Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
Speaking of which: http://www.designboom.com/art/cloaca-no-5-by-artist-wim-delvoye-in-montreal/ Cheers, frank Bill wrote: >On 14/10/2013 3:57 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: >> I think this is one link I'll pass on :-) > >Actually, it was quite funny, in a monkey throwing poo sort of way. > >bill > > >> >> ann >> >> On 10/14/2013 15:02, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found >>> this ... >>> >>> "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb >>> endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." >>> >>> http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ >>> >> “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
Yo, Dude, I TOTALLY get that! Cheers, frank Darren Addy wrote: >Speaking of what passes for art these days (121 million views on >YouTube) >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE > >Or, you may prefer the Bluegrass version: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brxVMvLSz8c > >On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Mark Roberts > wrote: >> Ann Sanfedele wrote: >> >>>I think this is one link I'll pass on :-) >> >> I think you might enjoy it, really. It's taking down a peg or two the >> kind of artists who deserve to be taken down a peg or two. This can >> only be better for those with real talent. >> >>>On 10/14/2013 15:02, Bruce Walker wrote: Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found >this ... "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to >absorb endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." >http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ >> >> >> -- >> Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia >> www.robertstech.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
I spent 3 hours in the Tate Modern trying to get modern Art. I did finally learn something of value: the restaurant on the 6th floor has excellent fish and chips and an unmatched view of London across the Thames. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... > > "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb > endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." > > http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
One effect that I notice over and over is what I call the "educated palate". Actually, a lot of other people do too. I've heard "smooth jazz" also referred to as "white wine jazz". It's something that is easily accessible, you don't have to study a lot about the subject to "get" it, and its an introduction to a field that goes much much deeper. And, there are a lot of people that once they've learned more about a subject, and developed a taste for things that they never would have liked when they started out, they realize that they no longer like the very thing that led them down that path in the first place. I've found that my tastes can be educated, but often only so much. I've gotten past the point of enjoying smooth jazz, but a lot of the avant garde stuff still sounds to me, as a friend described jazz, like two radios tuned to different stations. One of the beauties of the PDML, is that many of us are in that wonderful place where we can laugh at both the over done HDR, and the people that'll look for five minutes at a snapshot of someone sitting in a chair in a field. One of my favorite definitions is that an intellectual is someone who has been educated beyond their intelligence. It has been my impression that a lot of artists have gone right past an educated palate to an intellectual one. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
Den 14. okt. 2013 kl. 22:39 skrev Bob W : > >> On 14 Oct 2013, at 20:02, Bruce Walker wrote: >> >> Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... >> >> "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb >> endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." >> >> http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ > > It's perfectly OK not to 'get' Art - it's a difficult subject, and it takes > effort. I don't understand quantum physics, but if I wrote a blog mocking the > people who practise it, and those who make an effort to understand it, I'd be > a yahoo, making a public arse of myself. > > When there's something I don't get, which many other intelligent people > obviously do, then instead of retreating into the small-minded ignorance of > the Daily Mail reader or Fox News viewer I try to figure it out. > > If I've made a fair effort, as this chap claims to have done, and I still > don't get it, then I reconcile myself to my own ignorance rather than > flinging insults at it, and at them, like a gibbon flinging shit through the > bars of its cage. > > The very process of trying to understand difficult things can be its own > reward, and I find it very satisfying, even when I fail, because I always end > up better off than when I started. > > B > -- I agree complete (and I do know something about quantum mechanically :-). People don't study art for 5 years at universities to come back understanding nothing new. What i don't understand is why many demand that art should be easily understandable (and booring), and why they so much want to be call themselves artistist. It seldom make their pictures any better. More often it make them worse. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
Just put it in a frame and all is right with the world. -Original Message- >From: Mark Roberts >Subject: Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art" > >Bruce Walker wrote: > >>Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... >> >>"Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb >>endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." >> >>http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ > >You must never forget: Just because it's "art" doesn't mean it's >"good". > >Making art is easy. Making good art is difficult. > >-- >Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia >www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
On 10/14/2013 18:26, Bill wrote: On 14/10/2013 3:57 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I think this is one link I'll pass on :-) Actually, it was quite funny, in a monkey throwing poo sort of way. bill um, as I said ... ann ann On 10/14/2013 15:02, Bruce Walker wrote: Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
On 14 Oct 2013, at 23:36, Mark Roberts wrote: > > Ann Sanfedele wrote: > >> I think this is one link I'll pass on :-) > > I think you might enjoy it, really. It's taking down a peg or two the > kind of artists who deserve to be taken down a peg or two. This can > only be better for those with real talent. He doesn't discriminate, because by his own admission he doesn't know how to. He attacks an obvious and easy target without saying anything useful. It's lazy, boring, unoriginal and entirely without redeeming wit. You can read exactly this sort of 'naked Emperor' crap all the way back to at least the mid-19th century, and probably beyond, from people who don't get it, and decide to play to the gallery instead. B > >>> On 10/14/2013 15:02, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... >>> >>> "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb >>> endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." >>> >>> http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ > > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
Speaking of what passes for art these days (121 million views on YouTube) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE Or, you may prefer the Bluegrass version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brxVMvLSz8c On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Ann Sanfedele wrote: > >>I think this is one link I'll pass on :-) > > I think you might enjoy it, really. It's taking down a peg or two the > kind of artists who deserve to be taken down a peg or two. This can > only be better for those with real talent. > >>On 10/14/2013 15:02, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... >>> >>> "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb >>> endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." >>> >>> http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ > > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
