Re: Open source RAW software
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Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
Bran Everseeking wrote: what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? Every camera brand and often every camera model has its own type of RAW -- 20 years from now all software can open DNG but probably not all RAW, certainly not of brands that existed in the past..) Greetz, Jos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
You can convert PEF to DNG after the fact, if that ever happens. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Jos from Holland jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote: Bran Everseeking wrote: what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? Every camera brand and often every camera model has its own type of RAW -- 20 years from now all software can open DNG but probably not all RAW, certainly not of brands that existed in the past..) Greetz, Jos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
Hi Fernando, Don't you need then SW that understands PEF (of the specific camera)???' Fernando wrote: You can convert PEF to DNG after the fact, if that ever happens. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Jos from Holland jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote: Bran Everseeking wrote: what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? Every camera brand and often every camera model has its own type of RAW -- 20 years from now all software can open DNG but probably not all RAW, certainly not of brands that existed in the past..) Greetz, Jos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
Hi Jos, You have that with Pentax converter, and probably some other from Adobe. You will probably always have some piece of software available from Pentax to do this. My problem with DNG is that my prefered raw converter (Capture One) doesn't work with it, DNG files are larger, I don't care for Adobe's converter, and all converters that I like (Capture One and Silkypix) work with PEF, particularly for me all that outweights the benefits of storing files in DNG in prevention for the hypothetical case of a future were you cannot open Pentax raw format. I take that risk, I guess worst case scenario in twenty years I'll be running a script to convert all my images while you are using them directly ;-) Cheers On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Jos from Holland jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote: Hi Fernando, Don't you need then SW that understands PEF (of the specific camera)???' Fernando wrote: You can convert PEF to DNG after the fact, if that ever happens. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Jos from Holland jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote: Bran Everseeking wrote: what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? Every camera brand and often every camera model has its own type of RAW -- 20 years from now all software can open DNG but probably not all RAW, certainly not of brands that existed in the past..) Greetz, Jos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Fernando fer.p...@gmail.com wrote: My problem with DNG is that my prefered raw converter (Capture One) doesn't work with it Also, for the record, Bibble doesn't either. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
Okay, I will ask my grandson to contact you 50 years from now if he does not get his grandfathers files open! Greetz Jos Fernando wrote: Hi Jos, You have that with Pentax converter, and probably some other from Adobe. You will probably always have some piece of software available from Pentax to do this. My problem with DNG is that my prefered raw converter (Capture One) doesn't work with it, DNG files are larger, I don't care for Adobe's converter, and all converters that I like (Capture One and Silkypix) work with PEF, particularly for me all that outweights the benefits of storing files in DNG in prevention for the hypothetical case of a future were you cannot open Pentax raw format. I take that risk, I guess worst case scenario in twenty years I'll be running a script to convert all my images while you are using them directly ;-) Cheers On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Jos from Holland jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote: Hi Fernando, Don't you need then SW that understands PEF (of the specific camera)???' Fernando wrote: You can convert PEF to DNG after the fact, if that ever happens. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Jos from Holland jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote: Bran Everseeking wrote: what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? Every camera brand and often every camera model has its own type of RAW -- 20 years from now all software can open DNG but probably not all RAW, certainly not of brands that existed in the past..) Greetz, Jos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
Touche. With my last breath I will press enter to run that a script right before I die ;-) On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Jos from Holland jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote: Okay, I will ask my grandson to contact you 50 years from now if he does not get his grandfathers files open! Greetz Jos Fernando wrote: Hi Jos, You have that with Pentax converter, and probably some other from Adobe. You will probably always have some piece of software available from Pentax to do this. My problem with DNG is that my prefered raw converter (Capture One) doesn't work with it, DNG files are larger, I don't care for Adobe's converter, and all converters that I like (Capture One and Silkypix) work with PEF, particularly for me all that outweights the benefits of storing files in DNG in prevention for the hypothetical case of a future were you cannot open Pentax raw format. I take that risk, I guess worst case scenario in twenty years I'll be running a script to convert all my images while you are using them directly ;-) Cheers On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Jos from Holland jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote: Hi Fernando, Don't you need then SW that understands PEF (of the specific camera)???' Fernando wrote: You can convert PEF to DNG after the fact, if that ever happens. On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Jos from Holland jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote: Bran Everseeking wrote: what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? Every camera brand and often every camera model has its own type of RAW -- 20 years from now all software can open DNG but probably not all RAW, certainly not of brands that existed in the past..) Greetz, Jos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Open source RAW software
