Provia 100F "bluish" color cast
Well, since I was diggin' through Fuji's site, I took a peek at Provia's data sheet. Funny. They recommend the use of UV or 81A filters for outdoor shooting. So before anyone complains again about some bluish cast. Please RTFM ;-) cheers, caveman P.S. I am quite pleased with the results of the stronger 81B.
RE: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast
Then the film is NOT "daylight" balanced. Very ODD. Jco > -Original Message- > From: Caveman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:50 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast > > > Well, since I was diggin' through Fuji's site, I took a peek at Provia's > data sheet. Funny. They recommend the use of UV or 81A filters for > outdoor shooting. So before anyone complains again about some bluish > cast. Please RTFM ;-) > > cheers, > caveman > > P.S. I am quite pleased with the results of the stronger 81B. >
Re: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast
- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast > Then the film is NOT "daylight" balanced. > Very ODD. > Jco > > > -Original Message- > > From: Caveman > > Subject: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast > > > > > > Well, since I was diggin' through Fuji's site, I took a peek at Provia's > > data sheet. Funny. They recommend the use of UV or 81A filters for > > outdoor shooting. So before anyone complains again about some bluish > > cast. Please RTFM ;-) The film may be sensitive to colour shifts due to dryer heat, It may be a bit more UV sensitive than other films, which manifests itself as a bluish colour cast, or it could just be that people that think it has a bluish cast are more used to a warmer film. William Robb
Re: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast
In addition to Bill's explanation. "Daylight" is a pretty much difficult term. The correct definition for the photo world would be the radiation of an ideal black body at 5500 K. If you really want to see if the film is "daylight" balanced, you should use such lighting source. Sun at 30 degrees is very close to that. However, there's the blue sky too up there, and it has a color temp of about 11000 K. For exactly the same moment of the day, it all depends of the ratio directsunlight/skylight of light hitting your subject. Simple experiment: get your model in a "hall" entrance of a building, use that as a tunnel that cuts much of the sky and lets predominantly direct sun light fall on the subject. Take shot 1. Then get the model outside, in "open", where she's lighted by the sun and a large portion of the sky. Take shot 2. Now get the model in the shade (just skylight) and take shot 3. Shot 1 will be warm, much like "golden hour". Shot 2 will be vary around "neutral", depending of sun/sky ratio Shot 3 will be bluish. All, with daylight, at same hour. What Fuji says in the data sheet is to use UV or even 81A in the open. Which makes sense to me. cheers, caveman William Robb wrote: ----- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast Then the film is NOT "daylight" balanced. Very ODD. Jco -Original Message- From: Caveman Subject: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast Well, since I was diggin' through Fuji's site, I took a peek at Provia's data sheet. Funny. They recommend the use of UV or 81A filters for outdoor shooting. So before anyone complains again about some bluish cast. Please RTFM ;-) The film may be sensitive to colour shifts due to dryer heat, It may be a bit more UV sensitive than other films, which manifests itself as a bluish colour cast, or it could just be that people that think it has a bluish cast are more used to a warmer film. William Robb
Re: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast
Forgot to add that, if you're using a digicam, the whole color temp discussion is pretty much meaningless. The camera will record whatever colors it wants, and you'll just fix that later in Photoshop. This makes the use of color balancing filters pretty much unnecessary. Which is a "Good Thing" (TM). cheers, caveman
RE: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast
> -Original Message- > From: Caveman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Forgot to add that, if you're using a digicam, the whole color temp > discussion is pretty much meaningless. The camera will > record whatever > colors it wants, and you'll just fix that later in > Photoshop. This makes > the use of color balancing filters pretty much unnecessary. > Which is a > "Good Thing" (TM). Depends on how you shoot. Raw shooters typically work this way, but people who shoot in jpg generally take more care to get it right in the camera, as it's more of a pain to fix a jpg in PS then applying a color temp during raw conversion. tv
Re: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast
> Depends on how you shoot. Raw shooters typically work this way, but > people who shoot in jpg generally take more care to get it right in > the camera, as it's more of a pain to fix a jpg in PS then applying a > color temp during raw conversion. You could always use an imaging program that has a nice set of Kodak Wratten filters incorporated into it. Much easier to view results this way just by going through the various filters to see the effect it has on the image. Harry -- Harold Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
RE: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast
> -Original Message- > From: Harold Owen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Depends on how you shoot. Raw shooters typically work > this way, but > > people who shoot in jpg generally take more care to get > it right in > > the camera, as it's more of a pain to fix a jpg in PS > then applying a > > color temp during raw conversion. > > You could always use an imaging program that has a nice set of Kodak > Wratten filters incorporated into it. > > Much easier to view results this way just by going through > the various > filters to see the effect it has on the image. Have you done this? Generally I just use the preset for the lightsource in question. If necessary I'll use curves. Generally my lab will correct anything I throw at them. The very best program for setting your WB is Capture 1. tv
Re: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast
under ordinary bright sunlight, i use no color correction. under cloudy skies, i use a little bit of warming with an 81 filter. shadows under overcast and i do digital correction. all film is balanced assuming an exact color temperature of the light source and that is seldom exactly what one encounters in the field. that is why there is only a limited amount of usefulness to color calibrating film/scanner combinations compared to color calibration of a scanner alone. unless you have complete control over the lighting, no film will be exactly correct for lighting conditions except by coincidence. close enough for your tastes is all you can hope for. BTW, when Ektachrome 64 and 160 were the norm, i preferred their cooler tones and Provia 100F is just a milder version of it, so far as i am concerned. Herb... - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 13:21 Subject: Re: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast > The film may be sensitive to colour shifts due to dryer heat, It may be > a bit more UV sensitive than other films, which manifests itself as a > bluish colour cast, or it could just be that people that think it has a > bluish cast are more used to a warmer film. > > William Robb > >
Re: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast
>, i find that the Photoshop Autocolors does an acceptable job. > > Herb Sometimes ,when i have the wrong WB set on the D1,will shooting horses in doors,i have to really adjust,usually blue,the tint. I find in this case that PS elements work best,using the colour cast tool. Dave
Re: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast
i believe that these are nearly identical tools in the two programs. Herb - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 03:50 Subject: Re: Provia 100F "bluish" color cast > >, i find that the Photoshop > Autocolors does an acceptable job. > > > > Herb > > Sometimes ,when i have the wrong WB set on the D1,will shooting horses in doors,i > have to > really > adjust,usually blue,the tint. > I find in this case that PS elements work best,using the colour cast tool. > > Dave > >
Re: Color correcting in Photoshop (was Provia 100F "bluish" color cast)
i use these as add-on plugins to Photoshop, not as built into the scanner. the plugins have more control than the settings built into the scanner software on my Nikon Coolscan 4000ED. Herb - Original Message - From: "Butch Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 17:30 Subject: Color correcting in Photoshop (was Provia 100F "bluish" color cast) > I second Herb's observation of ASF's digital ROC (and SHO and GEM). I have > found all three useful, probably as stated in order of usefulness. It works > great for correcting color temp problems almost all of the time. So it's a > great addition for anyone scanning old slides, for instance. > > BUTCH
