Re: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[frank theriault]

On 9/19/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Overall an interesting photo but a bit unbalanced. I do like this
> color, full, loose crop over the later version you posted. In this
> one I can deal with the bicyclist, but in truth he doesn't belong
> there. I like the grafiti counterpoint against the woman and clothing
> rack.

Thanks, Godfrey.

As I said to Peter, I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that although
there are some interesting elements to this one, it's fundamentally
flawed and basically unfixable.

"Almost, but not quite."

Thanks for your input.

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Re: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:20 AM, frank theriault wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/3y9dlf
>  7fuv00nJrdY/s1600-h/sept_17+005.jpg>

Overall an interesting photo but a bit unbalanced. I do like this  
color, full, loose crop over the later version you posted. In this  
one I can deal with the bicyclist, but in truth he doesn't belong  
there. I like the grafiti counterpoint against the woman and clothing  
rack.

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Re: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[frank theriault]

On 9/19/07, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been refraining from commenting so far but I figured I'd give you
> my thoughts. First it needs the color, to my eye this scene is all about
> the color and the contrast to the womans black attire, and you need to
> somehow bring out more detail in the womans dress. Secondly. the second
> crop is better compositionally. As you know you can't always get what
> you want with spontaneous street shooting. The graffiti is interesting
> and the whole scene might be worthy of a shot, but with the woman as the
> main subject I don't think you can get away with the first crop. I don't
> know how fast the bicyclist was moving but I would have tried to get a
> second shot as he left the frame, if the *ist-D was up to that that
> might have balanced it nicely told a slightly different story and
> allowed you to keep the graffiti.
> (I was going to put that in Pirate Lingo, but gave up after the first
> sentence. Arrr.

I appreciate your detailed thoughts on this one.

I agree with you, and others (like Paul) who think this has to remain colour.

As for the bike, well, as I mentioned earlier, I waited for the bike
to leave, but moments later, a car parked directly in front of the
store, completely obscuring my view, so there was no chance to
recompose or reshoot.

I'll continue to work on this one, trying various crops in colour, but
I'm fast coming to the conclusion that this may be one of those
"almost, but not quite" shots.  There are many good elements, but it's
essentially flawed such that it's never ~quite~ going to work the way
I want it.

thanks to everyone,
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Re: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[P. J. Alling]

I've been refraining from commenting so far but I figured I'd give you 
my thoughts. First it needs the color, to my eye this scene is all about 
the color and the contrast to the womans black attire, and you need to 
somehow bring out more detail in the womans dress. Secondly. the second 
crop is better compositionally. As you know you can't always get what 
you want with spontaneous street shooting. The graffiti is interesting 
and the whole scene might be worthy of a shot, but with the woman as the 
main subject I don't think you can get away with the first crop. I don't 
know how fast the bicyclist was moving but I would have tried to get a 
second shot as he left the frame, if the *ist-D was up to that that 
might have balanced it nicely told a slightly different story and 
allowed you to keep the graffiti.
(I was going to put that in Pirate Lingo, but gave up after the first 
sentence. Arrr.


frank theriault wrote:
> On 9/18/07, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I don't think it sucks, but it is unbalanced - too much weight at the
>> left. I think it would still be unbalanced even without the cyclist.
>> 
>
> Right.
>
> Well.
>
> Of course.  I was looking at all those colours, the graffiti, the
> bright clothing, and although I cropped a bit off the left, I didn't
> want to lose all that stuff.
>
> However, you're absolutely right about the "weight" of the pic.  So, I
> cropped a lot out.  Then she looked lost, all dressed in black against
> the bright coloured clothes.  So I converted it to black and white,
> which I think works in the crop (below).
>
> But then when I got to the office and looked at it on my work monitor,
> I could see there's absolutely no detail in her black dress (amazing
> how much detail I can see in my LCD monitor at home that just doesn't
> show on my CRT monitor at work).  I think I could fiddle with the
> brightness/contrast a bit too.  So, this is still a work in progress
> (they all seem to be with digital;  that's one thing I liked with film
> - did I just use the past tense? - I shot, got prints, that was it!),
> but I think I'm getting somewhere:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ys74tp
>
> http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RvEOo10U2eI/AuM/spT8bBB9_jk/s1600-h/sept_19+001.jpg
>
> I'm just not sure where...
>
> ;-)
>
> Oh yeah, I decided to change the title:  The Fitting Room.  More
> streamlined and simple...
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>   


