Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Do yourself a huge favor: > > - Buy a pair of Seagate 500Gbyte external drives. ... Things came together today - I was in Grand Rapids to pick up my repaired M 50 f 4 macro and drove down the commercial strip on the way back to see if I could find a good deal on some external drives. I stopped at a store with a major going out of business sale well under way - the store was down to about 1/10th it's normal size, the fixtures and even their holiday decorations were out with price tags on them. So were Seagate 500mm external drives - "marked down" to $275... People were snapping them up... OK - on to Best Buy across the street and they had a couple 500 gig WD "My Book" essentials (USB 2.0 only) for $140 each - as good as any price I could fine on the net. Plus they are cute in that they look like books - except that the spine has a glowing circle on the back and the power / usb cables look like tentacles coming out of the pages. OK - cute as in "devil books from hell" cute. But now I have a pair of external drives, so the slow process of copying DVD's and CD's has begun... - MCC -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
On Apr 23, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: > http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-2-4/51295.html Hmm. Looks like my freezer. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
BTW: For those wanting to experiment with RAID, Mac OS X's Disk Utility includes the ability to configure drives in RAID 0, RAID 1 or as Concatenated RAID Set configuration. I'm no RAID expert, but it would seem that a Power Mac G5 or a Mac Pro with multiple internal drives would make for a pretty good RAID system environment with some performance benefits. RAID configuration not confined to internal drives either ... I imagine an interesting RAID configuration could be made from daisy chained FireWire 400 or FireWire 800 drives too. If you'd like to know more about it, start up Disk Utility (in the Applications/Utility folder), choose Help from the menu bar, and search on RAID. There is fairly complete information provided on what the options are, how they work and what kind of configuration benefits what use, etc. One of these days, in my copious free time, I'll have to give it a shot... Godfrey On Apr 23, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote: > In terms of keeping a RAID system going with minimal maintenance this > might be worth a thought: > http://www.drobo.com/ > I've no direct experience, but it looks like it handles all the > configuration and management automatically without you needing to > spend ages setting it up. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
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Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
In terms of keeping a RAID system going with minimal maintenance this might be worth a thought: http://www.drobo.com/ I've no direct experience, but it looks like it handles all the configuration and management automatically without you needing to spend ages setting it up. Eric. On 22/04/07, Mark Cassino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Godfrey, and everyone else who contributed. > > It looks like the external drives are the way to go - I guess I'll just > proceed with this approach going forward and then start chipping away at > the older stuff sitting on CD's and DVD's. > > A quick tally shows I have 305 DVD's and 813 CD's storing image files > that I would want to move to the external drives. If I'm doing the math > right that would work out to about 1.8 TB of data (I figure that most of > the disk have some degree of slack space on them). > > I guess I'll start by getting a couple of 500 gig or larger external > drives and at go forward with those - then add in the old stuff as I > get the chance to work on it. At the prices you quote the 8 500 gig > drives I'd need for two copies of the data on these disks would only be > about $1,000, and as I work on these the prices will come down. Though, > looking around the Internet (even Frys site) I'm seeing prices more in > the $150 - 175 per 500 gig drive. > > Since March 30, the date to which I last cleaned and organized my PC, > I've shot about 40 gigs of new images. Things are just starting to pick > up but I'd guess that a 500 gig drive would hold 6 - 9 months of data, > so that would be about $500 a year for storage. I just have to remind > myself of how much I used to spend on film processing to justify the > expense > > The only concern I have is that it seems like this approach puts a lot > of eggs in one basket, so to speak. I've had a few few CD's go bad (no > DVD's - yet) but when they do the loss has been manageable since there > are so few files per unite of storage. But losing a 500 gb drive would > be a lot. But I guess that's why total redundancy is needed... > > Thanks again - > > MCC > > > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Do yourself a huge favor: > > > > - Buy a pair of Seagate 500Gbyte external drives. I was at Fry's just > > yesterday ... in USB 2.0 only enclosures, these drives would cost > > $119 apiece; USB2/FireWire 400 enclosures and the price goes up to > > $190 right now. > > > > - Move all the data from the CDs/DVDs to one of the drives. > > > > - Copy the entire drive to the other. > > > > - Backup new data, as you generate it, to both drives. > > > > - Dismount, disconnect, and unplug the drives when not in use for > > backup. > > > > When they become outdated by 1Terabyte drives at the same price, buy > > another pair and move the data to them. > > etc > > > > It's the most efficient, easily maintained, reliable backup/archive > > system available today. You can get some low-cost backup software > > that will make doing this job fast, easy, consistent and efficient. I > > do this myself, have been for five years now. It works flawlessly and > > is FAR easier to maintain than mountains of CDs and DVDs. And it's > > fast enough to actually be useful. > > > > Godfrey > > > > > > On Apr 21, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Mark Cassino wrote: > > > >> One of the things that was kicked around