Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade?
Thanks Bill. Good info. > On Oct 26, 2018, at 11:42 AM, William Robb > wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:03 AM Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> Has anyone sent in a camera for the upgrade? I think both Stan and Bill >> have done so. How long did it take? Is there a marked improvement in >> performance over the original? Any downside other than price? > > > I didn’t bother as the upgrade wasn’t giving me anything I especially care > about. The brouhaha about the noise reduction is, IMHO, an overreaction. > The very thorough test that Pentax Forums did showed that noise was > reduced, detail wasn’t. The test that DPR did showed the opposite, but DPR > has a long history of not being able to run a test without fucking > something up. > If you do a lot of shooting at higher ISOs the upgrade would be a good > thing. > > Bill > > > >> >> Paul >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade?
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:03 AM Paul Stenquist wrote: > Has anyone sent in a camera for the upgrade? I think both Stan and Bill > have done so. How long did it take? Is there a marked improvement in > performance over the original? Any downside other than price? I didn’t bother as the upgrade wasn’t giving me anything I especially care about. The brouhaha about the noise reduction is, IMHO, an overreaction. The very thorough test that Pentax Forums did showed that noise was reduced, detail wasn’t. The test that DPR did showed the opposite, but DPR has a long history of not being able to run a test without fucking something up. If you do a lot of shooting at higher ISOs the upgrade would be a good thing. Bill > > Paul > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade?
Hey, I just posted a lengthy reply to Larry's question on K10D vs K20D vs K100D image quality, which I hope is informative. So there is some Pentax content. On 10/25/2018 11:32 PM, John wrote: Oooh! Harsh! 8^) On 10/25/2018 13:45, Paul Stenquist wrote: Tough to get any Pentax info here. Leica, yes. Pentax, no. On Oct 25, 2018, at 1:43 PM, John wrote: On 10/25/2018 12:01, Paul Stenquist wrote: Has anyone sent in a camera for the upgrade? I think both Stan and Bill have done so. How long did it take? Is there a marked improvement in performance over the original? Any downside other than price? Paul I was thinking about that just the other day (Monday in fact). Isn't it getting close to the end of the period Ricoh were offering the upgrade? I hope someone who has had the upgrade done & has had a chance to evaluate the upgrade will share so that some of us who are still on the fence about it will still have time to send ours in if it turns out to be a good deal. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade?
Oooh! Harsh! 8^) On 10/25/2018 13:45, Paul Stenquist wrote: Tough to get any Pentax info here. Leica, yes. Pentax, no. On Oct 25, 2018, at 1:43 PM, John wrote: On 10/25/2018 12:01, Paul Stenquist wrote: Has anyone sent in a camera for the upgrade? I think both Stan and Bill have done so. How long did it take? Is there a marked improvement in performance over the original? Any downside other than price? Paul I was thinking about that just the other day (Monday in fact). Isn't it getting close to the end of the period Ricoh were offering the upgrade? I hope someone who has had the upgrade done & has had a chance to evaluate the upgrade will share so that some of us who are still on the fence about it will still have time to send ours in if it turns out to be a good deal. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade?
Pentax Don't Make Leicas...? > On 25 Oct 2018, at 19:47, Ken Waller wrote: > > Photography Discussion Mainly Leica ? > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" > Subject: Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade? > > >> Tough to get any Pentax info here. Leica, yes. Pentax, no. >> >>> On Oct 25, 2018, at 1:43 PM, John wrote: >>> >>> On 10/25/2018 12:01, Paul Stenquist wrote: >>>> Has anyone sent in a camera for the upgrade? I think both Stan and Bill >>>> have >>>> done so. How long did it take? Is there a marked improvement in performance >>>> over the original? Any downside other than price? >>>> Paul >>> >>> I was thinking about that just the other day (Monday in fact). Isn't it >>> getting close to the end of the period Ricoh were offering the upgrade? >>> >>> I hope someone who has had the upgrade done & has had a chance to evaluate >>> the upgrade will share so that some of us who are still on the fence about >>> it will still have time to send ours in if it turns out to be a good deal. >>> >>> -- >>> Science - Questions we may never find answers for. >>> Religion - Answers we must never question. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade?
Thanks Joe. I too shoot a lot of high ISO, particularly when shooting wildlife or sports. I will probably pass. Paul > On Oct 25, 2018, at 4:20 PM, jtainter wrote: > > Paul, the main controversy concerns the fact that Pentax added unavoidable, > baked in noise reduction, apparently kicking in at ISO 640. It cannot be > turned off. Some people are bothered by the resulting images being softened a > little, some people are bothered by it in principal, some people don't mind > it, and some people don't notice it. I avoided the Mark II upgrade largely > because of this. I shoot a lot at higher ISO settings. Dpreview dinged Pentax > for it, but the camera got a better review at Pentax Forums. > > Some people report better AF. > > Another reason why I avoided it is because I would have had to recalibrate > all my lenses for focus accuracy. > > Joe > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade?
