Re: A bizarre ebay experience.

2004-01-16 Thread graywolf
Complaints? Through the exterior door on the 27th floor. You have until you hit 
the ground to explain your problem. Once they hit the ground, most folks find 
their problems solved.

--

Chris Brogden wrote:

They don't actually provide email addresses you can use.  You have to go
through their stupid menu systems, read their stupid help pages, and try
to find out which stupid links take you to a feedback form page and which
stupid links take you to yet more stupid help pages.


--
graywolf
http://graywolfphoto.com
"You might as well accept people as they are,
you are not going to be able to change them anyway."



Re: A bizarre ebay experience.

2004-01-15 Thread Paul Stenquist
I don't know where to send the e-mails. I've searched their site for any
kind of contact info but can't find it. I sent an e-mail to the address on
the end of auction notice, but I'll bet that's automatically generated by a
computer.

Jeff Jonsson wrote:

> You can relist, but you're still gonna owe them the listing fee and
> their cut on the purchase price. I'd send an two emails a day, and then
> 4 emails a day, and then an email an hour, etc. until I got a response.
> They need to clear it up for you.
>
> Jeff.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: A bizarre ebay experience.
>
> Yes, I filed a complaint with Safe Harbor. But thus far I haven't heard
> from anyone. I may just relist. The alleged buyer has not contacted me.
> Perhaps he only meant to place a first bid in order to track the
> auction.
>
> On Jan 14, 2004, at 6:42 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>
> > Bruce Dayton wrote:
> >>
> >> Did anyone notice a recent change in the look of ebay - specifically
> >> on the feedback page.  More usable and sortable for the feedback.
> >> I'm not quite sure when it went in to effect, but, changes like that
> >> could perhaps account for some odd problems elsewhere.  Obviously,
> >> programming changes have occurred.  Maybe Paul is a victim of Ebay
> >> bugs.
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >
> > YUp - feedback page change caused some errors
> > getting on and loading
> > today - very annoying... everytime they make
> > things better they get
> > worse.
> >
> > Paul, gosh - that sucks. but could be a hacker as
> > someone said.
> > Did you try contacting SAFE HARBOR?
> >
> > annsan
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 2:11:25 PM, you wrote:
> >>
> >> MWMK> My question may be:  Is there a hack in the ebay system that
> >> allows
> >> MWMK> "buyers" to trick ebay into thinking they won a BIN when it
> >> wasn't BIN?
> >>
> >> MWMK> Second question:  Did you examine the headers of the email to
> >> be sure
> >> MWMK> they came from ebay?
> >>
> >> MWMK> IL Bill
> >> MWMK> On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 04:00 PM, Paul Stenquist
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I'm the seller. And I'm scrupulous :-). My complaint is that ebay
> >>>> accepted a "buy it now" bid, and this was not a buy it now auction.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Rothman, Aric" wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> If you get no satisfaction, would you share the eBay ID of the
> >>>>> seller?
> >>>>> It's good to know from who to say away.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is a serious flaw in the feedback system at eBay.
> >>>>> Unscrupulous
> >>>>> sellers can hold you as a feedback "hostage."  That is to say,
> they
> >>>>> will
> >>>>> not supply feedback to a completed transaction until you do.  That
> >>>>> way,
> >>>>> they can retaliate with negative feedback if they swindle you and
> >>>>> you
> >>>>> leave negative feedback for them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One eBay seller (and sizeable brick and mortar dealer) is Zeff
> >>>>> Photo.
> >>>>>  Last time
> >>>>> I checked, they have 100% positive feedback.  They shouldn't.  I
> >>>>> purchased
> >>>>> a Bronica EC with lens from them, and paid immediately using a
> >>>>> method
> >>>>> they would
> >>>>> accept.  That should equate to immediate positive feedback for me.
>
> >>>>>  I
> >>>>> held
> >>>>> up my end of the transaction.  The camera and lens has several
> >>>>> immediately obvious
> >>>>> defects not disclosed, and it locked up after a few shutter
> >>>>> triggers.
> >>>>> I obtained return authorization and had it shipped back via FedEx.
>
> >>>>>  I
> >>>>> was
> >>>>> contacted a few days later and was informed the damage was due to
> >>>>> RETURN trip
> >>>>> to Zeff, and I would have to make a claim.  Since I am not a

RE: A bizarre ebay experience.