with the advent of digital > >> was > >> the need to move data from one storage medium to another as they > >> become obsolete. > >> > >> A couple of days ago ago I decided to move the data off 69 CD's, which > >> held the "best" of my *ist-D shots for the first few months I had it, > >> before getting a DVD burner. > >> > >> I have to say - it was more of a hassle than I expected. I have a > >> spare > >> computer here and just fed it the CD's as I was working on the main > >> PC. > >> The CD's were about 5 years old and none of them were bad - but some > >> read fairly slowly, sometimes taking up to 15 minutes to copy onto the > >> hard drive, vs 3 to 5 minutes for most. A couple failed with CRC > >> errors > >> on the first attempt, but then copied successfully after taking > >> them out > >> and wiping them with a lens cleaning cloth. > >> > >> Now I have 42 gigs of files to burn onto a few DVD's. > >> > >> My main motivation for doing this was to make it easier to find some > >> images - these CD's had the original PEF's plus 16 bit final TIFF's on > >> them, and the files came together in a way that left room for only > >> 5 or > >> 6 images per CD, with a fair amount of wasted space on each disk. > >> > >> Over all though, it took hours to copy these files. Since it was a > >> background task on a machine that I just use for scanning and > >> streaming > >> NPR, it wasn't a major problem. But I have roughly 700 more CD's that > >> someday will have to be moved - if not onto DVD's then onto some > >> future > >> media. > >> > >> The thought of that makes me shudder... > >> > >> - MCC > >> > >> -- > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >>
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
High quality masked dups of slides have always been available. However many a publication has used reference dups just fine. Reference dups also have usually been used for slide shows as they did not last long ad they were cheaper. For those who do not know the difference a masked duplicate is one where they made a mask to control contrast, and usually is a slide to negative to masked slide process. Typically it cost around $10 for one dup, additional at the same time were a lot cheaper. Reference dups where what you got at the non-pro labs just a slide to slide copy with no serious controls for color and contrast. Used to be about 69 cents each. -graywolf Mark Roberts wrote: > Mark Cassino wrote: > >> Mark Roberts wrote: > The thought of that makes me shudder... But... digital makes thing so easy! Everyone says so! It must be > true. >>> Hey just think about me "backing up" the hundreds of slides and >>> negatives in my archives! >> Just send them to the lab to be dupped :-) > > Ah yes, but then you have the loss of image quality in a dupe slide and > the expense as well! Oh joy! > > Seriously, one of the big advantages of digital is neither speed nor > convenience, but "duplicability". The ability to make many identical > copies of the original and store them in separate locations. There was > an archive of negatives from the Kennedy presidency that was lost with > the World Trade Center. Had they been digital files rather than > negatives there would almost certainly been copies at other locations > that would have survived. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
William Robb wrote: > From: "mike wilson" > >>If you'd said "hundreds of rolls", which is my situation (maybe even >>thousands) I might have some sympathy. 8-) > > You need to be more cutthroat about your editing process. Damn. You intercepted me there. I was about to say that I *do* have hundreds of rolls. But you reminded me that my "roll" is always fewer that 20 shots, and frequently a lot fewer, because I edit them down. And I'm still not cutthroat enough... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
Mark Cassino wrote: >Mark Roberts wrote: The thought of that makes me shudder... >>> But... digital makes thing so easy! Everyone says so! It must be true. >> >> Hey just think about me "backing up" the hundreds of slides and >> negatives in my archives! > >Just send them to the lab to be dupped :-) Ah yes, but then you have the loss of image quality in a dupe slide and the expense as well! Oh joy! Seriously, one of the big advantages of digital is neither speed nor convenience, but "duplicability". The ability to make many identical copies of the original and store them in separate locations. There was an archive of negatives from the Kennedy presidency that was lost with the World Trade Center. Had they been digital files rather than negatives there would almost certainly been copies at other locations that would have survived. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
> > From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2007/04/23 Mon AM 07:40:39 GMT > To: "pentax list" > Subject: Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD > > On 22/4/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >I'm not an artist - I have no imagination. > > Does your profile appear on Kenny-boy's list? ;-) OK, maybe I have a _little_ imagination. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Apr 23, 2007, at 8:16 AM, William Robb wrote: > You need to be more cutthroat about your editing process. But then I'd have nothing to scan. Actually that's a great time saver :) - Dave (I've been playing the procrastination card lately) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 22/4/07, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: >I'm not an artist - I have no imagination. Does your profile appear on Kenny-boy's list? ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
