Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
From: "P. J. Alling" If it weren't such a technical tour de force the Auto 110 would have been a joke as well, and interchangeable lens camera aimed directly the same market segment. I just don't think that the market allows this kind of quirkiness these days. I'm sure the market "allows" it. Might not reward it, but it "allows" it. On 2/4/2011 9:53 AM, Mark Robertswrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: 'interesting' might be one word for it. 'Not in the least bit' would be another five. I hope Mark! is interested in that. Oh my, yes. And by the way, I agree with the sentiment. This has to be some kind of joke Pentax is playing on rumor-mongers: An interchangeable-lens camera aimed at the market segment that's least interested in interchangeable lenses. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3421 - Release Date: 02/03/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
You mean like brightly colored DSLRs. ;-) Again, I think these things might sell in Japan, which is just fine with Pentax. No expert opinion here, just my noting the Japanese fetish with technogoodies over the years. On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > Mark Robertswrote: > >> An interchangeable-lens camera aimed at the market segment >> that's least interested in interchangeable lenses. > > Mark! (and my thought exactly) > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
Mark Robertswrote: An interchangeable-lens camera aimed at the market segment that's least interested in interchangeable lenses. Mark! (and my thought exactly) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
> If it weren't such a technical tour de force the Auto 110 would have > been a joke as well, and interchangeable lens camera aimed directly the > same market segment. I just don't think that the market allows this > kind of quirkiness these days. I suspect it does. Look at the interest the Fuji X100 has generated. There are a lot of people out there looking for distinctive cameras. I even saw someone buy on of those new Auto 110 lookalikes a couple of weeks ago, and the buyer clearly hadn't a clue but wanted something different looking. The product lifecycle of cameras is so much shorter now than it was when film was king, it seems as though the economics have changed enough for the camera makers do even more wacky cameras now, without it being such a risk. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
If it weren't such a technical tour de force the Auto 110 would have been a joke as well, and interchangeable lens camera aimed directly the same market segment. I just don't think that the market allows this kind of quirkiness these days. On 2/4/2011 9:53 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: 'interesting' might be one word for it. 'Not in the least bit' would be another five. I hope Mark! is interested in that. Oh my, yes. And by the way, I agree with the sentiment. This has to be some kind of joke Pentax is playing on rumor-mongers: An interchangeable-lens camera aimed at the market segment that's least interested in interchangeable lenses. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
Mark Roberts wrote: >Bob W wrote: > >>> 'interesting' might be one word for it. 'Not in the least bit' would >>> be another five. >> >>I hope Mark! is interested in that. > >Oh my, yes. And by the way, I agree with the sentiment. This has to be some kind of joke Pentax is playing on rumor-mongers: An interchangeable-lens camera aimed at the market segment that's least interested in interchangeable lenses. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
Your going to really like that lens. I have it on my E-P1. That m43 package is very addictive. On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:29 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > Steven Desjardins wrote: > >> This is interesting and surprising: >> >> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/ > > To me, it looks like a Chicken Little system. Not interesting at all. > My Panny GF1+20mm is arriving today. > > Dario > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
I'm with you here. On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: > I would like to see Pentax in the micro 4/3 arena. With a good image > processing engine, good lenses, and a good design team all they lack is > experience in building an EVF. And rather than creating a new niche mount, > sensor, etc, they would be competing in an arena with established standards > for mount and sensor. They probably couldn't compete on price or volume, but > they could compete on quality. > > stan > > On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Jim King wrote: > >> >> Steven Desjardins wrote on Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:15:43 -0800 >> >>> and surprising: >>> >>> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/ >>> >>> There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a >>> bigger sensor. My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in >>> japan and do as well as they can elsewhere. (What do I, know after >>> all ;-) >> >> >> I don't have any telephone to the future, but I'd be mighty surprised if >> this thing ever surfaces. Pentax almost went broke trying to invent new >> market segments back in the day; I highly doubt that Hoya will let them >> chase after this particular rainbow. >> >> A new Pentax mirrorless with a larger sensor, OTOH, might just pop up >> sometime soon... >> >> Regards, Jim >> __ >> Jim King >> jamesk8...@mac.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
Dario Bonazza wrote: My Panny GF1+20mm is arriving today. Got it! Bunga bunga ;-) Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
Bob W wrote: >> 'interesting' might be one word for it. 'Not in the least bit' would >> be >> another five. > >I hope Mark! is interested in that. Oh my, yes. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
> 'interesting' might be one word for it. 'Not in the least bit' would > be > another five. I hope Mark! is interested in that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
M Mount, you say? http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2011/02/02/leica-lens-mount-module-for- ricoh-gxr-system/ Cheers Mike On Feb 4, 2011, at 12:28 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: I much rather migrate to Ricoh GXR system hoping that they will also introduce a K-mount module but even an M-mount will do for me nicely. The system as described in this rumor seems very much like a still- born product to me. Boris On 2/4/2011 3:15 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: and surprising: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with- ultratiny-sensor-5x/ There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a bigger sensor. My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in japan and do as well as they can elsewhere. (What do I, know after all ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
'interesting' might be one word for it. 'Not in the least bit' would be another five. At least, not to me. Now if it were APS-C... - Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
Mmm it may work out, specially in Japan. This more of a evolved P&S than anything else of course but if price is right, why not. My LX3 may find its replacement. 2011/2/4 Dario Bonazza : > Steven Desjardins wrote: > >> This is interesting and surprising: >> >> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/ > > To me, it looks like a Chicken Little system. Not interesting at all. > My Panny GF1+20mm is arriving today. > > Dario > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13" Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
Steven Desjardins wrote: This is interesting and surprising: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/ To me, it looks like a Chicken Little system. Not interesting at all. My Panny GF1+20mm is arriving today. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
I much rather migrate to Ricoh GXR system hoping that they will also introduce a K-mount module but even an M-mount will do for me nicely. The system as described in this rumor seems very much like a still-born product to me. Boris On 2/4/2011 3:15 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: and surprising: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/ There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a bigger sensor. My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in japan and do as well as they can elsewhere. (What do I, know after all ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
On 2/4/2011 6:32 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: I would like to see Pentax in the micro 4/3 arena. With a good image processing engine, good lenses, and a good design team all they lack is experience in building an EVF. And rather than creating a new niche mount, sensor, etc, they would be competing in an arena with established standards for mount and sensor. They probably couldn't compete on price or volume, but they could compete on quality. stan Unfortunately, as of recent "Pentax and Quality" don't ring together nicely... Oh, good old times, where are you? /sigh/ Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
I would like to see Pentax in the micro 4/3 arena. With a good image processing engine, good lenses, and a good design team all they lack is experience in building an EVF. And rather than creating a new niche mount, sensor, etc, they would be competing in an arena with established standards for mount and sensor. They probably couldn't compete on price or volume, but they could compete on quality. stan On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Jim King wrote: > > Steven Desjardins wrote on Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:15:43 -0800 > >> and surprising: >> >> http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/ >> >> There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a >> bigger sensor. My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in >> japan and do as well as they can elsewhere. (What do I, know after >> all ;-) > > > I don't have any telephone to the future, but I'd be mighty surprised if this > thing ever surfaces. Pentax almost went broke trying to invent new market > segments back in the day; I highly doubt that Hoya will let them chase after > this particular rainbow. > > A new Pentax mirrorless with a larger sensor, OTOH, might just pop up > sometime soon... > > Regards, Jim > __ > Jim King > jamesk8...@mac.com > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
Steven Desjardins wrote on Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:15:43 -0800 > and surprising: > > http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/ > > There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a > bigger sensor. My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in > japan and do as well as they can elsewhere. (What do I, know after > all ;-) I don't have any telephone to the future, but I'd be mighty surprised if this thing ever surfaces. Pentax almost went broke trying to invent new market segments back in the day; I highly doubt that Hoya will let them chase after this particular rainbow. A new Pentax mirrorless with a larger sensor, OTOH, might just pop up sometime soon... Regards, Jim __ Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
The goal of Pentax is to make money, not serious photographic tools. There is much more market for a very small camera that is better than a cell phone than a great camera that is smaller than a K-x. "Paul Stenquist" wrote: >More a novelty than a serious photographic tool I would think. > >On Feb 3, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > >> and surprising: >> >http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/ >> >> There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a >> bigger sensor. My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in >> japan and do as well as they can elsewhere. (What do I, know after >> all ;-) >> -- >> Steve Desjardins >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
Most people don't care about IQ as much as convenience, and in a few years the performance of small sensor systems should catch up with aps of not too long ago. From a long term marketing view, its probably a good choice. My credit card appreciqates that choice too. "Steven Desjardins" wrote: >and surprising: >http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/ > >There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a >bigger sensor. My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in >japan and do as well as they can elsewhere. (What do I, know after >all ;-) >-- >Steve Desjardins > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
More a novelty than a serious photographic tool I would think. On Feb 3, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > and surprising: > http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/ > > There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a > bigger sensor. My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in > japan and do as well as they can elsewhere. (What do I, know after > all ;-) > -- > Steve Desjardins > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:15 -0500, "Steven Desjardins" wrote: > and surprising: > http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/ > > There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a > bigger sensor. My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in > japan and do as well as they can elsewhere. (What do I, know after > all ;-) > -- This has been rumored for a while but it's interesting that the link (above) mentions the Kenko Mirrorless System that I noticeed on another site just this morning: http://tinyurl.com/4r733tv The Kenko (if it ever appears) is to use a C-mount. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax Mirrorless: This is interesting
and surprising: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/pentax-mirrorless-system-with-ultratiny-sensor-5x/ There are still rumors that they also plan a different system with a bigger sensor. My theory is they hope to sell a bunch of these in japan and do as well as they can elsewhere. (What do I, know after all ;-) -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