2004-01-15 Thread Jeff Jonsson
You can relist, but you're still gonna owe them the listing fee and
their cut on the purchase price. I'd send an two emails a day, and then
4 emails a day, and then an email an hour, etc. until I got a response.
They need to clear it up for you.

Jeff.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A bizarre ebay experience.


Yes, I filed a complaint with Safe Harbor. But thus far I haven't heard 
from anyone. I may just relist. The alleged buyer has not contacted me. 
Perhaps he only meant to place a first bid in order to track the 
auction.

On Jan 14, 2004, at 6:42 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> Bruce Dayton wrote:
>>
>> Did anyone notice a recent change in the look of ebay - specifically 
>> on the feedback page.  More usable and sortable for the feedback.  
>> I'm not quite sure when it went in to effect, but, changes like that 
>> could perhaps account for some odd problems elsewhere.  Obviously, 
>> programming changes have occurred.  Maybe Paul is a victim of Ebay 
>> bugs.
>>
>> Bruce
>
> YUp - feedback page change caused some errors
> getting on and loading
> today - very annoying... everytime they make
> things better they get
> worse.
>
> Paul, gosh - that sucks. but could be a hacker as
> someone said.
> Did you try contacting SAFE HARBOR?
>
> annsan
>
>
>>
>> Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 2:11:25 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> MWMK> My question may be:  Is there a hack in the ebay system that
>> allows
>> MWMK> "buyers" to trick ebay into thinking they won a BIN when it
>> wasn't BIN?
>>
>> MWMK> Second question:  Did you examine the headers of the email to
>> be sure
>> MWMK> they came from ebay?
>>
>> MWMK> IL Bill
>> MWMK> On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 04:00 PM, Paul Stenquist
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm the seller. And I'm scrupulous :-). My complaint is that ebay 
>>>> accepted a "buy it now" bid, and this was not a buy it now auction.
>>>>
>>>> "Rothman, Aric" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you get no satisfaction, would you share the eBay ID of the
>>>>> seller?
>>>>> It's good to know from who to say away.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a serious flaw in the feedback system at eBay.
>>>>> Unscrupulous
>>>>> sellers can hold you as a feedback "hostage."  That is to say,
they
>>>>> will
>>>>> not supply feedback to a completed transaction until you do.  That
>>>>> way,
>>>>> they can retaliate with negative feedback if they swindle you and 
>>>>> you
>>>>> leave negative feedback for them.
>>>>>
>>>>> One eBay seller (and sizeable brick and mortar dealer) is Zeff
>>>>> Photo.
>>>>>  Last time
>>>>> I checked, they have 100% positive feedback.  They shouldn't.  I
>>>>> purchased
>>>>> a Bronica EC with lens from them, and paid immediately using a 
>>>>> method
>>>>> they would
>>>>> accept.  That should equate to immediate positive feedback for me.

>>>>>  I
>>>>> held
>>>>> up my end of the transaction.  The camera and lens has several
>>>>> immediately obvious
>>>>> defects not disclosed, and it locked up after a few shutter 
>>>>> triggers.
>>>>> I obtained return authorization and had it shipped back via FedEx.

>>>>>  I
>>>>> was
>>>>> contacted a few days later and was informed the damage was due to
>>>>> RETURN trip
>>>>> to Zeff, and I would have to make a claim.  Since I am not aware
of
>>>>> any temporal
>>>>> anomalies in the vicinity which would cause damage manifest a few
>>>>> days earlier
>>>>> to have a cause several days later, I was skeptical, to say the 
>>>>> least.
>>>>>
>>>>> Long story short, I got a refund, but not for the significant 
>>>>> shipping charges accumulated during the whole ordeal.  Their eBay 
>>>>> guy told me I was "lucky" and he
>>>>> was "doing me a favor."  Some favor, to the tune of $45 lost to
>>>>> unnecessary shipping
>>>>> expense
>>>>>
>>>>> Zeff Photo has a good reputation,

Re: A bizarre ebay experience.