Yes, but in this day and age when motherboards already have sata raid controllers on them, it is only a case of buying one more harddrive and setting it up for raid-1. Cost is less than $100 usually. Of course I am a lover of scsi raid-5, and probably will finally implement it on my PC soon since I have everything but the drives and I can now get 73gig surplus drives for very little money (they only kind of money the government allows me to have these days). -graywolf Bob Sullivan wrote: > Graywolf, > We'll use RAID on servers where we have big files stored and where we > want to read the data quickly, something like reading demographics > across 8,000,000 census tracks in the USA and doing manipulations with > the info. > Regards, Bob S. > > On 4/22/07, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The purpose of RAID 1 or 5 is to have redundant copies of the data. In a >> properly setup redundant array a failed drive is simply replaced and it >> is restored from the other drives. You can actually set up a RAID system >> where this is done totally automatically (RAID 5 with a hot spare drive) >> but most of us home users will be comfortable with shutting down the >> system swapping out the bad drive and then letting it restore itself on >> boot up. There is an intermediate system with hot swappable drives but >> it tends to be more expensive to set up than the hot spare system these >> days. >> >> -graywolf >> >> AlexG wrote: >>> Presumably so they aren't spinning for nothing, assuming they won't >>> power down on thier own. >>> >>> MTBF for hard disks is reported to be greatly exagerated >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "mike wilson" > Subject: Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD > > > > >>If you'd said "hundreds of rolls", which is my situation (maybe even >>thousands) I might have some sympathy. 8-) > > > You need to be more cutthroat about your editing process. > I'm not an artist - I have no imagination. Purely a snapshooter and recorder of passing time. That way, every one is a gem. Or they are all crap. Pick one. 8-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
Graywolf, We'll use RAID on servers where we have big files stored and where we want to read the data quickly, something like reading demographics across 8,000,000 census tracks in the USA and doing manipulations with the info. Regards, Bob S. On 4/22/07, graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The purpose of RAID 1 or 5 is to have redundant copies of the data. In a > properly setup redundant array a failed drive is simply replaced and it > is restored from the other drives. You can actually set up a RAID system > where this is done totally automatically (RAID 5 with a hot spare drive) > but most of us home users will be comfortable with shutting down the > system swapping out the bad drive and then letting it restore itself on > boot up. There is an intermediate system with hot swappable drives but > it tends to be more expensive to set up than the hot spare system these > days. > > -graywolf > > AlexG wrote: > > Presumably so they aren't spinning for nothing, assuming they won't > > power down on thier own. > > > > MTBF for hard disks is reported to be greatly exagerated > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
On 4/22/07, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mike wilson wrote: > > >Mark Cassino wrote: > > > >> Over all though, it took hours to copy these files. Since it was a > >> background task on a machine that I just use for scanning and > streaming > >> NPR, it wasn't a major problem. But I have roughly 700 more CD's that > >> someday will have to be moved - if not onto DVD's then onto some > future > >> media. > >> > >> The thought of that makes me shudder... > > > >But... digital makes thing so easy! Everyone says so! It must be true. > > Hey just think about me "backing up" the hundreds of slides and > negatives in my archives! You have students don't you.:-) Dave > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" Subject: Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD >> > If you'd said "hundreds of rolls", which is my situation (maybe even > thousands) I might have some sympathy. 8-) You need to be more cutthroat about your editing process. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: > mike wilson wrote: > > >>Mark Cassino wrote: >> >> >>>Over all though, it took hours to copy these files. Since it was a >>>background task on a machine that I just use for scanning and > > streaming > >>>NPR, it wasn't a major problem. But I have roughly 700 more CD's that >>>someday will have to be moved - if not onto DVD's then onto some > > future > >>>media. >>> >>>The thought of that makes me shudder... >> >>But... digital makes thing so easy! Everyone says so! It must be true. > > > Hey just think about me "backing up" the hundreds of slides and > negatives in my archives! > > If you'd said "hundreds of rolls", which is my situation (maybe even thousands) I might have some sympathy. 8-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: >>> >>> The thought of that makes me shudder... >> But... digital makes thing so easy! Everyone says so! It must be true. > > Hey just think about me "backing up" the hundreds of slides and > negatives in my archives! Just send them to the lab to be dupped :-) - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
The purpose of RAID 1 or 5 is to have redundant copies of the data. In a properly setup redundant array a failed drive is simply replaced and it is restored from the other drives. You can actually set up a RAID system where this is done totally automatically (RAID 5 with a hot spare drive) but most of us home users will be comfortable with shutting down the system swapping out the bad drive and then letting it restore itself on boot up. There is an intermediate system with hot swappable drives but it tends to be more expensive to set up than the hot spare system these days. -graywolf AlexG wrote: > Presumably so they aren't spinning for nothing, assuming they won't > power down on thier own. > > MTBF for hard disks is reported to be greatly exagerated -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