Ann Sanfedele wrote: >I think this is one link I'll pass on :-) I think you might enjoy it, really. It's taking down a peg or two the kind of artists who deserve to be taken down a peg or two. This can only be better for those with real talent. >On 10/14/2013 15:02, Bruce Walker wrote: >> Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... >> >> "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb >> endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." >> >> http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
On 14/10/2013 3:57 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I think this is one link I'll pass on :-) Actually, it was quite funny, in a monkey throwing poo sort of way. bill ann On 10/14/2013 15:02, Bruce Walker wrote: Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
The Reith lectures start tomorrow, given this year by Grayson Perry, who is being interviewed on TV as I write. He talks very persuasively about this sort of thing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9 B > On 14 Oct 2013, at 22:11, Bruce Walker wrote: > > If I could figure out how to +1 or Like your response, Bob, I would. :) > > I'll just settle for ... > >> The very process of trying to understand difficult things can be its >> own reward, and I find it very satisfying, even when I fail, because >> I always end up better off than when I started. > > Mark! > > >> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Bob W wrote: >>> On 14 Oct 2013, at 20:02, Bruce Walker wrote: >>> >>> Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... >>> >>> "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb >>> endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." >>> >>> http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ >> >> It's perfectly OK not to 'get' Art - it's a difficult subject, and it takes >> effort. I don't understand quantum physics, but if I wrote a blog mocking >> the people who practise it, and those who make an effort to understand it, >> I'd be a yahoo, making a public arse of myself. >> >> When there's something I don't get, which many other intelligent people >> obviously do, then instead of retreating into the small-minded ignorance of >> the Daily Mail reader or Fox News viewer I try to figure it out. >> >> If I've made a fair effort, as this chap claims to have done, and I still >> don't get it, then I reconcile myself to my own ignorance rather than >> flinging insults at it, and at them, like a gibbon flinging shit through the >> bars of its cage. >> >> The very process of trying to understand difficult things can be its own >> reward, and I find it very satisfying, even when I fail, because I always >> end up better off than when I started. >> >> B >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
I think this is one link I'll pass on :-) ann On 10/14/2013 15:02, Bruce Walker wrote: Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
If I could figure out how to +1 or Like your response, Bob, I would. :) I'll just settle for ... > The very process of trying to understand difficult things can be its > own reward, and I find it very satisfying, even when I fail, because > I always end up better off than when I started. Mark! On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Bob W wrote: > On 14 Oct 2013, at 20:02, Bruce Walker wrote: >> >> Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... >> >> "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb >> endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." >> >> http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ >> > > It's perfectly OK not to 'get' Art - it's a difficult subject, and it takes > effort. I don't understand quantum physics, but if I wrote a blog mocking the > people who practise it, and those who make an effort to understand it, I'd be > a yahoo, making a public arse of myself. > > When there's something I don't get, which many other intelligent people > obviously do, then instead of retreating into the small-minded ignorance of > the Daily Mail reader or Fox News viewer I try to figure it out. > > If I've made a fair effort, as this chap claims to have done, and I still > don't get it, then I reconcile myself to my own ignorance rather than > flinging insults at it, and at them, like a gibbon flinging shit through the > bars of its cage. > > The very process of trying to understand difficult things can be its own > reward, and I find it very satisfying, even when I fail, because I always end > up better off than when I started. > > B > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
On 14 Oct 2013, at 20:02, Bruce Walker wrote: > > Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... > > "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb > endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." > > http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ > It's perfectly OK not to 'get' Art - it's a difficult subject, and it takes effort. I don't understand quantum physics, but if I wrote a blog mocking the people who practise it, and those who make an effort to understand it, I'd be a yahoo, making a public arse of myself. When there's something I don't get, which many other intelligent people obviously do, then instead of retreating into the small-minded ignorance of the Daily Mail reader or Fox News viewer I try to figure it out. If I've made a fair effort, as this chap claims to have done, and I still don't get it, then I reconcile myself to my own ignorance rather than flinging insults at it, and at them, like a gibbon flinging shit through the bars of its cage. The very process of trying to understand difficult things can be its own reward, and I find it very satisfying, even when I fail, because I always end up better off than when I started. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
Bruce Walker wrote: >Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... > >"Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb >endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." > >http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ You must never forget: Just because it's "art" doesn't mean it's "good". Making art is easy. Making good art is difficult. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
On 14/10/2013 1:02 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ He would do well here. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
Perhaps the author should find art that he can appreciate, and not glom onto certain art because of the social scene. On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... > > "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb > endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." > > http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 03:02:28PM -0400, Bruce Walker wrote: > Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... > > "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb > endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." > > http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ There are reasons that I consider myself a photographer, not an artist. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT "I just don't think I `get' art"
Spending [Canadian] Thanksgiving browsing the intertubes and found this ... "Sometimes I wish I possessed the requisite attention span to absorb endless amounts of totally pointless bullshit." http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/im-sick-of-pretending-i-dont-get-art/ -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
