Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D
- Original Message - From: "Cotty" Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > On 29/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: > > >It would be nice if the ist D had K mount compatability, but it doesn't > >matter so much. > >Theres lots of pictures out there that this camera will take, with the > >lenses I have. > >And it feels so damned good, it's hard to put down. > > I'm curious, Bill. Is this the first DSLR that you ever used properly? This is the first DSLR I have actually handled. I looked through the viewfinder of a tripod mounted Canon D60 at a friends wedding a while back, but didn't touch the thing. In fact, this is the first modern era camera that I have actually liked, film or otherwise. I was over at my buddy with the Rebel D's (EOS 300?) place today. Playing "I'll show you mine if you show me yours". The Canon is nice, in some respects nicer than the Pentax. I liked the cursor switch on it better than on the Pentax, and the card literally jumps out into your hand when you eject it. I think the Pentax is worth the extra money. It has a nicer finish, and I liked the fit in my hands better. The Pentax viewfinder is better, and the layout is better as well. William Robb
RE: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D
> -Original Message- > From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 29 September 2003 06:07 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > > Last week, I was fuming about > the loss of backwards compatability. This week, I couldn't > give a rats behind. The camera is lovely, I have lenses that > work on it, and all is right in my world. > > I'm serious Peter, pick one of these babies up and then tell > me if backwards compatability matters to you. > > I bet I sound like one of those people that just discovered > Jesus at a Promise Seekers convention. I know how you feel - I was really hung up about resolution loss compared to film and how it compared to other brand DSLRs, but when it became available I suddenly realised none of that mattered. I wanted a DSLR and I wanted to be able to use the lenses I spent a lot of time & money building up on it. Stats didn't matter because there was no alternative. Also, it is a nice camera to use. Doesn't quite fit like a glove the way the MZ-S does, and this is the biggest shame. Mind you I didn't like not having the aperture control on the body when I got the MZ-S after the MZ-30, but I got used to that and this will probably be similar. I struggle a bit to use the front wheel as it sits too far down to easily use my index finger and too far up for my middle finger. > I met a girl once. > She was pretty, but not the prettiest. > I can cook better than she can, but she puts a good meal on > the table. Sure, it would be nice if her tits were bigger, > but I like her fine, and I married her. Blimey - hope she doesn't read the list or your *istD could get 'dropped' next time she does the dusting! > It would be nice if the ist D had K mount compatability, but > it doesn't matter so much. Theres lots of pictures out there > that this camera will take, with the lenses I have. And it > feels so damned good, it's hard to put down. Ditto.
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Send a note to Cosina Voigtlander, Jim!Never know! Look what they're doing with rangefinders! http://www.cameraquest.com/voigtBR2.htm keith whaley Jim Apilado wrote: > > If I interpret what you wrote, the Pentax engineers in designing the *ist > and the D had a design accident that made older K and M lenses partially > incompatible? Mmm. I wonder if some independent digital camera maker > might capitalize on the Pentax error and create a body that would be fully > compatible with all K and M lenses and thereafter? I would be very > interested in such a product. > > Jim A. > > > From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:06:42 -0600 > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > > > > > > ----- Original Message - > > From: "Peter Alling" > > Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > > > >> That's not my point. If I'm going to have lenses that don't work properly > >> with my film SLR and lenses that won't work properly with my digital SLR > >> why would I even want them to have _almost_ compatible mounts. > > The almost compatability is, I am sure, accidental. > > I wonder how much complaining there would be if they had just released an > > entirely new lens mount, perhaps a downsized K mount with a short flange to > > film plane, which really would take advantage of the APS sized sensor? > > They could have put an adaptor on the market that would allow A series and > > later compatability, and everyone would have been so bamboozed by the > > brilliance of it that they wouldn't have noticed the loss of basic K mount > > compatability. > > Last week, I was fuming about the loss of backwards compatability. > > This week, I couldn't give a rats behind. > > The camera is lovely, I have lenses that work on it, and all is right in my > > world. > > > > I'm serious Peter, pick one of these babies up and then tell me if backwards > > compatability matters to you. > > > > I bet I sound like one of those people that just discovered Jesus at a > > Promise Seekers convention. > > > > I met a girl once. > > She was pretty, but not the prettiest. > > I can cook better than she can, but she puts a good meal on the table. > > Sure, it would be nice if her tits were bigger, but I like her fine, and I > > married her. > > > > It would be nice if the ist D had K mount compatability, but it doesn't > > matter so much. > > Theres lots of pictures out there that this camera will take, with the > > lenses I have. > > And it feels so damned good, it's hard to put down. > > > > William Robb > > > >
