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On 1/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kids can use keyboards standing on their head :-). I've got a pic from Christmas - it didn't turn out quite as well as I'd hoped - with Catherine, my 17 year old, holding a phone receiver in the crook of her neck, with a Gameboy SP balanced on her knee, all the while tapping out something on the keyboard of her desktop. Kids have to multi-task these days if they want to keep up! cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Kids can use keyboards standing on their head :-). -- Original message -- From: keith_w <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Bob Sullivan wrote: > > > That's a satisfying family scene Paul. I envy you... Bob S. > > > > On 1/25/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of > >>course. > >>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg > > Except...what I've always wondered is, how can anyone use a keyboard in > such an *uncomfortable* position? > > keith whaley >
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Bob Sullivan wrote: That's a satisfying family scene Paul. I envy you... Bob S. On 1/25/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of course. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg Except...what I've always wondered is, how can anyone use a keyboard in such an *uncomfortable* position? keith whaley
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That's a satisfying family scene Paul. I envy you... Bob S. On 1/25/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of > course. > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg > >
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I'm sure we can work something out. Paul On Jan 25, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 25/1/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of course. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg Product placement. Love it :-) Nice products, too! How much for the young one? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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HAR! I had to take another look to see where you were going with that. Thanks for looking. Paul On Jan 25, 2006, at 5:48 PM, Trevor Bailey wrote: G'day Paul. Nice. I would have called it " You have to eat SOMETHING !" Hooroo. Regards, Trevor. Australia -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 11:16 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Hey! Let Me See! Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of course. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: 20/01/2006
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Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 25/1/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: > >>Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of >>course. >>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg > >Product placement. Love it :-) Nice products, too! How much for the young one? -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
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G'day Paul. Nice. I would have called it " You have to eat SOMETHING !" Hooroo. Regards, Trevor. Australia -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 11:16 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Hey! Let Me See! Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of course. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: 20/01/2006
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you'll see some digital noise at ISO 800, but it's generally less noticeable than the grain of an ISO 800 color negative film. I try to avoid shooting at 1600, although again I think the noise is less obtrusive than the grain of an ISO 1600 film. FWIW, I agree with you about the high-ISO noise being not as bad as high-ISO grain. I shoot at 800 and 1600 a *lot.*
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Yes, you'll see some digital noise at ISO 800, but it's generally less noticeable than the grain of an ISO 800 color negative film. I try to avoid shooting at 1600, although again I think the noise is less obtrusive than the grain of an ISO 1600 film. Paul -- Original message -- From: Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Thank you, Paul, > > The reason I asked is that the pictures I take with my *istDS using > ambient (usually incandescent) light trend to look as if the grain size > is increased. I see the same trend in this picture. > It might not be really grain, it might be the sensor noise. > This can be seen in the areas with otherwise uniform color. > You can see it well in the black colors of the clothing, especially > of your wife's (?). > It can also be seen in the skin of the young lady (I guess your daughter?). > > It doesn't appear as a JPEG-related artifact. > Is this something that is typical for DSLRs? > Any ways of dealing with it, rather then Photoshop and alike? > > Did you use any softening/smoothing filter? > It also looks like in low light the features (say, face features) > are not as distinct, and look much flatter. > (BTW, is this related to the mid-range discussion with Shel?) > It is not a problem for this picture, I am just trying to understand > to which extent this is a limitation of the camera (D, DS). > > I am still not sure what is better (and when): > to use the widest aperture (with the lens which is softer wide open) > or to crank up the ISO number, > and in which range of ISOs (up to 800, 1600, 3200?)? > > Igor > > > > Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:54:45 -0800 > pnstenquist wrote: > > I believe it was 800. I'm not on my home computer now, so I can't check the > EXIF (and it's stripped from the web image), but I shoot almost all my > interior > available light shots at 800. > Paul > -- Original message -- > > From: Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:19:16 -0800 > > Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > > > Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of course. > > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg > > > > > > > Paul, > > > > What ISO was used here? > > > > Igor > > >
