Re: OT - Mac Mini

[David Mann]

On Jan 13, 2005, at 8:19 AM, Tim Sherburne wrote:
My only concern about the Mini is the memory situation: Apparently, 
the RAM
is not user upgradeable, which means you'll need to pay an outrageous 
$425
to Apple for 1GB of RAM. Also, there's only one slot, so the box maxes 
out
at 1GB. Not a lot of room for expansion, which really relegates this 
unit to
more mundane tasks.
Apple are a real pain with their default memory configuration.  My G5 
came with 256Mb - I added 1Gb as soon as I got it and have subsequently 
upgraded it to 3Gb.

For my latest upgrade my local Apple reseller sold me a pair of 1Gb 
sticks for not much more than the stuff that the PC shops sell.  It 
wasn't Apple-branded but I assume that it's been tested/certified for 
use on Apple machines.

But at least I can open a G5 tower to install the memory myself.  From 
what I've seen of new Mini it's probably going to need special tooling 
just to get the box open.  I wonder if Apple's margins are so thin that 
they are keen to make a little extra by requiring the Apple-branded 
memory and service technicians to install it?

Having said all that, I'm really not the intended market for the new 
Mini.  The memory thing is all that bothers me about this machine.  The 
2.5" hard drive will only make things worse when the RAM starts getting 
tight.  But overall I am very impressed.

For a primary workstation, I think their other computers offer a better
value.
For a real workstation (eg heavy Photoshop use) I would strongly 
recommend a G5 with LOTS of memory.

- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[David Mann]

On Jan 13, 2005, at 2:00 PM, Mishka wrote:
0. (biggest offendre) Quiet power supply (Antec 420W is quiet enough)
The PSU fan is what's making most of the noise and is where I'm 
concentrating my efforts.  I am intending to relocate the box at some 
point, but I will need to install phone and network cabling first.

I thought about relocating it into my office, to give me an incentive 
to find somewhere better and/or work some more on silencing it :)

1. (important) Zalman CPU cooler
Don't need it - I have a big passive heatsink.
I didn't mention that it's only a Pentium-133 I'm talking about, with a 
whopping 64Mb of RAM.  It runs my home network extremely well.  I have 
considered upgrades for various reasons but have resisted so far.

2. (optional) Quiet HDDs
The HDD is pretty quiet as-is so no problems there.
I actually have a spare Compaq P2-400 machine here which is very small 
and very quiet.  I almost set it up as a replacement server, getting as 
far as installing Linux but I stopped when I thought about the fact 
that there was no way I'd be able to get a CD writer into it.  Which 
reminds me, I'd better do some backups.

Cheers,
- Dave
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Doug Franklin]

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:37:23 +, mike wilson wrote:

> 3. Many modern graphics cards have excessively noisy fans.  A huge, 
> double heatsink and a pair of heat pipes converts the irritation into 
> blissful silence.

Definitely.  My CPU fan is 11dB.  Each of my two case fans are 14dB. 
The fan on my graphics card, OTOH, is 28dB!

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[mike wilson]

Mishka wrote:
0. (biggest offendre) Quiet power supply (Antec 420W is quiet enough) 
1. (important) Zalman CPU cooler
2. (optional) Quiet HDDs
3. Many modern graphics cards have excessively noisy fans.  A huge, 
double heatsink and a pair of heat pipes converts the irritation into 
blissful silence.

my PC used to sound like an jet taking off. now I can barely hear it.
best,
mishka

- Dave (trying to quieten his current PC/Linux fileserver)
Still working on mine.  PSU is next in the firing line
m

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Mishka]

0. (biggest offendre) Quiet power supply (Antec 420W is quiet enough) 
1. (important) Zalman CPU cooler
2. (optional) Quiet HDDs

my PC used to sound like an jet taking off. now I can barely hear it.
best,
mishka

> - Dave (trying to quieten his current PC/Linux fileserver)
> 
> http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
> 
>

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Cotty]

On 12/1/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Cotty" 
>Subject: Re: OT - Mac Mini
>
>
>
>> 
>> You like pain boy?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Me too 
>
>You really must meet my wife..
>
>William Robb

So I was out driving last night and the police pulled me up for speeding.

The officer says to me ' Blimey mate, now what's so important that you're
in such a hurry to get to' ??

I said that I was on my way to a lecture.

'What? At three o'clock in the morning?'

'Yep - my wife will be giving it.'






