Re: Lightpainting

[David Savage]

On 7 September 2011 16:50, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I think I've seen you do light painting with your maglight before.  Why not 
> use a speedlight? With a 100 second exposure, you could get plenty of 
> targeted flashes.

It's just too hard. With the flashlight you can see where the light is
falling & can control the spill easily by masking the light with your
hand as your doing it.

It's kinda' like burning in a print in the dark room.

WYSIWYG.

DS

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Re: Lightpainting

[Larry Colen]

On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

> John Francis  wrote:
> 
>> Well, as in all things, you can go too far either way.
> 
> Nonsense! Live for the extremes, I say!
> ;-)

Why not go for both extremes?

Do the long shutter speed in low light, to about half exposure, then hit it 
with a flash, about 1 stop under, to get a double exposure with the water 
frozen in place.

:-)

Seriously though,  when I first looked at the photo, I looked at it before 
noticing the technical details, and just looking at the length of the star 
tracks I knew it was a *really* _long_ exposure.  While I think that overly 
blurred water is an effect that is way over used, there are times where that is 
what you're going to get, and this was one of them. And, to me, it works.

I don't know what the geographic limitations you were working  under were.  I 
think that the composition of the background is just about perfect, but would 
prefer it if the foreground ere shifted a bit to the right.  It's hard to tell 
scale with that wide of a lens, but I suspect that with the camera a meter or 
so to the left the overly prominent bush on the right would be mostly out of 
the frame.  However, there's a really good chance that moving the camera a 
meter or so to the left would put it in the middle of the stream.  

I think I've seen you do light painting with your maglight before.  Why not use 
a speedlight? With a 100 second exposure, you could get plenty of targeted 
flashes.  


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Lightpainting

[Bipin Gupta]

I am truly sorry, and never an offence meant. The type of motion blur
- aircraft propellers, wheels of a moving car
or a leaping leopard - mentioned by you, is perfectly natural and adds
to the beauty of a photograph. All I
mentioned was that in quite a few lovely waterfall shots, water shows
up as frozen gas - an extreme example
of HDR or other photo techniques.
I am absolutely not opposed to PP as long as it is aesthetic, as I
myself use Photoshop CS5 quite often.
And certainly one posts photos on this great site for feedback, which
I did out of no malice whatsoever. PDML
been a great learning experience for me. Hope it has been for you too.
May the Force be with you. Regards. Bipin.

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Re: Lightpainting

[Ann Sanfedele]

thanks, Bruce
Yeah - it isn't my kind of thing but I never saw it before...
It reminds me of photos taken at night with a strobe or flash to
get the foreground in... No objection to the frothy falls.. it is just 
all a bit too busy for me.  But I liked your "essay" on subjectiveness 
bruce:-)


ann

On 9/6/2011 16:12, Bruce Walker wrote:

Ann, it's from this message:


Message-ID:

Subject: OT PESO - Lightpainting
From: David Savage

G'day All,

Something a bit different:

<http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6081/6095367795_cc173f8bb5_o.jpg

D700, AF-S 14-24mm @ 14mm. 100 seconds @ f8, ISO 400.

Illumination provided by my mini Maglite.

Enjoy.

DS




On 11-09-06 3:28 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I said I wasnt going to be here but
Bipin - where is the photo you are referring to?
since someone apparently thought I commented on it I better find out eh?

LUrking is hard --
I want to jump in but shouldn't - not enough time

ann

On 9/6/2011 09:15, Bipin Gupta wrote:

A technically great HDR type shot. Truly a bit different& appreciated.
But may I add some comments? Please do take it constructively.
Flowing water should look like flowing water, the way nature meant it
to be. It should not be made to look like gas tumbling down instead of
water.
Of late I have seen too many good waterfall photos overdone to look
quite artificial.
Bipin.








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Re: Lightpainting

[Bruce Walker]

Ann, it's from this message:


Message-ID:
Subject: OT PESO - Lightpainting
From: David Savage

G'day All,

Something a bit different:

<http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6081/6095367795_cc173f8bb5_o.jpg

D700, AF-S 14-24mm @ 14mm. 100 seconds @ f8, ISO 400.