2004-01-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Bruce Dayton wrote:
> 
> Did anyone notice a recent change in the look of ebay - specifically
> on the feedback page.  More usable and sortable for the feedback.  I'm
> not quite sure when it went in to effect, but, changes like that could
> perhaps account for some odd problems elsewhere.  Obviously,
> programming changes have occurred.  Maybe Paul is a victim of Ebay
> bugs.
> 
> Bruce

YUp - feedback page change caused some errors
getting on and loading
today - very annoying... everytime they make
things better they get
worse. 

Paul, gosh - that sucks. but could be a hacker as
someone said.
Did you try contacting SAFE HARBOR?

annsan


> 
> Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 2:11:25 PM, you wrote:
> 
> MWMK> My question may be:  Is there a hack in the ebay system that allows
> MWMK> "buyers" to trick ebay into thinking they won a BIN when it wasn't BIN?
> 
> MWMK> Second question:  Did you examine the headers of the email to be sure
> MWMK> they came from ebay?
> 
> MWMK> IL Bill
> MWMK> On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 04:00 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
> >> I'm the seller. And I'm scrupulous :-). My complaint is that ebay
> >> accepted a "buy it
> >> now" bid, and this was not a buy it now auction.
> >>
> >> "Rothman, Aric" wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you get no satisfaction, would you share the eBay ID of the seller?
> >>> It's good to know from who to say away.
> >>>
> >>> There is a serious flaw in the feedback system at eBay.  Unscrupulous
> >>> sellers can hold you as a feedback "hostage."  That is to say, they
> >>> will
> >>> not supply feedback to a completed transaction until you do.  That
> >>> way,
> >>> they can retaliate with negative feedback if they swindle you and you
> >>> leave negative feedback for them.
> >>>
> >>> One eBay seller (and sizeable brick and mortar dealer) is Zeff Photo.
> >>>  Last time
> >>> I checked, they have 100% positive feedback.  They shouldn't.  I
> >>> purchased
> >>> a Bronica EC with lens from them, and paid immediately using a method
> >>> they would
> >>> accept.  That should equate to immediate positive feedback for me.  I
> >>> held
> >>> up my end of the transaction.  The camera and lens has several
> >>> immediately obvious
> >>> defects not disclosed, and it locked up after a few shutter triggers.
> >>> I obtained return authorization and had it shipped back via FedEx.  I
> >>> was
> >>> contacted a few days later and was informed the damage was due to
> >>> RETURN trip
> >>> to Zeff, and I would have to make a claim.  Since I am not aware of
> >>> any temporal
> >>> anomalies in the vicinity which would cause damage manifest a few
> >>> days earlier
> >>> to have a cause several days later, I was skeptical, to say the least.
> >>>
> >>> Long story short, I got a refund, but not for the significant
> >>> shipping charges
> >>> accumulated during the whole ordeal.  Their eBay guy told me I was
> >>> "lucky" and he
> >>> was "doing me a favor."  Some favor, to the tune of $45 lost to
> >>> unnecessary shipping
> >>> expense
> >>>
> >>> Zeff Photo has a good reputation, but the guy
> >>> who managed the eBay department did not give me a square deal, and he
> >>> engages in
> >>> this feedback withholding strategy I describe. I am in feedback limbo
> >>> with them.
> >>>
> >>> Aric
> >>>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:45 PM
>  To: pentax discuss
>  Subject: OT: A bizarre ebay experience.
> 
> 
>  I'm very POed at ebay. Among other items, I listed a Spotmatic Motor
>  Drive camera and 50mm lens on ebay the other night. I set a
>  first bid of
>  $375 and did not specifiy a buy it now price or a reserve.
>  Last night I
>  received a notice that the camera had been purchased on a buy
>  it now bid
>  by someone in Japan. I have tried replying to the ebay message to
>  indicate that there is some kind of mistake. I've filed a report with
>  their mediation service, and I've written the purported
>  buyer. All to no
>  avail. I've heard from no one, and my auction has been down for
>  almost
>  20 hours. What's more, a list member had hoped to purchase the camera
>  and had planned to bid on the last day. I don't know how to resolve
>  this.
> 
> >>



RE: A bizarre ebay experience.