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Thank you, Paul, The reason I asked is that the pictures I take with my *istDS using ambient (usually incandescent) light trend to look as if the grain size is increased. I see the same trend in this picture. It might not be really grain, it might be the sensor noise. This can be seen in the areas with otherwise uniform color. You can see it well in the black colors of the clothing, especially of your wife's (?). It can also be seen in the skin of the young lady (I guess your daughter?). It doesn't appear as a JPEG-related artifact. Is this something that is typical for DSLRs? Any ways of dealing with it, rather then Photoshop and alike? Did you use any softening/smoothing filter? It also looks like in low light the features (say, face features) are not as distinct, and look much flatter. (BTW, is this related to the mid-range discussion with Shel?) It is not a problem for this picture, I am just trying to understand to which extent this is a limitation of the camera (D, DS). I am still not sure what is better (and when): to use the widest aperture (with the lens which is softer wide open) or to crank up the ISO number, and in which range of ISOs (up to 800, 1600, 3200?)? Igor Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:54:45 -0800 pnstenquist wrote: I believe it was 800. I'm not on my home computer now, so I can't check the EXIF (and it's stripped from the web image), but I shoot almost all my interior available light shots at 800. Paul -- Original message -- > From: Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:19:16 -0800 > Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of course. > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg > > > > Paul, > > What ISO was used here? > > Igor >
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I believe it was 800. I'm not on my home computer now, so I can't check the EXIF (and it's stripped from the web image), but I shoot almost all my interior available light shots at 800. Paul -- Original message -- From: Igor Roshchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:19:16 -0800 > Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of course. > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg > > > > Paul, > > What ISO was used here? > > Igor >
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I see what you're saying. It could be presented in a diffferent manner by bringing down the middle of the curve. However, I wanted to complement the sunny mood suggested by the background highlights. You're right it is more a matter of preference. Paul -- Original message -- From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It looks over exposed on my calibrated monitor. The thing is, the > histogram looks great, and, technically, one could say the exposure is spot > on. However, there's no mood in the photo. Just bringing down the curve a > bit in the mid range creates a much stronger image, IMO. Maybe it's not > your style or preference, and you prefer the more open and higher tonality > of the photo. That's fine. I won't argue about our different preferences. > > Shel > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > It's not overexposed. Looks fine on a calibrated monitor and the > histogram is clipped only by the blown highlights on the chairs. But thanks > for looking. > >
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On 25/1/06, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: >I thought you were moving house and out of our hair - er, I mean, busy >- for the next few days... I'm always there, in your face, cycle boy. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Wed, 25 Jan 2006 04:19:16 -0800 Paul Stenquist wrote: > Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of course. > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg > Paul, What ISO was used here? Igor
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It looks over exposed on my calibrated monitor. The thing is, the histogram looks great, and, technically, one could say the exposure is spot on. However, there's no mood in the photo. Just bringing down the curve a bit in the mid range creates a much stronger image, IMO. Maybe it's not your style or preference, and you prefer the more open and higher tonality of the photo. That's fine. I won't argue about our different preferences. Shel > [Original Message] > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It's not overexposed. Looks fine on a calibrated monitor and the histogram is clipped only by the blown highlights on the chairs. But thanks for looking.
