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Heh? Genetically you are related to the cockroachs (basic DNA). Do you have a cockroach in your family tree? I doubt that you do. Genealogy is a very small subset of genetics, if it can actually be considered related at all. One is social science, the other is very basic biological science. Bob Walkden wrote: Hi, Monday, October 20, 2003, 2:52:54 AM, you wrote: I was speaking genealogically, not genetically. what's the difference? How can 2 people be related genetically and not be related genealogically, or vice versa? Of course every living thing on earth is genetically related, at least according to current theories. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
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- Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Genealogy is a very small subset of genetics, if it can actually be considered related at all. One is social science, the other is very basic biological science. Absolutely. Besides, genealogy generally follows family names. It makes no allowances for side affairs... OTOH, genealogy is in many cases a valuable tool for tracking eg. specific mutations. Jostein
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If you mean the Thordur Hermannsson born on the 21st of November 1955, then I'm afraid I don't know him, since he lives on the opposite side of the country. And I'm afraid we're not very related. Our nearest common ancestors are Thorarinn Jonsson (1630 - 1699) and Halldora Thorsteinsdottir (1630- ???) Thrainn In that case, I'll play ... Long, long ago (the late 1970s) in a galaxy far away (the island of Jamaica) I went to school with an Icelandic fellow named Thordur Hermannsson (whose name I am no doubt misspelling) and his two sisters. Do you know them? E.R.N. Reed
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Alas, I really doubt I will have the time to put together a web page, since I've never seem to get around to it, despite (?) working with computers day in and day out. But I will keep trying. However, I have seen the PUG and may well contribute to it. I won't make the November PUG, but I'm pretty sure I'll send something into the December PUG. BTW, I was mistaken about the 6 or 7 generations below. I understand it takes 10 generations for the whole nation to be interrelated. Thrainn On Monday 20 October 2003 08:03, Jostein wrote: Quoting Thrainn Vigfusson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You have to go back 6 or 7 generations for my whole nation to be interrelated. I don't know haw far you have to go for the whole of earth's population though. :-) I was just thinking of Iceland. The world in total is a bit more tricky indeed. If you have a chance to get some of your shots scanned, I for one would love to see some pictures from your country on the web. The list has its own gallery that you can submit to too. it's at: http://pug.komkon.org Cheers, Jostein - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/
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If anyone on the list plans to visit Iceland, I will be more than happy to help them plan their trip and to book vehicles and lodgings. Thrainn On Monday 20 October 2003 09:11, Bob Walkden wrote: Hi, Monday, October 20, 2003, 9:03:34 AM, you wrote: :-) I was just thinking of Iceland. The world in total is a bit more tricky indeed. If you have a chance to get some of your shots scanned, I for one would love to see some pictures from your country on the web. I agree! I'm one of the many people I know who have Iceland close to the top of their list of countries to visit very soon.
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On 20 Oct 2003 at 18:50, Thrainn Vigfusson wrote: If you mean the Thordur Hermannsson born on the 21st of November 1955, then I'm afraid I don't know him, since he lives on the opposite side of the country. And I'm afraid we're not very related. Our nearest common ancestors are Thorarinn Jonsson (1630 - 1699) and Halldora Thorsteinsdottir (1630- ???) Touché ;-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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You have to go back 6 or 7 generations for my whole nation to be interrelated. I don't know haw far you have to go for the whole of earth's population though. Thrainn On Sunday 19 October 2003 20:44, Jostein wrote: Hi, Thrainn. I completely forgot my manners here. Heartily welcome to the list. As you haev already noticed, off-topic issues are plentiful and benign on this list. :-) Your notes about genealogy brings a smile on my face. Norway's population is about 20 times yours, and it's still pretty common to get those do you know..., based on who you are, where your family is from etc. Iceland probably has the most complete population genealogy of all nations... -Just one little q, out of curiosity; how many generations do you need to go back before the whole of today's population is interrelated? :-) Jostein - Pictures at: http://oksne.net - - Original Message - From: Thrainn Vigfusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:11 PM Subject: OT Re: New to the list I thought you might be joking, but it's not often I get the chance to tell people I saw Bjork shopping, since everybody here has also seen her. We get a lot of ...then you must know... questions here, mainly because the whole nation is interested in genealogy. When you tell people who you are or where you live, you can expect answers like My wife's cousin's husband's great aunt used to live there in the fifties. Maybe you've heard about her. BTW, I wasn't joking about the interest in genealogy. The family trees of the entire nation (since about 1650) are available on the web. In a few seconds, you can find out how you are related to anybody. On Sunday 19 October 2003 02:11, frank theriault wrote: Hi, again, Gee, Thrainn. I was only joking. Not about Bjork being smokin', which she is, but about whether you knew her. I knew Iceland was a small place, I didn't know it's that small. And, I know how to spell Icelandic, BTW (that was a type in the earlier post). It's funny, but you saying that you've seen Bjork shopping, and mentioning how small your country's population is, reminds me of an ongoing Canadian joke about Americans. It seems that almost every Canadian I know tells a story of visiting the US, and when the Americans find out we're from Canada, they'll say Oh, I have a cousin in Vancouver, maybe you've met them. Of course the answer is: Well, there are 35 million Canadians, and Vancouver is 4,000 miles from Toronto, so no I haven't met your cousins. Enough rambling. I've got to cut down on my off-topic ramblings anyway... vbg cheers, frank
