Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-07 Thread Bill

On 1/7/2016 1:31 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Bill wrote:

On 1/3/2016 9:31 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.

FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp. Mike Johnston doesn't see
any point to it. The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.
That is all.



I played with the 90mm somewhat before it was actually released to the
public. It's an excellent lens, and if you like the FOV it's a very good
lens.
I don't, I've always found the 135mm (equivalent in this case) to be too
short to be a telephoto and too long to be much good for anything else.


I don't see how people can say "this FOV is not much use".  There are so
many things that go into choosing the focal length: distance from
subject, size of subject, how much of the background you want to include
or exclude, how far away you can get, how close you can get, and even
desired depth of field.

I could see saying that you only use certain focal lengths for a
particular type of photo in a particular setting.  If you only shoot
portraits in one studio, then I could see having one lens for face
shots, one for standing portraits, one for group portraits.

I could see someone saying that they never need a fisheye, or a
telephoto over 1,300mm, but to pick one focal length or field of view
that is well in the range of the widest and longest in your toolkit and
say "this FOV isn't much use", rather than "I already have this FOV and
that one isn't enough different to be worth the money" doesn't make much
sense to me.








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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-07 Thread Larry Colen



Bill wrote:

On 1/3/2016 9:31 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.

FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp. Mike Johnston doesn't see
any point to it. The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.
That is all.



I played with the 90mm somewhat before it was actually released to the
public. It's an excellent lens, and if you like the FOV it's a very good
lens.
I don't, I've always found the 135mm (equivalent in this case) to be too
short to be a telephoto and too long to be much good for anything else.


I don't see how people can say "this FOV is not much use".  There are so 
many things that go into choosing the focal length: distance from 
subject, size of subject, how much of the background you want to include 
or exclude, how far away you can get, how close you can get, and even 
desired depth of field.


I could see saying that you only use certain focal lengths for a 
particular type of photo in a particular setting.  If you only shoot 
portraits in one studio, then I could see having one lens for face 
shots, one for standing portraits, one for group portraits.


I could see someone saying that they never need a fisheye, or a 
telephoto over 1,300mm, but to pick one focal length or field of view 
that is well in the range of the widest and longest in your toolkit and 
say "this FOV isn't much use", rather than "I already have this FOV and 
that one isn't enough different to be worth the money" doesn't make much 
sense to me.







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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-06 Thread P.J. Alling

On 1/6/2016 9:34 PM, Bill wrote:

On 1/6/2016 1:02 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

But that's the thing, I have collected 85, 100 135 and 150mm lenses and
used them all.  When you jump from 85 to 150 in the same session you
might notice but changing from 85 to 100 or 135 to 150, really doesn't
make that much difference.  The last of those lenses I got was the 135,
and really I used it more than the 150 because it was more convenient.
It wasn't that I liked it more or liked it less.


I have the M 150mm. It's a lovely little lens. Do you have the K 
version or the M?





I have the Super Takumar 150mm f4.0. I think it was one of the designs 
that carried over from M42 to K mount. Checked the optical formulas just 
now and they look the same for the Super Tak, and the SMCP,  I used it 
for everything from sports to portraits.  When I got rid of my original 
Spotmatic II I kept it to use on my first MX.


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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-06 Thread Bill

On 1/6/2016 1:02 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

But that's the thing, I have collected 85, 100 135 and 150mm lenses and
used them all.  When you jump from 85 to 150 in the same session you
might notice but changing from 85 to 100 or 135 to 150, really doesn't
make that much difference.  The last of those lenses I got was the 135,
and really I used it more than the 150 because it was more convenient.
It wasn't that I liked it more or liked it less.


I have the M 150mm. It's a lovely little lens. Do you have the K version 
or the M?



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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-06 Thread Bill

On 1/6/2016 9:08 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

when i moved up from the box camera to the SP500 i had a 55 and a 105
prime Loved the 105 but never bought the 135.


The same. One of my favorite lenses on the present Pentax format is the 
70mm.



