Re: OT- let's pray 2-
The sad part Frank is he was right. Apparently you know no other epithet if
YOU don't like what someone says it's racist.
I personally thought Scooters post was extremely disturbing, very anti
social, and
probably in poor taste however it wasn't racist.
You however have a holier than thou attitude which is not becoming. I
doubt that
Scoorterman really cares what you think of him, which is the only reason I
can see
for revisionism. Because of this I at least believe he's telling the truth
he laid
a trap for you and you walked in.
Your reasonableness in this totally unreasonable situation is getting a bit
old.
I know I'm in the minority however I'm tired of it.
By the way. It seems that the Chinese have just apprehended a number of
gentlemen
who seemed to have plans to attack American interests in China. This has to
be somewhat
embarrassing to the Chinese government, they so believe in order and control.
Needless to these gentelmen they seem to be of middle eastern origin. There
is that politically correct enough for you.
At 11:04 PM 9/13/2001 -0400, Frank wrote:
>No amount of glossing or revision can change what you said in your first post:
>
>"> let's KILL SOMETHING THEN pray over it
> >
> > Afghanistan/Pakistan whatever. Plow em BOTH under & salt the soil."
>
>You didn't say "if" they're responsible. You didn't say we "may yet" level
>them. It was a clear call to raze and destroy them. I found that offensive
>and insensitive.
>
>And, as far as what may or may not be racist, I think it's fair to go beyond
>mere dictionary definitions. I have no doubt that the proprietors of your
>local gas bar wear turbans. Why mention it? To what end? Why mention that
>"they still want $4 a gallon" for gas - as if it's wrong for them to do so?
>
>You chose to identify someone by a stereotypical physical
>characteristic. That
>would be like referring to an African-American gas bar owner as "the
>curly-haired friend", or a Chinese one as "the slant-eyed friend". The
>context
>in which you made the statement ("though they still wanted $4.00 a gal for
>petrol") sure sounded like a put down, and hence was, as far as I'm concerned,
>a racist comment.
>
>Please note, that I didn't call YOU a racist. I said it was a racist comment,
>and I stand by what I said.
>
>And by the way, I didn't assume anything about hijackers, Arabs, Muslims, or
>anything else. I simply felt that your comment about the fact that the
>gas bar
>owners or attendants wear turbans was inappropriate, no matter what their
>ethnicity - especially given the context of recent events.
>
>If I'm wrong about your comments - or you - then I apologize. And, I DID mean
>the part about "have a good day". :-)
>
>-frank
>
>Scooterman wrote:
>
> > Frank...
> >
> > Before you make accusations toward someone,
> > understand what it is you're accusing them of:
> > ~
> > racism \ra-si-zem also -shi-\ noun (1936)
> > 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and
> > capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a
> > particular race
> > 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
> > racist \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective
> > (C) 1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated
> > ~~~
> > I stated a personal opinion based upon the evidence (so far) that if it IS
> > indeed Pakistan/Afghanistan responsible for our current woes (which
> > actually started over 10yrs ago), we may YET level the countries mentioned.
> > Something the Russians were unwilling to do.
> >
> > I'd just like to see it taken to it's most extreme conclusion & salt the
> > earth (as the Egyptians did to a N. African country over 3,000 years ago).
> > That way, "putting an end to terrorism" may be a bit easier... in the long
> > run.
> >
> > As far as the new gas attendants goes, those were statements of FACT.
> >
> > Hey... maybe it was *coincidence* that the turban wearing managers/owners
> > of the gas station hired American "looking" attendants & started giving
> > them instructions by phone. I dunno. They may be on vacation.
> >
> > In today's melting pot, what DOES an "American" look like? Eh?
> > Asian? Mexican? AfroAmerican? Hindi? Puerto Rican?
> > That was hint #1 in avoiding a knee-jerk reaction.
> >
> > I took a factual event & reported in such a way that one would ...
> > basicly over react. You "fell" for the bait, young man.
> >
> > Those wearing the turbans are actually Sri Lankans.
> > The Hijackers are generally "classified" as Islamic/Arabian.