Illumination provided by my mini Maglite.

Enjoy.

DS




On 11-09-06 3:28 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I said I wasnt going to be here but
Bipin - where is the photo you are referring to?
since someone apparently thought I commented on it I better find out eh?

LUrking is hard --
I want to jump in but shouldn't - not enough time

ann

On 9/6/2011 09:15, Bipin Gupta wrote:

A technically great HDR type shot. Truly a bit different&  appreciated.
But may I add some comments? Please do take it constructively.
Flowing water should look like flowing water, the way nature meant it
to be. It should not be made to look like gas tumbling down instead of
water.
Of late I have seen too many good waterfall photos overdone to look
quite artificial.
Bipin.






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Re: Lightpainting

[Ann Sanfedele]

I said I wasnt going to be here but
Bipin - where is the photo you are referring to?
since someone apparently thought I commented on it I better find out eh?

LUrking is hard --
I want to jump in but shouldn't - not enough time

ann

On 9/6/2011 09:15, Bipin Gupta wrote:

A technically great HDR type shot. Truly a bit different&  appreciated.
But may I add some comments? Please do take it constructively.
Flowing water should look like flowing water, the way nature meant it
to be. It should not be made to look like gas tumbling down instead of
water.
Of late I have seen too many good waterfall photos overdone to look
quite artificial.
Bipin.



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Re: Lightpainting

[Jack Davis]

Guess I prefer flowing water shot at a "medium" shutter speed. :-)

Jack


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Subject: Re: Lightpainting

Bruce Walker  wrote:

>On 11-09-06 9:15 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:
>> A technically great HDR type shot. Truly a bit different&  appreciated.
>> But may I add some comments? Please do take it constructively.
>> Flowing water should look like flowing water, the way nature meant it
>> to be. It should not be made to look like gas tumbling down instead of
>> water.
>> Of late I have seen too many good waterfall photos overdone to look
>> quite artificial.
>> Bipin.
>
>With respect Bipin, if we all stuck to portraying images of the world 
>"as nature intended it to be" we'd first of all have to stop framing 
>still pictures, except perhaps of rocks. Nature does not stand still for 
>anyone.

I also used to dislike the long-shutter speed water look but I've come
to believe that it yields a picture that actually represents *more*
accurately our memory of the original scene. When you recall a
waterfall you can never place each individual droplet or rivulet of
water.

Of course, I also still enjoy fast shutter speed shots - i just
appreciate them now as being *less* like "reality" rather than more.



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Re: Lightpainting

[Mark Roberts]

John Francis  wrote:

>Well, as in all things, you can go too far either way.

Nonsense! Live for the extremes, I say!
;-)


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Re: Lightpainting

[John Francis]

On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 11:45:02AM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> >On 11-09-06 9:15 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:
> >> A technically great HDR type shot. Truly a bit different&  appreciated.
> >> But may I add some comments? Please do take it constructively.
> >> Flowing water should look like flowing water, the way nature meant it
> >> to be. It should not be made to look like gas tumbling down instead of
> >> water.
> >> Of late I have seen too many good waterfall photos overdone to look
> >> quite artificial.
> >> Bipin.
> >
> >With respect Bipin, if we all stuck to portraying images of the world 
> >"as nature intended it to be" we'd first of all have to stop framing 
> >still pictures, except perhaps of rocks. Nature does not stand still for 
> >anyone.
> 
> I also used to dislike the long-shutter speed water look but I've come
> to believe that it yields a picture that actually represents *more*
> accurately our memory of the original scene. When you recall a
> waterfall you can never place each individual droplet or rivulet of
> water.
> 
> Of course, I also still enjoy fast shutter speed shots - i just
> appreciate them now as being *less* like "reality" rather than more.

Well, as in all things, you can go too far either way.

