Re: PAW PESO - Sunken Houseboat (Link to Color Version)

2005-04-23 Thread frank theriault
On 4/11/05, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Here's the original color shot:
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/houseboat-color.html



I like the b&w shot.  I think it's more the subject matter than
anything else.  B&W just gives it all an air of mystery.  Maybe it's
evocative of another time or something.

I now know from the colour version that what I thought was a plain
between the foreground and the mountains is water.  

cheers,
frank

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Re: PAW PESO - Sunken Houseboat (Link to Color Version)

2005-04-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Joe,

You're my man!  I am, and always have been, drawn to old, worn, damaged,
decrepit objects and scenes.  There's something within me that draws me to
them.  One of my fantasies is to live in a small, old house that's badly in
need of paint out in some rural area, and drive a 1960 Dodge PowerWagon
pickup into town to get groceries 

Now that the brakes are repaired on my 20 year old sedan, it's about time
to go back to the marina ;-))

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Joseph Tainter 

> I am a sucker for ruin and desolation. (What do you expect? I'm an 
> archaeologist.) So I enjoyed the chair and the houseboat very much, 
> Shel. The latter was much better in grayscale. A foggy or rainy day 
> would have improved it even more. A rotting beached whale would have 
> been icing on the cake.




Re: PAW PESO - Sunken Houseboat (Link to Color Version)

2005-04-11 Thread Joseph Tainter
I am a sucker for ruin and desolation. (What do you expect? I'm an 
archaeologist.) So I enjoyed the chair and the houseboat very much, 
Shel. The latter was much better in grayscale. A foggy or rainy day 
would have improved it even more. A rotting beached whale would have 
been icing on the cake.

I might have been tempted to crop off about half of the sky. To my eye 
it doesn't add.

Joe


Re: PAW PESO - Sunken Houseboat (Link to Color Version)

2005-04-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Actually, the location was by the bay, not the sea ;-)) therefore your
opinion doesn't count 

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> See Shel, I'm not the only one who got this from your colour version.
>
> Clever pun I accidently made there, See Shel by the sea side.




Re: PAW PESO - Sunken Houseboat (Link to Color Version)

2005-04-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff


While I don't think the B&W version is that great, the color in this shot
really annoys me.  There's just something about it that's disharmonious and
jarring to my sensibilities.  However, I'm pleased that some seem to like
it ;-))  I find the B&W much more moody and evocative.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Hi Paul,
> > 
> > Here's the original color shot:
> > 
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/houseboat-color.html
> > 
> > I think it's obvious that the color didn't quite work here
>
> I disagree. For me this is much more tolerable, it addresses the
criticism I
> made about the excess empty space, now with the blues it really seems to
be more
> a mood setting thing and the additional foreground works as a good
element of
> the pic for me.




Re: PAW PESO - Sunken Houseboat (Link to Color Version)

2005-04-11 Thread williamsp
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> The color lends a sense of peace and
> tranquility that's missing in the BW.

See Shel, I'm not the only one who got this from your colour version.

Clever pun I accidently made there, See Shel by the sea side.



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Re: PAW PESO - Sunken Houseboat (Link to Color Version)

2005-04-11 Thread williamsp
Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi Paul,
> 
> Here's the original color shot:
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/houseboat-color.html
> 
> I think it's obvious that the color didn't quite work here

I disagree. For me this is much more tolerable, it addresses the criticism I
made about the excess empty space, now with the blues it really seems to be more
a mood setting thing and the additional foreground works as a good element of
the pic for me.




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Re: PAW PESO - Sunken Houseboat (Link to Color Version)

2005-04-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
  No accounting for our preferences, eh Rick.  It's nice that you
like it as it gives me thought to try to make something better of it. 
Thanks!

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Rick Womer 

> I like the color version a lot more, too.

> > > Here's the original color shot:

> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/houseboat-color.html




Re: PAW PESO - Sunken Houseboat (Link to Color Version)

2005-04-11 Thread Rick Womer
I like the color version a lot more, too.

