Re: OT: Leica kicking everyone's rear?
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Looks gorgeous. I can't imagine the price. :-( G Well, whatever you come up with, just add 3 decimal places on the right. > On Sep 22, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Timber wrote: >>> http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/leica-debuts-s-system-37-megapixel-flagship-s2-camera/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Leica kicking everyone's rear?
Mark Roberts wrote: > P. J. Alling wrote: > >> Well let's see. The M8 costs about $5.5K for a camera with roughly the >> same image capture specifications of an *ist-D, and the same resolution >> and sensor size of a Canon 1D Mark III. which you can get for around >> $3K. Based on this I'd put the Leica S2's street price at something >> like 2-3x the competitions street price, plus the the price of all new >> lenses, I don't think Hassy has a lot to worry about... >> > > British Journal of Photography says it will sell for about 20,000.00 > > That's pounds, not dollars. Ugh. They actually advertise new Hasselblad kits for just over half of that price around here. I can to a certain extent identify with the people who will pay several times the price of your average SLR for the "craftmanship" of a Leica M, but an MF camera at twice the price of a Hassleblad makes a lot less sense. -- - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Leica kicking everyone's rear?
Mark Roberts wrote: > P. J. Alling wrote: > >> Well let's see. The M8 costs about $5.5K for a camera with roughly the >> same image capture specifications of an *ist-D, and the same resolution >> and sensor size of a Canon 1D Mark III. which you can get for around >> $3K. Based on this I'd put the Leica S2's street price at something >> like 2-3x the competitions street price, plus the the price of all new >> lenses, I don't think Hassy has a lot to worry about... >> > > British Journal of Photography says it will sell for about 20,000.00 > > That's pounds, not dollars. > > Mike Johnston has the best word on it: "this is going to separate the > eye surgeons from the dentists, baby" > > > http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/leica-debuts-s-system-37-megapixel-flagship-s2-camera/ I wonder why the Google ads that come up under this article change each time, except for the first one I "Hate" my Yellow Teeth The Secrets Dentists don’t want you to know about Teeth Whitening! www.best-teeth-whitening.com BTW, my Dad's a dentist, and he don't have no leicas D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Leica kicking everyone's rear?
> > Timber wrote: > > > http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/leica-debuts-s-system-37-me > gapixel-flagship-s2-camera/ > > > > Ouch. > > > > Cheers, > > .t > > > > > > I think it takes balls the size of coconuts to be about to > put out a new > system, with what's been happening internally for them. Good on 'em. > > http://wsj.com/article/SB122152103387739231.html > It's very encouraging that the article finishes '"But Mr. Kaufmann is optimistic that Leica will grow again. "I'm a long, long-term investor," he says.' Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P. J. Alling wrote: > Well let's see. The M8 costs about $5.5K for a camera with roughly the > same image capture specifications of an *ist-D, and the same resolution > and sensor size of a Canon 1D Mark III. which you can get for around > $3K. Based on this I'd put the Leica S2's street price at something > like 2-3x the competitions street price, plus the the price of all new > lenses, I don't think Hassy has a lot to worry about... British Journal of Photography says it will sell for about 20,000.00 That's pounds, not dollars. Mike Johnston has the best word on it: "this is going to separate the eye surgeons from the dentists, baby" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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How much of that is vaporware? Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Timber wrote: >> http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/leica-debuts-s-system-37-megapixel-flagship-s2-camera/ >> >> Ouch. >> >> Cheers, >> .t >> >> > > I think it takes balls the size of coconuts to be about to put out a new > system, with what's been happening internally for them. Good on 'em. > > http://wsj.com/article/SB122152103387739231.html > > D > > -- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Leica kicking everyone's rear?
Timber wrote: > http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/leica-debuts-s-system-37-megapixel-flagship-s2-camera/ > > Ouch. > > Cheers, > .t > > I think it takes balls the size of coconuts to be about to put out a new system, with what's been happening internally for them. Good on 'em. http://wsj.com/article/SB122152103387739231.html D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Leica kicking everyone's rear?