What are my options for photo-processing software? No Windows machines in the house. Linux only. I might install Windows on a virtual machine for certain games, but I wouldn't dream of using it for anything else. No shortage of computing power or RAM, some skill configuring things if needed. Linux includes GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program). I've heard a number of people grumble about various aspects of that. Anyone here use it? The obvious thing to start with is Google's Picasa since there's a Linux version of that. What else is available? -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Open source RAW software
Sandy Harris wrote: What are my options for photo-processing software? No Windows machines in the house. Linux only. I might install Windows on a virtual machine for certain games, but I wouldn't dream of using it for anything else. No shortage of computing power or RAM, some skill configuring things if needed. Linux includes GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program). I've heard a number of people grumble about various aspects of that. Anyone here use it? The obvious thing to start with is Google's Picasa since there's a Linux version of that. What else is available? Have a look at www.raw-converter.com (specifically http://www.raw-converter.com/en/index.php?id=84) Bibble seems to have a Linux version. I think Breeze Browser does, too. There seem to be other options as well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Open source RAW software
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Sandy Harris sandyinch...@gmail.com wrote: What are my options for photo-processing software? No Windows machines in the house. Linux only. Check out Cinepaint. It's an early fork from the GIMP that has evolved in a slightly different direction, but you might find it interesting. http://www.cinepaint.org/ -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Open source RAW software
Sorry, my first reply missed the Open Source bit... Have a look at http://www.digikam.org/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Open source RAW software
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Sandy Harris sandyinch...@gmail.com wrote: What are my options for photo-processing software? No Windows machines in the house. Linux only. Check out Cinepaint. It's an early fork from the GIMP that has evolved in a slightly different direction, but you might find it interesting. http://www.cinepaint.org/ And Lightzone for Linux. It's very nice, but it's not Free. http://www.lightcrafts.com/linux/ -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Open source RAW software
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Mark Roberts msrobert...@ysu.edu wrote: Sorry, my first reply missed the Open Source bit... Have a look at http://www.digikam.org/ Sorry. I'm not reading well this morning, either. I'm not entirely sure that Cinepaint will open PEF files. Lightzone most definitely will open a PEF - I've tried with a K10D and a K100D, but not a K20D. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Open source RAW software
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 21:17:08 +0800 Sandy Harris sandyinch...@gmail.com wrote: What are my options for photo-processing software? No Windows machines in the house. Linux only. hi, the following three are raw converters with fairly good image processing features. i have been using digikam with pef files for quite sometime now and is my personal pick but of course ymmv... digikam: http://www.digikam.org rawtherapee: http://www.rawtherapee.com ufraw: http://ufraw.sf.net you can also compile ufraw with a plugin for gimp which would enable you to open pef files from gimp... of course, as others have pointed out, commercial programmes like lightzone and bibble have linux versions though i haven't used any of them personally... regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Open source RAW software
Just re-installed windows to use photoshop, at least to compare it with gimp. Not happy with that, at all. Gimp is not that bad program, but the setup I have can't work with 16 bits per channel images... so there goes a lot of image detail. Didn't bother looking for a different version, so maybe this issue is past. I'd like very much to entirely replace windows in my systems, and will try again installing photoshop under linux using wine - my first attempt was a failure. I'll be watching the thread too, and trying any ideas presented. Wine is available at http://www.winehq.org, and has helped me a lot. LF Sandy Harris escreveu: What are my options for photo-processing software? No Windows machines in the house. Linux only. I might install Windows on a virtual machine for certain games, but I wouldn't dream of using it for anything else. No shortage of computing power or RAM, some skill configuring things if needed. Linux includes GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program). I've heard a number of people grumble about various aspects of that. Anyone here use it? The obvious thing to start with is Google's Picasa since there's a Linux version of that. What else is available? -- Luiz Felipe luiz.felipe at techmit.com.br http://techmit.com.br/luizfelipe/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Open source RAW software
On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:24:21 -0300 Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: Gimp is not that bad program, but the setup I have can't work with 16 bits per channel images... so there goes a lot of image detail. Didn't bother looking for a different version, so maybe this issue is past. Luiz, both Cinepaint (no raw converter capability or plugins) and digikam support 16 bits per channel. regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Open source RAW software
Hi, Opensource - cfraw and ufraw are used as motors or standalone programs for raw conversion in linux. Ufraw I think is also interfaced to gimp. For 16 bit photo editin Krita is available, in the koffice, though not as comptent as gimp. Ronald -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry cfraw is dcraw. Cheers -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Open source RAW software