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On 29/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >It would be nice if the ist D had K mount compatability, but it doesn't >matter so much. >Theres lots of pictures out there that this camera will take, with the >lenses I have. >And it feels so damned good, it's hard to put down. I'm curious, Bill. Is this the first DSLR that you ever used properly? I can understand. But look at my situation: I picked it up a year ago, and it didn't say Pentax on it, and I was going through exactly what you are now. I had no choice. It was like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. I sold out with a grin on my face. I *had* to. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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If I interpret what you wrote, the Pentax engineers in designing the *ist and the D had a design accident that made older K and M lenses partially incompatible? Mmm. I wonder if some independent digital camera maker might capitalize on the Pentax error and create a body that would be fully compatible with all K and M lenses and thereafter? I would be very interested in such a product. Jim A. > From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:06:42 -0600 > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:06:51 -0400 > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Alling" > Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > > >> That's not my point. If I'm going to have lenses that don't work properly >> with my film SLR and lenses that won't work properly with my digital SLR > why >> would I even want them to have _almost_ compatible mounts. > > The almost compatability is, I am sure, accidental. > I wonder how much complaining there would be if they had just released an > entirely new lens mount, perhaps a downsized K mount with a short flange to > film plane, which really would take advantage of the APS sized sensor? > They could have put an adaptor on the market that would allow A series and > later compatability, and everyone would have been so bamboozed by the > brilliance of it that they wouldn't have noticed the loss of basic K mount > compatability. > Last week, I was fuming about the loss of backwards compatability. > This week, I couldn't give a rats behind. > The camera is lovely, I have lenses that work on it, and all is right in my > world. > > I'm serious Peter, pick one of these babies up and then tell me if backwards > compatability matters to you. > > I bet I sound like one of those people that just discovered Jesus at a > Promise Seekers convention. > > I met a girl once. > She was pretty, but not the prettiest. > I can cook better than she can, but she puts a good meal on the table. > Sure, it would be nice if her tits were bigger, but I like her fine, and I > married her. > > It would be nice if the ist D had K mount compatability, but it doesn't > matter so much. > Theres lots of pictures out there that this camera will take, with the > lenses I have. > And it feels so damned good, it's hard to put down. > > William Robb > >
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Sell all the Pentax stuff and start again. But then unless you go Olympus, the situation is pretty much the same with Canon & Nikon. I'm not particularly happy with any of the choices. Most aren't I guess, not until the 24x36mm sensors became available & affordable. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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Cossina/Voigtlander mnakes a small averaging meter that mounts on the hot shoe. I think it was originally intended for screwmount Leicas, but it's a great little meter. Very accurate, very small. About an inch high and an inch and a half square. I use it with my Leica all the time. You can find it on ebay for a hundred bucks or so. Paul Stenquist Bill Owens wrote: > > I guess my age is showing, but since I date back to the period when there > was no such thing as a meter in or on a camera, much less TTL metering, I > can't understand why so many here are complaining about having to use either > open aperture metering, or the even simpler method of using a separate hand > held meter. I have both a Minolta IIIF and a Gossen Digisix. The Digisix > offers an optional accessory to enable the meter to be used on the hot shoe. > You remember of course, the old selenium meters that offered the same > function. > > Bill > > - Original Message - > From: "Peter Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 6:30 PM > Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > > > You could always buy a Canon DSLR while keeping your current film > equipment. > > Then you wouldn't be able to accidently try to mount a digital lens on a > > film SLR. > > > > At 08:21 PM 9/28/03 +0100, you