> > BIG difference.
> > You "assumed" I was making an ignorant, red-neck, RACIST generalization
> > about "rag-heads".
> >
> > Not one word in my post was actually racist, prejudgemental or alluding to
> > racial superiority.
> >
> > BTW... I try to have a "nice day" every day.
> > Thanks for your concern.
> >
>
Re: OT- let's pray 2-
Then let's just ignore them Dan Aaron Reynolds wrote: > Actually, Scoot's posts call for the death of everyone in the country, > followed by the salting of the soil so that nothing will ever grow > there. I believe that his posts are what everyone is getting worked up about. -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers & Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Gee, you hold a grudge a long time :) --- Scooterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd just like to see it taken to it's most extreme > conclusion & salt the > earth (as the Egyptians did to a N. African country > over 3,000 years ago). __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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>> Trolling on the PDML happens. Most of the time, it's just a nuisance, >> but you're shitting on the memory of thousands of real people, some of >> whom were connected to us here on PDML, directly and indirectly. >> >> Scoot: stop it or get off the list. I stand with Aaron and Shel and the others. I, for one, have no tolerance for a full-time troll-baby on this list. Shape up or scoot, Scoot. -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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I've had about enough of this bull. You said, "Do you honestly believe that going to war against the common people of Afghanistan is going to be an effective answer?" NO ONE PROPOSES GOING TO WAR WITH THE COMMON PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN OR THE COMMON PEOPLE OF ANY OTHER STAN! NO ONE HAS EVER PROPOSED WAR WITH ANY COMMON PEOPLE. IT'S INEFFECTIVE AND TOO COSTLY TO WASTE $1,000,000 MUNITIONS TARGETING NON PARTICIPANTS! The war is against the terrorist state within Afghanistan and with the power that welcomes them and gives them refuge! Regards, Bob... --- "In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' " --Rudyard Kipling From: "Jim Moniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > This is the last message I plan to post on this tragic subject, so I'm gonna > try to make it count... > > I must agree with Aaron, Shel, and the others. Racist bloodthirsty rants > are NOT acceptable here. I've had no choice but to block "Shoot 'er, man!" > from my e-mail box until this whole thing dies down, or maybe for good. His > comments cut across me deeply, and hurt like hell. The Afghan people are > already ravaged by war, and most oppose the Taliban government that is > apparently housing bin Laden. Do you honestly believe that going to war > against the common people of Afghanistan is going to be an effective answer? > Maybe you do, but I don't. Like everyone else, I was enraged and shocked at > the events of Tuesday. But inflammatory comments only hurt, they cannot > help the victims, their families or their loved ones. Such energy might be > better used by giving blood, raising money for the victims and their > families, etc. > I realize there's going to be disagreement on these matters. It's expected > and understandable. But some people want to take things to extremes without > considering the consequences...much like the terrorists did. They died in > vain. Hopefully no one else will. > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT- let's pray 2-
This is the last message I plan to post on this tragic subject, so I'm gonna try to make it count... I must agree with Aaron, Shel, and the others. Racist bloodthirsty rants are NOT acceptable here. I've had no choice but to block "Shoot 'er, man!" from my e-mail box until this whole thing dies down, or maybe for good. His comments cut across me deeply, and hurt like hell. The Afghan people are already ravaged by war, and most oppose the Taliban government that is apparently housing bin Laden. Do you honestly believe that going to war against the common people of Afghanistan is going to be an effective answer? Maybe you do, but I don't. Like everyone else, I was enraged and shocked at the events of Tuesday. But inflammatory comments only hurt, they cannot help the victims, their families or their loved ones. Such energy might be better used by giving blood, raising money for the victims and their families, etc. I realize there's going to be disagreement on these matters. It's expected and understandable. But some people want to take things to extremes without considering the consequences...much like the terrorists did. They died in vain. Hopefully no one else will. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Scooterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hey... maybe it was *coincidence* that the turban wearing managers/owners > of the gas station hired American "looking" attendants & started giving > them instructions by phone. I dunno. They may be on vacation. With people like you in the neighborhood, I'm sure it was no coincidence. -tih -- Puritanism -- the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT- let's pray 2-