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Re: iPhoto question.........was: Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Cotty]

On 12/1/05, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

>> iPhoto is too slow for the volume of photographs I work with
>
>One of my clients is using iPhoto for his image storage solution.
>To me, it seems horribly inefficient. It stores two full size files 
>of everything, plus a set of thumbnails, plus a data base directory.
>It also has a nasty habit of burying things several directories off 
>the root.
>Is this normal (IE, is Iphoto really this crappy)? or is he doing 
>something wrong?

It's normal - iPhoto is a sloppy piece of software aimed at people who
don;t know what the hell you're talking about WW. I use it for one thing
only: screensaver.




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Re: iPhoto question.........was: Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> > iPhoto is too slow for the volume of photographs I work with
> 
> One of my clients is using iPhoto for his image storage
solution. To
> me, it seems horribly inefficient. It stores two full size
files of
> everything, plus a set of thumbnails, plus a data base
directory. It
> also has a nasty habit of burying things several directories
off the
> root. Is this normal (IE, is Iphoto really this crappy)? or is
he doing
> something wrong?

That's simply the way it works. It's overly complicated, with
multiple redundancies. There's a reason for all the complexity
and redundancy, given that it's targeted at the consumer user
who knows little about the underpinnings of how it works but
will be seriously bent out of shape if they accidentally delete
a favorite picture. 

You should tell your client about iView Media Pro,
http://www.iview-multimedia.com . It is a much more capable
image catalog/archive keeper and has functionality which is much
more focused on the advanced amateur and professional user. 

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Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> My only concern about the Mini is the memory situation:
> Apparently, the RAM is not user upgradeable, which means
you'll need to pay an
> outrageous $425 to Apple for 1GB of RAM. Also, there's only
one slot, so the
> box maxes out at 1GB. Not a lot of room for expansion, which
really
> relegates this unit to more mundane tasks.

I'm currently doing my photography work on an iMac G4 1.25Ghz
with 1G RAM in it, same performance envelope as the Mac mini. No
problems whatever, although obviously not as fast as any of the
G5 systems. It's adequate for the level of business I'm
currently doing, will buy a faster system when it is warranted
by the productivity needs. 

Regards the memory: I'd wait just a little while for the third
party vendors to come on line with products for the Mac Mini. I
haven't seen the details yet, but I expect it takes standard RAM
components as long as they fit the form factor and power
requirements. Apple usually suggests factory service to install
RAM on "internal" slots due to the amount of disassembly requred
to reach the slot, but knowledgable users can usually learn how
to do it pretty easily. I'd buy one with either the minimum or
512M RAM in it (the 1G premium is a bit too high) and wait until
the third party products surface. You could always buy the RAM
from the third party market (I expect a 1G module to run about
$200 the way it does for iBook G4s) and then have an Apple tech
install it for $20 or so, saving a bundle over the
build-to-order price. 

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Re: OT - Mac Mini

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" 
Subject: Re: OT - Mac Mini


You like pain boy?


Me too 
You really must meet my wife..
William Robb

iPhoto question.........was: Re: OT - Mac Mini

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi"
Subject: Re: OT - Mac Mini


iPhoto is too slow for the volume of photographs I work with
One of my clients is using iPhoto for his image storage solution.
To me, it seems horribly inefficient. It stores two full size files 
of everything, plus a set of thumbnails, plus a data base directory.
It also has a nasty habit of burying things several directories off 
the root.
Is this normal (IE, is Iphoto really this crappy)? or is he doing 
something wrong?
Thanks

William Robb 

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Cotty]

On 12/1/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>"Notorious for not liking a diet of only 256Mb"? Well, I have
>Mac OS X 10.3.7 running on one old system (iMac 233Mhz) in 128M

Hey God,

You like pain boy?





Me too 




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Fwd: Re: OT - Mac Mini

[brooksdj]

I sent Cottys email to my buddy in town who's family runs a very successfull 
graphics
business. He's 
a Mac fanatic,as is the company,and has been trying to get me to convert. His 
reply is
below.

