Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

[Alan C]

I remember some tall guys who raced Mini-Coopers in days of yore - they 
drove with their heads cocked over to one side!


Alan C

On 03-Oct-20 07:12 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
Just a few days ago I watched a bit of a hoonigan video where someone 
upwards of 6'4" got into and drove a 1966 MG midget.

I couldn't use the gas & brake pedals without my knee hitting the side of the 
console. I ended up with a MGB instead (which also cost me about 1/10 what the 
Miata would have).

I had a friend who was 6’6” who had MGBs.

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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

[Larry Colen]

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 9:59 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> On 10/2/2020 20:25:08, l...@red4est.com wrote:
>> On October 2, 2020 5:09:55 PM PDT, John Francis  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 02:58:03AM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
 
 
 
 
 Boris Liberman Wed, 30 Sep 2020 22:32:55 -0700 wrote:
 
 My late father was 172 cm tall and considered himself an average
>>> height. I
 am 180 cm tall and I think just like my dad.
 
 So, yes - he could fit comfortably in Ford Escort circa 1980es, while
>>> I'd
 prefer bigger Ford Focus.
>>> 
>>> I'm 180cm (5' 11"), about the same height as my father, and neither of
>>> us
>>> (or my younger brother) had any problem fitting in, or driving, our
>>> 1970
>>> Ford Escort Estate.
>>> 
>>> My brother ended up owning that car - when I left home I chose to take
>>> my
>>> mother's Morris Minor 1000 Traveller at no cost, rather than purchasing
>>> the Escort at a nominal price.
>> Just a few days ago I watched a bit of a hoonigan video where someone 
>> upwards of 6'4" got into and drove a 1966 MG midget.
>> He actually got better than he would have in a Miata.
> 
> I've shrunk to somewhere between 5'11" and 5'10" ** and I have trouble 
> fitting in a Miata
> 
> ... and it's not just because I'm too wide now, so shut up you face.

With my first daily driver miata, I had to cut foam out of the driver’s seat 
cushion because it sat me so high the wind over the windshield blew my hat off.

> 
> I couldn't use the gas & brake pedals without my knee hitting the side of the 
> console. I ended up with a MGB instead (which also cost me about 1/10 what 
> the Miata would have).

I had a friend who was 6’6” who had MGBs.

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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

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On 10/2/2020 20:25:08, l...@red4est.com wrote:



On October 2, 2020 5:09:55 PM PDT, John Francis  wrote:

On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 02:58:03AM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote:





Boris Liberman Wed, 30 Sep 2020 22:32:55 -0700 wrote:

My late father was 172 cm tall and considered himself an average

height. I

am 180 cm tall and I think just like my dad.

So, yes - he could fit comfortably in Ford Escort circa 1980es, while

I'd

prefer bigger Ford Focus.


I'm 180cm (5' 11"), about the same height as my father, and neither of
us
(or my younger brother) had any problem fitting in, or driving, our
1970
Ford Escort Estate.

My brother ended up owning that car - when I left home I chose to take
my
mother's Morris Minor 1000 Traveller at no cost, rather than purchasing
the Escort at a nominal price.


Just a few days ago I watched a bit of a hoonigan video where someone upwards of 
6'4" got into and drove a 1966 MG midget.

He actually got better than he would have in a Miata.



I've shrunk to somewhere between 5'11" and 5'10" ** and I have trouble fitting 
in a Miata


... and it's not just because I'm too wide now, so shut up you face.

I couldn't use the gas & brake pedals without my knee hitting the side of the 
console. I ended up with a MGB instead (which also cost me about 1/10 what the 
Miata would have).