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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-06 Thread Brian Walters
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016, at 01:49 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
> As I said he's knowledgeable. Sometimes he has good information.  
> Sometimes he passes his opinion as fact.
> 
> The dismissal of the 135 aov just annoyed me, and his I dismissed his 
> dismissive review.
> 
> I have plenty of opinions of my own, I just don't expect people to pay 
> to hear them.


And good opinions they are I'm sure :-)>

In defence of MJ (not that he necessarily needs defending) he doesn't
actually expect payment.  He'd just like his readers to click through
links on his site when they want to buy from Amazon etc so that he gets
a small contribution from those sellers.

He does have a donation button but doesn't resort to the begging bowl
(unlike Rockhead) or expect to be slung 5 bucks if you want to print out
one of his posts (again, unlike Rockhead).


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> 
> On 1/6/2016 8:21 AM, David Parsons wrote:
> > This sounds like the people who don't like Howard Stern but tend to
> > listen to him more than his fans.  The reason given?  To hear what
> > he'll say next..
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G6xu-J_Dmc
> >
> > If you don't like him, why are you reading his site?
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:24 AM, P.J. Alling  
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Secondly, well, Mike Johnson.  He's just annoying.  He's a decent writer, 
> >> is
> >> generally knowledgeable, and when he actually posts a photo he's made, it
> >> doesn't hurt the eyes, (unlike Kennyboy), but his opinions are his own, and
> >> he often mistakes them for fact, and like Kennyboy he expects to be paid 
> >> for
> >> said opinions.
> >> On 1/5/2016 8:56 AM, David Parsons wrote:
> >>> No, he's saying that it's a focal length that not many people actually
> >>> use despite being a fairly easy focal length to make really well.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 10:31 AM, P.J. Alling 
> >>> wrote:
>  I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.
> 
>  FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp.  Mike Johnston doesn't see any
>  point to it.  The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.  That is
>  all.
> 
> 

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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-06 Thread P.J. Alling
But that's the thing, I have collected 85, 100 135 and 150mm lenses and 
used them all.  When you jump from 85 to 150 in the same session you 
might notice but changing from 85 to 100 or 135 to 150, really doesn't 
make that much difference.  The last of those lenses I got was the 135, 
and really I used it more than the 150 because it was more convenient.  
It wasn't that I liked it more or liked it less.


On 1/6/2016 10:08 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

when i moved up from the box camera to the SP500 i had a 55 and a 105
prime Loved the 105 but never bought the 135.

Dave

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:49 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:

As I said he's knowledgeable. Sometimes he has good information.  Sometimes
he passes his opinion as fact.

The dismissal of the 135 aov just annoyed me, and his I dismissed his
dismissive review.

I have plenty of opinions of my own, I just don't expect people to pay to
hear them.


On 1/6/2016 8:21 AM, David Parsons wrote:

This sounds like the people who don't like Howard Stern but tend to
listen to him more than his fans.  The reason given?  To hear what
he'll say next..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G6xu-J_Dmc

If you don't like him, why are you reading his site?

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:24 AM, P.J. Alling 
wrote:


Secondly, well, Mike Johnson.  He's just annoying.  He's a decent writer,
is
generally knowledgeable, and when he actually posts a photo he's made, it
doesn't hurt the eyes, (unlike Kennyboy), but his opinions are his own,
and
he often mistakes them for fact, and like Kennyboy he expects to be paid
for
said opinions.
On 1/5/2016 8:56 AM, David Parsons wrote:

No, he's saying that it's a focal length that not many people actually
use despite being a fairly easy focal length to make really well.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 10:31 AM, P.J. Alling

wrote:

I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.

FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp.  Mike Johnston doesn't see
any
point to it.  The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.  That
is
all.


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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-06 Thread steve harley

On 2016-01-06 7:49 , P.J. Alling wrote:

I have plenty of opinions of my own, I just don't expect people to pay to
hear them.


you can pay if you *really really* want to support the site (and get no 
ads), but the content is not infused with any expectation of payment; i read 
it in my RSS reader most of the time, and don't see ads there anyway




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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-06 Thread David J Brooks
when i moved up from the box camera to the SP500 i had a 55 and a 105
prime Loved the 105 but never bought the 135.