wrote: > > >This is exactly what I mean by backwards capability. > > > > > >For a long time I could use any k mount lens on any k mount body. The > > >introduction of teh crippled k mount stoped me using older lenses on new > > >bodies without significant compromises in metering capability. > > > > > >Now the introduction of these new lenses tailored for the smaller ccd > sensor > > >means that if I buy the new Pentax DA 80 -200 f/2.8 or whatever killer > lens > > >gets launched, then I can only use it on digital Pentax bodies and can't > put > > >it on my LX or MZ-S and get acceptable results. > > > > > >This gives me 3 choices:- > > > > > >Stick with my existing film based system and forget about digital because > > >most of my current lenses won't work on a digital body and any new DA > lenses > > >won't work on my film based cameras. > > > > > >Buy a second digital Pentax system to go along with my currrent stuff and > > >accept the compatability issues, so I can only use some lenses with some > > >bodies. > > > > > >Sell all the Pentax stuff and start again. > > > > > >I'm not particularly happy with any of the choices. > > > > > >Peter > > > > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 4:52 PM > > >Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Peter Jordan" > > > > Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > > > > > > > > > > > > > It says in the press release, "The image circle in the DA-series > lenses > > >is > > > > > designed to perfectly match the size of the CCD (23.5mm x 15.7mm) > > > > > incorporated in PENTAX's digital SLRs, optimizing the performance of > > >these > > > > > cameras." > > > > > > > > > > My reading of that means that the image circle will be smaler than > the > > > > > dimensions of 35mm film, meaning that they can't be used on film > > >bodies. > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing something here or is this the end of backwards > > >compatibility? > > > > > > > > It means that the DA lenses won't be usable on film cameras, unless > you > > > > don't mind some vignetting. > > > > In some respects, it makes sense to have lenses specifically for the > > >digital > > > > format, in others it doesn't. From a design POV, they can make quality > > > > lenses cheaper for the smaller image circle, since it is easier to > make a > > > > good lens with a smaller circle. > > > > Thats why lenses like the FA77mm only cost a thousand dollars, while a > > > > Rodenstock 210mm of similar quality for 4x5 costs a few grand. > > > > I can't see the lenses being any smaller, since they are still K mount > > > > lenses, and there are size restrictions based on that. > > > > > > > > William Robb > > > > > > > > I drink to make other people interesting. > > -- George Jean Nathan > >
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On 28 Sep 2003 at 15:36, William Robb wrote: > I can't remember the > last time I was this excited about a camera. I think you will find that all the > manufacturers are going to be making semi compatable lens lines. Digital is a > different format. For those of us that have now owned fairly competent digicams for some time and understand their potential uses and limitations. IOW the honeymoon is over for some of us. I am looking for a work-horse not a toy to play, a digicam that will integrate well with my existing Pentax film equipment hence my apparent disappointment. > Right now, it is using lenses from a bigger format, which is > fine, but really, lenses dedicated to digital should be better for digital. I > can't see Pentax dropping lenses for film cameras anytime soon, though dropping > aperture rings does disturb me greatly. Camerons post said it well "Pentax's lack of vision in their overall design concepts", not encouraging. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D
I guess my age is showing, but since I date back to the period when there was no such thing as a meter in or on a camera, much less TTL metering, I can't understand why so many here are complaining about having to use either open aperture metering, or the even simpler method of using a separate hand held meter. I have both a Minolta IIIF and a Gossen Digisix. The Digisix offers an optional accessory to enable the meter to be used on the hot shoe. You remember of course, the old selenium meters that offered the same function. Bill - Original Message - From: "Peter Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > You could always buy a Canon DSLR while keeping your current film equipment. > Then you wouldn't be able to accidently try to mount a digital lens on a > film SLR. > > At 08:21 PM 9/28/03 +0100, you wrote: > >This is exactly what I mean by backwards capability. > > > >For a long time I could use any k mount lens on any k mount body. The > >introduction of teh crippled k mount stoped me using older lenses on new > >bodies without significant compromises in metering capability. > > > >Now the introduction of these new lenses tailored for the smaller ccd sensor > >means that if I buy the new Pentax DA 80 -200 f/2.8 or whatever killer lens > >gets launched, then I can only use it on digital Pentax bodies and can't put > >it on my LX or MZ-S and get acceptable results. > > > >This gives me 3 choices:- > > > >Stick with my existing film based system and forget about digital