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Yes, I always hear these little number games. Actually, since there always has been an immense amount of inbreding in human populations the number game is meaningless. I have many thousands of ancestors, but not billions, or even millions, and am certainly not related to everybody in the world even indirectly. This number game is the same arithmetic that says you can never hit the wall you are driving toward at 100kph. You need to use a calculus not arithmetic for these kinds of problems. In a small population like Iceland maybe most of the people whose families have lived there for several hundred years are interrelated, but 6 generations give 512 ancestors. However many of those 512 ancestors can be the same person, if just 2 of your ancestors were related then there you only have 256 possible ancestors in 6 generations. In all likelihood in a population as small as Iceland many of ones ancestors were cousins, maybe only 5th or 6th cousins but that reduces the number of ancestors in ones family tree drastically. Thrainn Vigfusson wrote: You have to go back 6 or 7 generations for my whole nation to be interrelated. I don't know haw far you have to go for the whole of earth's population though. Thrainn On Sunday 19 October 2003 20:44, Jostein wrote: Hi, Thrainn. I completely forgot my manners here. Heartily welcome to the list. As you haev already noticed, off-topic issues are plentiful and benign on this list. :-) Your notes about genealogy brings a smile on my face. Norway's population is about 20 times yours, and it's still pretty common to get those do you know..., based on who you are, where your family is from etc. Iceland probably has the most complete population genealogy of all nations... -Just one little q, out of curiosity; how many generations do you need to go back before the whole of today's population is interrelated? :-) Jostein - Pictures at: http://oksne.net - - Original Message - From: Thrainn Vigfusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 10:11 PM Subject: OT Re: New to the list I thought you might be joking, but it's not often I get the chance to tell people I saw Bjork shopping, since everybody here has also seen her. We get a lot of ...then you must know... questions here, mainly because the whole nation is interested in genealogy. When you tell people who you are or where you live, you can expect answers like My wife's cousin's husband's great aunt used to live there in the fifties. Maybe you've heard about her. BTW, I wasn't joking about the interest in genealogy. The family trees of the entire nation (since about 1650) are available on the web. In a few seconds, you can find out how you are related to anybody. On Sunday 19 October 2003 02:11, frank theriault wrote: Hi, again, Gee, Thrainn. I was only joking. Not about Bjork being smokin', which she is, but about whether you knew her. I knew Iceland was a small place, I didn't know it's that small. And, I know how to spell Icelandic, BTW (that was a type in the earlier post). It's funny, but you saying that you've seen Bjork shopping, and mentioning how small your country's population is, reminds me of an ongoing Canadian joke about Americans. It seems that almost every Canadian I know tells a story of visiting the US, and when the Americans find out we're from Canada, they'll say Oh, I have a cousin in Vancouver, maybe you've met them. Of course the answer is: Well, there are 35 million Canadians, and Vancouver is 4,000 miles from Toronto, so no I haven't met your cousins. Enough rambling. I've got to cut down on my off-topic ramblings anyway... vbg cheers, frank -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
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Hi, Sunday, October 19, 2003, 11:44:33 PM, you wrote: You have to go back 6 or 7 generations for my whole nation to be interrelated. I don't know haw far you have to go for the whole of earth's population though. Thrainn Mitochondrial 'Eve' lived about 150,000 years ago. That is about 6,000 generations ago. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Monday, October 20, 2003, 12:20:30 AM, you wrote: I have many thousands of ancestors, but not billions, or even millions, and am certainly not related to everybody in the world even indirectly. [...] congratulations, you must be a different species to the rest of us. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've long had my suspicions about Thomas (before I hit send, I'd better check to make sure I've got Rittenhouse in my crosshairs this time! g). cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT Re: New to the list Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:40:27 +0100 congratulations, you must be a different species to the rest of us. -- Cheers, Bobmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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I already knew that. BR From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] congratulations, you must be a different species to the rest of us.
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Thrainn Vigfusson posted: I thought you might be joking, but it's not often I get the chance to tell people I saw Bjork shopping, since everybody here has also seen her. We get a lot of ...then you must know... questions here, mainly because the whole nation is interested in genealogy. When you tell people who you are or where you live, you can expect answers like My wife's cousin's husband's great aunt used to live there in the fifties. Maybe you've heard about her. BTW, I wasn't joking about the interest in genealogy. The family trees of the entire nation (since about 1650) are available on the web. In a few seconds, you can find out how you are related to anybody. In that case, I'll play ... Long, long ago (the late 1970s) in a galaxy far away (the island of Jamaica) I went to school with an Icelandic fellow named Thordur Hermannsson (whose name I am no doubt misspelling) and his two sisters. Do you know them? E.R.N. Reed
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I was speaking genealogically, not genetically. Of course every living thing on earth is genetically related, at least according to current theories. Bob Walkden wrote: Hi, Monday, October 20, 2003, 12:20:30 AM, you wrote: I have many thousands of ancestors, but not billions, or even millions, and am certainly not related to everybody in the world even indirectly. [...] congratulations, you must be a different species to the rest of us. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway.
