Re: *istD current best price $1349 US?
Actually Rob, I've got to respectfully disagree with you on this one. When assembled in someplace like China or the Philippines it's the other way around. Norm Rob Studdert wrote: Parts cost very little in the scheme of things, final assembly and testing are often a large part of the unit cost.
Re: *istD current best price $1349 US?
Hello, I have been watching the price for awhile now. I know how to get the correct price, and I have never seen it at $1229.95. Just to make sure I added it my cart again tonight and it has the price at $1349.99. Same price as I have seen for a couple of weeks now. I even requested a quote. I received the same amount as above for the quote. Chad On 2/6/04 12:28 AM, "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Geheim, > > If you navigate to where you can buy it, right by the price it says, > "add to cart for current price". Add it to your cart and you will get > a price of $1229.95.
Re: *istD current best price $1349 US?
On 6 Feb 2004 at 19:06, William Robb wrote: > I had one of those Chinese made drills, though I paid > about C$25.00 for it back in July. > I was going to use it for screwing the 3/4 inch OSB down > to my floor joists, and by then I expected it would be > dead, but I wasn't going to use my 100 dollar drill for > this. > I got less than half way into the job and the device > literally caught fire in my hands. > I won't ever buy another 25 dollar drill. I guess you were unlucky with the drill and lucky with the camera, my mates drill is still going after some home reno work but my *ist D is giving up the ghost mechanically. > Apparently, from what it says on the bottom of my istD, > the product is assembled in the Phillipines, which is not > exactly the same as saying it was made there. > Assembled there imlies that the parts came from elsewhere, > perhaps Japan, which is not so cheap. Parts cost very little in the scheme of things, final assembly and testing are often a large part of the unit cost. > I read on the list a while back that the istD sensor costs > Pentax about 700 dollars per unit. > I was surprised to read that it was that expensive, but > since no one contradicted the number, I will accept that > the little bugger is expensive. I'd be extremely surprised if it cost Pentax 1/4 of that price as an OEM component, however we will never know as it would have been negotiated based on the planed production volumes and production span. > So, it the istD sells for less than a thousand US, I > expect that no, Pentax won't makhe their R&D back, and > probably there won't be enough profit in the supply chain > to make it worth selling. I bet they have plenty of room to move before it costs them and as soon as it does it will be at the dump stage just before the new release. I wonder which camera models paid for the development of the MZ-D? I wonder how they ever justified development of the *ist D after that debacle? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: *istD current best price $1349 US?
- Original Message - From: "Rob Studdert" Subject: Re: *istD current best price $1349 US? > On 6 Feb 2004 at 8:54, William Robb wrote: > > > Local retailers can deliver a Chinese made mains power drill for AU$19 (under > US$15) and make profit for the manufacturer, shipping firm, importer/customs > clearance firm, distributors and themselves. The *ist D is made in the > Philippines (as cheap as China) and you don't think they'd still be covering > all their manufacturing and development costs and making a killing selling it > for less than US$1000? I had one of those Chinese made drills, though I paid about C$25.00 for it back in July. I was going to use it for screwing the 3/4 inch OSB down to my floor joists, and by then I expected it would be dead, but I wasn't going to use my 100 dollar drill for this. I got less than half way into the job and the device literally caught fire in my hands. I won't ever buy another 25 dollar drill. Apparently, from what it says on the bottom of my istD, the product is assembled in the Phillipines, which is not exactly the same as saying it was made there. Assembled there imlies that the parts came from elsewhere, perhaps Japan, which is not so cheap. I read on the list a while back that the istD sensor costs Pentax about 700 dollars per unit. I was surprised to read that it was that expensive, but since no one contradicted the number, I will accept that the little bugger is expensive. So, it the istD sells for less than a thousand US, I expect that no, Pentax won't makhe their R&D back, and probably there won't be enough profit in the supply chain to make it worth selling. William Robb
RE: *istD current best price $1349 US?
Obviously, it's of no particular interest. From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: *istD current best price $1349 US? Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 15:38:41 -0600 Amazon.com is selling the *ist D for a few pennies less than $1270.00, if anyone is interested. Len * There's no place like 127.0.0.1 _ Get some great ideas here for your sweetheart on Valentine's Day - and beyond. http://special.msn.com/network/celebrateromance.armx
Re: *istD current best price $1349 US?
