Re: OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

[P.J. Alling]

I think one of SpaceX's issues is the attempt to land at Sea.  Though 
given their launch site that may be their only option.


On 1/17/2016 5:25 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

SpaceX had another successful launch & satellite deployment today, but
had a leg lock failure when trying to make the 1st Stage's upright
landing on a drone ship in the ocean. They have yet to pull that one
off. If you want to get a glimpse at the optomistic entrepreneur
attitude, look no farther than Elon Musk's tweet releasing the news:
"Well, at least the pieces were bigger this time!"




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Re: OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

[John]

They're saying one of the landing legs failed to lock in place; possibly
due to ice. Elon Musk said "they" think ice came from moisture that
built up due to the launch taking place during a heavy fog.

I don't think it was where they were attempting to land, so much as
where they launched from.

Seems like even with all the problems they're having getting their
reusable booster to land properly, they are still delivering the
payloads into orbit as promised. All the problems seem to be happening
after they've completed the jobs they contracted for.

On 1/18/2016 9:32 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

I think one of SpaceX's issues is the attempt to land at Sea.  Though
given their launch site that may be their only option.

On 1/17/2016 5:25 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

SpaceX had another successful launch & satellite deployment today, but
had a leg lock failure when trying to make the 1st Stage's upright
landing on a drone ship in the ocean. They have yet to pull that one
off. If you want to get a glimpse at the optomistic entrepreneur
attitude, look no farther than Elon Musk's tweet releasing the news:
"Well, at least the pieces were bigger this time!"






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Re: OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

[John]

On 1/17/2016 5:25 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

SpaceX had another successful launch & satellite deployment today, but
had a leg lock failure when trying to make the 1st Stage's upright
landing on a drone ship in the ocean. They have yet to pull that one
off. If you want to get a glimpse at the optomistic entrepreneur
attitude, look no farther than Elon Musk's tweet releasing the news:
"Well, at least the pieces were bigger this time!"



Every failure brings them closer to ultimate success.

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Re: OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

[Darren Addy]

SpaceX had another successful launch & satellite deployment today, but
had a leg lock failure when trying to make the 1st Stage's upright
landing on a drone ship in the ocean. They have yet to pull that one
off. If you want to get a glimpse at the optomistic entrepreneur
attitude, look no farther than Elon Musk's tweet releasing the news:
"Well, at least the pieces were bigger this time!"

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Re: OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

[John]

On 12/22/2015 1:20 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:11 PM, P.J. Alling
 wrote:

The sad thing is that the DC-X was doing something like that 20 years ago.
NASA proved to be incompetent at producing a rocket that took off and landed
on it's tail, just as Heinlein, intended, and we lost 20 years.


I wouldn't be too hard on NASA. It is difficult to compare technology
accomplishements of different ages. 20 years ago may not seem that
long ago, but think what can be done now making use of GPS satellites
that weren't available then (to consider just one such technology). 20
years ago would have been the Before-GPS-Age.



And save a portion of that blame for Congress. They control NASA's purse 
strings.



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OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

[Darren Addy]

If you didn't see it on the news, I watched this live online last
night and it was so impressive. It's rare to get "goosepimple moments"
in life, but this was certainly one of them:

This jumps to the return of the first stage to the landing pad:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=32m24s

And a shot of it landing taken from a helicopter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCBE8ocOkAQ
It's like something out of a Marvin the Martian cartoon.

Here is the darkness of Stage 1 engine shutdown, followed by ignition
of Stage 2 engine:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=25m20s

Here is the launch of the 11 satellites:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=37m25s

Camera is on the side with 6, you don’t see the 5 on the other side
being ejected at the same time (in pairs, until the final one).


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Re: OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

[P.J. Alling]

Actually their issue seems to have been with their engines, and that 
technology hasn't changed all that much in 20 years, we're still using 
designs from the 50's and 60's in most cases, manufactured in Russia...


On 12/22/2015 1:20 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:11 PM, P.J. Alling
 wrote:

The sad thing is that the DC-X was doing something like that 20 years ago.
NASA proved to be incompetent at producing a rocket that took off and landed
on it's tail, just as Heinlein, intended, and we lost 20 years.

I wouldn't be too hard on NASA. It is difficult to compare technology
accomplishements of different ages. 20 years ago may not seem that
long ago, but think what can be done now making use of GPS satellites
that weren't available then (to consider just one such technology). 20
years ago would have been the Before-GPS-Age.


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Re: OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

[Darren Addy]

Russian engines are no longer an option, thanks to Congress, unless
one procures a waiver.
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/without-russian-rocket-engines-america-will-rely-even-more-on-spacex

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-space-ula-spacex-idUSKCN0S22Y920151008

Interestingly, SpaceX doesn't even file patents, Musk says, because
“we try not to provide a recipe by which China can copy us and we find
our inventions coming right back at us.”

Read more: 
http://www.airspacemag.com/space/is-spacex-changing-the-rocket-equation-132285884/

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:33 PM, P.J. Alling
 wrote:
> Actually their issue seems to have been with their engines, and that
> technology hasn't changed all that much in 20 years, we're still using
> designs from the 50's and 60's in most cases, manufactured in Russia...
>
>
> On 12/22/2015 1:20 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:11 PM, P.J. Alling
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> The sad thing is that the DC-X was doing something like that 20 years
>>> ago.
>>> NASA proved to be incompetent at producing a rocket that took off and
>>> landed
>>> on it's tail, just as Heinlein, intended, and we lost 20 years.
>>
>> I wouldn't be too hard on NASA. It is difficult to compare technology
>> accomplishements of different ages. 20 years ago may not seem that
>> long ago, but think what can be done now making use of GPS satellites
>> that weren't available then (to consider just one such technology). 20
>> years ago would have been the Before-GPS-Age.
>>
>>
>> Life is too short to put up with bad bokeh.
>>
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Re: OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