On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > I've been very impressed with Mamiya's lenses, I currently use their > older M645 kit. The Mamiya 7 series RF lenses are as good as anything > Leica's ever produced (and arguably better than Zeiss's MF glass, > certainly sharper) and their 645AF lenses are excellent, as good or > better than anything Hasselblad sells for their H-series. I think we'll just have to disagree on this a little. The Mamiya 6 and 7 lenses were indeed superb, but I never liked their 645 lenses as much as my Zeiss/Hassy lenses. I had both. Don't know the Fuji/Hassy lenses enough to talk about them. I prefer Leica's image rendering over the Mamiya 6/7 lenses, despite the superb par that both represent ... although the differences are subtle, the Leicas M and R lenses always produced results that appealed to me more. I just couldn't afford a Leica R system of lenses, or I'd still be there waiting for the Leica R digital which is going to happen within the next year... ! Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've been very impressed with Mamiya's lenses, I currently use their older M645 kit. The Mamiya 7 series RF lenses are as good as anything Leica's ever produced (and arguably better than Zeiss's MF glass, certainly sharper) and their 645AF lenses are excellent, as good or better than anything Hasselblad sells for their H-series. The ZD is NOT the PhaseOne 645 system, that's just a rebadged PhaseOne version of the 645AFDIII body from Mamiya. The ZD is either Mamiya's integrated 645AF mount DSLR from 2006 or their current MF DB for the 645AFD compatible cameras that's derived from that camera. -Adam On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personally, I'd rather have three Leica lenses than ten Mamiya lenses. > > Of course, three Leica lenses will cost more than ten Mamiya lenses, > but who's counting pennies? > > BTW, the Mamiya ZD is now the PhaseONE 645 system. > > G > > On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > >> Or buy the very similar in concept Mamiya ZD (if you can find one, >> nobody bought them) today for less than $10k and a much better lens >> lineup. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Leica kicking everyone's rear?
Personally, I'd rather have three Leica lenses than ten Mamiya lenses. Of course, three Leica lenses will cost more than ten Mamiya lenses, but who's counting pennies? BTW, the Mamiya ZD is now the PhaseONE 645 system. G On Sep 22, 2008, at 11:42 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > Or buy the very similar in concept Mamiya ZD (if you can find one, > nobody bought them) today for less than $10k and a much better lens > lineup. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Leica kicking everyone's rear?
Or buy the very similar in concept Mamiya ZD (if you can find one, nobody bought them) today for less than $10k and a much better lens lineup. -Adam On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Timber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/leica-debuts-s-system-37-megapixel-flagship-s2-camera/ > > Ouch. > > Cheers, > .t > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: > yes, but can it shoot video? Of course. With Dolby 5.1 surround sound, too. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: Leica kicking everyone's rear?
yes, but can it shoot video? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of P. J. Alling > Sent: 22 September 2008 18:25 > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: OT: Leica kicking everyone's rear? > > Well let's see. The M8 costs about $5.5K for a camera with > roughly the > same image capture specifications of an *ist-D, and the same > resolution > and sensor size of a Canon 1D Mark III. which you can get for around > $3K. Based on this I'd put the Leica S2's street price at something > like 2-3x the competitions street price, plus the the price > of all new > lenses, I don't think Hassy has a lot to worry about... > > Timber wrote: > > > http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/leica-debuts-s-system-37-me > gapixel-flagship-s2-camera/ > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (You probably can't afford it even if you *can* imagine it!) It's OK, they'll sell 'em to all those wealthy Investment Bankers. Oh, wait... -T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > On Sep 22, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Timber wrote: > >> http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/leica-debuts-s-system-37-megapixel-flagship-s2-camera/ > > Looks gorgeous. > I can't imagine the price. :-( If you can't imagine it, you can't afford it. (You probably can't afford it even if you *can* imagine it!) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Leica kicking everyone's rear?
Well, at least now we know where all that money for those outrageously expensive lenses and bodies go ;-). Timber wrote: > http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/leica-debuts-s-system-37-megapixel-flagship-s2-camera/ > > Ouch. > > Cheers, > .t > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Looks gorgeous. I can't imagine the price. :-( G On Sep 22, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Timber wrote: > http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/leica-debuts-s-system-37-megapixel-flagship-s2-camera/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Leica kicking everyone's rear?
Well let's see. The M8 costs about $5.5K for a camera with roughly the same image capture specifications of an *ist-D, and the same resolution and sensor size of a Canon 1D Mark III. which you can get for around $3K. Based on this I'd put the Leica S2's street price at something like 2-3x the competitions street price, plus the the price of all new lenses, I don't think Hassy has a lot to worry about... Timber wrote: > http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/leica-debuts-s-system-37-megapixel-flagship-s2-camera/ > > Ouch. > > Cheers, > .t > > -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Leica kicking everyone's rear?
http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/leica-debuts-s-system-37-megapixel-flagship-s2-camera/ Ouch. Cheers, .t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