On 6 Feb 2004 at 8:54, William Robb wrote: > From the sounds of it, a reasonable price is one where > Pentax makes no money on the product, thereby ensuring > that they don't recover the R&D costs, therby ensuring > that they don't bother to make another one, since the > customer base is a bunch of cheapos who won't make it > worth their while. Local retailers can deliver a Chinese made mains power drill for AU$19 (under US$15) and make profit for the manufacturer, shipping firm, importer/customs clearance firm, distributors and themselves. The *ist D is made in the Philippines (as cheap as China) and you don't think they'd still be covering all their manufacturing and development costs and making a killing selling it for less than US$1000? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: *istD current best price $1349 US?
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Bruce Dayton wrote: > If you are 8-10 years away from buying what does it matter? Similarly, if you have already bought it, why does it matter? > As to the facts, Pentax reduced the Manufactures Suggested Retail > Price, not discounts from that. What discounters do with that is > certainly their business. I would expect them to sell for the highest > price they can. That would mean not initially passing the discount on > - in a sense, they already were. To conclude from that, if someone browses through the retailers looking for the one that passed more of the reduction to you and me (who don't need it, incidentally :-) should not upset people, should it? Kostas
RE: *istD current best price $1349 US?
Yeah, changing the MSRP only affects retailers selling at MSRP critically. What we don't know (presumably) is if they also changed the cost price for the camera to the shops? If not, then how/why would the retailer lower prices unless they werent offering the best deal already. In the UK IMO MSRP only affects the high street chains as they sell at this price because of who they are and only discount if you haggle. MSRP has no effect on internet/independant retailers because their price is based purely on what the goods cost them, their overhead and how much profit they can make without sales suffering. > -Original Message- > From: Bruce Dayton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 06 February 2004 17:26 > To: Kostas Kavoussanakis > Subject: Re: *istD current best price $1349 US? > > > Hello Kostas, > > If you are 8-10 years away from buying what does it matter? > > As to the facts, Pentax reduced the Manufactures Suggested > Retail Price, not discounts from that. What discounters do > with that is certainly their business. I would expect them > to sell for the highest price they can. That would mean not > initially passing the discount on > - in a sense, they already were. > > > -- > Best regards, > Bruce > > > Friday, February 6, 2004, 8:21:31 AM, you wrote: > > KK> On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Bruce Dayton wrote: > > >> What about the retailers that were already discounted below MSRP? > > KK> Aren't they all? > > >> Should they also drop their prices $300? Seems that they > would want > >> to sell as close to MSRP-300 as possible. This was the > case with my > >> local shop. > > KK> Again it's all relative, but let's compare like with like. This > KK> means, let's leave out the local shops and concentrate on > KK> Internet-based sales, as per the thread. > > >> While we all want low prices, the *istD is really targeted at the > >> Canon 10D/Nikon D100 crowd. The pricing shouldn't be that > different > >> from them. > > KK> Do C***n and N***n offer rebates? What is the point of a > rebate if > KK> the consumer cannot benefit? > > >> are buying within their system or buying the top names in > 35mm. They > >> will still buy a 300D or D70. All that happens is Pentax > loses money > >> and has a real problem pricing a real BabyD. > > KK> The discussion started with a fact and a question. > > KK> Fact: There is a rebate on the *istD. > KK> Question: Who sells it cheaper, as a result of the above? > > KK> The analysis that you are making about Pentax's situation sounds > KK> very plausible to me *but* this discussion started after the fact > KK> that Pentax reduced the price. > > >> If you want it, buy it! If you have followed the list, those who > >> have by and large report very positively about the experience and > >> use. > > KK> Ahem. I have not tried/no funds/no real need for the Z1-p > yet, let > KK> alone the MZ-S. I am probably 8-10 years away from the *istD. > > KK> Kostas > > > >
Re: *istD current best price $1349 US?