Dave

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:49 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> As I said he's knowledgeable. Sometimes he has good information.  Sometimes
> he passes his opinion as fact.
>
> The dismissal of the 135 aov just annoyed me, and his I dismissed his
> dismissive review.
>
> I have plenty of opinions of my own, I just don't expect people to pay to
> hear them.
>
>
> On 1/6/2016 8:21 AM, David Parsons wrote:
>>
>> This sounds like the people who don't like Howard Stern but tend to
>> listen to him more than his fans.  The reason given?  To hear what
>> he'll say next..
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G6xu-J_Dmc
>>
>> If you don't like him, why are you reading his site?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:24 AM, P.J. Alling 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Secondly, well, Mike Johnson.  He's just annoying.  He's a decent writer,
>>> is
>>> generally knowledgeable, and when he actually posts a photo he's made, it
>>> doesn't hurt the eyes, (unlike Kennyboy), but his opinions are his own,
>>> and
>>> he often mistakes them for fact, and like Kennyboy he expects to be paid
>>> for
>>> said opinions.
>>> On 1/5/2016 8:56 AM, David Parsons wrote:

 No, he's saying that it's a focal length that not many people actually
 use despite being a fairly easy focal length to make really well.

 On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 10:31 AM, P.J. Alling
 
 wrote:
>
> I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.
>
> FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp.  Mike Johnston doesn't see
> any
> point to it.  The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.  That
> is
> all.
>
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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-06 Thread P.J. Alling
As I said he's knowledgeable. Sometimes he has good information.  
Sometimes he passes his opinion as fact.


The dismissal of the 135 aov just annoyed me, and his I dismissed his 
dismissive review.


I have plenty of opinions of my own, I just don't expect people to pay 
to hear them.


On 1/6/2016 8:21 AM, David Parsons wrote:

This sounds like the people who don't like Howard Stern but tend to
listen to him more than his fans.  The reason given?  To hear what
he'll say next..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G6xu-J_Dmc

If you don't like him, why are you reading his site?

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:24 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:


Secondly, well, Mike Johnson.  He's just annoying.  He's a decent writer, is
generally knowledgeable, and when he actually posts a photo he's made, it
doesn't hurt the eyes, (unlike Kennyboy), but his opinions are his own, and
he often mistakes them for fact, and like Kennyboy he expects to be paid for
said opinions.
On 1/5/2016 8:56 AM, David Parsons wrote:

No, he's saying that it's a focal length that not many people actually
use despite being a fairly easy focal length to make really well.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 10:31 AM, P.J. Alling 
wrote:

I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.

FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp.  Mike Johnston doesn't see any
point to it.  The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.  That is
all.


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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-06 Thread David Parsons
This sounds like the people who don't like Howard Stern but tend to
listen to him more than his fans.  The reason given?  To hear what
he'll say next..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G6xu-J_Dmc

If you don't like him, why are you reading his site?

On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:24 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:

> Secondly, well, Mike Johnson.  He's just annoying.  He's a decent writer, is
> generally knowledgeable, and when he actually posts a photo he's made, it
> doesn't hurt the eyes, (unlike Kennyboy), but his opinions are his own, and
> he often mistakes them for fact, and like Kennyboy he expects to be paid for
> said opinions.

>
> On 1/5/2016 8:56 AM, David Parsons wrote:
>>
>> No, he's saying that it's a focal length that not many people actually
>> use despite being a fairly easy focal length to make really well.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 10:31 AM, P.J. Alling 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.
>>>
>>> FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp.  Mike Johnston doesn't see any
>>> point to it.  The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.  That is
>>> all.
>>>
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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-05 Thread P.J. Alling
No, he's saying he doesn't like that focal length so there's no real 
reason to make it.  Everything else is window dressing.