because > >most of my current lenses won't work on a digital body and any new DA lenses > >won't work on my film based cameras. > > > >Buy a second digital Pentax system to go along with my currrent stuff and > >accept the compatability issues, so I can only use some lenses with some > >bodies. > > > >Sell all the Pentax stuff and start again. > > > >I'm not particularly happy with any of the choices. > > > >Peter > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 4:52 PM > >Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Peter Jordan" > > > Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > > > > > > > > > > It says in the press release, "The image circle in the DA-series lenses > >is > > > > designed to perfectly match the size of the CCD (23.5mm x 15.7mm) > > > > incorporated in PENTAX's digital SLRs, optimizing the performance of > >these > > > > cameras." > > > > > > > > My reading of that means that the image circle will be smaler than the > > > > dimensions of 35mm film, meaning that they can't be used on film > >bodies. > > > > > > > > Am I missing something here or is this the end of backwards > >compatibility? > > > > > > It means that the DA lenses won't be usable on film cameras, unless you > > > don't mind some vignetting. > > > In some respects, it makes sense to have lenses specifically for the > >digital > > > format, in others it doesn't. From a design POV, they can make quality > > > lenses cheaper for the smaller image circle, since it is easier to make a > > > good lens with a smaller circle. > > > Thats why lenses like the FA77mm only cost a thousand dollars, while a > > > Rodenstock 210mm of similar quality for 4x5 costs a few grand. > > > I can't see the lenses being any smaller, since they are still K mount > > > lenses, and there are size restrictions based on that. > > > > > > William Robb > > > > > I drink to make other people interesting. > -- George Jean Nathan >
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You could always buy a Canon DSLR while keeping your current film equipment. Then you wouldn't be able to accidently try to mount a digital lens on a film SLR. At 08:21 PM 9/28/03 +0100, you wrote: This is exactly what I mean by backwards capability. For a long time I could use any k mount lens on any k mount body. The introduction of teh crippled k mount stoped me using older lenses on new bodies without significant compromises in metering capability. Now the introduction of these new lenses tailored for the smaller ccd sensor means that if I buy the new Pentax DA 80 -200 f/2.8 or whatever killer lens gets launched, then I can only use it on digital Pentax bodies and can't put it on my LX or MZ-S and get acceptable results. This gives me 3 choices:- Stick with my existing film based system and forget about digital because most of my current lenses won't work on a digital body and any new DA lenses won't work on my film based cameras. Buy a second digital Pentax system to go along with my currrent stuff and accept the compatability issues, so I can only use some lenses with some bodies. Sell all the Pentax stuff and start again. I'm not particularly happy with any of the choices. Peter - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Jordan" > Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > > > > It says in the press release, "The image circle in the DA-series lenses is > > designed to perfectly match the size of the CCD (23.5mm x 15.7mm) > > incorporated in PENTAX's digital SLRs, optimizing the performance of these > > cameras." > > > > My reading of that means that the image circle will be smaler than the > > dimensions of 35mm film, meaning that they can't be used on film bodies. > > > > Am I missing something here or is this the end of backwards compatibility? > > It means that the DA lenses won't be usable on film cameras, unless you > don't mind some vignetting. > In some respects, it makes sense to have lenses specifically for the digital > format, in others it doesn't. From a design POV, they can make quality > lenses cheaper for the smaller image circle, since it is easier to make a > good lens with a smaller circle. > Thats why lenses like the FA77mm only cost a thousand dollars, while a > Rodenstock 210mm of similar quality for 4x5 costs a few grand. > I can't see the lenses being any smaller, since they are still K mount > lenses, and there are size restrictions based on that. > > William Robb > I drink to make other people interesting. -- George Jean Nathan
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>I can't remember the last time I was this excited about a camera. >William Robb You know, William, the fact that *you* said that makes me think it must have a lot to offer. Marnie aka Doe :-)
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That's how I felt when I first handled the Digital Rebel. There's something about DSLRs that is just so freaking FUN. It would take a lot to make me sell my LX kit, but I could see myself using a DSLR for everday shots and MedF for the good stuff. Matter of fact, I expect to be doing that within 7-8 years, when I won't be feeling guilty about trading a hulluva LX kit for a DSLR. chris On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, William Robb wrote: > I can't remember the last time I was this excited about a camera.