** Maxed out at 6'0" in my late teens - early 20s and life has been hammering me 
down since then.


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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

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On October 2, 2020 5:09:55 PM PDT, John Francis  wrote:
>On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 02:58:03AM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Boris Liberman Wed, 30 Sep 2020 22:32:55 -0700 wrote:
>> 
>> My late father was 172 cm tall and considered himself an average
>height. I
>> am 180 cm tall and I think just like my dad.
>> 
>> So, yes - he could fit comfortably in Ford Escort circa 1980es, while
>I'd
>> prefer bigger Ford Focus.
>
>I'm 180cm (5' 11"), about the same height as my father, and neither of
>us
>(or my younger brother) had any problem fitting in, or driving, our
>1970
>Ford Escort Estate.
>
>My brother ended up owning that car - when I left home I chose to take
>my
>mother's Morris Minor 1000 Traveller at no cost, rather than purchasing
>the Escort at a nominal price.

Just a few days ago I watched a bit of a hoonigan video where someone upwards 
of 6'4" got into and drove a 1966 MG midget.

He actually got better than he would have in a Miata.

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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

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On Fri, Oct 02, 2020 at 02:58:03AM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
> 
> Ghm... Google tells me that Abraham Lincoln was 6'4" (193 cm).
> So, now, I know why he did not drive a car: he didn't fit in either of those
> cars.  :-)
> 
> On a serious note, one guy we knew long time ago was close to 2-m tall
> (somewhere in the vicinity of 6'6").
> Surprisingly, the car he bought was a smallish one, something like Toyota
> Celica. He had tried many cars, and that one had the most leg space for him.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> Boris Liberman Wed, 30 Sep 2020 22:32:55 -0700 wrote:
> 
> My late father was 172 cm tall and considered himself an average height. I
> am 180 cm tall and I think just like my dad.
> 
> So, yes - he could fit comfortably in Ford Escort circa 1980es, while I'd
> prefer bigger Ford Focus.

I'm 180cm (5' 11"), about the same height as my father, and neither of us
(or my younger brother) had any problem fitting in, or driving, our 1970
Ford Escort Estate.

My brother ended up owning that car - when I left home I chose to take my
mother's Morris Minor 1000 Traveller at no cost, rather than purchasing
the Escort at a nominal price.

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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

[Boris Liberman]

So when Lincoln brand was established someone really did their homework?
Remarkable!

:-)

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 09:58 Igor PDML-StR  wrote:

>
> Ghm... Google tells me that Abraham Lincoln was 6'4" (193 cm).
> So, now, I know why he did not drive a car: he didn't fit in either of
> those cars.  :-)
>
> On a serious note, one guy we knew long time ago was close to 2-m tall
> (somewhere in the vicinity of 6'6").
> Surprisingly, the car he bought was a smallish one, something like Toyota
> Celica. He had tried many cars, and that one had the most leg space for
> him.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Igor
>
>
> Boris Liberman Wed, 30 Sep 2020 22:32:55 -0700 wrote:
>
> My late father was 172 cm tall and considered himself an average height. I
> am 180 cm tall and I think just like my dad.
>
> So, yes - he could fit comfortably in Ford Escort circa 1980es, while I'd
> prefer bigger Ford Focus.
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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

[Igor PDML-StR]

Ghm... Google tells me that Abraham Lincoln was 6'4" (193 cm).
So, now, I know why he did not drive a car: he didn't fit in either of 
those cars.  :-)


On a serious note, one guy we knew long time ago was close to 2-m tall 
(somewhere in the vicinity of 6'6").
Surprisingly, the car he bought was a smallish one, something like Toyota 
Celica. He had tried many cars, and that one had the most leg space for 
him.


Cheers,

Igor


Boris Liberman Wed, 30 Sep 2020 22:32:55 -0700 wrote:

My late father was 172 cm tall and considered himself an average height. I
am 180 cm tall and I think just like my dad.

So, yes - he could fit comfortably in Ford Escort circa 1980es, while I'd
prefer bigger Ford Focus.

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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 01.10.20 um 13:07 schrieb Boris Liberman:


My problem is rather width due to sharing a covered parking space with a
neighbor.