Dave  

Forwarded Message:
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: Rod Pipher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OT - Mac Mini
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:00:08 -0500
> -


> Sounds great to me. We've been looking at them. The price you see is 
> American. Cdn about $600.
> We will be replacing any of our older machines that go with these 
> units. It's time Dave. Mac rules
> 
> Rid
> 
> On 12-Jan-05, at 2:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Hey Rod
> >
> > Think this would be worth a look as an entry level Mac. Just add 
> > monitor and key board.
> > I read the write up,sounds impressive.
> > Might need a Ram upgrade though eh.
> >
> > See link below.
> > Dave

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Juan Buhler]

Thanks Godfrey. I suspected something like that, although as a long
time hack (not hacker, but hack :-), I just renamed the application.
I'll check what you suggest tonight.

j



On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:08:19 -0800 (PST), Godfrey DiGiorgi
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Juan,
> 
> You don't have to rename or disable iPhoto to have the system do
> something else. Run the Image Capture application and go to its
> preferences. You can set the system to auto-open iPhoto, Image
> Capture, any other application you desire, or do nothing.
> 
> iPhoto is too slow for the volume of photographs I work with and
> doesn't allow me to catalog off-line collections, but it's
> useful for occasional stuff and making quickie books. The new
> version looks very interesting. I've sent an enhancement request
> with a list of cameras I think they ought to support ... the
> *istDS first on that list, of course. ;-)
> 
> The Mac mini is about the same performance envelope as my
> current iMac 20". This is proving satisfactory for my current
> workflow and production requirements. The neat thing is that I
> could buy a Mac mini and a nice 23" Cinema display, keyboard and
> mouse, and then upgrade to a G5 tower when I need the additional
> power seamlessly, without having to reinvest in yet another
> monitor. Or my partner (currently running WinXP) can buy a Mac
> mini and have a solid Mac OS X workstation for only $600 or so
> while re-using his USB keyboard, mouse and nice DVI monitor.
> This is all upside!
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> --- Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > iPhoto is a bit of a dog though is you have thousands of
> > images. I
> > have it renamed to something else so it doesn't open every
> > time I
> > connect my memory card reader.
> 
> 
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Re: OT - Mac Mini

[pnstenquist]

I agree. For the money, you're better off with an I-Mac which has the G5 
processor, comes with a monitor and keyboard as well as additional ports, and 
can be fitted with up to 2 megs of RAM. A 1.8 gigahertz machine with a 17-inch 
moniotr is only $1499 with 256 meg of ram. You can buy an additional 1 gig of 
RAM from aftermarket suppliers for less than $200.

However, the G4 minimac will run PSCS just fine with that 1.4 gig processor and 
1 gig or RAM is plenty if you don't want to run other apps at the same time.

Paul


> 
> Dave... You won't have any problems using PS or any other Mac software you'd
> care to put on it. It's a regular Mac running Mac OS X, just like their
> other offerings.
> 
> My only concern about the Mini is the memory situation: Apparently, the RAM
> is not user upgradeable, which means you'll need to pay an outrageous $425
> to Apple for 1GB of RAM. Also, there's only one slot, so the box maxes out
> at 1GB. Not a lot of room for expansion, which really relegates this unit to
> more mundane tasks.
> 
> For a primary workstation, I think their other computers offer a better
> value.
> 
> Tim 
> 
> On 1/12/05 5:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Hi My name is Dave and i'm a windoze user.
> > 
> > I have been thinking of going to a Mac for a few weks now. I read the report
> > from Cotty's
> > link,so i am 
> > going to assume that it will run regular programs,like PS etc and is not 
> > just
> > a video
> > capture and video
> > editor.
> > For that kind of price it might be worth it to start into Mac computers. I
> > have an extra
> > monitor and a key
> > board.Only 2 usb slots,so i quess one of those hubs might be usfull.
> > 
> > Sorry for the question but i gots ta know.
> > 
> > Dave  
> > 
> >> On Jan 12, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Cotty wrote:
> >> 
> >>> PC users who would like a cheap Mac (maybe even 'in addition to' as
> >>> well
> >>> as 'instead of') could do worse than spending $499 on one of these. You
> >>> provide the screen, keyboard and mouse, and you get Mac OS X.
> >> 
> >> I wouldn't mind getting one to double as a quiet
> >> fileserver/webserver/router and dedicated RIP machine.
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately that would require spending money ;)
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> 
> >> - Dave (trying to quieten his current PC/Linux fileserver)
> >> 
> >> http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Tim Sherburne]

Dave... You won't have any problems using PS or any other Mac software you'd
care to put on it. It's a regular Mac running Mac OS X, just like their
other offerings.

