of children, fine.
If you don't like pictures of flowers, fine.
If you don't like landscapes, fine.
If you don't like pictures of ducks, fine.
If you don't like furtwanglography, fine.

But there's absolutely no need to personalise your dislike in the way
that it's been personalised towards Shel and Frank. If you don't like
their style of photography, fine. There are plenty of people here who
don't like your style of photography either, but we live with it
because it's a pluralistic world and we are here - or at least I
thought we were - to share and enjoy the whole subject.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob



Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread brooksdj
Frank said and i majorly snipped:

> So, I feel that I just don't have much to contribute
> to the list these days.  Maybe a break is what I need,
> just to get my head back on straight.  
> 
> Besides, Caveman is back now, so he can provide comic
> relief. 
> 
> See ya later!
> 
> cheers,
> frank
I'm off the last week in August Frank,and hope to do some serious 
"me"photography(meaning
no 
horses lol)if you want a walk around partner for a few hours let me know.

Dave




Re: I think I Need a Break

2004-08-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault"
Subject: I think I Need a Break


>
> I suppose the last straw is the suggestion that I and
> another who recently left the list are somehow
> "untouchable", and that there's something of an
> editorial chill regarding making negative comments
> about our photos.
>
> I hope that isn't true - I hadn't (until now)
> perceived that it is, but the mere suggestion is
> hurtful.  It kind of makes me not want to post PAWs
> anymore, and quite frankly, that's pretty much what I
> do here these days:  post and comment on PAWs.

Stick around Frank. Your photos are out of focus crap, and the only
way you will get better is to keep reading.
There, feel better now?

William Robb