Thanks Godfrey, and everyone else who contributed. It looks like the external drives are the way to go - I guess I'll just proceed with this approach going forward and then start chipping away at the older stuff sitting on CD's and DVD's. A quick tally shows I have 305 DVD's and 813 CD's storing image files that I would want to move to the external drives. If I'm doing the math right that would work out to about 1.8 TB of data (I figure that most of the disk have some degree of slack space on them). I guess I'll start by getting a couple of 500 gig or larger external drives and at go forward with those - then add in the old stuff as I get the chance to work on it. At the prices you quote the 8 500 gig drives I'd need for two copies of the data on these disks would only be about $1,000, and as I work on these the prices will come down. Though, looking around the Internet (even Frys site) I'm seeing prices more in the $150 - 175 per 500 gig drive. Since March 30, the date to which I last cleaned and organized my PC, I've shot about 40 gigs of new images. Things are just starting to pick up but I'd guess that a 500 gig drive would hold 6 - 9 months of data, so that would be about $500 a year for storage. I just have to remind myself of how much I used to spend on film processing to justify the expense The only concern I have is that it seems like this approach puts a lot of eggs in one basket, so to speak. I've had a few few CD's go bad (no DVD's - yet) but when they do the loss has been manageable since there are so few files per unite of storage. But losing a 500 gb drive would be a lot. But I guess that's why total redundancy is needed... Thanks again - MCC Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Do yourself a huge favor: > > - Buy a pair of Seagate 500Gbyte external drives. I was at Fry's just > yesterday ... in USB 2.0 only enclosures, these drives would cost > $119 apiece; USB2/FireWire 400 enclosures and the price goes up to > $190 right now. > > - Move all the data from the CDs/DVDs to one of the drives. > > - Copy the entire drive to the other. > > - Backup new data, as you generate it, to both drives. > > - Dismount, disconnect, and unplug the drives when not in use for > backup. > > When they become outdated by 1Terabyte drives at the same price, buy > another pair and move the data to them. > etc > > It's the most efficient, easily maintained, reliable backup/archive > system available today. You can get some low-cost backup software > that will make doing this job fast, easy, consistent and efficient. I > do this myself, have been for five years now. It works flawlessly and > is FAR easier to maintain than mountains of CDs and DVDs. And it's > fast enough to actually be useful. > > Godfrey > > > On Apr 21, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Mark Cassino wrote: > >> One of the things that was kicked around with the advent of digital >> was >> the need to move data from one storage medium to another as they >> become obsolete. >> >> A couple of days ago ago I decided to move the data off 69 CD's, which >> held the "best" of my *ist-D shots for the first few months I had it, >> before getting a DVD burner. >> >> I have to say - it was more of a hassle than I expected. I have a >> spare >> computer here and just fed it the CD's as I was working on the main >> PC. >> The CD's were about 5 years old and none of them were bad - but some >> read fairly slowly, sometimes taking up to 15 minutes to copy onto the >> hard drive, vs 3 to 5 minutes for most. A couple failed with CRC >> errors >> on the first attempt, but then copied successfully after taking >> them out >> and wiping them with a lens cleaning cloth. >> >> Now I have 42 gigs of files to burn onto a few DVD's. >> >> My main motivation for doing this was to make it easier to find some >> images - these CD's had the original PEF's plus 16 bit final TIFF's on >> them, and the files came together in a way that left room for only >> 5 or >> 6 images per CD, with a fair amount of wasted space on each disk. >> >> Over all though, it took hours to copy these files. Since it was a >> background task on a machine that I just use for scanning and >> streaming >> NPR, it wasn't a major problem. But I have roughly 700 more CD's that >> someday will have to be moved - if not onto DVD's then onto some >> future >> media. >> >> The thought of that makes me shudder... >> >> - MCC >> >> -- >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Mark Cassino Photography >> Kalamazoo, Michigan >> www.markcassino.com >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yeah, but it was easier than scanning a closet full of negatives, wasn't it? Redundant (RAID 1) hard drives seem to be the best way to handle archiving these days, at least for us who can not afford tetrabyte tape drives. Heck of a note when primary storage is cheaper than secondary, isn't it? -graywolf Mark Cassino wrote: > One of the things that was kicked around with the advent of digital was > the need to move data from one storage medium to another as they > become obsolete. > > A couple of days ago ago I decided to move the data off 69 CD's, which > held the "best" of my *ist-D shots for the first few months I had it, > before getting a DVD burner. > > I have to say - it was more of a hassle than I expected. I have a spare > computer here and just fed it the CD's as I was working on the main PC. > The CD's were about 5 years old and none of them were bad - but some > read fairly slowly, sometimes taking up to 15 minutes to copy onto the > hard drive, vs 3 to 5 minutes for most. A couple failed with CRC errors > on the first attempt, but then copied successfully after taking them out > and wiping them with a lens cleaning cloth. > > Now I have 42 gigs of files to burn onto a few DVD's. > > My main motivation for doing this was to make it easier to find some > images - these CD's had the original PEF's plus 16 bit final TIFF's on > them, and the files came together in a way that left room for only 5 or > 6 images per CD, with a fair amount of wasted space on each disk. > > Over all though, it took hours to copy these files. Since it was a > background task on a machine that I just use for scanning and streaming > NPR, it wasn't a major problem. But I have roughly 700 more CD's that > someday will have to be moved - if not onto DVD's then onto some future > media. > > The thought of that makes me shudder... > > - MCC > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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mike wilson wrote: >Mark Cassino wrote: > >> Over all though, it took hours to copy these files. Since it was a >> background task on a machine that I just use for scanning and streaming >> NPR, it wasn't a major problem. But I have roughly 700 more CD's that >> someday will have to be moved - if not onto DVD's then onto some future >> media. >> >> The thought of that makes me shudder... > >But... digital makes thing so easy! Everyone says so! It must be true. Hey just think about me "backing up" the hundreds of slides and negatives in my archives! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Apr 22, 2007, at 4:02 AM, mike wilson wrote: > But... digital makes thing so easy! Everyone says so! It must be > true. Only fools believe 'what some people say' without question. I don't believe you are a fool. ;-) I reconfigured my systems' directory structures after adopting Lightroom to make things work more sensibly with the new workflow. That involved moving about 3 terabytes of data around in a careful manner so as not to lose or risk anything. No matter how easy it is to do, even with hard drive based archives, it took about four days' work. That's a lot of information to manage, no matter what. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Spin up and spin down *are* the highest stress points of failure ... I don't turn them on and off a lot for that reason. The external Seagate drives I use have automatic shutdown and park as well as auto startup when a drive request is made anyway, and do it efficiently with reasonable timeouts. No, the reason to dismount, disconnect and unplug is a) prevent human error from mis-managing the archive and b) protect them against inadvertent system malfunction or power spikes as best possible. Hard drives in external enclosures with good power supply and cooling are remarkably reliable, in my experience. I have several now that are up to 12 years old and still working perfectly despite being used heavily, but their limited capacities make them mostly useless now ... Some of my larger *files* won't even fit on a 200M hard drive any more, and at one time that was enough for a quite respectable complete bootable system. Godfrey On Apr 22, 2007, at 2:20 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Spinning up and down is much worse for the bearings than continuous > spinning. > > AlexG wrote: >> Presumably so they aren't spinning for nothing, assuming they won't >> power down on thier own. >> >> MTBF for hard disks is reported to be greatly exagerated >> >> On 4/22/07, Maris V. Lidaka Sr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> I like your idea, but why "Dismount, disconnect, and unplug the >>> drives when >>> not in use for backup."? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
Or use Karen's (freeware) Replicator - it does the same thing, and will delete files no longer on the primary hard disk: http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp Maris Toine wrote: > My setup is similar with one exception. I copy the files to the first > harddisc and the contents of this harddisc are synchronized daily with > dirsync to the second backup drive. > http://www.archersoft.com (it's only $ 24.95 and works perfectly). > > Toine > > On 4/22/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Do yourself a huge favor: >> >> - Buy a pair of Seagate 500Gbyte external drives. I was at Fry's just >> yesterday ... in USB 2.0 only enclosures, these drives would cost >> $119 apiece; USB2/FireWire 400 enclosures and the price goes up to >> $190 right now. >> >> - Move all the data from the CDs/DVDs to one of the drives. >> >> - Copy the entire drive to the other. >> >> - Backup new data, as you generate it, to both drives. >> >> - Dismount, disconnect, and unplug the drives when not in use for >> backup. >> >> When they become outdated by 1Terabyte drives at the same price, buy >> another pair and move the data to them. >> etc >> >> It's the most efficient, easily maintained, reliable backup/archive >> system available today. You can get some low-cost backup software >> that will make doing this job fast, easy, consistent and efficient. I >> do this myself, have been for five years now. It works flawlessly and >> is FAR easier to maintain than mountains of CDs and DVDs. And it's >> fast enough to actually be useful. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
Mark Cassino wrote: > Over all though, it took hours to copy these files. Since it was a > background task on a machine that I just use for scanning and streaming > NPR, it wasn't a major problem. But I have roughly 700 more CD's that > someday will have to be moved - if not onto DVD's then onto some future > media. > > The thought of that makes me shudder... But... digital makes thing so easy! Everyone says so! It must be true. How much do you charge for your time? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
Spinning up and down is much worse for the bearings than continuous spinning. AlexG wrote: > Presumably so they aren't spinning for nothing, assuming they won't > power down on thier own. > > MTBF for hard disks is reported to be greatly exagerated > > On 4/22/07, Maris V. Lidaka Sr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I like your idea, but why "Dismount, disconnect, and unplug the drives when >> not in use for backup."? >> >> Maris >> >> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> >>> Do yourself a huge favor: >>> >>> - Buy a pair of Seagate 500Gbyte external drives. I was at Fry's just >>> yesterday ... in USB 2.0 only enclosures, these drives would cost >>> $119 apiece; USB2/FireWire 400 enclosures and the price goes up to >>> $190 right now. >>> >>> - Move all the data from the CDs/DVDs to one of the drives. >>> >>> - Copy the entire drive to the other. >>> >>> - Backup new data, as you generate it, to both drives. >>> >>> - Dismount, disconnect, and unplug the drives when not in use for >>> backup. >>> >>> When they become outdated by 1Terabyte drives at the same price, buy >>> another pair and move the data to them. >>> etc >>> >>> It's the most efficient, easily maintained, reliable backup/archive >>> system available today. You can get some low-cost backup software >>> that will make doing this job fast, easy, consistent and efficient. I >>> do this myself, have been for five years now. It works flawlessly and >>> is FAR easier to maintain than mountains of CDs and DVDs. And it's >>> fast enough to actually be useful. >>> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> > > -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