I don't shoot waterfalls using a shutter speed of 1/8000 sec to freeze
every last droplet of water.  But neither do I use shutter speeds of
1/10 of a second (or even slower); that just shows most of the water
as a uniform blur, without any of the sparkle and reflections off the
ripples in the surface.

Exactly what shutter speed this translates to depends somewhat on the
scale of the waterfall (and, thus, the speed at which the water moves).
But when I've bracketed on shutter speed I've found that 1/30 sec is a
good starting point.

Perhaps this is because this matches the appearance of moving water
on film or television; or perhaps it's just a personal preference.


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Re: Lightpainting

[Mark Roberts]

[Default] On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 00:07:08 +0800, David Savage
 wrote:

>It's really hard to take fast shutter speed waterfall shots when there
>is next to no ambient light. Hence the lightpainting.
>
>As for the comments about the foreground brightness, that could be an
>issue. The processing was done on my laptop, so I have no idea what it
>looks like on a calibrated system.

Yeah, the "painted" parts of the image are a little brighter than I
would like, but that's nothing a little tweaking in Photoshop couldn't
fix. Really nice photo and good use of the light painting technique,
IMO.


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Re: Lightpainting

[David Savage]

It's really hard to take fast shutter speed waterfall shots when there
is next to no ambient light. Hence the lightpainting.

As for the comments about the foreground brightness, that could be an
issue. The processing was done on my laptop, so I have no idea what it
looks like on a calibrated system.

DS

On 6 September 2011 23:45, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> Bruce Walker  wrote:
>
>>On 11-09-06 9:15 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:
>>> A technically great HDR type shot. Truly a bit different&  appreciated.
>>> But may I add some comments? Please do take it constructively.
>>> Flowing water should look like flowing water, the way nature meant it
>>> to be. It should not be made to look like gas tumbling down instead of
>>> water.
>>> Of late I have seen too many good waterfall photos overdone to look
>>> quite artificial.
>>> Bipin.
>>
>>With respect Bipin, if we all stuck to portraying images of the world
>>"as nature intended it to be" we'd first of all have to stop framing
>>still pictures, except perhaps of rocks. Nature does not stand still for
>>anyone.
>
> I also used to dislike the long-shutter speed water look but I've come
> to believe that it yields a picture that actually represents *more*
> accurately our memory of the original scene. When you recall a
> waterfall you can never place each individual droplet or rivulet of
> water.
>
> Of course, I also still enjoy fast shutter speed shots - i just
> appreciate them now as being *less* like "reality" rather than more.
>
>
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Re: Lightpainting

[Mark Roberts]

Bruce Walker  wrote:

>On 11-09-06 9:15 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:
>> A technically great HDR type shot. Truly a bit different&  appreciated.
>> But may I add some comments? Please do take it constructively.
>> Flowing water should look like flowing water, the way nature meant it
>> to be. It should not be made to look like gas tumbling down instead of
>> water.
>> Of late I have seen too many good waterfall photos overdone to look
>> quite artificial.
>> Bipin.
>
>With respect Bipin, if we all stuck to portraying images of the world 
>"as nature intended it to be" we'd first of all have to stop framing 
>still pictures, except perhaps of rocks. Nature does not stand still for 
>anyone.

I also used to dislike the long-shutter speed water look but I've come
to believe that it yields a picture that actually represents *more*
accurately our memory of the original scene. When you recall a
waterfall you can never place each individual droplet or rivulet of
water.

Of course, I also still enjoy fast shutter speed shots - i just
appreciate them now as being *less* like "reality" rather than more.



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Re: Lightpainting

[Jack Davis]

I agree with Ann (I believe it was) the water would, also,  be a bit more 
attractive to me if it were shot with a somewhat faster shutter. I would like 
to see some texture and, therefore, imagine I hear its rush.
As someone also pointed out, I'd knock down the slightly distracting well lit 
shrubbery on the right.

Jack


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From: Bipin Gupta 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 6:15 AM
Subject: Lightpainting

A technically great HDR type shot. Truly a bit different & appreciated.
But may I add some comments? Please do take it constructively.
Flowing water should look like flowing water, the way nature meant it
to be. It should not be made to look like gas tumbling down instead of
water.
Of late I have seen too many good waterfall photos overdone to look
quite artificial.
Bipin.