Hello Kostas, If you are 8-10 years away from buying what does it matter? As to the facts, Pentax reduced the Manufactures Suggested Retail Price, not discounts from that. What discounters do with that is certainly their business. I would expect them to sell for the highest price they can. That would mean not initially passing the discount on - in a sense, they already were. -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, February 6, 2004, 8:21:31 AM, you wrote: KK> On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, Bruce Dayton wrote: >> What about the retailers that were already discounted below MSRP? KK> Aren't they all? >> Should they also drop their prices $300? Seems that they would want >> to sell as close to MSRP-300 as possible. This was the case with my >> local shop. KK> Again it's all relative, but let's compare like with like. This means, KK> let's leave out the local shops and concentrate on Internet-based KK> sales, as per the thread. >> While we all want low prices, the *istD is really targeted at the >> Canon 10D/Nikon D100 crowd. The pricing shouldn't be that different >> from them. KK> Do C***n and N***n offer rebates? What is the point of a rebate if the KK> consumer cannot benefit? >> are buying within their system or buying the top names in 35mm. They >> will still buy a 300D or D70. All that happens is Pentax loses money >> and has a real problem pricing a real BabyD. KK> The discussion started with a fact and a question. KK> Fact: There is a rebate on the *istD. KK> Question: Who sells it cheaper, as a result of the above? KK> The analysis that you are making about Pentax's situation sounds very KK> plausible to me *but* this discussion started after the fact that KK> Pentax reduced the price. >> If you want it, buy it! If you have followed the list, those who have >> by and large report very positively about the experience and use. KK> Ahem. I have not tried/no funds/no real need for the Z1-p yet, let KK> alone the MZ-S. I am probably 8-10 years away from the *istD. KK> Kostas
RE: *istD current best price $1349 US?
> -Original Message- > From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 10:38 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: *istD current best price $1349 US? > ... > Why did this rub you the wrong way round? People were mostly > complaining about retailers (potentially) pocketing the rebate. > > Or so I thought. > That's what I think is happening. Adorama keeps bouncing the price between $1225 and $1359 (or thereabouts), and periodically citing a $100 Pentax rebate of which I was unaware. B&H's response has been to simply unhide their selling price, but didn't budge it. Reputable low-price camera dealers in the US seem to be a microcosm, and with such limited competition (not counting the Cambridge's, CCI's, and other bottom-feeders) competitive forces are slow to come into play. I guess the *ist D is selling well enough Adorama and B&H are going to enjoy a fatter margin for another week to two. Doesn't always happen that way though. Very soon (a day or so) after Rollei annouced a dramatic price drop on the AFM35 P&S, B&H dropped their price proportionally. Adorama followed suite within a day. Both sold out very quickly. The AFM35, exclusive of the post-price drop feeding frenzy, was probably a slow seller, however. Aric
Re: *istD current best price $1349 US?
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004, William Robb wrote: > From the sounds of it, a reasonable price is one where > Pentax makes no money on the product, Why did this rub you the wrong way round? People were mostly complaining about retailers (potentially) pocketing the rebate. Or so I thought. I guess it's all relative, but my understanding is that in all cases early adopters pay a premium (ie early prices are inflated) and people buying the old model may pay less than what the manufacturer hoped (but then the new model is out, so they don't care). Sure, there are other reasons why prices drop, and you may be right that Pentax may find themselves in a nasty position as a result of awkward competition. But not as a result of customers shopping around for the one product, I don't think. It will be a sad day for me when I succumb to retailer profiteering under normal market circumstances. Kostas
Re: *istD current best price $1349 US?
- Original Message - From: "mapson" Subject: Re: *istD current best price $1349 US? > So, what is the price that we are hoping to see? what would we consider to > be a reasonable price, that includes all the discounts, rebates, drops, > cuts and reductions? (Of course we all wait to see it drop below the > magical US$1000) ;-) >From the sounds of it, a reasonable price is one where Pentax makes no money on the product, thereby ensuring that they don't recover the R&D costs, therby ensuring that they don't bother to make another one, since the customer base is a bunch of cheapos who won't make it worth their while. William Robb
Re: *istD current best price $1349 US?
Try www.Adorama.com 1229.00. At 09:53 PM 2/4/04, you wrote: B&H Photo shows the *istD in stock at $1349 US. Is there a better price around? Does $1349 reflect the recent price reduction? I suddenly find myself in the market for a Pentax DLSR and there is only one to choose from... unless something is in the wings. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com I drink to make other people interesting. -- George Jean Nathan
Re: *istD current best price $1349 US?
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 22:43:23 -0500, you wrote: >> B&H Photo shows the *istD in stock at $1349 US. [snip] I >> suddenly find myself in the market for a Pentax DLSR and there is >> only one to choose from... unless something is in the wings. > >Don't hold your breath, John - . Besides, at $1349, you can >probably buy two of 'em when you unload your FA* 600/4, right? > > >Fred > Well, I decided to keep the 600/4. I had a serious buyer at a price not too bad, but after carefully considering his offer I declined. Just could not bear to part with it. So that's why I'm looking at the *istD, and it Pentax ever introduces another camera with an asterisk in the name I'm selling the whole kit no matter what. -- John Mustarde www.photolin.com