A scroll of mail from Scooterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:39:03 -0400 Read it? y >Hey... maybe it was *coincidence* that the turban wearing managers/owners >of the gas station hired American "looking" attendants & started giving >them instructions by phone. I dunno. They may be on vacation. If they're wearing turbans then they're almost certainly Sikhs and not Muslims. Can you Klan members at least get your bigotries sorted out? dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Aaron wrote: > Scoot: stop it or get off the list. > > -Aaron I`ll second that. I want to thank our neighbors to the north for being, well, such good neighbors. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
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Scooterman wrote: > I took a factual event & reported in such a way that one would ... > basicly over react. You "fell" for the bait, young man. I don't know why you think it is funny or even appropriate to be baiting people to anger with these events. Using this horrible tragedy as a platform from which to launch trolls is, in my opinion, a serious disrespect to the five thousand people who have lost their lives. Congrats, Scoot, you are King Troll of PDML. You win. You made Frank angry. You made me angry, but I resisted posting until now. So you win. You beat me. You trolled until I couldn't take it anymore. You win. Must feel good, Scoot. Five thousand people died so you could post deliberately outrageous statements, make people angry and then laugh about it. Good for you. You win. > Not one word in my post was actually racist, prejudgemental or alluding to > racial superiority. Not prejudgemental? Are you joking? You are missing the point of Frank's rebuke: that not all people of the same ethnicity of the terrorists are themselves terrorists. I'm going to repeat this point again: did you want to salt the earth of the United States after killing all residents of the United States as retribution for McVeigh? No? But you want to kill everyone in Afghanistan because there are some extremists that came from there. Sorry, I forgot. You don't believe the things you post, you're just doing it for the reaction. Good work, you got me twice in the same response. You win. In a followup, you posted > > You wanna think something, go for it. > Wanna spit some rhetoric out that hole in yer face... fine... as long as > it's the internet, go for it. > Trying it in the REAL WORLD[tm] may ruin your day... even in Toronto. So, you didn't make sweeping blanket statements about killing everyone in Afghanistan? Or what? I don't even understand this followup, other than as further bait to Frank, especially with it ending in digs at the Canadian dollar and how he must be a follower. ...oh, I get it, it's another troll! You got me again, Scoot! Wow, you must be REALLY happy that all those people died, because this has just been a troll jackpot for you! I bet you're just salivating at the prospect of more deaths! Trolling on the PDML happens. Most of the time, it's just a nuisance, but you're shitting on the memory of thousands of real people, some of whom were connected to us here on PDML, directly and indirectly. Scoot: stop it or get off the list. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT- let's pray 2-
No amount of glossing or revision can change what you said in your first post:
"> let's KILL SOMETHING THEN pray over it
>
> Afghanistan/Pakistan whatever. Plow em BOTH under & salt the soil."
You didn't say "if" they're responsible. You didn't say we "may yet" level
them. It was a clear call to raze and destroy them. I found that offensive
and insensitive.
And, as far as what may or may not be racist, I think it's fair to go beyond
mere dictionary definitions. I have no doubt that the proprietors of your
local gas bar wear turbans. Why mention it? To what end? Why mention that
"they still want $4 a gallon" for gas - as if it's wrong for them to do so?
You chose to identify someone by a stereotypical physical characteristic. That
would be like referring to an African-American gas bar owner as "the
curly-haired friend", or a Chinese one as "the slant-eyed friend". The context
in which you made the statement ("though they still wanted $4.00 a gal for
petrol") sure sounded like a put down, and hence was, as far as I'm concerned,
a racist comment.
Please note, that I didn't call YOU a racist. I said it was a racist comment,
and I stand by what I said.
And by the way, I didn't assume anything about hijackers, Arabs, Muslims, or
anything else. I simply felt that your comment about the fact that the gas bar
owners or attendants wear turbans was inappropriate, no matter what their
ethnicity - especially given the context of recent events.
