Re: MTF program line on K10D 16-45

2007-05-27 Thread Thibouille
Yes I sometimes notided that behaviour.
Solved the thing by keeping the use of MTF and ditching Auto-ISO.

ISO can e changed quite quickly on the K10D and if I neeed an ISO
value, I can pick SV mode.


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Re: MTF program line on K10D 16-45

2007-05-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Hmm. My standard configuration is Auto ISO constrained to within  
100-400, Program with MTF line or Av mode. When in Program, I find  
the camera does a remarkably good job most of the time, and when I  
need a different zone of focus I use the Program Shift feature, then  
return to the line with the Green button. But most of the time I want  
to be in explicit control of focus zone so I'm in Av mode.

I've not had any issues with the MTF program line... seems to do the  
right thing most of the time.

G

On May 27, 2007, at 1:48 AM, Thibouille wrote:

 Yes I sometimes notided that behaviour.
 Solved the thing by keeping the use of MTF and ditching Auto-ISO.

 ISO can e changed quite quickly on the K10D and if I neeed an ISO
 value, I can pick SV mode.


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MTF program line on K10D 16-45

2007-05-26 Thread Toine
My K10D finally arrived and i'm learning how to use this beauty. It's
heavy and (very) fast. I like it.
When I set the program line to MTF my camera always wants to use wide
open aperture on the 16-45 which isn't what MTF should do. Firmware is
1.20
Any suggestions?

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Re: MTF program line on K10D 16-45

2007-05-26 Thread Rick Womer

--- Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My K10D finally arrived and i'm learning how to use
 this beauty. It's
 heavy and (very) fast. I like it.

Cotty's 1DMkII body weighs almost as much as my whole
camera bag...

 When I set the program line to MTF my camera always
 wants to use wide
 open aperture on the 16-45 which isn't what MTF
 should do. 

Unless it is.  Other FA lenses on MTF program have
given me f/5.6 through much of the range (on my Z-1p;
haven't checked on the D or k10D), IIRC.  Maybe f/4
=is= the best aperture.

Rick

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Re: MTF program line on K10D 16-45

2007-05-26 Thread Cotty
On 26/5/07, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:

Cotty's 1DMkII body weighs almost as much as my whole
camera bag...

Rick, you're supposed to carry lenses in it, not wine ;-)

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Re: MTF program line on K10D 16-45

2007-05-26 Thread Joseph Tainter
  When I set the program line to MTF my camera always
  wants to use wide
  open aperture on the 16-45 which isn't what MTF
  should do.

Unless it is.  Other FA lenses on MTF program have
given me f/5.6 through much of the range (on my Z-1p;
haven't checked on the D or k10D), IIRC.  Maybe f/4
=is= the best aperture.

Rick

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MTF program line will give F4 from 16-28 mm., and F4.5 above that.

At least on my DA 16-45, F4-F4.5 are demonstrably not the best 
apertures. They are good and useable, but not the best.

This problem has made me wonder if Pentax didn't implement MTF properly 
in the DA 16-45's chip, or in the DSLRs.

Joe

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Re: MTF program line on K10D 16-45

2007-05-26 Thread Toine
Yes that what I have found. Checked it on the istD with the same
results. Strangely on an A lens MTF results in default f8 and P mode
in f5.6.
The 18-55 prefers 5.6 in MTF.
Strange...

On 5/26/07, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   When I set the program line to MTF my camera always
   wants to use wide
   open aperture on the 16-45 which isn't what MTF
   should do.

 Unless it is.  Other FA lenses on MTF program have
 given me f/5.6 through much of the range (on my Z-1p;
 haven't checked on the D or k10D), IIRC.  Maybe f/4
 =is= the best aperture.

 Rick

 -

 MTF program line will give F4 from 16-28 mm., and F4.5 above that.

 At least on my DA 16-45, F4-F4.5 are demonstrably not the best
 apertures. They are good and useable, but not the best.

 This problem has made me wonder if Pentax didn't implement MTF properly
 in the DA 16-45's chip, or in the DSLRs.

 Joe

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Re: MTF program line on K10D 16-45

2007-05-26 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 26/05/07, Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My K10D finally arrived and i'm learning how to use this beauty. It's
 heavy and (very) fast. I like it.
 When I set the program line to MTF my camera always wants to use wide
 open aperture on the 16-45 which isn't what MTF should do. Firmware is
 1.20
 Any suggestions?

In low light my combo selects f4 from 16mm then f5 just past 35mm then
f5.6 at 45mm, of course in bright light the response is completely
different as would be expected in an MTF biased program. with plenty
of light at 16mm the aperture tends to stay limited to wide values
and the shutter speed varies while at 45mm the aperture tends to
varies as much as the shutter speed. I'm sure it's working but find it
far too confusing to actually work with in practice.

I'm not particularly happy with the response of any of the program
curves in the K10D particularly with Auto ISO active. They tend to
disregard SR and FL settings pushing the shutter speed/ISO up
unnecessarily.

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