Re: Med format exhibit in Texas - but it ain't realityanymore than digital.

2002-10-23 Thread Steve Desjardins
But they are not both resultant from light falling on
real objects.  Film is a real object.  When a
computer translates something into data it is no
longer a real object but anonymous data.


It is always a real object in either case.  In both cases, photons have
fallen on a physical object and the way this object responds is what
records the image.  The only difference with the CCD sensor is that the
process can be reversed easily so that the sensor can be used again.  I
reject the idea, however, that either of these processes ever deals with
disembodied data.  The data is always encoded on some physical object,
be it a silver compound, a silicon chip, ink on paper, or a retina.  In
the digital case, it is simply more obvious that some of these encoding
stages are in a form not directly visible to the human eye, like
unprocessed film.  In both cases, you must follow a precise set of steps
to correctly develop the initial recording into a visible image.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
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Re: Med format exhibit in Texas - but it ain't realityanymore than digital.

2002-10-23 Thread Steve Desjardins
Of course the photons come up :  you brought up the real side of this.
 If you want to talk about real objects, then you must consider what
the physical manifestations of the image actually is.  If you could
create an atom by atom copy of a painting by Picasso, then I would argue
that the two really are identical because if you turned your back I
could do the shell game and you couldn't tell them aprat.  A photocopy
is different because it isn't a perfect copy. The problem with digital
is that it actually allows you to make an essentially identical copy of
the original, and this is the first time we've really had to deal with
that in the visual arts.  In literature, on the other hand, Hamlet has
always been copyable.

By the way, I'm enjoying this exchnage.  Don't let a forceful argument
be mistaken for anger ;-)  There's been too much of that lately on the
list.


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/02 01:29PM 
I was just waiting for the Photon argument to crop up
again...  A very literal and limited interpretation.

Yes, it's all photons.  That's why a Picasso is no
different than a photocopy - both photon stuff.
 
--- Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But they are not both resultant from light falling
 on
 real objects.  Film is a real object.  When a
 computer translates something into data it is no
 longer a real object but anonymous data.
 
 
 It is always a real object in either case.  In both
 cases, photons have
 fallen on a physical object and the way this object
 responds is what
 records the image.  The only difference with the CCD
 sensor is that the
 process can be reversed easily so that the sensor
 can be used again.  I
 reject the idea, however, that either of these
 processes ever deals with
 disembodied data.  The data is always encoded on
 some physical object,
 be it a silver compound, a silicon chip, ink on
 paper, or a retina.  In
 the digital case, it is simply more obvious that
 some of these encoding
 stages are in a form not directly visible to the
 human eye, like
 unprocessed film.  In both cases, you must follow a
 precise set of steps
 to correctly develop the initial recording into a
 visible image.
 
 
 Steven Desjardins
 Department of Chemistry
 Washington and Lee University
 Lexington, VA 24450
 (540) 458-8873
 FAX: (540) 458-8878
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 


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Re: Med format exhibit in Texas - but it ain't realityanymore than digital.

2002-10-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Very good point!

Steve Desjardins wrote:

 By the way, I'm enjoying this exchnage.  Don't let a forceful argument
 be mistaken for anger ;-)  There's been too much of that lately on the
 list.