2004-01-14 Thread Cotty
On 14/1/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:

>Zeff Photo has a good reputation, but the guy
>who managed the eBay department did not give me a square deal, and he
>engages in
>this feedback withholding strategy I describe. I am in feedback limbo
>with them.  

Simple. You can leave feedback on a completed auction for up to 90 days
after auction close. To the second. Get my drift?




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: A bizarre ebay experience.

2004-01-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Jan 14, 2004, at 5:11 PM, Mr. William M Kane wrote:

My question may be:  Is there a hack in the ebay system that allows  
"buyers" to trick ebay into thinking they won a BIN when it wasn't  
BIN?
I've been wondering the same thing.
Second question:  Did you examine the headers of the email to be sure  
they came from ebay?

Yes, it was the same end of auction letter I always get. And of course  
the auction post is marked as having ended. It's here:  
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
ViewItem&category=15240&item=2979572698
IL Bill
On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 04:00 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I'm the seller. And I'm scrupulous :-). My complaint is that ebay  
accepted a "buy it
now" bid, and this was not a buy it now auction.

"Rothman, Aric" wrote:

If you get no satisfaction, would you share the eBay ID of the  
seller?
It's good to know from who to say away.

There is a serious flaw in the feedback system at eBay.  Unscrupulous
sellers can hold you as a feedback "hostage."  That is to say, they  
will
not supply feedback to a completed transaction until you do.  That  
way,
they can retaliate with negative feedback if they swindle you and you
leave negative feedback for them.

One eBay seller (and sizeable brick and mortar dealer) is Zeff  
Photo.  Last time
I checked, they have 100% positive feedback.  They shouldn't.  I  
purchased
a Bronica EC with lens from them, and paid immediately using a  
method they would
accept.  That should equate to immediate positive feedback for me.   
I held
up my end of the transaction.  The camera and lens has several  
immediately obvious
defects not disclosed, and it locked up after a few shutter triggers.
I obtained return authorization and had it shipped back via FedEx.   
I was
contacted a few days later and was informed the damage was due to  
RETURN trip
to Zeff, and I would have to make a claim.  Since I am not aware of  
any temporal
anomalies in the vicinity which would cause damage manifest a few  
days earlier
to have a cause several days later, I was skeptical, to say the  
least.

Long story short, I got a refund, but not for the significant  
shipping charges
accumulated during the whole ordeal.  Their eBay guy told me I was  
"lucky" and he
was "doing me a favor."  Some favor, to the tune of $45 lost to  
unnecessary shipping
expense

Zeff Photo has a good reputation, but the guy
who managed the eBay department did not give me a square deal, and  
he engages in
this feedback withholding strategy I describe. I am in feedback  
limbo with them.

Aric

-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:45 PM
To: pentax discuss
Subject: OT: A bizarre ebay experience.
I'm very POed at ebay. Among other items, I listed a Spotmatic Motor
Drive camera and 50mm lens on ebay the other night. I set a
first bid of
$375 and did not specifiy a buy it now price or a reserve.
Last night I
received a notice that the camera had been purchased on a buy
it now bid
by someone in Japan. I have tried replying to the ebay message to
indicate that there is some kind of mistake. I've filed a report  
with
their mediation service, and I've written the purported
buyer. All to no
avail. I've heard from no one, and my auction has been down for  
almost
20 hours. What's more, a list member had hoped to purchase the  
camera
and had planned to bid on the last day. I don't know how to resolve
this.






Re: A bizarre ebay experience.

2004-01-14 Thread Mr. William M Kane
My question may be:  Is there a hack in the ebay system that allows 
"buyers" to trick ebay into thinking they won a BIN when it wasn't BIN?

Second question:  Did you examine the headers of the email to be sure 
they came from ebay?

IL Bill
On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 04:00 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I'm the seller. And I'm scrupulous :-). My complaint is that ebay 
accepted a "buy it
now" bid, and this was not a buy it now auction.