If I'm wrong about your comments - or you - then I apologize. And, I DID mean
the part about "have a good day". :-)
-frank
Scooterman wrote:
> Frank...
>
> Before you make accusations toward someone,
> understand what it is you're accusing them of:
> ~
> racism \ra-si-zem also -shi-\ noun (1936)
> 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and
> capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a
> particular race
> 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
> racist \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective
> (C) 1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated
> ~~~
> I stated a personal opinion based upon the evidence (so far) that if it IS
> indeed Pakistan/Afghanistan responsible for our current woes (which
> actually started over 10yrs ago), we may YET level the countries mentioned.
> Something the Russians were unwilling to do.
>
> I'd just like to see it taken to it's most extreme conclusion & salt the
> earth (as the Egyptians did to a N. African country over 3,000 years ago).
> That way, "putting an end to terrorism" may be a bit easier... in the long
> run.
>
> As far as the new gas attendants goes, those were statements of FACT.
>
> Hey... maybe it was *coincidence* that the turban wearing managers/owners
> of the gas station hired American "looking" attendants & started giving
> them instructions by phone. I dunno. They may be on vacation.
>
> In today's melting pot, what DOES an "American" look like? Eh?
> Asian? Mexican? AfroAmerican? Hindi? Puerto Rican?
> That was hint #1 in avoiding a knee-jerk reaction.
>
> I took a factual event & reported in such a way that one would ...
> basicly over react. You "fell" for the bait, young man.
>
> Those wearing the turbans are actually Sri Lankans.
> The Hijackers are generally "classified" as Islamic/Arabian.
> BIG difference.
> You "assumed" I was making an ignorant, red-neck, RACIST generalization
> about "rag-heads".
>
> Not one word in my post was actually racist, prejudgemental or alluding to
> racial superiority.
>
> BTW... I try to have a "nice day" every day.
> Thanks for your concern.
>
--
"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true." -J. Robert
Oppenheimer
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Frank... Before you make accusations toward someone, understand what it is you're accusing them of: ~ racism \ra-si-zem also -shi-\ noun (1936) 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination racist \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective (C) 1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated ~~~ I stated a personal opinion based upon the evidence (so far) that if it IS indeed Pakistan/Afghanistan responsible for our current woes (which actually started over 10yrs ago), we may YET level the countries mentioned. Something the Russians were unwilling to do. I'd just like to see it taken to it's most extreme conclusion & salt the earth (as the Egyptians did to a N. African country over 3,000 years ago). That way, "putting an end to terrorism" may be a bit easier... in the long run. As far as the new gas attendants goes, those were statements of FACT. Hey... maybe it was *coincidence* that the turban wearing managers/owners of the gas station hired American "looking" attendants & started giving them instructions by phone. I dunno. They may be on vacation. In today's melting pot, what DOES an "American" look like? Eh? Asian? Mexican? AfroAmerican? Hindi? Puerto Rican? That was hint #1 in avoiding a knee-jerk reaction. I took a factual event & reported in such a way that one would ... basicly over react. You "fell" for the bait, young man. Those wearing the turbans are actually Sri Lankans. The Hijackers are generally "classified" as Islamic/Arabian. BIG difference. You "assumed" I was making an ignorant, red-neck, RACIST generalization about "rag-heads". Not one word in my post was actually racist, prejudgemental or alluding to racial superiority. BTW... I try to have a "nice day" every day. Thanks for your concern. Scoot = From: Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT -let's pray I'm sorry, but I don't think that this list, even in this most difficult of times, has any place for such racist comments. Have a nice day. - -frank Scooterman wrote: > Let's pray my doopa > > let's KILL SOMETHING THEN pray over it > > Afghanistan/Pakistan whatever. Plow em BOTH under & salt the soil. > > It's funny how the turban'd friends running the local gas station managed > to turn into fresh faced American boys over night > (though they still wanted $4.00 a gal for petrol). > > It's also funny the gun store didn't have ONE box of 9mm ... even the > Russian crap that's guaranteed to foul up. > (No .50cal either... talk about loaded for Bear!). > > Scoot - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