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Since the other systems are doing the same thing, what is the advantage in changing? Let's every A, F, FA, FAJ series lenses maintain full compatibity. M42, K, and M will work with limitations. Try using a FD lens on a Canon 1D. Try using a AIS or earlier lens on a D100. Hum..? Most Pentax lens made in the last 20 years work fine. If you were talking about a car, or a computer you wouldn't expect 20 year old stuff to work on a new one. Most folks consider anything 20 or more years old an antique. We sure are spoiled. Peter Jordan wrote: This is exactly what I mean by backwards capability. For a long time I could use any k mount lens on any k mount body. The introduction of teh crippled k mount stoped me using older lenses on new bodies without significant compromises in metering capability. Now the introduction of these new lenses tailored for the smaller ccd sensor means that if I buy the new Pentax DA 80 -200 f/2.8 or whatever killer lens gets launched, then I can only use it on digital Pentax bodies and can't put it on my LX or MZ-S and get acceptable results. This gives me 3 choices:- Stick with my existing film based system and forget about digital because most of my current lenses won't work on a digital body and any new DA lenses won't work on my film based cameras. Buy a second digital Pentax system to go along with my currrent stuff and accept the compatability issues, so I can only use some lenses with some bodies. Sell all the Pentax stuff and start again. I'm not particularly happy with any of the choices. Peter - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D - Original Message ----- From: "Peter Jordan" Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D It says in the press release, "The image circle in the DA-series lenses is designed to perfectly match the size of the CCD (23.5mm x 15.7mm) incorporated in PENTAX's digital SLRs, optimizing the performance of these cameras." My reading of that means that the image circle will be smaler than the dimensions of 35mm film, meaning that they can't be used on film bodies. Am I missing something here or is this the end of backwards compatibility? It means that the DA lenses won't be usable on film cameras, unless you don't mind some vignetting. In some respects, it makes sense to have lenses specifically for the digital format, in others it doesn't. From a design POV, they can make quality lenses cheaper for the smaller image circle, since it is easier to make a good lens with a smaller circle. Thats why lenses like the FA77mm only cost a thousand dollars, while a Rodenstock 210mm of similar quality for 4x5 costs a few grand. I can't see the lenses being any smaller, since they are still K mount lenses, and there are size restrictions based on that. William Robb
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This is exactly what I mean by backwards capability. For a long time I could use any k mount lens on any k mount body. The introduction of teh crippled k mount stoped me using older lenses on new bodies without significant compromises in metering capability. Now the introduction of these new lenses tailored for the smaller ccd sensor means that if I buy the new Pentax DA 80 -200 f/2.8 or whatever killer lens gets launched, then I can only use it on digital Pentax bodies and can't put it on my LX or MZ-S and get acceptable results. This gives me 3 choices:- Stick with my existing film based system and forget about digital because most of my current lenses won't work on a digital body and any new DA lenses won't work on my film based cameras. Buy a second digital Pentax system to go along with my currrent stuff and accept the compatability issues, so I can only use some lenses with some bodies. Sell all the Pentax stuff and start again. I'm not particularly happy with any of the choices. Peter - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > > - Original Message - > From: "Peter Jordan" > Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > > > > It says in the press release, "The image circle in the DA-series lenses is > > designed to perfectly match the size of the CCD (23.5mm x 15.7mm) > > incorporated in PENTAX's digital SLRs, optimizing the performance of these > > cameras." > > > > My reading of that means that the image circle will be smaler than the > > dimensions of 35mm film, meaning that they can't be used on film bodies. > > > > Am I missing something here or is this the end of backwards compatibility? > > It means that the DA lenses won't be usable on film cameras, unless you > don't mind some vignetting. > In some respects, it makes sense to have lenses specifically for the digital > format, in others it doesn't. From a design POV, they can make quality > lenses cheaper for the smaller image circle, since it is easier to make a > good lens with a smaller circle. > Thats why lenses like the FA77mm only cost a thousand dollars, while a > Rodenstock 210mm of similar quality for 4x5 costs a few grand. > I can't see the lenses being any smaller, since they are still K mount > lenses, and there are size restrictions based on that. > > William Robb >