...which is exactly why I have this particular space as there is no
other vehicle on my left side. I'd never get out of my car in a normal
space.

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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

[Boris Liberman]

Ralf, good to see you.

My problem is rather width due to sharing a covered parking space with a
neighbor. So moving from Hyundai I30 to Ford Focus Active X, I gained few
centimeters in width. It makes my parking ever so more difficult in terms
of precision. I wouldn't want my neighbor to have trouble getting in or out
of his car.

Boris


On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 11:50 Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:

> Am 01.10.20 um 07:31 schrieb Boris Liberman:
>
> > One can also look at VW Polo. It is as big now as some earlier
> generations
> > of VW Golf.
>
> My rented space in an underground car park is a sort of alcove with
> limited length. My good old Opel/Vauxhall Vectra B estate fit nicely.
> Would have loved to get the Vectra C afterwards but that was too long,
> so I had to "scale down" to an Astra which was again a few centimeters
> longer but still fit.
>
> So, I'll have to keep buying the next smaller model (which is still
> bigger than the old bigger model) if I want to keep my place in the car
> park (these are rare and not exactly cheap here).
>
> Sometimes I wonder how we ever got around the next corner with a Volvo
> 121 that had 68 HP and size 175 tyres.
>
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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 01.10.20 um 07:31 schrieb Boris Liberman:


One can also look at VW Polo. It is as big now as some earlier generations
of VW Golf.


My rented space in an underground car park is a sort of alcove with
limited length. My good old Opel/Vauxhall Vectra B estate fit nicely.
Would have loved to get the Vectra C afterwards but that was too long,
so I had to "scale down" to an Astra which was again a few centimeters
longer but still fit.

So, I'll have to keep buying the next smaller model (which is still
bigger than the old bigger model) if I want to keep my place in the car
park (these are rare and not exactly cheap here).

Sometimes I wonder how we ever got around the next corner with a Volvo
121 that had 68 HP and size 175 tyres.

Ralf

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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

[Boris Liberman]

My late father was 172 cm tall and considered himself an average height. I
am 180 cm tall and I think just like my dad.

So, yes - he could fit comfortably in Ford Escort circa 1980es, while I'd
prefer bigger Ford Focus.

One can also look at VW Polo. It is as big now as some earlier generations
of VW Golf.

So, cars are getting bigger. Why would that be an issue?

Sorry, I didn't watch the video.

Boris

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 22:53 John Francis  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 02:44:45PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Paul Stenquist 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > A load of crap from a know-nothing.
>
> Quite.  I gave up watching almost immediately.
>
> One reason cars keep getting bigger is because the person most likely to
> buy a 2021 Wombat is the owner of an earlier-model-year Wombat.
>
> But people and families keep getting bigger, so they're looking for more
> space in the car.  And they've probably got more household income, too,
> so there are lots of opportunites to sell high-profit-margin 'features;
> a lot of buyers aren't looking for a feature-for-feature replacement.
>
> I've actually remarked on the Ranger when I pulled up behind one (around
> here it's common to see old cars & trucks still in everyday use; we don't
> have a lot of salt on the roads during winter to eat away the bodywork).
> I've also made similar comments about the Honda Civic; what started off
> as a pretty basic (and cheap) entry-level model has changed considerably
> over the years, and now looks enormous compared to that original model.
> (It's also a whole lot more comfortable to drive, and somewhat faster).
>
> As an individual model line grows that opens up space for a smaller and
> cheaper model to be added to the lineup. So while a current-year Wombat
> may have grown a few inches compared to last year's model, anyone looking
> for a smaller vehicle might prefer to test drive the Woodchuck ...
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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

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On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 02:44:45PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> > 
> > A load of crap from a know-nothing.

Quite.  I gave up watching almost immediately.

One reason cars keep getting bigger is because the person most likely to
buy a 2021 Wombat is the owner of an earlier-model-year Wombat.