My only concern about the Mini is the memory situation: Apparently, the RAM
is not user upgradeable, which means you'll need to pay an outrageous $425
to Apple for 1GB of RAM. Also, there's only one slot, so the box maxes out
at 1GB. Not a lot of room for expansion, which really relegates this unit to
more mundane tasks.

For a primary workstation, I think their other computers offer a better
value.

Tim 

On 1/12/05 5:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi My name is Dave and i'm a windoze user.
> 
> I have been thinking of going to a Mac for a few weks now. I read the report
> from Cotty's
> link,so i am 
> going to assume that it will run regular programs,like PS etc and is not just
> a video
> capture and video
> editor.
> For that kind of price it might be worth it to start into Mac computers. I
> have an extra
> monitor and a key
> board.Only 2 usb slots,so i quess one of those hubs might be usfull.
> 
> Sorry for the question but i gots ta know.
> 
> Dave  
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Cotty wrote:
>> 
>>> PC users who would like a cheap Mac (maybe even 'in addition to' as
>>> well
>>> as 'instead of') could do worse than spending $499 on one of these. You
>>> provide the screen, keyboard and mouse, and you get Mac OS X.
>> 
>> I wouldn't mind getting one to double as a quiet
>> fileserver/webserver/router and dedicated RIP machine.
>> 
>> Unfortunately that would require spending money ;)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> - Dave (trying to quieten his current PC/Linux fileserver)
>> 
>> http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

It's an Apple computer running Mac OS X, can do anything that an
iMac or  iBook (or any other Apple computer) can do. 

Hmm. I've posted a lot on this topic. I guess I'm really jazzed
about it! ;-)

Godfrey

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi My name is Dave and i'm a windoze user.
> 
> I have been thinking of going to a Mac for a few weks now. I
> read the report from Cotty's
> link,so i am 
> going to assume that it will run regular programs,like PS etc
> and is not just a video
> capture and video 
> editor.
> For that kind of price it might be worth it to start into Mac
> computers. I have an extra
> monitor and a key 
> board.Only 2 usb slots,so i quess one of those hubs might be
> usfull.
> 
> Sorry for the question but i gots ta know.
> 
> Dave  
> 



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Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> from the ad-blurb:
> > And yes, Mac mini will take advantage of your two-button USB
> mouse
> > with scroll-wheel and your favorite USB keyboard. Just plug
> them
> > in.
> 
> I like that the most ;-) did it take them long time!

Mac OS has had the drivers installed for nearly any USB keyboard
and multibutton mouse since Mac OS X shipped, if not earlier. 

Apple ships a one button mouse because a) the OS was designed to
be used easily that way and b) it's much easier for the majority
of novice users to learn. I use one, two+scroll wheel, and other
multibutton mouse devices depending upon what I'm trying to get
done. 

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Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> If you plan on using the mac mini for anything remotely
> substantial like perhaps browsing photos / playing DVDs...
you'd probably
> want to upgrade the memory to 512mb, or even 1 gb. Mac OSX is
> notorious for not liking a diet of only 256mb.

"Notorious for not liking a diet of only 256Mb"? Well, I have
Mac OS X 10.3.7 running on one old system (iMac 233Mhz) in 128M
... not quickly, but running reliably (its a background task
machine doing very simple duty as a local file server). 

I haven't had any problems with it, but I agree that if you want
to get any kind of heavy lifting done a 512M configuration is
the minimum I would use. A 1G memory module upgrade is about
$200 or so, well worth it. (Don't buy via the Apple build to
order configuration as their price is very high.)

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Re: OT - Mac Mini

[brooksdj]

Hi My name is Dave and i'm a windoze user.

I have been thinking of going to a Mac for a few weks now. I read the report 
from Cotty's
link,so i am 
going to assume that it will run regular programs,like PS etc and is not just a 
video
capture and video 
editor.
For that kind of price it might be worth it to start into Mac computers. I have 
an extra
monitor and a key 
board.Only 2 usb slots,so i quess one of those hubs might be usfull.

Sorry for the question but i gots ta know.

