Another reason I was not making money
http://www.redribbonphotography.net/ Read the last paragraph in the white text. Say's it all. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That sucks...they must not value their work very much. How do they make their money? I didn't see any info on prints or prices on the web site. RED Ribbon? Clearly a second class operation. -p On 7/26/2010 8:50 AM, David J Brooks wrote: http://www.redribbonphotography.net/ Read the last paragraph in the white text. Say's it all. Dave No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3028 - Release Date: 07/25/10 13:36:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've done the same at times. I'm currently allowing free downloads or my pics for people who sell at a local farmers market. I've found it frequently translates to more print sales rather than less. Paul On Jul 26, 2010, at 9:50 AM, David J Brooks wrote: http://www.redribbonphotography.net/ Read the last paragraph in the white text. Say's it all. Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://www.redribbonphotography.net/ Read the last paragraph in the white text. Say's it all. Dave it's a low-res jpeg - people couldn't make a decent quality print from it. The guy is using it as an enticement to draw people into print sales or paid commissions. Makes good commercial sense. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: http://www.redribbonphotography.net/ Read the last paragraph in the white text. Say's it all. Dave it's a low-res jpeg - people couldn't make a decent quality print from it. They don't want decent, they wanted free, at least in my mind. I would see tons of my 640x480 thumbs enlarged to 8x10 and hung on stalls at horse shows, complete with pixilation. Did'nt matter, they liked the shot, got it for free and quality was not job one(sorry Ford) Not sure who this person is, most likely a competitor or coach on the circuit. Dave The guy is using it as an enticement to draw people into print sales or paid commissions. Makes good commercial sense. Could be, i wondered about that, but in my experience, horse folk will take free before paying. I just might send her a best of luck email.;-) Dave B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: http://www.redribbonphotography.net/ Read the last paragraph in the white text. Say's it all. it's a low-res jpeg - people couldn't make a decent quality print from it. The guy is using it as an enticement to draw people into print sales or paid commissions. Makes good commercial sense. The problem Dave had was that people *were* printing the low-res JPEGs, quality be damned. And then other people would see them and think that photographer sucks... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 26, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: http://www.redribbonphotography.net/ Read the last paragraph in the white text. Say's it all. it's a low-res jpeg - people couldn't make a decent quality print from it. The guy is using it as an enticement to draw people into print sales or paid commissions. Makes good commercial sense. The problem Dave had was that people *were* printing the low-res JPEGs, quality be damned. And then other people would see them and think that photographer sucks... People's perception of cost of things has changed. It used to be expensive, or at least difficult to make copies of photos, or music, these days it can be done effectively for free. And, it's going to get worse as kids who grew up with digital copies grow up. I hope that people still consider someone's time worth something, which would make it possible to sell photography, even if it's tough to sell photographs. The problem you run into there is even a newbie with a Canon Rebel and a kit lens can get photos that are good enough to satisfy someone who would make an 8x10 print off a 640x480 jpeg. Even worse are the talented amateurs who 20 years ago might have been able to make a living at photography, who basically do event photography for the ego gratification of people telling them how great their photos are. I suspect that red ribbon photography falls somewhere between the two. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[...] People's perception of cost of things has changed. It used to be expensive, or at least difficult to make copies of photos, or music, these days it can be done effectively for free. And, it's going to get worse as kids who grew up with digital copies grow up. I hope that people still consider someone's time worth something, which would make it possible to sell photography, even if it's tough to sell photographs. The problem you run into there is even a newbie with a Canon Rebel and a kit lens can get photos that are good enough to satisfy someone who would make an 8x10 print off a 640x480 jpeg. Even worse are the talented amateurs who 20 years ago might have been able to make a living at photography, who basically do event photography for the ego gratification of people telling them how great their photos are. this is essentially the same argument that press photographers used to make about people like Capa, Kertesz and Cartier-Bresson using 35mm cameras. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: David J Brooks http://www.redribbonphotography.net/ Read the last paragraph in the white text. Say's it all. Children Hunters? Man, they got a season for EVERYTHING! What's the bag limit? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: Bob W Subject: RE: Another reason I was not making money http://www.redribbonphotography.net/ Read the last paragraph in the white text. Say's it all. Dave it's a low-res jpeg - people couldn't make a decent quality print from it. The guy is using it as an enticement to draw people into print sales or paid commissions. Makes good commercial sense. I could make a decent quality print, certainly good enough for the average schmoe off of what they are posting. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: John Sessoms Subject: RE: Another reason I was not making money Children Hunters? Man, they got a season for EVERYTHING! What's the bag limit? Probably not high enough on too short of a season. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/26/2010 4:50 PM, David J Brooks wrote: http://www.redribbonphotography.net/ Read the last paragraph in the white text. Say's it all. Dave That sucks, Dave :-(... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As many as you can afford to put through college. --Original Message-- From: John Sessoms Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net ReplyTo: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Another reason I was not making money Sent: Jul 26, 2010 9:04 PM From: David J Brooks http://www.redribbonphotography.net/ Read the last paragraph in the white text. Say's it all. Children Hunters? Man, they got a season for EVERYTHING! What's the bag limit? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Making money
On 24 Dec 2002 at 17:28, Cesar Matamoros II wrote: [...] I think I lack the business sense and tenacity to make a go at it professionally. That's me in a nutshell too. And also, I hate the thought of having to produce photos just to pay the bills. I fear that the obligations of business would take away some of the pleasure in it. Jostein
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Yes I do, as a commercial photographer, but my main source of income is graphic designing. I charge them for film, DP, expenses plus 35%. Its not much money but it lets me shoot personal shots for free, dosn't even begin to cover gear costs! Feroze - Original Message - From: Frankie Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:02 PM Subject: Making money Just for curiosity, any one of you is making money from your Pentax gear (full-time or freelance)? _ Weight Loss products, Herbal Viagra, and much more!http://www.VitaDepot.com _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag
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In the sense of having a net plus after expences; no I don't make money on my photography. But you know, any sale can help subsidise the hobby...:-) Jostein - Original Message - From: Frankie Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:02 PM Subject: Making money Just for curiosity, any one of you is making money from your Pentax gear (full-time or freelance)? _ Weight Loss products, Herbal Viagra, and much more!http://www.VitaDepot.com _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag
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From my accounting the last couple of years I usually average being in the red only a couple to four hundred dollars. Not bad for a year worth of shooting whatever I want. The money does help subsidize. I think I lack the business sense and tenacity to make a go at it professionally. César Panama City, Florida -- -Original Message- -- From: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 5:09 PM -- -- In the sense of having a net plus after expences; no I don't make -- money on my photography. But you know, any sale can help -- subsidise the -- hobby...:-) -- -- Jostein -- -- - Original Message - -- From: Frankie Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:02 PM -- Subject: Making money -- -- -- Just for curiosity, any one of you is making money from your Pentax -- gear (full-time or freelance)? -- --
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I do, I photograph mainly for newspapers (who do not have an immediate need, features stories etc.) using an MZ-S now, previously a Z-1... --- Frankie Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for curiosity, any one of you is making money from your Pentax gear (full-time or freelance)? _ Weight Loss products, Herbal Viagra, and much more!http://www.VitaDepot.com _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
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-Original Message- From: Frankie Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Just for curiosity, any one of you is making money from your Pentax gear (full-time or freelance)? Full-time. tv
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I mean if you are using Pentax gear in your full-time or freelance job, would you tell more about your work with Pentax equipment? Any comment on your gear? Any improvement needed? Any product you want pentax to offer for your job? etc. * Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Just for curiosity, any one of you is making money from your Pentax gear (full-time or freelance)? how much money? Herb... _ Weight Loss products, Herbal Viagra, and much more!http://www.VitaDepot.com _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag
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Since I am retired, my photography is about as full-time as I want it to be. -- Ken Archer Canine Photography San Antonio, Texas Business Is Going To The Dogs