First off, Fuji is producing a very nice system of "retro" cameras. I 
expect that they will sell enough of that lens to justify manufacturing 
them.


Secondly, well, Mike Johnson.  He's just annoying.  He's a decent 
writer, is generally knowledgeable, and when he actually posts a photo 
he's made, it doesn't hurt the eyes, (unlike Kennyboy), but his opinions 
are his own, and he often mistakes them for fact, and like Kennyboy he 
expects to be paid for said opinions.


I never used a 135mm in the good ol' days of film, my first real 
telephoto was a Super Takumar 150mm f4.0.


But the e~135mm focal length grows on you.  (Like a fungus).  Now when I 
don't want to carry a big kit I carry 24mm, (~35mm), 43mm, (~58mm*), and 
85mm (~135mm**).  Gasp, that's a lot like what a lot of people started 
out with from the 1960s thru 1980s.  Those focal lengths just work for 
general photography.  The old timers who recommended them as a starter 
kit actually seem to have known something.



*I know the 43mm is quite a bit longer than the equivelent of 58mm, but 
I defy anyone to tell the difference between a photo taken with the 43mm 
or a 35mm lens on an APS-C camera without a direct comparison taken from 
exactly the same spot.


**Sure it's really e~130mm but once again see the * note above.

On 1/5/2016 8:56 AM, David Parsons wrote:

No, he's saying that it's a focal length that not many people actually
use despite being a fairly easy focal length to make really well.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 10:31 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:

I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.

FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp.  Mike Johnston doesn't see any
point to it.  The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.  That is
all.


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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-05 Thread Mark Roberts
David Parsons wrote:

>No, he's saying that it's a focal length that not many people actually
>use despite being a fairly easy focal length to make really well.

And he's saying it on his own blog which no one is actually obligated
to read if they don't want to.

>On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 10:31 AM, P.J. Alling  
>wrote:
>> I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.
>>
>> FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp.  Mike Johnston doesn't see any
>> point to it.  The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.  That is
>> all.
 
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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-05 Thread David Parsons
No, he's saying that it's a focal length that not many people actually
use despite being a fairly easy focal length to make really well.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 10:31 AM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.
>
> FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp.  Mike Johnston doesn't see any
> point to it.  The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.  That is
> all.
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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-05 Thread P.J. Alling

His reaction would certainly cheer me up.

On 1/5/2016 1:53 AM, John wrote:

On 1/3/2016 10:31 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.

FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp.  Mike Johnston doesn't see
any point to it.  The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.
That is all.




Should we send him cat photos to cheer him up?




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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-05 Thread John

On 1/3/2016 10:31 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.

FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp.  Mike Johnston doesn't see
any point to it.  The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.
That is all.




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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-03 Thread Brian Walters
On Mon, Jan 4, 2016, at 02:38 PM, Bill wrote:
> On 1/3/2016 9:31 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
> > I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.
> >
> > FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp.  Mike Johnston doesn't see
> > any point to it.  The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.
> > That is all.
> >
> >
> I played with the 90mm somewhat before it was actually released to the 
> public. It's an excellent lens, and if you like the FOV it's a very good 
> lens.
> I don't, I've always found the 135mm (equivalent in this case) to be too 
> short to be a telephoto and too long to be much good for anything else.
> 

I agree - and that's pretty much MJ's argument as well.


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Re: OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-03 Thread Bill

On 1/3/2016 9:31 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.

FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp.  Mike Johnston doesn't see
any point to it.  The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.
That is all.


I played with the 90mm somewhat before it was actually released to the 
public. It's an excellent lens, and if you like the FOV it's a very good 
lens.
I don't, I've always found the 135mm (equivalent in this case) to be too 
short to be a telephoto and too long to be much good for anything else.



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OT: Meanwhile at TOP.

2016-01-03 Thread P.J. Alling

I'll report so you don't have to actually visit.

FUJI has a new 90mm lens. It's very sharp.  Mike Johnston doesn't see 
any point to it.  The rest is just dressing to justify his feelings.  
That is all.



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