Same here, only I use ChronoSync on Mac OS X to do the synchronization work. G On Apr 21, 2007, at 11:43 PM, Toine wrote: > My setup is similar with one exception. I copy the files to the first > harddisc and the contents of this harddisc are synchronized daily with > dirsync to the second backup drive. > http://www.archersoft.com (it's only $ 24.95 and works perfectly). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
To protect them from inadvertent damage as much as possible. G On Apr 21, 2007, at 10:02 PM, Maris V. Lidaka Sr. wrote: > I like your idea, but why "Dismount, disconnect, and unplug the > drives when > not in use for backup."? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
My setup is similar with one exception. I copy the files to the first harddisc and the contents of this harddisc are synchronized daily with dirsync to the second backup drive. http://www.archersoft.com (it's only $ 24.95 and works perfectly). Toine On 4/22/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do yourself a huge favor: > > - Buy a pair of Seagate 500Gbyte external drives. I was at Fry's just > yesterday ... in USB 2.0 only enclosures, these drives would cost > $119 apiece; USB2/FireWire 400 enclosures and the price goes up to > $190 right now. > > - Move all the data from the CDs/DVDs to one of the drives. > > - Copy the entire drive to the other. > > - Backup new data, as you generate it, to both drives. > > - Dismount, disconnect, and unplug the drives when not in use for > backup. > > When they become outdated by 1Terabyte drives at the same price, buy > another pair and move the data to them. > etc > > It's the most efficient, easily maintained, reliable backup/archive > system available today. You can get some low-cost backup software > that will make doing this job fast, easy, consistent and efficient. I > do this myself, have been for five years now. It works flawlessly and > is FAR easier to maintain than mountains of CDs and DVDs. And it's > fast enough to actually be useful. > > Godfrey > > > On Apr 21, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Mark Cassino wrote: > > > One of the things that was kicked around with the advent of digital > > was > > the need to move data from one storage medium to another as they > > become obsolete. > > > > A couple of days ago ago I decided to move the data off 69 CD's, which > > held the "best" of my *ist-D shots for the first few months I had it, > > before getting a DVD burner. > > > > I have to say - it was more of a hassle than I expected. I have a > > spare > > computer here and just fed it the CD's as I was working on the main > > PC. > > The CD's were about 5 years old and none of them were bad - but some > > read fairly slowly, sometimes taking up to 15 minutes to copy onto the > > hard drive, vs 3 to 5 minutes for most. A couple failed with CRC > > errors > > on the first attempt, but then copied successfully after taking > > them out > > and wiping them with a lens cleaning cloth. > > > > Now I have 42 gigs of files to burn onto a few DVD's. > > > > My main motivation for doing this was to make it easier to find some > > images - these CD's had the original PEF's plus 16 bit final TIFF's on > > them, and the files came together in a way that left room for only > > 5 or > > 6 images per CD, with a fair amount of wasted space on each disk. > > > > Over all though, it took hours to copy these files. Since it was a > > background task on a machine that I just use for scanning and > > streaming > > NPR, it wasn't a major problem. But I have roughly 700 more CD's that > > someday will have to be moved - if not onto DVD's then onto some > > future > > media. > > > > The thought of that makes me shudder... > > > > - MCC > > > > -- > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Mark Cassino Photography > > Kalamazoo, Michigan > > www.markcassino.com > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
Presumably so they aren't spinning for nothing, assuming they won't power down on thier own. MTBF for hard disks is reported to be greatly exagerated On 4/22/07, Maris V. Lidaka Sr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like your idea, but why "Dismount, disconnect, and unplug the drives when > not in use for backup."? > > Maris > > Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Do yourself a huge favor: > > > > - Buy a pair of Seagate 500Gbyte external drives. I was at Fry's just > > yesterday ... in USB 2.0 only enclosures, these drives would cost > > $119 apiece; USB2/FireWire 400 enclosures and the price goes up to > > $190 right now. > > > > - Move all the data from the CDs/DVDs to one of the drives. > > > > - Copy the entire drive to the other. > > > > - Backup new data, as you generate it, to both drives. > > > > - Dismount, disconnect, and unplug the drives when not in use for > > backup. > > > > When they become outdated by 1Terabyte drives at the same price, buy > > another pair and move the data to them. > > etc > > > > It's the most efficient, easily maintained, reliable backup/archive > > system available today. You can get some low-cost backup software > > that will make doing this job fast, easy, consistent and efficient. I > > do this myself, have been for five years now. It works flawlessly and > > is FAR easier to maintain than mountains of CDs and DVDs. And it's > > fast enough to actually be useful. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