Dave  

> On Jan 12, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Cotty 
wrote:
> 
> > PC users who would like a cheap Mac (maybe even 'in addition to' as 
> > well
> > as 'instead of') could do worse than spending $499 on one of these. You
> > provide the screen, keyboard and mouse, and you get Mac OS X.
> 
> I wouldn't mind getting one to double as a quiet 
> fileserver/webserver/router and dedicated RIP machine.
> 
> Unfortunately that would require spending money ;)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - Dave (trying to quieten his current PC/Linux fileserver)
> 
> http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
> 

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Juan, 

You don't have to rename or disable iPhoto to have the system do
something else. Run the Image Capture application and go to its
preferences. You can set the system to auto-open iPhoto, Image
Capture, any other application you desire, or do nothing. 

iPhoto is too slow for the volume of photographs I work with and
doesn't allow me to catalog off-line collections, but it's
useful for occasional stuff and making quickie books. The new
version looks very interesting. I've sent an enhancement request
with a list of cameras I think they ought to support ... the
*istDS first on that list, of course. ;-)

The Mac mini is about the same performance envelope as my
current iMac 20". This is proving satisfactory for my current
workflow and production requirements. The neat thing is that I
could buy a Mac mini and a nice 23" Cinema display, keyboard and
mouse, and then upgrade to a G5 tower when I need the additional
power seamlessly, without having to reinvest in yet another
monitor. Or my partner (currently running WinXP) can buy a Mac
mini and have a solid Mac OS X workstation for only $600 or so
while re-using his USB keyboard, mouse and nice DVI monitor.
This is all upside!

Godfrey

--- Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> iPhoto is a bit of a dog though is you have thousands of
> images. I
> have it renamed to something else so it doesn't open every
> time I
> connect my memory card reader.




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Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Frantisek wrote:

> > And yes, Mac mini will take advantage of your two-button USB mouse
> > with scroll-wheel and your favorite USB keyboard. Just plug them
> > in.
> 
> I like that the most ;-) did it take them long time!
> 
Nah. It was possible in '99 iMac and PowerMac G3, so that's nothing new. I 
have used logitech USB mouse that way for 5 years with no problems at all 
:-)

-- 
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Sylwek

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Frantisek]

from the ad-blurb:
> And yes, Mac mini will take advantage of your two-button USB mouse
> with scroll-wheel and your favorite USB keyboard. Just plug them
> in.

I like that the most ;-) did it take them long time!

Good light!
   fra

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Cotty]

On 11/1/05, Peter J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Finally a Mac who's design you can love. 

Actually I think it looks dreadful but there you go. If this is Apple's
attempt to claw back a larger share of the home computer market, I'm in
two minds. The more people use Macs, the more bad eggs will write the
viruses, and one if the advantages of the platform will be soured. I have
been using since 1998 and have never had one virus attack any of my
computers. I can't imagine it any other way.




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Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Cotty]

On 11/1/05, Mishka, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Have you figured out how to mount pentax lenses on it yet?

LOL. Now Mishka, easy boy.




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Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Chan Yong Wei]

If you plan on using the mac mini for anything remotely substantial
like perhaps browsing photos / playing DVDs... you'd probably want to
upgrade the memory to 512mb, or even 1 gb. Mac OSX is notorious for
not liking a diet of only 256mb.

But I think Apple has really outdone itself this time; the mac mini is
a winner at its price level and market. The ipod shuffle (a small,
flash-based mp3 player) is another new product that will probably help
the company capture *even* more market share in the music player
arena.




On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:08:48 -0500, Doug Franklin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:36:51 +1300, David Mann wrote:
> 
> > - Dave (trying to quieten his current PC/Linux fileserver)
> 
> http://www.silenx.com
> 
> TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
> 
>

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Doug Franklin]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:36:51 +1300, David Mann wrote:

> - Dave (trying to quieten his current PC/Linux fileserver)

http://www.silenx.com

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[David Mann]

On Jan 12, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Cotty wrote:
PC users who would like a cheap Mac (maybe even 'in addition to' as 
well
as 'instead of') could do worse than spending $499 on one of these. You
provide the screen, keyboard and mouse, and you get Mac OS X.
I wouldn't mind getting one to double as a quiet 
fileserver/webserver/router and dedicated RIP machine.

Unfortunately that would require spending money ;)
Cheers,
- Dave (trying to quieten his current PC/Linux fileserver)
http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Tim Sherburne]

Good point... I think I'll get the 20D instead of waiting for Pentax to get
up to speed.  :)

On 1/11/05 16:03, Luigi de Guzman wrote:

> On Tuesday 11 January 2005 19:05, Tim Sherburne wrote:
>> An additional nugget in Apple's cornucopia of announcements is a
>> significant update to iPhoto including new editing tools (it's about time),
>> and video and RAW support. Unfortunately, Pentax isn't in the list of
>> supported cameras, yet.  :(
>> 
>> Tim
> 
> Why should they, when it's Canon that they sell alongside their computers?
> 
> -L
> 
> 
> 

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Peter J. Alling]

Finally a Mac who's design you can love. 

