Re: Back from Ukraine
G Now as to the difference between a traveler and a tourist? If G you are paying your own way you are a tourist, if someone else is G paying your way and you really would rather be home you are a G traveler GRIN. All other definitions are meer pretentions. Come on. Now you are pretentious yourself. Give us a little slack, and know, that for many, there is a big difference between a tourist and a traveller. I could say the Czech words but you wouldn't understand the slang - in English the words I used might take on a bit of a different meaning... Frantisek
Re: Back from Ukraine
On 9/6/05, Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ft So, which are you, fra, a normal traveller or a flashy tourist LOL? What do you expect? With the gaffa' taped Leica, of course just a flashy street shooter ;-) Frantisek I'm not well-read, so I don't drop book titles very often (not having read many of those things - books that is), but one of my faves is Under the Sheltering Sky by Paul Bowles (who was quite a photog, BTW, and had at least one book of photos published that I'm aware of). One of the characters (can't remember which) was quite adamant that (s)he was a traveller, and not a tourist, as they trekked about the Middle East/Northern Africa. Your comment reminded me of that book. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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Bertolucci made a great film of The Sheltering Sky, one of my all-time favourites. Paul Bowles has a cameo role at the end. And in fact I think I have his book of photos somewhere. I've met a lot of people who claim to be travellers, not tourists. I'm always happy to admit that I'm a tourist. I noticed a sign yesterday in a nearby pub window which said No travellers allowed in this pub - it's an attempt to keep gypsies out (and probably illegal). I'm sorely tempted to go in there dressed as a gypsy and tell them I'm a tourist, not a traveller. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 September 2005 13:17 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Back from Ukraine On 9/6/05, Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ft So, which are you, fra, a normal traveller or a flashy tourist LOL? What do you expect? With the gaffa' taped Leica, of course just a flashy street shooter ;-) Frantisek I'm not well-read, so I don't drop book titles very often (not having read many of those things - books that is), but one of my faves is Under the Sheltering Sky by Paul Bowles (who was quite a photog, BTW, and had at least one book of photos published that I'm aware of). One of the characters (can't remember which) was quite adamant that (s)he was a traveller, and not a tourist, as they trekked about the Middle East/Northern Africa. Your comment reminded me of that book. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On 9/7/05, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bertolucci made a great film of The Sheltering Sky, one of my all-time favourites. Paul Bowles has a cameo role at the end. And in fact I think I have his book of photos somewhere. I've met a lot of people who claim to be travellers, not tourists. I'm always happy to admit that I'm a tourist. I noticed a sign yesterday in a nearby pub window which said No travellers allowed in this pub - it's an attempt to keep gypsies out (and probably illegal). I'm sorely tempted to go in there dressed as a gypsy and tell them I'm a tourist, not a traveller. I love that movie!! One of the few Debra Winger roles I've enjoyed. And, of course, John Malkovitch... Anyway, I thought the movie really captured the spirit of the book. The book of photos that I was able to borrow was really a bunch of (mostly, IIRC) middle eastern snapshots. He was quite good. Quite the interesting fellow (as was his marriage to Jane Bowles). If you haven't read her short novel, Two Serious Ladies, you should. It's a hoot! (at least I thought so, my sister hated it, but what does she know). cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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On 7/9/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: dressed as a gypsy And exactly how does a gypsy dress mate ?? ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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dressed as a gypsy And exactly how does a gypsy dress mate ?? ;-) Don't you know anything? http://www.costumecraze.com/image.php?imagefile=images/vendors/pony/300418-l arge.jpg Read yer tealeaves, mister? Cheers, Gypsy Bobulengro
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On 7/9/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: dressed as a gypsy And exactly how does a gypsy dress mate ?? ;-) Don't you know anything? http://www.costumecraze.com/image.php?imagefile=images/vendors/pony/ 300418-large.jpg Read yer tealeaves, mister? Oh you little star. Thanks for brightening up my evening :-) Cotty Fury ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Over here in a pickup truck towing a travel trailer with a For Sale sign on it. You can buy the trailer for only 2 twice what it cost because of a family emergency and he needs the money to get home. Sometimes you come across those Gypsy fortune tellers who have only been at that location for three generations. In the old days here in the US the Romany and the Irish Horse Traders used to get into fights, each claiming they were the real travelers, although the Irish never admitted to being Gypseys. Come to think of it neither did the Romany... Now as to the difference between a traveler and a tourist? If you are paying your own way you are a tourist, if someone else is paying your way and you really would rather be home you are a traveler GRIN. All other definitions are meer pretentions. Strangely, as a guy who has always wanted to see what was around the next curve, or over the next hill, one to whom the trip was always more interesting than the destination, I have never called myself either one. Sigh! These days I do not have the energy to walk (really the best way to go), nor the money to go any other way... Sigh! graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Cotty wrote: On 7/9/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: dressed as a gypsy And exactly how does a gypsy dress mate ?? ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.19/92 - Release Date: 9/7/2005
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Kind of like a Pirate but flashier... Cotty wrote: On 7/9/05, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: dressed as a gypsy And exactly how does a gypsy dress mate ?? ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: Back from Ukraine
On 9/4/05, Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just got back today, as you may have guessed from the few replies I already posted :) With only one camera and 2/35mm lens, and lotsa film, so if I have any interesting photographs (I hope g) you will see some eventually. Overall, it was a great trip, and once you learn a bit Ukrainian and Russian, it is a nice country to hike around. Especially if you are a normal traveller, not a flashy tourist. So, which are you, fra, a normal traveller or a flashy tourist LOL? I haven't been catching up on news, and I will be doing several shoots next week, so just wanted to say hi, hope all is ok on the list, and see you later... Look forward to seeing some pix of the travels. Nice to see you back! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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ft So, which are you, fra, a normal traveller or a flashy tourist LOL? What do you expect? With the gaffa' taped Leica, of course just a flashy street shooter ;-) Frantisek
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Hi! I just got back today, as you may have guessed from the few replies I already posted :) With only one camera and 2/35mm lens, and lotsa film, so if I have any interesting photographs (I hope g) you will see some eventually. Overall, it was a great trip, and once you learn a bit Ukrainian and Russian, it is a nice country to hike around. Especially if you are a normal traveller, not a flashy tourist. S vozvrascheniem. I haven't been catching up on news, and I will be doing several shoots next week, so just wanted to say hi, hope all is ok on the list, and see you later... Do show us some photos. Boris