As has been mentioned, magnetic storage is the way to go. And if you're paranoid, redundant magnetic storage, like Raid 1. Some of my earlier dvds are already unreadable, but I recently plugged in a 12-year old computer and it booted right in to windows 95. Good ole P100. On 4/22/07, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Boris Liberman" > Subject: Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD > > > > Mark, > > > > Mark Cassino wrote: > >> ... > >> Over all though, it took hours to copy these files. Since it was a > >> background task on a machine that I just use for scanning and streaming > >> NPR, it wasn't a major problem. But I have roughly 700 more CD's that > >> someday will have to be moved - if not onto DVD's then onto some future > >> media. > >> > >> The thought of that makes me shudder... > > > > I am with Godfrey about this. I've an external 0.5 TB hard drive and I > > am using EMC Retrospect software (that came with the HD) to weekly or > > even more often back up all my hard drives. I've been shooting less than > > you but in principle it is very similar solution. I've few tens of CDs > > and less than ten DVDs but I've decided to not bother with smaller > > media. After all, one good shoot and I can fill up the whole DVD... > > Based on Godfrey recommending this some time ago, I installed a 300gb drive > into my computer for image and other data storage, and then bought an > external enclosure with a 300gb drive installed as a back up to the internal > drive. > When I fill them up, I'll move on to another internal/external drive > arrangement. > > William Robb > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
I like your idea, but why "Dismount, disconnect, and unplug the drives when not in use for backup."? Maris Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > Do yourself a huge favor: > > - Buy a pair of Seagate 500Gbyte external drives. I was at Fry's just > yesterday ... in USB 2.0 only enclosures, these drives would cost > $119 apiece; USB2/FireWire 400 enclosures and the price goes up to > $190 right now. > > - Move all the data from the CDs/DVDs to one of the drives. > > - Copy the entire drive to the other. > > - Backup new data, as you generate it, to both drives. > > - Dismount, disconnect, and unplug the drives when not in use for > backup. > > When they become outdated by 1Terabyte drives at the same price, buy > another pair and move the data to them. > etc > > It's the most efficient, easily maintained, reliable backup/archive > system available today. You can get some low-cost backup software > that will make doing this job fast, easy, consistent and efficient. I > do this myself, have been for five years now. It works flawlessly and > is FAR easier to maintain than mountains of CDs and DVDs. And it's > fast enough to actually be useful. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
- Original Message - From: "Boris Liberman" Subject: Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD > Mark, > > Mark Cassino wrote: >> ... >> Over all though, it took hours to copy these files. Since it was a >> background task on a machine that I just use for scanning and streaming >> NPR, it wasn't a major problem. But I have roughly 700 more CD's that >> someday will have to be moved - if not onto DVD's then onto some future >> media. >> >> The thought of that makes me shudder... > > I am with Godfrey about this. I've an external 0.5 TB hard drive and I > am using EMC Retrospect software (that came with the HD) to weekly or > even more often back up all my hard drives. I've been shooting less than > you but in principle it is very similar solution. I've few tens of CDs > and less than ten DVDs but I've decided to not bother with smaller > media. After all, one good shoot and I can fill up the whole DVD... Based on Godfrey recommending this some time ago, I installed a 300gb drive into my computer for image and other data storage, and then bought an external enclosure with a 300gb drive installed as a back up to the internal drive. When I fill them up, I'll move on to another internal/external drive arrangement. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
I second Godfrey's advice. I just got two WD Mybook 500GB drives. USB 2 + Firewire, ~$170 at Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136030 They are set up as one 500GB RAID volume, and have all my istD, K10D, film scans, and images from various p&s cameras. I do have some extra redundancy though: one 250 and one 180 drives that used to have the same data are still there. Plus my 'keepers' are in my ipod, which mostly lives at work. Plus in my spare time I'm slowly making two sets of DVDs, and will leave one at work and the other in my apartment in Argentina, just in case. Call me paranoid :) j On 4/21/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do yourself a huge favor: > > - Buy a pair of Seagate 500Gbyte external drives. I was at Fry's just > yesterday ... in USB 2.0 only enclosures, these drives would cost > $119 apiece; USB2/FireWire 400 enclosures and the price goes up to > $190 right now. > > - Move all the data from the CDs/DVDs to one of the drives. > > - Copy the entire drive to the other. > > - Backup new data, as you generate it, to both drives. > > - Dismount, disconnect, and unplug the drives when not in use for > backup. > > When they become outdated by 1Terabyte drives at the same price, buy > another pair and move the data to them. > etc > > It's the most efficient, easily maintained, reliable backup/archive > system available today. You can get some low-cost backup software > that will make doing this job fast, easy, consistent and efficient. I > do this myself, have been for five years now. It works flawlessly and > is FAR easier to maintain than mountains of CDs and DVDs. And it's > fast enough to actually be useful. > > Godfrey > > > On Apr 21, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Mark Cassino wrote: > > > One of the things that was kicked around with the advent of digital > > was > > the need to move data from one storage medium to another as they > > become obsolete. > > > > A couple of days ago ago I decided to move the data off 69 CD's, which > > held the "best" of my *ist-D shots for the first few months I had it, > > before getting a DVD burner. > > > > I have to say - it was more of a hassle than I expected. I have a > > spare > > computer here and just fed it the CD's as I was working on the main > > PC. > > The CD's were about 5 years old and none of them were bad - but some > > read fairly slowly, sometimes taking up to 15 minutes to copy onto the > > hard drive, vs 3 to 5 minutes for most. A couple failed with CRC > > errors > > on the first attempt, but then copied successfully after