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Re: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[pnstenquist]

I like the loose crop better as well. I also prefer it in color -- by a wide 
margin. The colorful rack of clothing makes the shot IMO.
Paul
 -- Original message --
From: Charles Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On Sep 19, 2007, at 7:10, frank theriault wrote:
> > But then when I got to the office and looked at it on my work monitor,
> > I could see there's absolutely no detail in her black dress (amazing
> > how much detail I can see in my LCD monitor at home that just doesn't
> > show on my CRT monitor at work).
> 
> No detail showing on my fairly-well calibrated/adjusted screen here  
> at work either.
> 
> All "balance" issues aside, it looks less interesting in the tight  
> crop.  At least to me.
> > http://tinyurl.com/ys74tp
> >
> > http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RvEOo10U2eI/AuM/ 
> > spT8bBB9_jk/s1600-h/sept_19+001.jpg
> 
>   -Charles
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Re: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[Charles Robinson]

On Sep 19, 2007, at 7:10, frank theriault wrote:
> But then when I got to the office and looked at it on my work monitor,
> I could see there's absolutely no detail in her black dress (amazing
> how much detail I can see in my LCD monitor at home that just doesn't
> show on my CRT monitor at work).

No detail showing on my fairly-well calibrated/adjusted screen here  
at work either.

All "balance" issues aside, it looks less interesting in the tight  
crop.  At least to me.
> http://tinyurl.com/ys74tp
>
> http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RvEOo10U2eI/AuM/ 
> spT8bBB9_jk/s1600-h/sept_19+001.jpg

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Re: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[Rebekah]

>However, it looks to me like the building is more sagging than I'm
>tilting.  Looks like the roofline is lower in the middle that at
>either edge.

On closer inspection it looks like the upright bit of the rack behind
her is vertical.  Sorry!

rg2




On 9/19/07, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/18/07, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I like it, all the colors are great and it's one of those pictures
> > that have lots of things to look without being a mess.  Btw, it looks
> > like your horizontal is a bit off, or else the building is crooked  ;)
>
> Well, as Peter says, I tend to tilt, so normally, I'd agree with you.
>
> However, it looks to me like the building is more sagging than I'm
> tilting.  Looks like the roofline is lower in the middle that at
> either edge.
>
> Toronto's Kensington market is one of the older still-existing
> neighbourhoods in town, with many of the buildings about 100 years old
> or more (which is very old by our city's standards).
>
> Thanks for your comment!  Thanks to Ken and Darby, and anyone else who looked.
>
> cheers,
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Re: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[frank theriault]

On 9/18/07, Rebekah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like it, all the colors are great and it's one of those pictures
> that have lots of things to look without being a mess.  Btw, it looks
> like your horizontal is a bit off, or else the building is crooked  ;)

Well, as Peter says, I tend to tilt, so normally, I'd agree with you.

However, it looks to me like the building is more sagging than I'm
tilting.  Looks like the roofline is lower in the middle that at
either edge.

Toronto's Kensington market is one of the older still-existing
neighbourhoods in town, with many of the buildings about 100 years old
or more (which is very old by our city's standards).

Thanks for your comment!  Thanks to Ken and Darby, and anyone else who looked.

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Re: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[frank theriault]

On 9/18/07, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think it sucks, but it is unbalanced - too much weight at the
> left. I think it would still be unbalanced even without the cyclist.

Right.

Well.

Of course.  I was looking at all those colours, the graffiti, the
bright clothing, and although I cropped a bit off the left, I didn't
want to lose all that stuff.

However, you're absolutely right about the "weight" of the pic.  So, I
cropped a lot out.  Then she looked lost, all dressed in black against
the bright coloured clothes.  So I converted it to black and white,
which I think works in the crop (below).

But then when I got to the office and looked at it on my work monitor,
I could see there's absolutely no detail in her black dress (amazing
how much detail I can see in my LCD monitor at home that just doesn't
show on my CRT monitor at work).  I think I could fiddle with the
brightness/contrast a bit too.  So, this is still a work in progress
(they all seem to be with digital;  that's one thing I liked with film
- did I just use the past tense? - I shot, got prints, that was it!),
but I think I'm getting somewhere:

http://tinyurl.com/ys74tp

http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RvEOo10U2eI/AuM/spT8bBB9_jk/s1600-h/sept_19+001.jpg

I'm just not sure where...

;-)

Oh yeah, I decided to change the title:  The Fitting Room.  More
streamlined and simple...

Thanks for your input!

cheers,
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Re: Spam: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[Derby Chang]

frank theriault wrote:
> In Kensington Market, they don't need no stinking dressing rooms:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3y9dlf
>
> http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Ru5x7HjQnII/Atc/7fuv00nJrdY/s1600-h/sept_17+005.jpg
>
> Seriously, this is another one that I don't think I like.  Obviously,
> I'm not happy about the cyclist intruding on the right-hand side of
> the frame.  Unfortunately, right after he passed through the frame a
> car parked directly in front of the store, obscuring her completely.
>
> Then, from time to time I look at this and say, "the bike actually
> adds a bit to this - funky market vibe and all - and how could one not
> like a bike?"
>
> Then I quickly flip back to "the time sucks"
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> thanks for you help,
> frank
>
>   

I like it. Sharp and edgy. The biker adds to the cinematic moment, and 
the graffiti tags are surprisingly touching.

But I think those trousers are a bit too long for Courtney Love.

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Re: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[P. J. Alling]

No, it's just that Frank tilts a little...

Rebekah wrote:
> I like it, all the colors are great and it's one of those pictures
> that have lots of things to look without being a mess.  Btw, it looks
> like your horizontal is a bit off, or else the building is crooked  ;)
>
> rg2
>
>
>
>
> On 9/18/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>   
>> No thoughts, only an opinion.
>>
>> Knarf - FWIW, I'm of the - he shouldn't be there school.
>> I really like all the color against the black.
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market
>>
>>
>> 
>>> In Kensington Market, they don't need no stinking dressing rooms:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/3y9dlf
>>>
>>> http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Ru5x7HjQnII/Atc/7fuv00nJrdY/s1600-h/sept_17+005.jpg
>>>
>>> Seriously, this is another one that I don't think I like.  Obviously,
>>> I'm not happy about the cyclist intruding on the right-hand side of
>>> the frame.  Unfortunately, right after he passed through the frame a
>>> car parked directly in front of the store, obscuring her completely.
>>>
>>> Then, from time to time I look at this and say, "the bike actually
>>> adds a bit to this - funky market vibe and all - and how could one not
>>> like a bike?"
>>>
>>> Then I quickly flip back to "the time sucks"
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> thanks for you help,
>>> frank
>>>   
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Re: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[Rebekah]

I like it, all the colors are great and it's one of those pictures
that have lots of things to look without being a mess.  Btw, it looks
like your horizontal is a bit off, or else the building is crooked  ;)

rg2




On 9/18/07, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Any thoughts?
>
> No thoughts, only an opinion.
>
> Knarf - FWIW, I'm of the - he shouldn't be there school.
> I really like all the color against the black.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://tinyurl.com/272u2f
>
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market
>
>
> > In Kensington Market, they don't need no stinking dressing rooms:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/3y9dlf
> >
> > http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Ru5x7HjQnII/Atc/7fuv00nJrdY/s1600-h/sept_17+005.jpg
> >
> > Seriously, this is another one that I don't think I like.  Obviously,
> > I'm not happy about the cyclist intruding on the right-hand side of
> > the frame.  Unfortunately, right after he passed through the frame a
> > car parked directly in front of the store, obscuring her completely.
> >
> > Then, from time to time I look at this and say, "the bike actually
> > adds a bit to this - funky market vibe and all - and how could one not
> > like a bike?"
> >
> > Then I quickly flip back to "the time sucks"
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > thanks for you help,
> > frank
>
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Re: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[Kenneth Waller]

> Any thoughts?

No thoughts, only an opinion.

Knarf - FWIW, I'm of the - he shouldn't be there school.
I really like all the color against the black.

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


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From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market


> In Kensington Market, they don't need no stinking dressing rooms:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3y9dlf
>
> http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Ru5x7HjQnII/Atc/7fuv00nJrdY/s1600-h/sept_17+005.jpg
>
> Seriously, this is another one that I don't think I like.  Obviously,
> I'm not happy about the cyclist intruding on the right-hand side of
> the frame.  Unfortunately, right after he passed through the frame a
> car parked directly in front of the store, obscuring her completely.
>
> Then, from time to time I look at this and say, "the bike actually
> adds a bit to this - funky market vibe and all - and how could one not
> like a bike?"
>
> Then I quickly flip back to "the time sucks"
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> thanks for you help,
> frank


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RE: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[Bob W]

When I said left, I meant right. 

The mistake is a side-effect of breaking my wrist in June. Since
breaking my wrist I wear my watch on the right because the scar on the
left is still sensitive. Throughout my life I have associated left
with the hand that my watch is on, and I keep making this mistake now!

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> Subject: RE: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market
> 
> I don't think it sucks, but it is unbalanced - too much weight at
the
> left. I think it would still be unbalanced even without the cyclist.
> 
> --
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>  
> 
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> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> > Behalf Of frank theriault
> > Sent: 18 September 2007 19:21
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> > Subject: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market
> > 
> > In Kensington Market, they don't need no stinking dressing rooms:
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/3y9dlf
> > 
> > http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Ru5x7HjQnII/Atc/7f
> > uv00nJrdY/s1600-h/sept_17+005.jpg
> > 
> > Seriously, this is another one that I don't think I like.
> Obviously,
> > I'm not happy about the cyclist intruding on the right-hand side
of
> > the frame.  Unfortunately, right after he passed through the frame
a
> > car parked directly in front of the store, obscuring her
completely.
> > 
> > Then, from time to time I look at this and say, "the bike actually
> > adds a bit to this - funky market vibe and all - and how could one
> not
> > like a bike?"
> > 
> > Then I quickly flip back to "the time sucks"
> > 
> > Any thoughts?
> > 
> > thanks for you help,
> > frank
> > 
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RE: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[Bob W]

I don't think it sucks, but it is unbalanced - too much weight at the
left. I think it would still be unbalanced even without the cyclist.

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> Subject: PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market
> 
> In Kensington Market, they don't need no stinking dressing rooms:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/3y9dlf
> 
> http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Ru5x7HjQnII/Atc/7f
> uv00nJrdY/s1600-h/sept_17+005.jpg
> 
> Seriously, this is another one that I don't think I like.
Obviously,
> I'm not happy about the cyclist intruding on the right-hand side of
> the frame.  Unfortunately, right after he passed through the frame a
> car parked directly in front of the store, obscuring her completely.
> 
> Then, from time to time I look at this and say, "the bike actually
> adds a bit to this - funky market vibe and all - and how could one
not
> like a bike?"
> 
> Then I quickly flip back to "the time sucks"
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> thanks for you help,
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> 
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PESO - Wardrobe Fitting in the Market

[frank theriault]

In Kensington Market, they don't need no stinking dressing rooms:

http://tinyurl.com/3y9dlf

http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Ru5x7HjQnII/Atc/7fuv00nJrdY/s1600-h/sept_17+005.jpg

Seriously, this is another one that I don't think I like.  Obviously,
I'm not happy about the cyclist intruding on the right-hand side of
the frame.  Unfortunately, right after he passed through the frame a
car parked directly in front of the store, obscuring her completely.

Then, from time to time I look at this and say, "the bike actually
adds a bit to this - funky market vibe and all - and how could one not
like a bike?"

Then I quickly flip back to "the time sucks"

Any thoughts?

thanks for you help,
frank

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