Cotty wrote:
PC users who would like a cheap Mac (maybe even 'in addition to' as well
as 'instead of') could do worse than spending $499 on one of these. You
provide the screen, keyboard and mouse, and you get Mac OS X.


Cheers,
 Cotty
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Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Luigi de Guzman]

On Tuesday 11 January 2005 19:05, Tim Sherburne wrote:
> An additional nugget in Apple's cornucopia of announcements is a
> significant update to iPhoto including new editing tools (it's about time),
> and video and RAW support. Unfortunately, Pentax isn't in the list of
> supported cameras, yet.  :(
>
> Tim

Why should they, when it's Canon that they sell alongside their computers?

-L

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Mishka]

Have you figured out how to mount pentax lenses on it yet?

best,
Mishka

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:22:58 +, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PC users who would like a cheap Mac (maybe even 'in addition to' as well
> as 'instead of') could do worse than spending $499 on one of these. You
> provide the screen, keyboard and mouse, and you get Mac OS X.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
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Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Juan Buhler]

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 23:22:58 +, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PC users who would like a cheap Mac (maybe even 'in addition to' as well
> as 'instead of') could do worse than spending $499 on one of these. You
> provide the screen, keyboard and mouse, and you get Mac OS X.
> 
> 

The last part of what Cotty says is the most important one. *You get
Mac OS X*  After using OS X you won't want to use anything else.
You'll find yourself getting things done with your computer, instead
of trying to get the computer to do what you want.

About the speed of the mini:  My main computer is a Powerbook, with a
1GHz G4 (the mini has a 1.4 GHz G4). It works perfectly with
everything I've thrown at it--Photoshop, Maya, editing video. I've had
it for over a year and don't feel at all the need for anything else.
(although a big cinema display would look great in my living room).

iPhoto is a bit of a dog though is you have thousands of images. I
have it renamed to something else so it doesn't open every time I
connect my memory card reader.

j


-- 
Juan Buhler
http://www.jbuhler.com
blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Tim Sherburne]

Also, if you want to bug Apple about the lack of Pentax RAW support in
iPhoto, send a message using their feedback page:



Tim

On 1/11/05 16:05, Tim Sherburne wrote:

> 
> An additional nugget in Apple's cornucopia of announcements is a significant
> update to iPhoto including new editing tools (it's about time), and video
> and RAW support. Unfortunately, Pentax isn't in the list of supported
> cameras, yet.  :(
> 
> Tim
> 
> On 1/11/05 15:22, Cotty wrote:
> 
>> PC users who would like a cheap Mac (maybe even 'in addition to' as well
>> as 'instead of') could do worse than spending $499 on one of these. You
>> provide the screen, keyboard and mouse, and you get Mac OS X.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Cotty
>> 
>> 
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>> ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
>> _
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Tim Sherburne]

An additional nugget in Apple's cornucopia of announcements is a significant
update to iPhoto including new editing tools (it's about time), and video
and RAW support. Unfortunately, Pentax isn't in the list of supported
cameras, yet.  :(

Tim

On 1/11/05 15:22, Cotty wrote:

> PC users who would like a cheap Mac (maybe even 'in addition to' as well
> as 'instead of') could do worse than spending $499 on one of these. You
> provide the screen, keyboard and mouse, and you get Mac OS X.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Cotty
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" 
Subject: OT - Mac Mini


<http://www.apple.com/macmini/>
That is really cool.
William Robb

Re: OT - Mac Mini

[Keith Whaley]

Cotty wrote:
PC users who would like a cheap Mac (maybe even 'in addition to' as well
as 'instead of') could do worse than spending $499 on one of these. You
provide the screen, keyboard and mouse, and you get Mac OS X.

Cheers,
  Cotty
I'm lookiing at it, Cotty...
Hmmm.
Very interesting!
keith

OT - Mac Mini

[Cotty]

PC users who would like a cheap Mac (maybe even 'in addition to' as well
as 'instead of') could do worse than spending $499 on one of these. You
provide the screen, keyboard and mouse, and you get Mac OS X.






Cheers,
  Cotty


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