Rick

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I find the color version more interesting, although
> it leaves me wishing you could find an angle where
> the waterbreak didn't intersect the boat. However,
> it appears that might be impossible unless you find
> a much higher camera position. In any case, I like
> the shot. The color lends a sense of peace and
> tranquility that's missing in the BW. It would
> probably be even nicer with the ball going down,
> although you might need a tripod.
> Paul
> 
> 
> > Hi Paul,
> > 
> > Here's the original color shot:
> > 
> >
>
http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/houseboat-color.html
> > 
> > I think it's obvious that the color didn't quite
> work here - different
> > light, different film, a different lens may have
> made it work better, or,
> > of course, it could have been adjusted in PS.
> > 
> > The plug-in from The Imaging Factory has some very
> nice features, however,
> > I wouldn't want to have that as the only source
> for B&W conversion.  There
> > are so many other options, but, AFAIC, it's a
> definite keeper and well
> > worth the download and free trial.  Buying it is
> spendy, and it may not be
> > worth the money to some, although I think I'm
> going to pop for it when the
> > free trial expires.
> > 
> > Shel 
> > 
> > 
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Paul Stenquist 
> > 
> > > Another nice conversion. I'm going to have to
> get that plug-in. 
> > > Interesting shot as well. It would be
> interesting to try this again, 
> > > perhaps with longer lenses. I also wonder what
> it might look like in 
> > > color. With good light, color might be excellent
> here.
> > 
> > > On Apr 10, 2005, at 10:51 PM, Shel Belinkoff
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > >
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/houseboat.html
> > 
> > 
> 
> 



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Re: PAW PESO - Sunken Houseboat (Link to Color Version)

2005-04-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hmmm ... the color just doesn't grab me that much, at least in this
rendition, although it does look better surrounded in black and "framed" as
compared to the grey background with no frame in Photoshop.  I'll be going
back at some point and see what other possibilities there are at the old
marina.  Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I find the color version more interesting, although it leaves me wishing
you could find an angle where the waterbreak didn't intersect the boat.
However, it appears that might be impossible unless you find a much higher
camera position. In any case, I like the shot. The color lends a sense of
peace and tranquility that's missing in the BW. It would probably be even
nicer with the ball going down, although you might need a tripod.
> Paul
>
>
> > Hi Paul,
> > 
> > Here's the original color shot:
> > 
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/houseboat-color.html





Re: PAW PESO - Sunken Houseboat (Link to Color Version)

2005-04-11 Thread pnstenquist
I find the color version more interesting, although it leaves me wishing you 
could find an angle where the waterbreak didn't intersect the boat. However, it 
appears that might be impossible unless you find a much higher camera position. 
In any case, I like the shot. The color lends a sense of peace and tranquility 
that's missing in the BW. It would probably be even nicer with the ball going 
down, although you might need a tripod.
Paul


> Hi Paul,
> 
> Here's the original color shot:
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/houseboat-color.html
> 
> I think it's obvious that the color didn't quite work here - different
> light, different film, a different lens may have made it work better, or,
> of course, it could have been adjusted in PS.
> 
> The plug-in from The Imaging Factory has some very nice features, however,
> I wouldn't want to have that as the only source for B&W conversion.  There
> are so many other options, but, AFAIC, it's a definite keeper and well
> worth the download and free trial.  Buying it is spendy, and it may not be
> worth the money to some, although I think I'm going to pop for it when the
> free trial expires.
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Paul Stenquist 
> 
> > Another nice conversion. I'm going to have to get that plug-in. 
> > Interesting shot as well. It would be interesting to try this again, 
> > perhaps with longer lenses. I also wonder what it might look like in 
> > color. With good light, color might be excellent here.
> 
> > On Apr 10, 2005, at 10:51 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> 
> > > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/houseboat.html
> 
> 



Re: PAW PESO - Sunken Houseboat (Link to Color Version)

2005-04-11 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Paul,

Here's the original color shot:

http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/houseboat-color.html

I think it's obvious that the color didn't quite work here - different
light, different film, a different lens may have made it work better, or,
of course, it could have been adjusted in PS.

The plug-in from The Imaging Factory has some very nice features, however,
I wouldn't want to have that as the only source for B&W conversion.  There
are so many other options, but, AFAIC, it's a definite keeper and well
worth the download and free trial.  Buying it is spendy, and it may not be
worth the money to some, although I think I'm going to pop for it when the
free trial expires.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Stenquist 

> Another nice conversion. I'm going to have to get that plug-in. 
> Interesting shot as well. It would be interesting to try this again, 
> perhaps with longer lenses. I also wonder what it might look like in 
> color. With good light, color might be excellent here.

> On Apr 10, 2005, at 10:51 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


> > http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/houseboat.html