On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:17:08 +0800 Sandy Harris sandyinch...@gmail.com wrote: What else is available? there are a couple raw handling packages out there. I use showfoto/digikam for most handling and editing as it handles greater colour depth. I use gimp for heavier manipulation if it comes up. I use the dcraw and gimp-dcraw utility plugin combo for raw. I also have ImageMagick installed and mean to try it some day. what Linix do you use? If Ubuntu these are all in the repositories. Bran -- Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition.- Robert Heinlein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:39:56 -0400 Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry. I'm not reading well this morning, either. I'm not entirely sure that Cinepaint will open PEF files. Lightzone most definitely will open a PEF - I've tried with a K10D and a K100D, but not a K20D. what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? -- Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition.- Robert Heinlein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
size On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Bran Everseeking bran.everseek...@sasktel.net wrote: On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:39:56 -0400 Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry. I'm not reading well this morning, either. I'm not entirely sure that Cinepaint will open PEF files. Lightzone most definitely will open a PEF - I've tried with a K10D and a K100D, but not a K20D. what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? -- Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition.- Robert Heinlein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Open source RAW software
On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:24:21 -0300 Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: Gimp is not that bad program, but the setup I have can't work with 16 bits per channel images... so there goes a lot of image detail. Didn't bother looking for a different version, so maybe this issue is past. colour depth is going to be resolved soon. it is a target for the next full version release which is expected to be released this year as I understand. -- Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own... Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition.- Robert Heinlein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Open source RAW software
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 09:17:08PM +0800, Sandy Harris scripsit: Linux includes GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program). I've heard a number of people grumble about various aspects of that. Anyone here use it? The main grumbles are UI and that it does not support greater than 8 bit colour depth. If you are producing images for the web -- jpegs -- you're stuck with 8 bit at best anyway, so that's not a problem. If you're going to print, that is a problem, so you use something else. The something elses include CinePaint (a fork of the GIMP), digikam, and presumably some stuff I am not familiar with. I rather like the thing; there's a learning curve, as there would be for anything complex, but it's not difficult to use. Hugin for panorama stitching and the unfortunately named qtpfsgui for HDR. (You can use CinePaint for HDR as well.) The obvious thing to start with is Google's Picasa since there's a Linux version of that. What else is available? The ur-RAW processor is dcraw, Dave Coffin's RAW; it's purely command line. ufraw, Unidentified Flying RAW, is a graphical front end for dcraw. My preference is ufraw for the majority of processing (white balance, black point, saturation curves, colour...) and GIMP (or CinePaint if I expect to print) for scaling, rotation, and individual colour channel tweaking. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Open source RAW software
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 08:05:57PM +0530, Subash scripsit: On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:24:21 -0300 Luiz Felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br wrote: Gimp is not that bad program, but the setup I have can't work with 16 bits per channel images... so there goes a lot of image detail. Didn't bother looking for a different version, so maybe this issue is past. Nope, still a GIMP issue. It's not something the primary dev team seems to consider a priority, though there are signs they're going for arbitrary bit depth innards in the future. Luiz, both Cinepaint (no raw converter capability or plugins) and Ufraw plugins for CinePaint ship standard with most mainstream distros. You double-click the raw image, you get ufraw opening, and then you feed that (however adjusted) into CinePaint. digikam support 16 bits per channel. And might be a less troubling interface than CinePaint if you're chiefly used to Windows apps. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Open source RAW software
On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:23 -0400, Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 09:17:08PM +0800, Sandy Harris scripsit: What else is available? The ur-RAW processor is dcraw, Dave Coffin's RAW; it's purely command line. ufraw, Unidentified Flying RAW, is a graphical front end for dcraw. My preference is ufraw for the majority of processing (white balance, black point, saturation curves, colour...) and GIMP (or CinePaint if I expect to print) for scaling, rotation, and individual colour channel tweaking. I think others have mentioned it but Raw Therapee is developing into a very nice RAW processor for Windows and Linux. I find it very intuitive and easier to use that UF Raw. Worth a look if you haven't seen it. http://www.rawtherapee.com/ Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: dng vs pef wasRe: Open source RAW software
From: Bran Everseeking n Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:39:56 -0400 Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry. I'm not reading well this morning, either. I'm not entirely sure that Cinepaint will open PEF files. Lightzone most definitely will open a PEF - I've tried with a K10D and a K100D, but not a K20D. what are the benefits and drawbacks of pef vs dng? PEF is Pentax's native raw file format. DNG is an open raw file format from Adobe. Pentax offers the option to use either for your raw file format with the K10D K20D. Samsung (which co-developed the K10D K20D with Pentax offered only DNG as their raw format). The main benefit is flexibility. You can do whichever you want. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