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- Original Message - From: "Peter Jordan" Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > It says in the press release, "The image circle in the DA-series lenses is > designed to perfectly match the size of the CCD (23.5mm x 15.7mm) > incorporated in PENTAX's digital SLRs, optimizing the performance of these > cameras." > > My reading of that means that the image circle will be smaler than the > dimensions of 35mm film, meaning that they can't be used on film bodies. > > Am I missing something here or is this the end of backwards compatibility? It means that the DA lenses won't be usable on film cameras, unless you don't mind some vignetting. In some respects, it makes sense to have lenses specifically for the digital format, in others it doesn't. From a design POV, they can make quality lenses cheaper for the smaller image circle, since it is easier to make a good lens with a smaller circle. Thats why lenses like the FA77mm only cost a thousand dollars, while a Rodenstock 210mm of similar quality for 4x5 costs a few grand. I can't see the lenses being any smaller, since they are still K mount lenses, and there are size restrictions based on that. William Robb
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Not the end of backwards compatibility, just lenses designed for use with 6 Mp digital SLR's Bill - Original Message - From: "Peter Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > It says in the press release, "The image circle in the DA-series lenses is > designed to perfectly match the size of the CCD (23.5mm x 15.7mm) > incorporated in PENTAX's digital SLRs, optimizing the performance of these > cameras." > > My reading of that means that the image circle will be smaler than the > dimensions of 35mm film, meaning that they can't be used on film bodies. > > Am I missing something here or is this the end of backwards compatibility? > > Peter > > > - Original Message - > From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:58 PM > Subject: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > > > > Pentax.co.uk is back up. > > > > "Pentax officially launched its highly anticipated *ist D digital SLR at > > Sandown races on the 29th August 2003. A number of the UK's leading > > photographic editors attended the launch and put the *ist D through its > > paces (although time was also taken by many to have a flutter or two on > > the series of Pentax sponsored races that took place on the day!). > > > > The *ist D was received warmly by all those attending, with many > > pointing to a number of key features that truly distinguishes it from > > its competitors. Housed in the world's smallest, lightest SLR body, the > > *ist D comes equipped with an array of advanced functions and > > use-friendly features. These include: a large CCD with an impressive 6.1 > > effective megapixels; a responsive SAFOX VIII autofocus system with > > 11-point AF sensor; a 16-segment multi-pattern metering system; a bright > > viewfinder with a newly developed compact glass pentaprism; and, > > significantly, compatibility with Pentax's existing 35mm-format > > interchangeable lenses and accessories." > > > > So why the hell can I only find a hands on in an obscure digital > > photography mag, but no mention anywhere of this day? > > > > Also press release on new DA lens SERIES!! > > > > "PENTAX Corporation is proud to announce that it is currently in the > > final stage of development of the compact, high-performance smc > > PENTAX-DA series of interchangeable lenses, exclusively designed for use > > with PENTAX digital SLR cameras." > > > > > sounds like quite a few new DA lenses... > > > > "The image circle in the DA-series lenses is designed to perfectly match > > the size of the CCD (23.5mm x 15.7mm) incorporated in PENTAX's digital > > SLRs, optimizing the performance of these cameras. The new design also > > contributes to a drastic reduction in size, weight and production cost, > > compared to 35mm-format counterparts with similar specifications." > > > > > So more than one DSLR using the small sensor is confirmed - sounds > > like they will all use this size for now... > > > > "As the first model of the new DA series, PENTAX plans to market the smc > > PENTAX-DA Zoom 16mm~45mm F4 ED AL (tentative name, equivalent to > > 24.5mm~69mm in the 35mm format; marketing date to be announced), which > > features a three-times zoom ratio with focal lengths covering ultra-wide > > to moderate-telephoto ranges when mounted on the new PENTAX *ist D > > digital SLR camera. It also incorporates an Extra-low Dispersion (ED) > > glass lens element and two aspherical lens elements for true-to-life > > image reproduction and size reduction. > > > > Its simple, functional design, coupled with the elimination of an > > aperture ring, considerably improves the camera's operability." > > > > So the elimination of the aperture lens actually improves operation? > > Sounds like it would be hard to justify why more expensive glass doesn't > > take advantage of this 'improved operability', so higher end glass > > without the aperture ring in the future? Or is this just a marketing > > person talking through their rear end. > > > > I expect much more cursing and swearing at Pentax over the next 6-12 > > months!! > > > >
Re: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D
It says in the press release, "The image circle in the DA-series lenses is designed to perfectly match the size of the CCD (23.5mm x 15.7mm) incorporated in PENTAX's digital SLRs, optimizing the performance of these cameras." My reading of that means that the image circle will be smaler than the dimensions of 35mm film, meaning that they can't be used on film bodies. Am I missing something here or is this the end of backwards compatibility? Peter - Original Message - From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:58 PM Subject: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D > Pentax.co.uk is back up. > > "Pentax officially launched its highly anticipated *ist D digital SLR at > Sandown races on the 29th August 2003. A number of the UK's leading > photographic editors attended the launch and put the *ist D through its > paces (although time was also taken by many to have a flutter or two on > the series of Pentax sponsored races that took place on the day!). > > The *ist D was received warmly by all those attending, with many > pointing to a number of key features that truly distinguishes it from > its competitors. Housed in the world's smallest, lightest SLR body, the > *ist D comes equipped with an array of advanced functions and > use-friendly features. These include: a large CCD with an impressive 6.1 > effective megapixels; a responsive SAFOX VIII autofocus system with > 11-point AF sensor; a 16-segment multi-pattern metering system; a bright > viewfinder with a newly developed compact glass pentaprism; and, > significantly, compatibility with Pentax's existing 35mm-format > interchangeable lenses and accessories." > > So why the hell can I only find a hands on in an obscure digital > photography mag, but no mention anywhere of this day? > > Also press release on new DA lens SERIES!! > > "PENTAX Corporation is proud to announce that it is currently in the > final stage of development of the compact, high-performance smc > PENTAX-DA series of interchangeable lenses, exclusively designed for use > with PENTAX digital SLR cameras." > > > sounds like quite a few new DA lenses... > > "The image circle in the DA-series lenses is designed to perfectly match > the size of the CCD (23.5mm x 15.7mm) incorporated in PENTAX's digital > SLRs, optimizing the performance of these cameras. The new design also > contributes to a drastic reduction in size, weight and production cost, > compared to 35mm-format counterparts with similar specifications." > > > So more than one DSLR using the small sensor is confirmed - sounds > like they will all use this size for now... > > "As the first model of the new DA series, PENTAX plans to market the smc > PENTAX-DA Zoom 16mm~45mm F4 ED AL (tentative name, equivalent to > 24.5mm~69mm in the 35mm format; marketing date to be announced), which > features a three-times zoom ratio with focal lengths covering ultra-wide > to moderate-telephoto ranges when mounted on the new PENTAX *ist D > digital SLR camera. It also incorporates an Extra-low Dispersion (ED) > glass lens element and two aspherical lens elements for true-to-life > image reproduction and size reduction. > > Its simple, functional design, coupled with the elimination of an > aperture ring, considerably improves the camera's operability." > > So the elimination of the aperture lens actually improves operation? > Sounds like it would be hard to justify why more expensive glass doesn't > take advantage of this 'improved operability', so higher end glass > without the aperture ring in the future? Or is this just a marketing > person talking through their rear end. > > I expect much more cursing and swearing at Pentax over the next 6-12 > months!! >
RE: Introducing the remarkable new Pentax *Ist D
On 25 Sep 2003 at 19:18, Paul Ewins wrote: > Why? Which system do you think will retain aperture rings? Or is it the > DA lenses that worry you - as the Canon and Nikon equivalents probably > worry their users. If I have to make the choice between systems without aperture rings (which it looks like will be the case) it sure isn't going to be Pentax, not at this rate. If they'd let us know of their true intents earlier I could have made a rational decision and I could have sold my glass and bought new kit with little loss. There's no way to soften the blow now that the relationship between the AUD and USD is changing rapidly. (Let alone the very apparent depression in the second hand prices of Pentax glass) Bottom line I don't wish to be using film in small format cameras, I need ultra- wide angle lenses. I'm not going to invest in more Pentax glass and a DSLR with crippled mount to get where I need to go. Couldn't be more basic. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Pentax published: > "Its simple, functional design, coupled with the elimination of an > aperture ring, considerably improves the camera's operability." Rob wrote: RB> So the elimination of the aperture lens actually improves operation? Yeah, along this line we can expect the next step to be the elimination of focus ring. After all, who cares anymore to adjust focus within a range of just 30 degrees!? Besides, the external focus ring only interferes with normal autofocus operation, lenses can be better built without it, will be better sealed, and of course cheaper. And for that manual focus breed closing to extinction anyway, the top of the line Pentax body will offer an additional two buttons control for precise focus adjustment... :oT Servus, Alin
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On 24 Sep 2003 at 17:58, Rob Brigham wrote: > I expect much more cursing and swearing at Pentax over the next 6-12 > months!! ..after I finish kicking myself for not jumping ship sooner :-( Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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On 24/9/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >So why the hell can I only find a hands on in an obscure digital >photography mag, but no mention anywhere of this day? AP are reviewing this week and will publish this coming Saturday. I'll precis when it arrives. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