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Re: Lightpainting

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-09-06 9:15 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:

A technically great HDR type shot. Truly a bit different&  appreciated.
But may I add some comments? Please do take it constructively.
Flowing water should look like flowing water, the way nature meant it
to be. It should not be made to look like gas tumbling down instead of
water.
Of late I have seen too many good waterfall photos overdone to look
quite artificial.
Bipin.



With respect Bipin, if we all stuck to portraying images of the world 
"as nature intended it to be" we'd first of all have to stop framing 
still pictures, except perhaps of rocks. Nature does not stand still for 
anyone.


We'd also have to stop showing videos and films, because nature doesn't 
rewind or replay for anyone.


Are you against all movement-smearing techniques? What about showing 
airplane propellers as blurred discs? Or must we always stop the props 
so the engine looks stalled?  Same with the wheels on moving cars. Is it 
ever OK to show a leaping animal with any motion blur?


And what does your own optical system (eyes, optic nerve, brain) have to 
say about this? They are putting their own interpretive spin on nature.  
Don't you ever see fast moving things as blurred yourself?


I'm afraid I take exception to "advice" that is just thinly veiled 
personal preference. For instance, I'd really like to advise all 
photographers to stop creating HDR's because I personally dislike that 
over-HDR'ed look. Maybe I could justify telling people not to do it 
because it creates images that are not as nature intended.


-bmw

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Lightpainting

[Bipin Gupta]

A technically great HDR type shot. Truly a bit different & appreciated.
But may I add some comments? Please do take it constructively.
Flowing water should look like flowing water, the way nature meant it
to be. It should not be made to look like gas tumbling down instead of
water.
Of late I have seen too many good waterfall photos overdone to look
quite artificial.
Bipin.

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Re: OT PESO - Lightpainting

[Eactivist]

Nice one, Dave. If it was me I'd tone down the  flash a bit on the right 
side. But nice to see your night photography again.  Enjoy it.

Marnie the almost akaless :-)

In a message dated  9/5/2011 1:27:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
ozsav...@gmail.com writes:
G'day  All,

Something a bit  different:

Re: OT PESO - Lightpainting

[Rick Womer]

Good to see you again, Dave!

That's a very striking image.  One might want to "burn in" the bush on the 
right and the rock in the middle a bit.

Rick

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--- On Mon, 9/5/11, David Savage  wrote:

> From: David Savage 
> Subject: OT PESO - Lightpainting
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Monday, September 5, 2011, 4:27 AM
> G'day All,
> 
> Something a bit different:
> 
> <http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6081/6095367795_cc173f8bb5_o.jpg
> 
> D700, AF-S 14-24mm @ 14mm. 100 seconds @ f8, ISO 400.
> 
> Illumination provided by my mini Maglite.
> 
> Enjoy.
> 
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Re: OT PESO - Lightpainting

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Well done and indeed.

Dan

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> G'day All,
>
> Something a bit different:
>
> 
> D700, AF-S 14-24mm @ 14mm. 100 seconds @ f8, ISO 400.
>
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> Enjoy.
>
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Re: OT PESO - Lightpainting

[Christine Aguila]

That's very nice, Dave.  Cheers, Christine


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> G'day All,
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> Something a bit different:
> 
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> Enjoy.
> 
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Re: OT PESO - Lightpainting

[David J Brooks]

Super

Dave

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:27 AM, David Savage  wrote:
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>
> Something a bit different:
>
> 
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>
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> Enjoy.
>
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Re: OT PESO - Lightpainting

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On Sep 5, 2011, at 1:27 AM, David Savage wrote:

> G'day All,
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> Something a bit different:
> 
>  
> D700, AF-S 14-24mm @ 14mm. 100 seconds @ f8, ISO 400.
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> Enjoy.
> 
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OT PESO - Lightpainting

[David Savage]

G'day All,

Something a bit different: