Re: Photographing Rain

2004-01-08 Thread Bob W
Hi,

you could follow the way of the Japanese master Hiroshige.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/paintingtheweather/csv/painting/shower.shtml

He scratched the printing block. You could scratch your negatives. 

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

> On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 16:22, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> I want to catch the rain falling in a photograph.  My attempts at this
> have all been failures.  Any suggestions for getting those raindrops on
> film?  Is there an ideal shutter speed?  Or might the speed be relative
> to the intensity of the rain?  Do raindrops always fall at the same
> speed (thinking of early experiments with falling objects, gravity)?



Re: Photographing Rain

2004-01-08 Thread Frits Wüthrich
The first thing to do now that it stopped raining: wait untill it starts
to rain again, else you might be dissapointed about the results

On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 16:22, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> I want to catch the rain falling in a photograph.  My attempts at this
> have all been failures.  Any suggestions for getting those raindrops on
> film?  Is there an ideal shutter speed?  Or might the speed be relative
> to the intensity of the rain?  Do raindrops always fall at the same
> speed (thinking of early experiments with falling objects, gravity)?
-- 
Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Re: Photographing Rain

2004-01-08 Thread Rob Studdert
On 8 Jan 2004 at 16:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Rain, down where you would be photographing it, will be pretty much falling at a
> constant velocity. Gravity (constant acceleration) is only for the case of
> objects falling in a vacuum. In a fluid (air) an equilibrium is reached between
> the force of gravity and drag. The velocity the object reaches is know as
> terminal velocity. To get the rain drops to show up well you have to light them.
> You don’t need flash, but you do need light. Have the light come from the side
> so it doesn’t reflect straight back, or light up the foreground. A high powered
> flash light might even do. 

Or wait for a Sun-shower.

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Re: Photographing Rain

2004-01-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
b_rubenstein wrote:
> Shel Belinkoff asked:
>> Do raindrops always fall at the same
>> speed (thinking of early experiments with falling objects, gravity)?
>
> Rain, down where you would be photographing it, will be pretty much falling 
> at a constant velocity. Gravity (constant acceleration) is only for the case 
> of objects falling in a vacuum. 

Not sure whether that was the question, or whether he meant
to ask about the speed of raindrops in different storms.

The size of the raindrop will affect its terminal velocity
(shape too, but in the case of raindrops that's determined
by the size anyhow), so small raindrops will fall at a 
different speed than large ones.  An example of the extreme
case of this:  if the drops get small enough, they barely
fall at all, and you get mist instead of really rainy rain.

As BR pointed out, all of this goes out the window in a 
vacuum (yeah, yeah, imagery inadvertent but cute enough
to leave in anyhow), where size and shape no loner matter
and there's no terminal velocity so things keep accellerating
until they hit.

Completely off-topic trivia:  terminal velocity for a human
(in air, in Earth gravity) in spread-eagle position is 
somewhere around 70 MPH.  I'm not sure, but I think I heard 
it's about double that for a streamlined headfirst dive.  (And 
a Hell of a lot slower after pulling the doohickey that lets 
the parachute open, of course.)

-- Glenn



Re: Photographing Rain

2004-01-08 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> I want to catch the rain falling in a photograph.  My attempts at this
> have all been failures.  Any suggestions for getting those raindrops on
> film?  Is there an ideal shutter speed?  Or might the speed be relative
> to the intensity of the rain?  Do raindrops always fall at the same
> speed (thinking of early experiments with falling objects, gravity)?

The best (most expressive) pictures I've seen have been taken on sunny
days (!) with the rain backlit to show up as light streaks against a
dark background.  Speeds of 125 down to vary the length of the streaks.

If you can't get it backlit against a dark background (or even if you
can) adding a little milk to the rain increases its visibility,
according to Gene Kelly.

mike

-- 

Founder member, The Secret Pentax Society of twited pigs




Re: Photographing Rain

2004-01-08 Thread b_rubenstein
Rain, down where you would be photographing it, will be pretty much falling 
at a constant velocity. Gravity (constant acceleration) is only for the case 
of objects falling in a vacuum. In a fluid (air) an equilibrium is reached 
between the force of gravity and drag. The velocity the object reaches is 
know as terminal velocity. 
To get the rain drops to show up well you have to light them. You don’t need 
flash, but you do need light. Have the light come from the side so it doesn’t 
reflect straight back, or light up the foreground. A high powered flash light 
might even do. 

BR

From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I want to catch the rain falling in a photograph.  My attempts at this
have all been failures.  Any suggestions for getting those raindrops on
film?  Is there an ideal shutter speed?  Or might the speed be relative
to the intensity of the rain?  Do raindrops always fall at the same
speed (thinking of early experiments with falling objects, gravity)?



Re: Photographing Rain

2004-01-08 Thread Carlos Nascimento
Something like if you have "Scratched out". Is a effect provided by the movement os 
the drops while the shutter is open...


[]'s, 
CN

> What's a "risky" rain?





Re: Photographing Rain

2004-01-08 Thread Shel Belinkoff
What's a "risky" rain?

Carlos Nascimento wrote:

>
> The answer to you question is: 'it's depends'. If you want a 'risky' rain,