Re: Manual back-up bodies
- Original Message - From: Francis Tang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Manual back-up bodies | | Sorry for the delay - I've been away for a while. No problem:) | | Another battery-related experience was the time I was playing with the | camera in auto mode. If you trip the shutter with the lens cap on, it | can stay open for (what seems) an eternity. Soon after I did this a | few times, the battery warning came on. | | In case you do this by accident, I find that if you turn the control | dial to 125X, then it closes the shutter. I'm not sure if this is | really recommended. | Ah, I did the same thing last time. The shutter was open for a few seconds, until the seller turned the camera off, thus closing it. But, since buying the second body was pretty urgent, I had no choice on the last Sunday but to buy the Super A. All MES's on the Sunday market were worn out a lot and that Super A was in a decent condition so I bought it. I'm testing it now - it's loaded with the new Konica slide - Centuria Chrome. I don't expect this film to be of very high quality, but it's price is very low... Thanx for your response and for any others responses to my problem. Greetz Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Manual back-up bodies
Dear Artur, On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 10:28:35PM +0200, Artur Ledóchowski wrote: Hi, I'm in desperate need for buying a second body. I have to do it within next twoo weeks, after which I'm going out for my vacation to Slovakia. Since I want to buy the MZ-S in the near future and I have the MZ-7, I'm heading for an older, manual body. I selected two: Super A/Super Program, and ME Super. Last Sunday I went to an used equipment market and saw both the Super Program and the ME Super - and both were unfortunately in poor condition. but the same day I saw some Ricoh and Chinon cameras. I had no experience with any of them, so I have a question: are there any Ricoh or Chinon bodies of the class similar to the ME Super or Super Program? Any of them worth buying? I'd like to have max shutter speed about 1/2000 and max sync speed no less than 1/100. Also DOF preview, exposure compensation and exposure lock wouldn't hurt either... And if the slowest shutter was more than 10 sec, this would be great... Can I put my money in Ricoh/Chinon body or should I definitely look for Pentax? When I read the title, I assumed you wanted a MANUAL camera, but I guess you already know that the MESuper and SuperA don't aren't such. The MES is better in that respect because without batteries you still get 125X, bulb and the top shutter speed (so I've been told.) However, given your requirements for max shutter speed, I guess the LX is the only Pentax with good manual capability (but it fails on the X-sync requirement.) So it looks like you'd have to get a Nikon FM2/3. But if batteries aren't your concern, I can recommend the MESuper. I use two (and an MX) and I often pick the MES over the MX. My only gripe is that it's a tad fiddly to use in M when on a tripod. The SuperA with the LCD on top maybe better in this respect, but I haven't used one before. When using a tripod, my MX is preferred to an MES. Another point in favour of the MES, is that I think it's underrated (or perhaps the MX is overrated, nevermind the K1000.) Not that I think the MX isn't a good camera, (respectively the K1000), I'm just not sure if it's that much better, as to command the extra money over an MES. On the subject of underrated cameras, I've heard that the ME is one such. I've yet to see one in the shops, and anyway, I'd have to ditch one of my MESupers before I can justify it. -- Francis Tang, Postgraduate Research Student. LFCS, Div. of Informatics, Uni. of Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK. Tel: +44 131 6505185. Fax: +44 131 6677209. Office: 1603, JCMB, KB. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/fhlt/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Manual back-up bodies
- Original Message - From: Francis Tang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Manual back-up bodies | | | When I read the title, I assumed you wanted a MANUAL camera, but I | guess you already know that the MESuper and SuperA don't aren't such. OK, perhaps I should have said manual focusing:) | However, given your requirements for max shutter speed, I guess the LX | is the only Pentax with good manual capability (but it fails on the Definitely. I know that. But it's hardly possible to get the LX in Poland. I've never seen the one, either in shops/commisions or on the used equipment market... | X-sync requirement.) So it looks like you'd have to get a Nikon | FM2/3. They both are great cameras, but I definitely want to stay with the K-mount. | But if batteries aren't your concern, I can recommend the MESuper. If I find the one in decent condition on Sunday (the day, when the market is open), I'll surely get it. Last Sunday, when I had a grip on both MES and Super Program, I noticed that the MES suited my hands far better. But you've written about batteries. Anything wrong with the MES battery consumption? Greetz Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Manual back-up bodies
Chris wrote: I think that other than in auto-focus it is a lower specification tool than the PZ-1. It lacks the Hyper shift capability that is really useful. This isn't entirely correct. The MZ-S offer hyper modes; it does have aperture priority mode and manual simultaneously available something the Z-1p don't. The design philosophies behind the two cameras are very different; the Z-1p philosophy is automation with the possibility of overiding. I've always found the concept weird; why use auto if you plan to override it anyway? Pel - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Manual back-up bodies