"Rothman, Aric" wrote:

If you get no satisfaction, would you share the eBay ID of the seller?
It's good to know from who to say away.
There is a serious flaw in the feedback system at eBay.  Unscrupulous
sellers can hold you as a feedback "hostage."  That is to say, they 
will
not supply feedback to a completed transaction until you do.  That 
way,
they can retaliate with negative feedback if they swindle you and you
leave negative feedback for them.

One eBay seller (and sizeable brick and mortar dealer) is Zeff Photo. 
 Last time
I checked, they have 100% positive feedback.  They shouldn't.  I 
purchased
a Bronica EC with lens from them, and paid immediately using a method 
they would
accept.  That should equate to immediate positive feedback for me.  I 
held
up my end of the transaction.  The camera and lens has several 
immediately obvious
defects not disclosed, and it locked up after a few shutter triggers.
I obtained return authorization and had it shipped back via FedEx.  I 
was
contacted a few days later and was informed the damage was due to 
RETURN trip
to Zeff, and I would have to make a claim.  Since I am not aware of 
any temporal
anomalies in the vicinity which would cause damage manifest a few 
days earlier
to have a cause several days later, I was skeptical, to say the least.

Long story short, I got a refund, but not for the significant 
shipping charges
accumulated during the whole ordeal.  Their eBay guy told me I was 
"lucky" and he
was "doing me a favor."  Some favor, to the tune of $45 lost to 
unnecessary shipping
expense

Zeff Photo has a good reputation, but the guy
who managed the eBay department did not give me a square deal, and he 
engages in
this feedback withholding strategy I describe. I am in feedback limbo 
with them.

Aric

-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:45 PM
To: pentax discuss
Subject: OT: A bizarre ebay experience.
I'm very POed at ebay. Among other items, I listed a Spotmatic Motor
Drive camera and 50mm lens on ebay the other night. I set a
first bid of
$375 and did not specifiy a buy it now price or a reserve.
Last night I
received a notice that the camera had been purchased on a buy
it now bid
by someone in Japan. I have tried replying to the ebay message to
indicate that there is some kind of mistake. I've filed a report with
their mediation service, and I've written the purported
buyer. All to no
avail. I've heard from no one, and my auction has been down for 
almost
20 hours. What's more, a list member had hoped to purchase the camera
and had planned to bid on the last day. I don't know how to resolve
this.





Re: A bizarre ebay experience.

2004-01-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm the seller. And I'm scrupulous :-). My complaint is that ebay accepted a "buy it
now" bid, and this was not a buy it now auction.

"Rothman, Aric" wrote:

> If you get no satisfaction, would you share the eBay ID of the seller?
> It's good to know from who to say away.
>
> There is a serious flaw in the feedback system at eBay.  Unscrupulous
> sellers can hold you as a feedback "hostage."  That is to say, they will
> not supply feedback to a completed transaction until you do.  That way,
> they can retaliate with negative feedback if they swindle you and you
> leave negative feedback for them.
>
> One eBay seller (and sizeable brick and mortar dealer) is Zeff Photo.  Last time
> I checked, they have 100% positive feedback.  They shouldn't.  I purchased
> a Bronica EC with lens from them, and paid immediately using a method they would
> accept.  That should equate to immediate positive feedback for me.  I held
> up my end of the transaction.  The camera and lens has several immediately obvious
> defects not disclosed, and it locked up after a few shutter triggers.
> I obtained return authorization and had it shipped back via FedEx.  I was
> contacted a few days later and was informed the damage was due to RETURN trip
> to Zeff, and I would have to make a claim.  Since I am not aware of any temporal
> anomalies in the vicinity which would cause damage manifest a few days earlier
> to have a cause several days later, I was skeptical, to say the least.
>
> Long story short, I got a refund, but not for the significant shipping charges
> accumulated during the whole ordeal.  Their eBay guy told me I was "lucky" and he
> was "doing me a favor."  Some favor, to the tune of $45 lost to unnecessary shipping
> expense
>
> Zeff Photo has a good reputation, but the guy
> who managed the eBay department did not give me a square deal, and he engages in
> this feedback withholding strategy I describe. I am in feedback limbo with them.
>
> Aric
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:45 PM
> > To: pentax discuss
> > Subject: OT: A bizarre ebay experience.
> >
> >
> > I'm very POed at ebay. Among other items, I listed a Spotmatic Motor
> > Drive camera and 50mm lens on ebay the other night. I set a
> > first bid of
> > $375 and did not specifiy a buy it now price or a reserve.
> > Last night I
> > received a notice that the camera had been purchased on a buy
> > it now bid
> > by someone in Japan. I have tried replying to the ebay message to
> > indicate that there is some kind of mistake. I've filed a report with
> > their mediation service, and I've written the purported
> > buyer. All to no
> > avail. I've heard from no one, and my auction has been down for almost
> > 20 hours. What's more, a list member had hoped to purchase the camera
> > and had planned to bid on the last day. I don't know how to resolve
> > this.
> >