But people and families keep getting bigger, so they're looking for more
space in the car.  And they've probably got more household income, too,
so there are lots of opportunites to sell high-profit-margin 'features;
a lot of buyers aren't looking for a feature-for-feature replacement.

I've actually remarked on the Ranger when I pulled up behind one (around
here it's common to see old cars & trucks still in everyday use; we don't
have a lot of salt on the roads during winter to eat away the bodywork).
I've also made similar comments about the Honda Civic; what started off
as a pretty basic (and cheap) entry-level model has changed considerably
over the years, and now looks enormous compared to that original model.
(It's also a whole lot more comfortable to drive, and somewhat faster).

As an individual model line grows that opens up space for a smaller and
cheaper model to be added to the lineup. So while a current-year Wombat
may have grown a few inches compared to last year's model, anyone looking
for a smaller vehicle might prefer to test drive the Woodchuck ...

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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

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On Sep 29, 2020, at 14:49, Larry Colen  wrote:

> 
>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A load of crap from a know-nothing. The old Ranger was a compact truck. The 
>>> new one is a midsize. And cars have disappeared. But SUVs have become more 
>>> compact.
>> 
>> Interesting, I wonder what the difference in size and weight is between 
>> 1960, 1990 and 2020 Suburbans.
>> 
> 
> Also Honda Civics, Toyota Corollas, Ford Mustangs, Dodge Challengers….
> 
> Mind you a modern Civic, particularly the R, would give most years of 
> Corvette a run for their money, on either a drag strip or a road course.

Back in the early 1960s while a SF region SCCA volunteer I repeatedly heard Bob 
(or Al) Holbert use the term "Preposterous ponderous plastic pachyderm" for 
GM's two-seater muscle car. Bob (or Al) drove a pretty hot AC Ace and later a 
MK I AC Cobra (based on the Ace, complete with the transverse leaf spring on 
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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

[Paul Stenquist]

Suburbans are probably about the same size, somewhat heavier but much more fuel 
efficient. But they’re outside the norm. Chevy Equinox, a compact vehicle with 
quite a bit of interior space, is far and away GM’s best selling SUV.

Paul

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> A load of crap from a know-nothing. The old Ranger was a compact truck. The 
>> new one is a midsize. And cars have disappeared. But SUVs have become more 
>> compact.
> 
> Interesting, I wonder what the difference in size and weight is between 1960, 
> 1990 and 2020 Suburbans.
> 
> 
>> Paul
>> 
 On Sep 29, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://digg.com/video/the-unexpected-reason-cars-keep-getting-bigger
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

[Larry Colen]

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:44 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> 
>> A load of crap from a know-nothing. The old Ranger was a compact truck. The 
>> new one is a midsize. And cars have disappeared. But SUVs have become more 
>> compact.
> 
> Interesting, I wonder what the difference in size and weight is between 1960, 
> 1990 and 2020 Suburbans.
> 

Also Honda Civics, Toyota Corollas, Ford Mustangs, Dodge Challengers….

Mind you a modern Civic, particularly the R, would give most years of Corvette 
a run for their money, on either a drag strip or a road course.


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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

[Larry Colen]

> On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> A load of crap from a know-nothing. The old Ranger was a compact truck. The 
> new one is a midsize. And cars have disappeared. But SUVs have become more 
> compact.

Interesting, I wonder what the difference in size and weight is between 1960, 
1990 and 2020 Suburbans.


> Paul
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>> 
>> https://digg.com/video/the-unexpected-reason-cars-keep-getting-bigger
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> *https://tinyurl.com/DJM-Pentax-Gallery
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Re: OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

[Paul Stenquist]

A load of crap from a know-nothing. The old Ranger was a compact truck. The new 
one is a midsize. And cars have disappeared. But SUVs have become more compact.
Paul

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> https://digg.com/video/the-unexpected-reason-cars-keep-getting-bigger
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OT: Why are cars getting bigger?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

https://digg.com/video/the-unexpected-reason-cars-keep-getting-bigger

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