Re: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions
>Boris Liberman wrote: > >>I agree with Cotty. On 25/3/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: > >Quite possibly the first time those four words have ever been used >together in the same sentence. I agree with Mark. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions
You poor, poor man.
On 3/25/2010 1:35 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
I agree with Cotty.
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Cotty wrote:
On 23/3/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038850
I agree with your preference. Good job.
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Re: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions
MARK! On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Boris Liberman wrote: > >>I agree with Cotty. > > Quite possibly the first time those four words have ever been used > together in the same sentence. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions
Boris Liberman wrote: >I agree with Cotty. Quite possibly the first time those four words have ever been used together in the same sentence. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions
I agree with Cotty. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Cotty wrote: > On 23/3/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038850 > > I agree with your preference. Good job. > > -- > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > -- http://www.cottysnaps.com > _ > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions
On 23/3/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: >http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038850 I agree with your preference. Good job. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions
Either the first or second look fine to me. The crop looks a bit to tight. The B&W looks interesting, but out of place. Dave On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:03 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > My nature photography group is having an exhibition, and I'm considering > this image for the show. Four slightly different versions of the same image. > This was my second outing with the K20D and is also an example of the kind > of images possible with the notorious "Bigma" - Sigma 50-500. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458039806 > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4457262217 > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038850 > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038552 > > They are in order: Brown grass, Green grass, Crop, B&W. > > I used the color replacement tool to brown the grass and make it look more > "natural", but am not quite easy with the "ethics" of that. > > The grass in the lion enclosure at the NC Zoo is BRIGHT green, doesn't > really evoke the natural habitat. It's really garish to my eye. > > I used an 8x10 crop to get a more intimate image. This is my preferred > image. > > Finally I included a B&W conversion to finesse the grass color question. > Which brings up a question, why is B&W conversion acceptable and re-painting > bright green grass brown is dodgy? > > I invite your comments. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions
I rather like that bit of extra room on the left in the 8X10. I gather a re-cropped image link is coming.(?) Jack --- On Tue, 3/23/10, John Sessoms wrote: > From: John Sessoms > Subject: Re: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions > To: pdml@pdml.net > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 1:31 PM > From: Jack Davis > > I prefer the "8X10" crop. I seem to want to see a > little more at the > > bottom, however. If possible, I'd drop the bottom edge > by moving the > > entire frame down. If not possible, suggest you crop > the top to > > eliminate the background above the female lion's ears > by about one > > third. Nice IQ! > > There is, unfortunately, no more available at the bottom. > > I looked at cropping down to eliminate about half the black > space above the female's head and off to the left, and it > does give a little better balance and fills the frame > nicely. > > Thanks. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions
It's a beautifully shot picture - lovely light, colour and texture. The big problem for me is what Ann mentioned about the chin. The male is too low in the frame and the composition is unbalanced. I wish it wasn't. I can't comment on the changing of the colour because I didn't really notice. However, they do have green grass in Africa you know. It's what the wildebeest and the zebras eat, so it makes sense for the lions to wait there. Bob > > > My nature photography group is having an exhibition, and I'm > > considering this image for the show. Four slightly > different versions > > of the same image. This was my second outing with the K20D > and is also > > an example of the kind of images possible with the > notorious "Bigma" - > > Sigma 50-500. > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458039806 > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4457262217 > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038850 > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038552 > > > > They are in order: Brown grass, Green grass, Crop, B&W. > > > > I used the color replacement tool to brown the grass and > make it look > > more "natural", but am not quite easy with the "ethics" of that. > > > > The grass in the lion enclosure at the NC Zoo is BRIGHT > green, doesn't > > really evoke the natural habitat. It's really garish to my eye. > > > > I used an 8x10 crop to get a more intimate image. This is > my preferred > > image. > > > > Finally I included a B&W conversion to finesse the grass color > > question. Which brings up a question, why is B&W conversion > acceptable > > and re-painting bright green grass brown is dodgy? > > > > I invite your comments. > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions
From: Jack Davis I prefer the "8X10" crop. I seem to want to see a little more at the bottom, however. If possible, I'd drop the bottom edge by moving the entire frame down. If not possible, suggest you crop the top to eliminate the background above the female lion's ears by about one third. Nice IQ! There is, unfortunately, no more available at the bottom. I looked at cropping down to eliminate about half the black space above the female's head and off to the left, and it does give a little better balance and fills the frame nicely. Thanks. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions
The light is really nice and their expressions. ... I wouldn't change the grass... I'd take more off the top of the photo if I were using the tight crop... but for a nit I wish the bottom of the hairs on _his_ chinychinchin were not cut off... guessing there was something in the extreme foreground you wanted not to be there. I like that zoo... We were there in 1987 in October... I had just fallen on the grounds of Duke University a day before and got a nasty sprain.. so Richard was pushing me around the zoo in a wheel chair still, we enjoyed it quite a lot. ann IIJohn Sessoms wrote: My nature photography group is having an exhibition, and I'm considering this image for the show. Four slightly different versions of the same image. This was my second outing with the K20D and is also an example of the kind of images possible with the notorious "Bigma" - Sigma 50-500. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458039806 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4457262217 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038850 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038552 They are in order: Brown grass, Green grass, Crop, B&W. I used the color replacement tool to brown the grass and make it look more "natural", but am not quite easy with the "ethics" of that. The grass in the lion enclosure at the NC Zoo is BRIGHT green, doesn't really evoke the natural habitat. It's really garish to my eye. I used an 8x10 crop to get a more intimate image. This is my preferred image. Finally I included a B&W conversion to finesse the grass color question. Which brings up a question, why is B&W conversion acceptable and re-painting bright green grass brown is dodgy? I invite your comments. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions
I prefer the "8X10" crop. I seem to want to see a little more at the bottom, however. If possible, I'd drop the bottom edge by moving the entire frame down. If not possible, suggest you crop the top to eliminate the background above the female lion's ears by about one third. Nice IQ! Jack --- On Tue, 3/23/10, John Sessoms wrote: > From: John Sessoms > Subject: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions > To: pdml@pdml.net > Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 12:03 PM > My nature photography group is having > an exhibition, and I'm considering this image for the show. > Four slightly different versions of the same image. This was > my second outing with the K20D and is also an example of the > kind of images possible with the notorious "Bigma" - Sigma > 50-500. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458039806 > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4457262217 > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038850 > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038552 > > They are in order: Brown grass, Green grass, Crop, > B&W. > > I used the color replacement tool to brown the grass and > make it look more "natural", but am not quite easy with the > "ethics" of that. > > The grass in the lion enclosure at the NC Zoo is BRIGHT > green, doesn't really evoke the natural habitat. It's really > garish to my eye. > > I used an 8x10 crop to get a more intimate image. This is > my preferred image. > > Finally I included a B&W conversion to finesse the > grass color question. Which brings up a question, why is > B&W conversion acceptable and re-painting bright green > grass brown is dodgy? > > I invite your comments. > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: 4 in 1 Lions
>I used the color replacement tool to brown the grass and make it look more >"natural", but am not quite easy with the "ethics" of >that. If your exhibition doesn't have a prohibition on editing, I don't see why there would be an ethical consideration. I think Lions 1 is the best one. The 8x10 feels cramped to me, and the black & white doesn't really add anything for me. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:03 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > My nature photography group is having an exhibition, and I'm considering > this image for the show. Four slightly different versions of the same image. > This was my second outing with the K20D and is also an example of the kind > of images possible with the notorious "Bigma" - Sigma 50-500. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458039806 > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4457262217 > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038850 > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038552 > > They are in order: Brown grass, Green grass, Crop, B&W. > > I used the color replacement tool to brown the grass and make it look more > "natural", but am not quite easy with the "ethics" of that. > > The grass in the lion enclosure at the NC Zoo is BRIGHT green, doesn't > really evoke the natural habitat. It's really garish to my eye. > > I used an 8x10 crop to get a more intimate image. This is my preferred > image. > > Finally I included a B&W conversion to finesse the grass color question. > Which brings up a question, why is B&W conversion acceptable and re-painting > bright green grass brown is dodgy? > > I invite your comments. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: 4 in 1 Lions
My nature photography group is having an exhibition, and I'm considering this image for the show. Four slightly different versions of the same image. This was my second outing with the K20D and is also an example of the kind of images possible with the notorious "Bigma" - Sigma 50-500. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458039806 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4457262217 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038850 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/4458038552 They are in order: Brown grass, Green grass, Crop, B&W. I used the color replacement tool to brown the grass and make it look more "natural", but am not quite easy with the "ethics" of that. The grass in the lion enclosure at the NC Zoo is BRIGHT green, doesn't really evoke the natural habitat. It's really garish to my eye. I used an 8x10 crop to get a more intimate image. This is my preferred image. Finally I included a B&W conversion to finesse the grass color question. Which brings up a question, why is B&W conversion acceptable and re-painting bright green grass brown is dodgy? I invite your comments. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