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It's not overexposed. Looks fine on a calibrated monitor and the histogram is clipped only by the blown highlights on the chairs. But thanks for looking. Paul -- Original message -- From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi Paul, > > > The entire photo looks over exposed to me. It's also too "busy" and the > blown out chairs are a real distraction. As a "slice of life" it just > doesn't cut it for me, on any level. A much tighter crop on the woman > viewing the computer screen and the bear looking over her shoulder, would > make for a much stronger photo. There's too much useless space on the > viewer's left side of the pic. > > > Shel > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Paul Stenquist > > > Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of > > course. > > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg > >
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Hi Paul, The entire photo looks over exposed to me. It's also too "busy" and the blown out chairs are a real distraction. As a "slice of life" it just doesn't cut it for me, on any level. A much tighter crop on the woman viewing the computer screen and the bear looking over her shoulder, would make for a much stronger photo. There's too much useless space on the viewer's left side of the pic. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Paul Stenquist > Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of > course. > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg
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Hi Paul, The entire photo looks over exposed to me. It's also too "busy" and the blown out chairs are a real distraction. As a "slice of life" it just doesn't cut it for me, on any level. A much tighter crop on the woman viewing the computer screen and the bear looking over her shoulder, would make for a much stronger photo. There's too much useless space on the viewer's left side of the pic. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Paul Stenquist > Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of > course. > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg
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Thanks Marnie. Yep, the chairs are goners. I pulled them down in the RAW converter and again with highlight/shadows (at 100%!), but there's at least 12 stops difference. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In a message dated 1/25/2006 4:40:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Nice slice of life shot. I like how it makes me follow all the > different eye lines. > > Dave. > > What he said. There are things not to like, like the blown out chairs. But I > think that's pretty much a quibble, because the baby is looking that way too. > Along with Pooh. :-) > > Marnie aka Doe >
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In a message dated 1/25/2006 4:40:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nice slice of life shot. I like how it makes me follow all the different eye lines. Dave. What he said. There are things not to like, like the blown out chairs. But I think that's pretty much a quibble, because the baby is looking that way too. Along with Pooh. :-) Marnie aka Doe
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On 1/25/06, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Product placement. Love it :-) > Cotty, I thought you were moving house and out of our hair - er, I mean, busy - for the next few days... -frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On 25/1/06, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: >Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of >course. >http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg Product placement. Love it :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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On 1/25/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In truth, it would probably take only a few minutes, but it would > eliminate the feeling that her face is lit by the screen. Everything > would be more uniform. Still, there may be room for improvement. I agree that seeing her face lit by the screen in a different light is a nice element of the photo. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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In truth, it would probably take only a few minutes, but it would eliminate the feeling that her face is lit by the screen. Everything would be more uniform. Still, there may be room for improvement. Paul On Jan 25, 2006, at 8:17 AM, frank theriault wrote: On 1/25/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Frank. Yes, it's yellow overall because the main light source is tungsten. But my daughter's face is illuminated by the computer screen. Yeah, I noticed that, Paul. I figued her face was the reason that you chose not to adjust the colours. I suppose (as you said) you could use masks or whatever to leave her face and adjust the rest, but that ~would~ be lots of work. And, as I said, overall, it's a pretty cool photo as is. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On 1/25/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Frank. Yes, it's yellow overall because the main light source is > tungsten. But my daughter's face is illuminated by the computer screen. Yeah, I noticed that, Paul. I figued her face was the reason that you chose not to adjust the colours. I suppose (as you said) you could use masks or whatever to leave her face and adjust the rest, but that ~would~ be lots of work. And, as I said, overall, it's a pretty cool photo as is. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Thanks Frank. Yes, it's yellow overall because the main light source is tungsten. But my daughter's face is illuminated by the computer screen. If I set the color temperature to bring down the yellow, she would turn blue as would the background. So I chose to keep the tungsten illuminated part of the shot warm as the lesser of two evils. I could go in with masks and filters and adjust different areas individually, but I kind of like the look of different light temperatures in the scene. Not to mention that it would be quite a bit of work . Paul On Jan 25, 2006, at 7:57 AM, frank theriault wrote: On 1/25/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of course. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg I like it, Paul! You caught everyone looking just the right way. It's very yellow to my eye, though (minor criticism). cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On 1/25/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of > course. > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg I like it, Paul! You caught everyone looking just the right way. It's very yellow to my eye, though (minor criticism). cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Nice slice of life shot. I like how it makes me follow all the different eye lines. Dave. On 1/25/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of > course. > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg > >
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Pooh wants in. FA 50/1.4 on the *istD. f2.4 @ 1/20th. Handheld of course. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4058489&size=lg