Paul, the main controversy concerns the fact that Pentax added unavoidable, baked in noise reduction, apparently kicking in at ISO 640. It cannot be turned off. Some people are bothered by the resulting images being softened a little, some people are bothered by it in principal, some people don't mind it, and some people don't notice it. I avoided the Mark II upgrade largely because of this. I shoot a lot at higher ISO settings. Dpreview dinged Pentax for it, but the camera got a better review at Pentax Forums. Some people report better AF. Another reason why I avoided it is because I would have had to recalibrate all my lenses for focus accuracy. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade?
Battery life isn’t a factor for me. I always shoot with the grip installed and have never come close to depleting the batteries. I asked before about the resulting improvement but got no answer here. It may be too late for the upgrade now. Should have asked on Pentax Forum, but I hate navigating that site. I’ll call the provider, but still hope to hear from someone about any improvement in performance. Paul > On Oct 25, 2018, at 3:01 PM, postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: > > Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> Has anyone sent in a camera for the upgrade? I think both Stan and Bill have >> done so. How long did it take? Is there a marked improvement in performance >> over the original? Any downside other than price? > > I haven't done it. The improved features didn't seem to be worth the > reduced battery life, at least not for the shoting I do. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade?
Paul Stenquist wrote: >Has anyone sent in a camera for the upgrade? I think both Stan and Bill have >done so. How long did it take? Is there a marked improvement in performance >over the original? Any downside other than price? I haven't done it. The improved features didn't seem to be worth the reduced battery life, at least not for the shoting I do. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade?
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 8:44 PM John wrote: > > On 10/25/2018 12:01, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > Has anyone sent in a camera for the upgrade? I think both Stan and Bill have > > done so. How long did it take? Is there a marked improvement in performance > > over the original? Any downside other than price? > > > > Paul > > > > I was thinking about that just the other day (Monday in fact). Isn't it > getting > close to the end of the period Ricoh were offering the upgrade? > > I hope someone who has had the upgrade done & has had a chance to evaluate the > upgrade will share so that some of us who are still on the fence about it will > still have time to send ours in if it turns out to be a good deal. The period ended last month; but check for an extension if you want to do the upgrade. Around here (Europe, the upgrade done by the Hamburg service) I was told that I had to register for the upgrade until the end of September, but the upgrade itself will be done later - and they're still waiting for another batch of K1 II mainboards. Alex -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade?
Photography Discussion Mainly Leica ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade? Tough to get any Pentax info here. Leica, yes. Pentax, no. On Oct 25, 2018, at 1:43 PM, John wrote: On 10/25/2018 12:01, Paul Stenquist wrote: Has anyone sent in a camera for the upgrade? I think both Stan and Bill have done so. How long did it take? Is there a marked improvement in performance over the original? Any downside other than price? Paul I was thinking about that just the other day (Monday in fact). Isn't it getting close to the end of the period Ricoh were offering the upgrade? I hope someone who has had the upgrade done & has had a chance to evaluate the upgrade will share so that some of us who are still on the fence about it will still have time to send ours in if it turns out to be a good deal. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade?
Tough to get any Pentax info here. Leica, yes. Pentax, no. > On Oct 25, 2018, at 1:43 PM, John wrote: > > On 10/25/2018 12:01, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> Has anyone sent in a camera for the upgrade? I think both Stan and Bill have >> done so. How long did it take? Is there a marked improvement in performance >> over the original? Any downside other than price? >> Paul > > I was thinking about that just the other day (Monday in fact). Isn't it > getting close to the end of the period Ricoh were offering the upgrade? > > I hope someone who has had the upgrade done & has had a chance to evaluate > the upgrade will share so that some of us who are still on the fence about it > will still have time to send ours in if it turns out to be a good deal. > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade?
On 10/25/2018 12:01, Paul Stenquist wrote: Has anyone sent in a camera for the upgrade? I think both Stan and Bill have done so. How long did it take? Is there a marked improvement in performance over the original? Any downside other than price? Paul I was thinking about that just the other day (Monday in fact). Isn't it getting close to the end of the period Ricoh were offering the upgrade? I hope someone who has had the upgrade done & has had a chance to evaluate the upgrade will share so that some of us who are still on the fence about it will still have time to send ours in if it turns out to be a good deal. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K-1 Mark II Upgrade?
Has anyone sent in a camera for the upgrade? I think both Stan and Bill have done so. How long did it take? Is there a marked improvement in performance over the original? Any downside other than price? Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