[Darren Addy]

While Blue Origins' accomplishment was also impressive, it is nowhere
near as ambitious a project as the one SpaceX is doing.
Blue Origin wants to take people (not payloads) to the edge of space
(not orbit itself).
More...
http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/24/9793220/blue-origin-vs-spacex-rocket-landing-jeff-bezos-elon-musk


On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
>
> Darren, you just sabotaged my work! ;-)
> Thank you!
>
> Just last week I saw this earlier launch:
> https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28539-watch-blue-origins-surprise-rocket-launch-and-safe-landing/
>
> Igor
>
>
>
> Darren Addy Tue, 22 Dec 2015 07:27:22 -0800 wrote:
>
> If you didn't see it on the news, I watched this live online last
> night and it was so impressive. It's rare to get "goosepimple moments"
> in life, but this was certainly one of them:
>
>
> This jumps to the return of the first stage to the landing pad:
> https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=32m24s
>
> And a shot of it landing taken from a helicopter:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCBE8ocOkAQ
> It's like something out of a Marvin the Martian cartoon.
>
> Here is the darkness of Stage 1 engine shutdown, followed by ignition
> of Stage 2 engine:
> https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=25m20s
>
> Here is the launch of the 11 satellites:
> https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=37m25s
>
> Camera is on the side with 6, you don.t see the 5 on the other side
> being ejected at the same time (in pairs, until the final one).
>
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Re: OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

[Darren Addy]

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:11 PM, P.J. Alling
 wrote:
> The sad thing is that the DC-X was doing something like that 20 years ago.
> NASA proved to be incompetent at producing a rocket that took off and landed
> on it's tail, just as Heinlein, intended, and we lost 20 years.

I wouldn't be too hard on NASA. It is difficult to compare technology
accomplishements of different ages. 20 years ago may not seem that
long ago, but think what can be done now making use of GPS satellites
that weren't available then (to consider just one such technology). 20
years ago would have been the Before-GPS-Age.


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Re: OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

[P.J. Alling]

The sad thing is that the DC-X was doing something like that 20 years 
ago.  NASA proved to be incompetent at producing a rocket that took off 
and landed on it's tail, just as Heinlein, intended, and we lost 20 years.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_DC-X

On 12/22/2015 12:50 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Darren, you just sabotaged my work! ;-)
Thank you!

Just last week I saw this earlier launch:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28539-watch-blue-origins-surprise-rocket-launch-and-safe-landing/ 



Igor



Darren Addy Tue, 22 Dec 2015 07:27:22 -0800 wrote:

If you didn't see it on the news, I watched this live online last
night and it was so impressive. It's rare to get "goosepimple moments"
in life, but this was certainly one of them:


This jumps to the return of the first stage to the landing pad:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=32m24s

And a shot of it landing taken from a helicopter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCBE8ocOkAQ
It's like something out of a Marvin the Martian cartoon.

Here is the darkness of Stage 1 engine shutdown, followed by ignition
of Stage 2 engine:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=25m20s

Here is the launch of the 11 satellites:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=37m25s

Camera is on the side with 6, you don.t see the 5 on the other side
being ejected at the same time (in pairs, until the final one).





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Re: OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

[Alan C]

Obviously a big step forward. Shades of Dan Dare (PP41)! However, I read in 
the news that the French are downplaying this notable achievement saying it 
is no more than a "technological feat".


Alan C

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Subject: OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

I watched this live online last night and it was so impressive. It's
rare to get "goose-pimple moments" in life, but this was one of them:

This jumps to the return of the first stage to the landing pad:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=32m24s

And a shot of it landing taken from a helicopter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCBE8ocOkAQ
It's like something out of a Marvin the Martian cartoon.

Here is the darkness of Stage 1 engine shutdown, followed by ignition
of Stage 2 engine:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=25m20s

Here is the launch of the 11 satellites:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=37m25s

Camera is on the side with 6, you don’t see the 5 on the other side
being ejected at the same time (in pairs, until the final one).


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OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

[Darren Addy]

I watched this live online last night and it was so impressive. It's
rare to get "goose-pimple moments" in life, but this was one of them:

This jumps to the return of the first stage to the landing pad:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=32m24s

And a shot of it landing taken from a helicopter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCBE8ocOkAQ
It's like something out of a Marvin the Martian cartoon.

Here is the darkness of Stage 1 engine shutdown, followed by ignition
of Stage 2 engine:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=25m20s

Here is the launch of the 11 satellites:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=37m25s

Camera is on the side with 6, you don’t see the 5 on the other side
being ejected at the same time (in pairs, until the final one).


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OT: SpaceX last night was simply awesome

[Igor PDML-StR]

Darren, you just sabotaged my work! ;-)
Thank you!

Just last week I saw this earlier launch:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28539-watch-blue-origins-surprise-rocket-launch-and-safe-landing/

Igor



Darren Addy Tue, 22 Dec 2015 07:27:22 -0800 wrote:

If you didn't see it on the news, I watched this live online last
night and it was so impressive. It's rare to get "goosepimple moments"
in life, but this was certainly one of them:


This jumps to the return of the first stage to the landing pad:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=32m24s

And a shot of it landing taken from a helicopter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCBE8ocOkAQ
It's like something out of a Marvin the Martian cartoon.

Here is the darkness of Stage 1 engine shutdown, followed by ignition
of Stage 2 engine:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=25m20s

Here is the launch of the 11 satellites:
https://youtu.be/O5bTbVbe4e4?t=37m25s

Camera is on the side with 6, you don.t see the 5 on the other side
being ejected at the same time (in pairs, until the final one).


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