Hi, I'm in desperate need for buying a second body. I have to do it within next twoo weeks, after which I'm going out for my vacation to Slovakia. Since I want to buy the MZ-S in the near future and I have the MZ-7, I'm heading for an older, manual body. I selected two: Super A/Super Program, and ME Super. Last Sunday I went to an used equipment market and saw both the Super Program and the ME Super - and both were unfortunately in poor condition. but the same day I saw some Ricoh and Chinon cameras. I had no experience with any of them, so I have a question: are there any Ricoh or Chinon bodies of the class similar to the ME Super or Super Program? Any of them worth buying? I'd like to have max shutter speed about 1/2000 and max sync speed no less than 1/100. Also DOF preview, exposure compensation and exposure lock wouldn't hurt either... And if the slowest shutter was more than 10 sec, this would be great... Can I put my money in Ricoh/Chinon body or should I definitely look for Pentax? TIA Greetz Artur === There are signs on the ring, Which make me feel so down. There's one to enslave all rings, To find them all in time And drive them into darkness. Forever they'll be bound. Blind Guardian Lord of the Ring - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Manual back-up bodies
Why not consider a new or used PZ1 rather than the MZS ? I think that Pentax have made a mistake with the MZS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Artur Ledschowski Sent: 03 September 2001 21:29 To: Pentax - Lista Dyskusyjna Subject: Manual back-up bodies Hi, I'm in desperate need for buying a second body. I have to do it within next twoo weeks, after which I'm going out for my vacation to Slovakia. Since I want to buy the MZ-S in the near future and I have the MZ-7, I'm heading for an older, manual body. I selected two: Super A/Super Program, and ME Super. Last Sunday I went to an used equipment market and saw both the Super Program and the ME Super - and both were unfortunately in poor condition. but the same day I saw some Ricoh and Chinon cameras. I had no experience with any of them, so I have a question: are there any Ricoh or Chinon bodies of the class similar to the ME Super or Super Program? Any of them worth buying? I'd like to have max shutter speed about 1/2000 and max sync speed no less than 1/100. Also DOF preview, exposure compensation and exposure lock wouldn't hurt either... And if the slowest shutter was more than 10 sec, this would be great... Can I put my money in Ricoh/Chinon body or should I definitely look for Pentax? TIA Greetz Artur === There are signs on the ring, Which make me feel so down. There's one to enslave all rings, To find them all in time And drive them into darkness. Forever they'll be bound. Blind Guardian Lord of the Ring - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Manual back-up bodies
- Original Message - From: Chris Proudfoot I think that Pentax have made a mistake with the MZS Why? William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Manual back-up bodies
Hi Chris, I hope I'm not going to start another long thread... There is a huge difference between the two cameras, enough difference to justify a choice. I know that if the final purpose is to take a shot you could either use a K-1000 or an MZ-S or a PZ-1 with the same lens on and that's all. You'll be able to have the shot anyway. But this can be true for a certain % of pictures. Not all the possible pictures. I should tell you a story. When the Z-1 (PZ-1) was released the press in Italy found it quite amazing, because it was too perfect to be true but... unuseful! The commentators stated that cameras like that could be easily used like PS, but most of the features would have been a pain to learn and use properly. Comments kind of you must always carry the instructions around were frequent. The Z-1p (PZ-1p) was a great step ahead in this regard, more user-friendly, but the average camera user (and the magazines, too) were still sceptical about the camera. The things went quite differently when the MZ cameras hit the market. Even with the evident lack of features of the MZ-5 (like memory lock) the difference with the previous series was so big that every word about the new camera was a praise. The MZ-S is something like a mix between the two different philosophies, and more than that. The first test appeared on a Italian magazine about the new camera is very favourable. One of the things that impressed the tester was the lack of vibrations: like a rangefinder camera he wrote. He even wrote that the MLU of the camera is redundant. I would have liked to read something like that about the Z-1p (which I own)... There is no mistake. Only a different way of conceiving a camera. And a different way to market it. So, back to the choice: when I must do a purchase I try to read and ask everything possible about what is available in the market, and check more than twice my needs. And my wallet, too... :) But my needs come first. To Artur: I used for a while a Chinon camera (CP-7 (m?), I think); it is a kind of an upgraded ME super, but it cannot work without batteries (the Super Program/Super A can't, too). It worked fine, and had some features not available with the Super A nor with the ME super (ie multiple exposure, DOF preview) . Some Ricoh cameras are worth a look, too. There is more than a Ricoh model comparable to the ME super, but I cannot recall the names... I can check, anyway. Gianfranco - Original Message - From: Chris Proudfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 1:00 AM Subject: RE: Manual back-up bodies Why not consider a new or used PZ1 rather than the MZS ? I think that Pentax have made a mistake with the MZS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Artur Ledschowski Sent: 03 September 2001 21:29 To: Pentax - Lista Dyskusyjna Subject: Manual back-up bodies Hi, I'm in desperate need for buying a second body. I have to do it within next twoo weeks, after which I'm going out for my vacation to Slovakia. Since I want to buy the MZ-S in the near future and I have the MZ-7, I'm heading for an older, manual body. I selected two: Super A/Super Program, and ME Super. Last Sunday I went to an used equipment market and saw both the Super Program and the ME Super - and both were unfortunately in poor condition. but the same day I saw some Ricoh and Chinon cameras. I had no experience with any of them, so I have a question: are there any Ricoh or Chinon bodies of the class similar to the ME Super or Super Program? Any of them worth buying? I'd like to have max shutter speed about 1/2000 and max sync speed no less than 1/100. Also DOF preview, exposure compensation and exposure lock wouldn't hurt either... And if the slowest shutter was more than 10 sec, this would be great... Can I put my money in Ricoh/Chinon body or should I definitely look for Pentax? TIA Greetz Artur Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