taking > > them out > > and wiping them with a lens cleaning cloth. > > > > Now I have 42 gigs of files to burn onto a few DVD's. > > > > My main motivation for doing this was to make it easier to find some > > images - these CD's had the original PEF's plus 16 bit final TIFF's on > > them, and the files came together in a way that left room for only > > 5 or > > 6 images per CD, with a fair amount of wasted space on each disk. > > > > Over all though, it took hours to copy these files. Since it was a > > background task on a machine that I just use for scanning and > > streaming > > NPR, it wasn't a major problem. But I have roughly 700 more CD's that > > someday will have to be moved - if not onto DVD's then onto some > > future > > media. > > > > The thought of that makes me shudder... > > > > - MCC > > > > -- > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Mark Cassino Photography > > Kalamazoo, Michigan > > www.markcassino.com > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com a book: http://www.jbuhler.com/book.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
Mark, Mark Cassino wrote: > ... > Over all though, it took hours to copy these files. Since it was a > background task on a machine that I just use for scanning and streaming > NPR, it wasn't a major problem. But I have roughly 700 more CD's that > someday will have to be moved - if not onto DVD's then onto some future > media. > > The thought of that makes me shudder... I am with Godfrey about this. I've an external 0.5 TB hard drive and I am using EMC Retrospect software (that came with the HD) to weekly or even more often back up all my hard drives. I've been shooting less than you but in principle it is very similar solution. I've few tens of CDs and less than ten DVDs but I've decided to not bother with smaller media. After all, one good shoot and I can fill up the whole DVD... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
Do yourself a huge favor: - Buy a pair of Seagate 500Gbyte external drives. I was at Fry's just yesterday ... in USB 2.0 only enclosures, these drives would cost $119 apiece; USB2/FireWire 400 enclosures and the price goes up to $190 right now. - Move all the data from the CDs/DVDs to one of the drives. - Copy the entire drive to the other. - Backup new data, as you generate it, to both drives. - Dismount, disconnect, and unplug the drives when not in use for backup. When they become outdated by 1Terabyte drives at the same price, buy another pair and move the data to them. etc It's the most efficient, easily maintained, reliable backup/archive system available today. You can get some low-cost backup software that will make doing this job fast, easy, consistent and efficient. I do this myself, have been for five years now. It works flawlessly and is FAR easier to maintain than mountains of CDs and DVDs. And it's fast enough to actually be useful. Godfrey On Apr 21, 2007, at 7:03 PM, Mark Cassino wrote: > One of the things that was kicked around with the advent of digital > was > the need to move data from one storage medium to another as they > become obsolete. > > A couple of days ago ago I decided to move the data off 69 CD's, which > held the "best" of my *ist-D shots for the first few months I had it, > before getting a DVD burner. > > I have to say - it was more of a hassle than I expected. I have a > spare > computer here and just fed it the CD's as I was working on the main > PC. > The CD's were about 5 years old and none of them were bad - but some > read fairly slowly, sometimes taking up to 15 minutes to copy onto the > hard drive, vs 3 to 5 minutes for most. A couple failed with CRC > errors > on the first attempt, but then copied successfully after taking > them out > and wiping them with a lens cleaning cloth. > > Now I have 42 gigs of files to burn onto a few DVD's. > > My main motivation for doing this was to make it easier to find some > images - these CD's had the original PEF's plus 16 bit final TIFF's on > them, and the files came together in a way that left room for only > 5 or > 6 images per CD, with a fair amount of wasted space on each disk. > > Over all though, it took hours to copy these files. Since it was a > background task on a machine that I just use for scanning and > streaming > NPR, it wasn't a major problem. But I have roughly 700 more CD's that > someday will have to be moved - if not onto DVD's then onto some > future > media. > > The thought of that makes me shudder... > > - MCC > > -- > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Mark Cassino Photography > Kalamazoo, Michigan > www.markcassino.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Image File Transfers - CD to DVD
One of the things that was kicked around with the advent of digital was the need to move data from one storage medium to another as they become obsolete. A couple of days ago ago I decided to move the data off 69 CD's, which held the "best" of my *ist-D shots for the first few months I had it, before getting a DVD burner. I have to say - it was more of a hassle than I expected. I have a spare computer here and just fed it the CD's as I was working on the main PC. The CD's were about 5 years old and none of them were bad - but some read fairly slowly, sometimes taking up to 15 minutes to copy onto the hard drive, vs 3 to 5 minutes for most. A couple failed with CRC errors on the first attempt, but then copied successfully after taking them out and wiping them with a lens cleaning cloth. Now I have 42 gigs of files to burn onto a few DVD's. My main motivation for doing this was to make it easier to find some images - these CD's had the original PEF's plus 16 bit final TIFF's on them, and the files came together in a way that left room for only 5 or 6 images per CD, with a fair amount of wasted space on each disk. Over all though, it took hours to copy these files. Since it was a background task on a machine that I just use for scanning and streaming NPR, it wasn't a major problem. But I have roughly 700 more CD's that someday will have to be moved - if not onto DVD's then onto some future media. The thought of that makes me shudder... - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