RE: A bizarre ebay experience.

2004-01-14 Thread Rothman, Aric
OOPS!  Sorry, didn't read your posting very well the first time!

YOU were the seller...well, it still felt good to vent about Zeff.  Guess it's
good to remember that sellers can also make good faith mistakes.

Aric

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:45 PM
> To: pentax discuss
> Subject: OT: A bizarre ebay experience.
> 
> 
> I'm very POed at ebay. Among other items, I listed a Spotmatic Motor
> Drive camera and 50mm lens on ebay the other night. I set a 
> first bid of
> $375 and did not specifiy a buy it now price or a reserve. 
> Last night I
> received a notice that the camera had been purchased on a buy 
> it now bid
> by someone in Japan. I have tried replying to the ebay message to
> indicate that there is some kind of mistake. I've filed a report with
> their mediation service, and I've written the purported 
> buyer. All to no
> avail. I've heard from no one, and my auction has been down for almost
> 20 hours. What's more, a list member had hoped to purchase the camera
> and had planned to bid on the last day. I don't know how to resolve
> this.
> 



RE: A bizarre ebay experience.

2004-01-14 Thread Rothman, Aric
If you get no satisfaction, would you share the eBay ID of the seller?
It's good to know from who to say away.

There is a serious flaw in the feedback system at eBay.  Unscrupulous
sellers can hold you as a feedback "hostage."  That is to say, they will
not supply feedback to a completed transaction until you do.  That way,
they can retaliate with negative feedback if they swindle you and you
leave negative feedback for them.

One eBay seller (and sizeable brick and mortar dealer) is Zeff Photo.  Last time
I checked, they have 100% positive feedback.  They shouldn't.  I purchased
a Bronica EC with lens from them, and paid immediately using a method they would
accept.  That should equate to immediate positive feedback for me.  I held
up my end of the transaction.  The camera and lens has several immediately obvious
defects not disclosed, and it locked up after a few shutter triggers.
I obtained return authorization and had it shipped back via FedEx.  I was
contacted a few days later and was informed the damage was due to RETURN trip
to Zeff, and I would have to make a claim.  Since I am not aware of any temporal
anomalies in the vicinity which would cause damage manifest a few days earlier
to have a cause several days later, I was skeptical, to say the least.

Long story short, I got a refund, but not for the significant shipping charges
accumulated during the whole ordeal.  Their eBay guy told me I was "lucky" and he
was "doing me a favor."  Some favor, to the tune of $45 lost to unnecessary shipping
expense

Zeff Photo has a good reputation, but the guy
who managed the eBay department did not give me a square deal, and he engages in
this feedback withholding strategy I describe. I am in feedback limbo with them.  

Aric

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 3:45 PM
> To: pentax discuss
> Subject: OT: A bizarre ebay experience.
> 
> 
> I'm very POed at ebay. Among other items, I listed a Spotmatic Motor
> Drive camera and 50mm lens on ebay the other night. I set a 
> first bid of
> $375 and did not specifiy a buy it now price or a reserve. 
> Last night I
> received a notice that the camera had been purchased on a buy 
> it now bid
> by someone in Japan. I have tried replying to the ebay message to
> indicate that there is some kind of mistake. I've filed a report with
> their mediation service, and I've written the purported 
> buyer. All to no
> avail. I've heard from no one, and my auction has been down for almost
> 20 hours. What's more, a list member had hoped to purchase the camera
> and had planned to bid on the last day. I don't know how to resolve
> this.
>